Ep.251 w/ Dave & Jim Childers (TheSportsBros)

SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody? Episode 2 51 of sports coordination.

SPEAKER 1: My name is John Newman. We have on the show today. Two folks, two brothers, Dave and Jim Childers, met him in Chicago for the National Body Bob Gibson Rookie. From them. That's not why they're on the show. We're gonna talk about the hobby setting up at the National, what that was like, how they got their cards there, and all that, fun stuff.

SPEAKER 1: What, what do they think of the current ongoing? And is there too many shows and those, those sort of fun questions? So, we're gonna take a real quick break and then we're gonna start the show with the children for.

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SPEAKER 1: All right. Happy to be joined by my next two guests on the sports card shop guest line. I got to meet them in person, about six weeks ago at the National in Chicago. They are, they set up at their first, National and I purchased, one of my three big purchases I'll say, or two, big purchases that I made, during the show, from them.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, they're dealers and, and collectors, like myself. And so we're gonna talk about some of the dynamics of all that and the National obviously as well. The Sports brothers Dave and Jim Childers. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you all Right.

SPEAKER 1: So, guys, I, you know, I'm a dealer myself. I think you do more, without knowing, I'm, I know you travel for show. So, I don't travel, travel as much as I did when I was a, a younger dealer. So I, I venture to guess you probably do, more shows, than I do. But kinda, you guys are obviously brothers.

SPEAKER 1: Talk about kind of how you got your start in the hobby. Did you collect a, as young kids? And then just kinda come up through the ranks and stay with it or is your story similar to most? Like, I, he got out and he came back, kind of just, it's a little background.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I'm eight years older than my brother. So I started collecting before him and times I hit 16, I was too cool of a teenager to collect anymore.

SPEAKER 3: So I ended up giving my whole collection to him and he thankfully kept it and when he got heavy into it, I kind of got back into it with him and we've been doing it ever since and at one point we even opened a shop for a couple of years and then it just turned out it's, it's a lot more fun to travel around and not have all the overhead overhead and the headaches that come with the shop, you know, it's just a lot easier.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. No doubt. What, what I want to know. Did you, did you pay your brother back, for the card you gave? Like, then once you were both?

SPEAKER 3: No. You know, we just kind of, kind of split everything, you know, it's like, you know, it's like brotherly love. Just give it to me. It's like hand me downs, you know, the clothes they don't fit him. Well, they fit me, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. That's funny. And, you know, I had a store from, in the nineties from like 92 to 97 and, you know, I, I loved it. I, I wouldn't, you know, trade the experience for anything but, like I've said on this show, Ebay kind of came along then and in, in 97 I was 25 years old and, you know, a lot of my friends were, were, hey, we're going to this state for a, a rock concert you wanna go?

SPEAKER 1: And a lot of times it was my day at the store and I had to say, no, I can't make the trip and then Ebay kind of came along and, as we all know, it wasn't what we know it as today, but it was a AAA, you know, an opportunity to kind of sell, you know, 24 7, you basically had an Invisible card store and so you could sell something at two in the morning while you're sleeping.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, II I call it a blessing and a curse. Not everything about Ebay is good. Not everything about Ebay, is bad. But the, the blessing in a way for me guys then was it allowed me to kinda add a partner in the store?

SPEAKER 1: We worked, had a deal. He bought me out with like mutual owned stuff. I still had my own, personal stuff and I start traveling and doing shows, as well. Ebay and shows.

SPEAKER 1: So I did a lot of, I'm on the East Coast so I did a lot of, you know, Massachusetts, Connecticut here in New York where I am, Pennsylvania even a little bit into Ohio and it was, you know, when I wanted to and it also freed me up to say yes instead of no to, when friends would invite me to, to different things. And so, you know, II I kind of brought me back, to that.

SPEAKER 1: You do, I know you do modern and, and vintage, you know, at the show I saw a lot of vintage, you know, what, what do you, you know, do you do both because you enjoy both or just so that your customers can have sort of, a variety. You're not, in other words, cutting anyone out.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, I enjoy both. I really enjoy the vintage better.

