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May 6, 2022

Ep.178 w/Actor Dwier Brown from Field of Dreams

Ep.178 w/Actor Dwier Brown from Field of Dreams

Actor Dwier Brown(John Kinsella from Field of Dreams) joins us to tell us some secrets from the iconic movie, why the catch scene took 2 weeks to shoot & the difficulty doing it after his own Father passed one month prior, how the cars driving up...

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Actor Dwier Brown(John Kinsella from Field of Dreams) joins us to tell us some secrets from the iconic movie, why the catch scene took 2 weeks to shoot & the difficulty doing it after his own Father passed one month prior, how the cars driving up scene happened without CGI and how Kevin Costner almost died. All that - more!

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What is up? Everybody? Another Friday and another sports car Nation. On the docket for today? I am pretty excited, usually a, but definitely excited for this week's show got some good news, headed to the Dallas card. Show the weekend of May 20th 21st, 22nd did not look like I was going to be able to make the trip. And thanks to my good friend, John Keane, that 70s card show and some expiring frequent flyer miles that he let me use. And I'm going to make my way back down to Dallas. I did this last year about the same time and went to dr. Beckett's contact, Cree Creator, dinner doing the same is this year and obviously the card show itself. Well, 

I'll be on the hunt for that card. I mentioned that I put some money away for that. Being the 1948. Leave. Jackie Robinson in a low great condition obviously, and I also want to thank my friend, Brad Brazil, Texas car dude, stayed with him last year and is made that same offer this year as well. So, looking forward to the trip and Friday, Saturday and Sunday leaving early. Early Friday and returning late on Sunday. So they're going to be a full three days and looking forward to seeing everybody, you know, a lot of people in the Dallas area and too many even that the name looking forward to seeing John Keating there, obviously, Brad, and and dr. Becky Rich Kline, and if I didn't name it, Eric nor and you know, Jeff Hoffer Mike Moynihan. Those Dallas Brethren Texas, folks. Oh, great, folks. I look forward, you know, as I figured, I'd see him at the national but get to see him an extra time here with this Dallas, trip to might get some other things in there. To get the NBA playoffs of the Mavericks are still alive. And ho, maybe catch. Pass away a Mavericks playoff game. You got the Dallas Stars. 

They're Stanley Cup run. Maybe catch, you know, Stanley Cup game. And then you get the Rangers are out of town that I know. So don't know Ranger game. But Frisco RoughRiders there, that believe w, a team of the Texas Rangers, have a lot of star power there as well. So I always like to, you know, take in some sports, when I travel probably do some recording. I do have some new recording equipment for, Specifically for road trips Road, Mike, and that sort of thing. So maybe they'll make did The View on this trip rather than the national will be making the trip with me. So I'll put them to use in some form of fashion. But if you're going and I love the meet you. So, you know, find me I'll be the ugly guy walking around easy to spot but all joking aside looking forward to the trip hanging out. 

Good friends. Eat some barbecue. Can't, you know, I'm a foodie. I got the belly to approve it and look forward to doing some, some grub in Texas style as well. But if you're going to the show Dallas card show may think it's 19th. The 22nd love to meet you, but I haven't already and if I have already love to see you again and talk hobby or talk, whatever, you know, on the dock itself. I just wanted to point that out. And so I do. Expecting, you know, it's kind of not looking good when I was trying to get are fair and even the times of the flights were really not convenient, but no good friends in the hobby. Right? To have used to people and good friend Jack eating for a tune, you know, come through in the clutch and I'm going to be able to make this trip and excited to say the least. So there's that excited for this show today. We got now. Not really, you know, someone from the hobby directly. We're going to talk a little bit about cars at the front end of the interview. Well, but it's someone most of us do know nonetheless from one of the best. If not the best baseball movie ever made feel the dreams actor Dwyer brown. John, kinsella, right? When I want to have a catch, daddy, played Kevin Costner dad in the role that scene, which obviously takes. 

Place towards the end of the film. Gets me everytime. I cry like a little baby. I'm not afraid to admit this on a national nationally, listen podcast, and it doesn't matter how many times I see. It could be the 40th time or the 50th time eyeball. And just reminds me, you know, my grandfather who pretty much, you know, practice with me baseball and passed away when I was I was 12 and after, you know, at that point, I'd become a pretty good baseball player and think about them, you know, not just that on that scene, but definitely that scene really makes me think about him and others that I've lost in my life and really hits me in the fields as the kids say and just a clay, you know, one of the most iconic scenes from any movie is that scene, you know, when Costner realizes who he is. 

And you know, since a dad, you know, you want to play catch and they do and then all the cars come in, but we're going anywhere to talk about that movie. We're going to talk about, you know, in a sense of how Dwyer Brown sort of become everybody's dad or uncle or grandfather in that scene and it's a responsibility. He takes seriously and like here you're going to hear him say that scene gets to him too and he's in it and it still When he watches it, it really hits home. He lost his father, one month prior to making itself. And that was a factor in something that I want to tell everything, what he's going to tell you some things that I don't care how big of a fan of the movie are. Even like, I am that, I didn't know. And you won't know until you hear you hear from, you know, about the corn, even his little details. 

The corn to that scene, where all the lights coming up the road. All the cars coming this movie was done in 1989 before the CGI we have now those are all real cars and you're going to talk about how had seen how they did it. It was done in a special way and how it almost didn't get in the film. There was some some issues there, you know, so he's got a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff. You may not know even if you're a super fan. In of the movie, it was a great interview. You know, I enjoy all my interviews that I truly do. I'm not just saying that but this one, you know, because of what the movie means to me and how I kind of get is and they have someone like the wire give some time, come on the show and kind of, let us behind that curtain and share some stuff that, you know, only people would know like, someone from the movie, kind of tell them. There's a 

The stuff he goes over. I think you're gonna find it. Very interesting. I know I did for sure one quick programming. No, it's not terrible at all. And I even had cleaned it up a little bit. Do I was having some construction done around his house during the time of the interview. He was also leaving on a 10-day trip. So I didn't want to reschedule wanted to get the interview done. So you may hear in the background, you know, beeping or You know, Machinery, sort of sounds doesn't take anything doesn't block out and it'll vocals or anything like that. But if you're wondering when you hear a beep or, you know, some sort of noise, it's he's having some construction done at as house. And so it's not too bad. I'm probably making it out worsen as but just just so you're aware. What what? That might be. So with that being said, let's get this show going. 

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All right. My next guest is an actor and author. He's appeared in TV shows from how CSI, Criminal Minds Rizzoli & Isles. Ally McBeal movie. Such as delivered died in l.a. Cutting-edge Red, Dragon Gettysburg. And another one, you might have heard of called Field of Dreams, is the author of the book. If you build it book about fathering faith and Field of Dreams. I'm honored. Alleged to have actor. Mr. Dwyer Brown. Thank you for joining us for this great nation today. My pleasure. John could be here. All right, so let me first thing. You know, we see I know you grew up in a small town. I know you. It says you played sports sports, were important. You as a young man. Did you collect cards? And I was card collecting as thing for you as a younger man. Yeah, my brother. And I had a little kind of shared car collection which you know, as if you have a brother, you know, that was Always a kind of an interest in feet, but, yeah. Yeah, we had, we had some card collections back in the day when, you know, you could cut them out of the back of cereal boxes. And, you know, we had a few official ones but we were, we live pretty far up in middle of nowhere. So it wasn't as too many places. You could get cards, you know, but yeah, we had quite a little collection. In fact, I should hit my brother up where that stuff is. Now could be what million? Yeah, you never know depending on what it is. I'm gonna go draw a little parallel between you and Mike. 

Jordan, if I can try here, boy. I read that you were. I read that you were cut from your freshman baseball team. And if anyone knows I know Michael Jordan was cut from his freshman basketball team. I think it's safe to say you both went on to problem, you know with all due respect to other people on the team to have pretty good careers in your own respect. So there's my there's my correlation. Thank you. I guess you're saying I'm the greatest of all time for six-minute roles in baseball movies, maybe. Anyway, yeah, I the only Revenge I had on that is, you know, Mike, I went to the Baseball Hall of Fame and and of course, my picture is in the Baseball Hall of Fame. So, for all those guys who made the team, my freshman year of high school, baseball is my picture that's in the Baseball Hall of Fame. It teleme. I made the Baseball Hall of Fame. A be on the plane. 

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It's that's awesome. And it's true, you know, we can laugh at it, tell your cheek. But at the end of the day, Still Still Rings. True and that's pretty cool. I'm in. I'm in Syracuse, which is really only an hour, 10 minutes from the hall. I'm usually there's three or four times a year. It's a it's a wonderful place as I'm sure, you know, and, and, and like you said, you're in it, so that's that's even cooler. You know, I want to get more specific. Mix into the movie, you know, here on the second half. But, you know, obviously the movies led to different opportunities. Are you ever ready recently? Bought a property in Dyersville, Iowa, just kind of talk a little bit about that and some of the, you know, the background there. Well gosh. Yeah, I have occasion to go to Dyersville, you know, several times a year and there's this gorgeous old building their brick and limestone. 

I found out as from 1860, which I thought was interesting is that sort of, in baseball, kind of became popularized in this country and this building was kind of falling down. There was a hole in the roof for five years and it just been raining and snowing. And anyway, I just kept seeing it, and it was a little bit like a ray kinsella, voice moment, where I just kept picturing assign, can sell us hanging from this place. And I thought gosh, but you know, I live in California Iowa's, so far away. And anyway, I kept seeing this, you know, it was on it was for sale. 

Years, and finally, I just, you know, I talked to a friend of mine and we ended up buying this this building and, you know, we've been fixing it up, you know, have to get the roof patched up first. And, and interestingly, we just got a 10-year lease with the if you build it Museum, which is the museum, they created about the making of the movie. And so, they're opening, I think maybe end of May in my garden and I decided to create the Baseball Hall. All of dreams, right next door which will be a kind of a homage to players who maybe didn't have enough credentials to get into the Hall of Fame. But who you know, contributed great things to baseball and we're going to include, you know, stickball and and all forms of baseball over the years. And, you know, fantastic stories and minorities in baseball, women's leagues, Negro Leagues. Anyway, we're just putting it together. Literally. I'm leaving Tuesday, too. 

You know, can start setting up the exhibits and we're pretty excited about it, you know, because so many Baseball fans, of course, come to Dyersville every year. And, you know, many more now that MLB is committed to doing 10 games over the next 15 years there. So anyway, we're excited about it. We're getting we have a collection of couple hundred vintage baseball, gloves much like the one my dad taught us to play catch with when I was growing up. So anyway, we're going to look cool stuff there, but that's the basic plans and Going to, you know, try to get a restaurant. We're going to set up batting cages. Anyway, should be cool. Come to know that. That's exciting. I look forward to seeing your progress with that. And, you know, you mentioned, stick bomb. I'm in Syracuse, but I'm originally from New York City stickball. I'm old enough. Even to still remember that. My dad was a big stickball player and it's it was good to hear that. That term again. There's some parts of the country may not be as familiar, but I know. 

New York that was a huge thing and it's nice. You're creating something to, you know, recognize folks that maybe like you said didn't get into the Hall of Fame but you're going to get that, you're going to acknowledge their, their achievements, and their contributions and just the same and that's, you know, that's just an awesome thing. No longer wants to have a stickball game. The day of the big guy MLB game on August 11th. The street in front of our place. So we'll save a place for you John. All right. I hope I can make. I love to go. I've never been been there yet. And like you said, you know, MLB is announced, you know, the ten games and 15 years. We saw last year's game, which was tremendous. You didn't have to be a Yankee fan or White Sox fan. You appreciate that game. You were you were privileged and fortunate enough to be their space speaker. 

Out that like this movie has just breathe, you know, continues to To expand into a life of its own and to obviously real baseball with these Major League games and it's just cool, you get to sort of continue. You know what I mean? And be a part of the state's talk about, you know, being there for last year's game. Well, like you were like you said it will. First of all, is an amazing game and I they hadn't given me a ticket. So I was going to be watching it in downtown Dyersville and finally somebody ponied up but you know, 

Got great seats and what was kind of amazing about it was? Well, first of all, it's you know, 6,000 seats. So it's, you know, the Yankees in a kind of like a minor league kind of setting the field of the the stadium. They built was incredible. Heddle barn, siding and they had the hand operated scoreboard and the corn was just amazing. Everybody, you know, is like rooting for anybody to hit it into the corn. I mean, what a fantastic, you know, you know, venue. This was for baseball and like, Like you said, here's the Yankees in the White Sox. I swear, anytime. Anybody got a hit 75%, of the crowd went crazy, you know, like everybody was rooting for everybody. You know, it's just one of those games that it felt like it was a, we were cheering for baseball more than for the individual teams and what a game, you know, back and forth and, you know, home run after home run. And I don't know, it was, it was just the most magical experience. And, you know, and because of this movie, I end up, 

Experiences like that, which are fantastic. I've been to, you know, the TriStar show in Chicago for, you know, memorabilia been ottavia card show and, you know, and I just had, you know, just fantastic. Good luck meeting Field of Dreams fans and you know Baseball fans all over the country, all over the country. Well, I'm glad you glad you went. I do you even for said like he didn't have a ticket like Dad said to me, that's a travesty. I hope that's like doesn't occur again. Mean to me that movie and you are synonymous that scene when we're going to get more into more specifics that scene, really, you know, even though it comes towards the end that that is the movie to me and really set the tone of what I think most people think about the movie. That but we would be completely different if that scene wasn't in that that movie and, you know, we're going to get into that. But yeah, I hope your day your included in all that stuff. 

As you deserve to should be noted, shouldn't even be a question. Well, going forward from your mouth to God's ear, John. Thank you your. Well. I'm just, you're welcome, but I'm just beginning on this too. So for sure for sure, no doubt. We're going to step aside for a real quick break, but we'll be right back after that. What? More with Dwyer Brown? Okay, everybody have you heard about collectible is the One-Stop shop where any collector can buy and trade? Shears, in some of the most rare and valuable sports cards and memorabilia in the world. Starting from just five dollars from 1950 to Mickey Mantle. PSA tens and Wilt Chamberlain's iconic rookie uniform to one of one Patrick Mahomes rpas rare LeBron, James, local man's and everything in between Collectibles, creating never-before-seen assets and opportunities for all. Let's go the hobby. We love together, please note. This is not a recommendation or solicitation by any secure. All investment decision should be undertaken a 

Doing your own research. Of course, Carnation is back with actor Dwyer Brown. You know, I know yet, you know, and reading some of what you wrote and stuff, you know, in your younger years, you know, you had a little bit of a strained relationship with your dad. What you got to reconcile, you know, before it was too late and I know you spoke as we get now more into the movie, you know, unfortunately passed away about a month before shooting on film. 

The dreams began. Fortunately. He got you were there and you got to spend some time and, you know, for me, you know, the movie came out in 1989. I was 17. I was playing High School baseball. I was raised by my grandparents Dwyer and so my grandfather passed away five years before 1984, and he was my m-my. My dad was in my life, but my grandfather's really, who got me into baseball practice with me blade to catch. Each and all that stuff. It's always, you know, recent with been passing in five years and then that movie just, I want, you know, I don't know how many times I've seen the movie, but it doesn't matter. You know, I won't watch the scene this morning, just to kind of get revved up and like a little baby tears, rolling down my face in my office here by myself, and it doesn't matter how, you know, what's coming, you know the lines, you know, the dialogue, but it just, it just hits that At that Central nerve and the beauty of that moment. It can mean so many different things to so many different people for me. Like, it's my grand thinking of my grandfather for could be an uncle but the Imam, you know, it's whoever you interpreted it internally, but, you know, going back and rambling on here, you know, with your old dad and you got to kind of be there and unfortunately have to say their goodbyes and I hear you. 

Are you know, 30 days later approximately and you're doing this scene. Let me just kind of talk about all that sort of jump, you know, together like well, yeah, first of all, I'm sure your grandfather and your your dad are really proud of who you've become. That's kind of exciting to think, maybe they're watching sports car Nation from my dad, my dad still with us. He's 83. This is one of his, you know, I haven't got a call them. Later, tell who I was I spoke to you but it will be it will be a static one of his favorite movies as well. But go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Well, you know, of course, my father's passing was sudden and unexpected, I had been cast in the movie was called Shoeless, Joe at the time and I've ever seen LA. And so I was, I was going to fly back to Iowa to shoot and I decided to come back a week early, so I can hang out with my folks and 

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The day I got home from LA to Ohio. My father died, that night. He had had some issues with gosh, when he died of cirrhosis of the liver, even though he wasn't a drinker at all. So that was a mystery to all of us. But so, as an actor, you know, of course, heartbroken my father died, but I was worried that, you know, when I got to the shoot, the movie, you know, 30 days later that I wouldn't be able to keep my emotions to 

That I would just fall apart. You know, I I'd auditioned for the part doing the role of certain way and I was just worried that I wouldn't be able to get through the scene, you know, so so we can create it, you know, created an interesting problem for me, as it turns out. I sort of had trouble crying about my father's death, you know, the funeral I was like, when is this going to hit me? I had this overwhelming sense of joy and relief that my dad who had a pretty rough life. He his dad. Was kind of very hard on him. He, of course, suffered through the Depression and World War 2 and and, you know, I mean he was a wonderful man, but, you know, it didn't have a lot of the cards in his favor. And so somehow there's a sense of joy around him. And when I got to Iowa, of course, there's supposed to be these ghost players and there's actual actors and Extras playing them and I sort of got the feeling that my dad was just amongst them somehow, you know, that he was just another kind of ghost. 

Which was just the most Pleasant feeling for me, you know, I felt like he was sort of this hummingbird. That was like flying to Jupiter. Checking it all out, then buzzing back. And was like, oh my gosh Dwyer, you should see this thing. It's it universe is amazing and pushes you off. You go, you know, and so that created another problem. I'm thinking. Oh, maybe I'm not going to be able to get emotional at all rather than you know, completely not be able to hold myself together, but you know, we The scene that we shot is it turns out to make things even worse this scene, which is only, you know, five minutes long, you ordinarily shooted in a day or maybe two, they decided to shoot that last scene in Magic hour, which is that 15 minutes of golden light just, after the sun, goes down, everything looks really beautiful and warm and well, you know, that's great. But that means this scene, we would only shoot it in these little chunks, you know, and if any of you work ever worked out a movie, you know how slowly. 

Moves may be shooting in the house and it would get close to Sunset and everybody say okay out to the field, the whole crew would go down there, set up the dolly track, you know, set up the lighting, they get the camera set up and sort of wait for just as the sun went down. And I take, okay, rolling. I'd say, you know action, I'd be like, is this Heaven? Okay, let's do it again. Is this Heaven? Okay, that's all we have time for and we'd be done. Let me come back and right around. Sunset down, we brush and then there'd be Kevin, no time, no time. Okay, that's it, you know, so he ended up shooting. This scene almost a line at a time over the two weeks that I was there in Iowa, which if any of you have ever done acting, it's hard enough to get kind of emotional and hold that place. Once for a good take, let alone time day after day, after day after day. So needless to say it was a it was a challenging singing. And with my recent, you know, grief over my dad, it made it all the more difficult. But what was kind of neat was that as we started doing the scene? 

I think everybody in the crew and there's, you know, maybe 70 or 80 people, you know around a movie set. I think they were all kind of thinking of their dads and in their own way kind of bringing their own father's to to our this little baseball field, carved out in the middle of the cornfield, and if you haven't been there, it is in the middle of nowhere. I mean it's way out there but it would get quieter and quieter each day as we shot this scene because everybody was kind of like, you know having their own little moment with their fathers, I think while we were shooting NG it and you know, by the end of the two weeks and we all we have left to shoot, was he actual catch? All right, we have to take another quick break, but we'll be back real quick to talk to Dwyer Brown again about the iconic catch seen and what went into it. And a lot of behind the scenes info that we didn't know about as viewers. I think you'll find it very interesting. Don't go away. We'll be right back. 

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Three miles, those are real people in real cars. This is back before CGI. They were all listening on their AM radio to fill Robinson, the director who's broadcasting, like start your engines. Okay, everybody. We're rolling start to creep forward in your car. You know, it was a huge huge deal that this shot was even going to get made at all. We thought we had one take at it. Well, anyway, you know, what's the helicopter starts roaring up? You can't hear anything. We don't have a radio because Thing is in the shot off they go and I'm thinking like, oh my God, what if I drop the ball? Like what if Kevin throws me this, it just for whatever, you know, I kept his vintage catchers met that was like a brick in my hand. It was, you know, it's just such a funny thing. You know, I played catch with my brother like a billion times in our backyard, but I thought here's this moment where the father of the minor league baseball player has finally arrived. But you know, I think I'd look like an idiot. So anyway, there was added stress but despite all that and the fact that the 

First couple takes of it. Got ruined the movie obviously turned out well, but it was a very stressful shoot and, you know, poor Phil Robinson. The director, you know, nearly had a nervous breakdown with all the things have been going wrong. Yeah. I'm not an actor but knowing, you know, from being a fan of movie reading it. I knew, you know, I think we're sport as viewers of movies, whether be in the theater or home. I think we're spoiled, you know, because we we see the movie, we think, 

That was done in the time we're watching it. Like it's all the only time where you said that that scene, you know, two weeks and you know, it's hard to get in any rhythm. Like you said you're trying to deliver the line and then, okay, our times up for today. Like you can't. It's hard to get. You don't have to be an actor to know. It's hard to get in any kind of Rhythm under those circumstances and you got to keep doing that. You know, one of the questions I do have on my list. Kind of a funny question. You talked about the catch. Which would Kevin Kahn was that one, was that done in one day? Or would you have to do that numerous times? Well, like I said, we thought we had one take out it because of the lighting situation. If it got too dark then it wouldn't have worked. Well, we did the whole thing and you know the cars moved and all that stuff. And this was before they had kind of playback where you could actually take a look at it and see if it works. This is you know, so you kind of go in blind and the like seemed, okay, so they said hey, let's do this again. Let you know, if the here's this. 

A camera operating in Davy Jones who's hanging out the side of this helicopter while they're bit, you know, there was just so many moving parts to that. So, we do another take and it's still kind of looks just just doesn't kind of look good to everybody. So they decided to one last take and so they do the take and then it's just, you know, they're not going to find out until they go process the film and a week later. So there, Phil, Phil Robinson. The director told me this, after the movie, I have no idea is the actor. But when I was researching my book, I 

I found out that so they look at the first take and when the camera pans up from the field, to the line of cars, it goes to Black. It's just black. There's nothing there. And they're like, what happened? What could have possibly happened? So they quick. Let's go seats. I can take s, take, pan up same thing black and they're like, oh my gosh. I mean, this is a shot that I can't replicate. They can't do over, and they go to the third take. And because it hadn't looked great, Phil had told everybody in through the AM radio. And their cars to flash their lights on and off. Because what was happening is because there are so many cars. They couldn't move anymore because they'd already started down the driveway to do. The second. Take you couldn't back up 3,000 cars. So we're really moving but somebody had the idea to flash the lights. And so anyway, the third take comes out and there they are and because people are flashing their lights. It gives the illusion that they're moving that they're moving behind trees or whatever so that the you know, the headlights are blocked for a second. Anyway, that was the give and take you know, that that we ended up seeing from the movie. 

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She? From the bright field to the dark sky. He had to open the iris of the camera. And in all the confusion. I mean falling out of the helicopter, your life at stake. He close the iris instead of opening it for the first two takes and so that's why it went to Black and that those in the coast takes were useless. But in the final one, he opened it. And, you know, but those kind of both difficult and magical things happen over and over with that movie, you know, the, you know, is many people know, it was a drought and In 88, when we Shot the movie, The Corn wouldn't grow. So they're shooting every other scene of the movie just waiting for the corner and there's no rain, you know, the corn is this tall and how stupid it would be for the players to be walking when you clean a ankle-high corn. Well, they got special permission to to water the corn which, you know, Farmers. Don't do an eyewear. They just know sooner or later the rain will come but we had to shoot, you know, so that they did that. They also ordered 40,000 fake silk stalks of corn from Hong Kong that were on hold to. They were 

Have to shove into the ground and we'd be walking out of this, you know, artificial cornfield anyway, so they get everything else shot. It's blazing hot. It's this terrible drought. Anyway, finally, they could start shooting some of the Corn stuff which is you know, if you watch that movie there's corn in a lot of shots. So anyway, when they got it there, Kevin supposed to be inspecting the corn from early on in the movie you can see it. Well the court at this point is now seven feet tall because with the water and the heat, it's growing like crazy so you can't even see. Kevin walking through it. So they had to build a platform between the rows of corn. So the Kevin could be walking along the corn and looking like it's you know, this high you can be expecting it. And anyway, so if Kevin had taken one extra step, you would have disappeared into the equipment Court, nonetheless, none of those things happen, and when you watch the movie, like you said, it looks perfect. Like, oh my gosh, you guys must have so much fun and it's just, it was really one of the most cursed ships I've ever been on. And of course, it's one of the 

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Dot-com. Reports coordination has returned with actor Dwyer Brown. So I got to ask you what the catching will you and Kevin get some no wild throws. No drop balls at that all came out. Yes. Yeah, I mean, you know, it was just such a funny thought that I had, you know, with it people risking their life. I'm thinking. Yeah, I mean, I played baseball. I'd be like look, this is the last time. This is the worst time if I'm ever going to make a bad throw. Yeah, exactly. 

The it all worked out you mentioned, you know the third take. Why me. What do you know what? So Robinson? The director would have done. Had let's say, the third day was the same as the first two. What are you thinking? I imagine they would have had to come up with, I mean, I think, what's Fortune is such a dark sea, and maybe they would have. I mean, because the CGI hadn't been invented yet. They might have created a miniature with tiny, little twinkle lights or something to to make him hurry. Yeah. I really don't know. I should have Him that if he had, if his mind was reeling, he's a very smart guy, but thank goodness. It didn't come to that. Yep, and that scene. And I'm not just saying this, this is this from the hard dead scene. I mean, the movie is very good, but Dad scene makes the movie great to me that scene is what, you know, it comes again. Obviously, at the end of movie in, it really don't want to say set the tone because tone is kind of said earlier, but it's what the movie really the 

Comes about when, you know, when people leave their theater, most of a lot of people with tears streaming down, but their face myself included, even to this day. It doesn't matter how many times I watch that scene. I know what you're going to say. I know what Kevin Costner is going to say and it still gets me every single time Gap that, you know, Dad made just a really good movie, a great movie. And in a way you've become, you know, Sort of a father figure to me. A people, I mean, with, you know, with that scene. I mean, have, you does that? Have you ever think about it along those lines? Like you realize like the significance of that? Yeah. Well, first of all, I would add that I get emotional watching that scene, you know, and I'm in it, you know, so I know that it's something Beyond, you know, my participation or anything. They really captured something, you know, Fathers and Sons, or second chances. It really amazes me. Every time I still go to screenings. I've seen the movie. You know, so many times and it's still, it's still I tear up. You know, what was your question? Well, I just I mean the theme itself like I said makes the movie and what I mean in a way, you know, you're sort of Representative of millions of people's dad's. Yeah. I've never had that experience. I, you know, I get I got recognized, you know, for decades and it always surprised me because, you know, I don't think I look that much like I did, but I think because that seems so emotional. 

The people who are invested in it, you know, my face is 40 feet, high tattooed on their optic nerve or something. But yeah, I've had the most profound encounters with strangers in airports and grocery stores, who you know, what's they recognize me from the movie, they feel compelled to tell me, you know, about their dad or about their, you know, relationship with baseball or these amazing things that happen to them, that it feels like they've never told anybody in their life. And here I am this. Stranger this actor who You know, decades ago, was in this movie and I try to be very present for people because, you know, having lost my dad the way I did. So close to that movie. It feels to me each one of these encounters feels like my opportunity to kind of get a chance to touch my dad. Again, you know, through through somebody's else's relationship with their dad. And so to neither it's very profound and somewhat, you know, sacred for me. I sometimes think of myself as a traveling priest hearing, these confessions that, you know, I like 

Said, I swear sometimes I feel like I'm being told something for the first time by somebody who was too afraid to unburden themselves to somebody else and you know, I frequently end up, you know, embracing hugging these people and you know, telling them, you know, whatever I can I can I try to be that trying to channel John kinsella for a few moments and then be that father that you always wanted who maybe you know has the freedom to tell you my gosh. I'm so proud of you. You know, where as your your dad is. Always thinking, I don't want to give too much, praise, or, he'll go off the rails and, you know, all those kind of things that, you know, I know, as a father myself, you you have to kind of couch. You're you're all your feelings, you know, I certainly, you know, tell my kids. I love them all the time which is something, you know, my dad never was able to say to me. I certainly know he did love me. But but, you know, I it's a, it's a fascinating predicament that wonderful predicament. I find myself in, you know, when I talk to people because 

I think it means so much to them and and I try, you know, it means so much to me. So it's really rewarding and all this out of an acting career in a six-minute role in a movie, you know, 34 years ago. So any well you can you can put whatever time you want on it. Dwyer, 6 minutes 30 minutes. That's six minutes is, there's a lot of factors that put wish they had. Those kinds of six minutes on their resume. They may have more minutes. You know, I never Yes, but don't kind of minutes where they, you know, touch people on that level. We're not even talki