SPEAKER 3: You know, more of that. My love is the vintage, you know, and I'm, I'm sure his, you know, his is too, but I just, I just enjoy baseball. That's my favorite sport. You know, ever a kid doesn't want to be an MLB player, you know, and, and 12 years old was when I did my first show actually, selling and, you know, I was selling the newer stuff at that time.

SPEAKER 3: It was like 91 premiere, you know. And then the stadium club came out the new shiny car and I was trying to get that stuff to sell so I can go buy my Yogi Bear, my Jackie Robinson, stuff like that. So, up until now it's pretty much the same thing. We sell a lot of the new stuff to buy the vintage cards, you know, and that's the first show.

SPEAKER 3: The National was the first show that we, we've actually put vintage out, like all of our vintage, you know, most of them was kind of PC slash, you know, I'm just gonna hold on to it for a little bit. But, you know, it's kind of, it was a great showcase to put it out and, and show everybody what we've got.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, that's it. So, normally, like prior to the National, if I would have went to the show you're set up at, I would have said I would have saw 100% vintage or 100% modern.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. Yes. Yeah. More than likely. Just all.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. So, how, what, what was that? That's, that's interesting. I, I find that, what was, what made you say we're gonna put some vintage out just because it's a National and you want to make sure, you know, you have as much out there, that sort of thing. What, what was the mindset going into?

SPEAKER 1: National?

SPEAKER 3: We were just tired of hoarding it. Yeah, we've had it sitting there for 30 plus years most of it, you know, and it was just time to, to, to change it up a little bit and we combined two collections.

SPEAKER 3: Mine and his, you know, it used to be separate. Now, everything is all one and, and everything is under that one name of sports bros and just pretty much treat it like a business now. And a lot of it too is when you have the vintage out on the tables in the showcases, I've noticed people who are trying to sell or trade that have vintage.

SPEAKER 3: If they don't see it, they just walk by. They don't ask, you know, hey, do you, you know, do you collect vintage, do you buy vintage trade vintage? They just keep walking by. So it's easier just to have a few pieces in there. Ok.

SPEAKER 3: So now we just put a whole showcases in and, and then vintage is just walking up. Now. It's great.

SPEAKER 1: That's a great point. That's a great point that if you don't have vintage and someone's trying to move their vintage, you're not, you may not, you may miss an opportunity to acquire, you know, some or all of what they have available.

SPEAKER 1: You know, you don't think about that, but it's a, it's a great point that, people will judge you, you know, they don't see vintage, they'll just assume you don't have, you have any or you don't like it, you know, or both. And when it's not necessarily the case, like you said, that you were doing shows where you were putting all modern out, but vintage was where your heart was.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, that's a great point that by putting it out there, people know, kind of, you're least interested and know about it, right? And, and, and want it. So, you know, you don't think about little things necessarily like that or what the impact of those decisions, can be what you, the show circuit. What is that for you?

SPEAKER 1: Are you doing a lot of Out of State show? You're, you're based in Reno, if I'm not mistaken how far, I mean, obviously the Nationals its own, its own, you know, Super Bowl, the hobby, I call it. But, and for your normal show circuit, how far do you travel? Where do, where do you set up at, at shows?

SPEAKER 3: And we've done the Chicago Sports Spectacular.

SPEAKER 3: We're getting ready to do Burbank. We leave for Burbank tomorrow for the Burbank, sports Card Show right after that. We'll do Dallas the week later.

SPEAKER 3: We do shows in Sacramento, northern California area. San Francisco.

SPEAKER 3: Just pretty much wherever we can get to. Yeah. Arizona State Card show coming up in November. We'll do that one.

SPEAKER 3: Just, it's something that's easy to fly to or easy to drive to, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: No doubt. I always want, you know, I don't do, like I said, I used to do a lot more out of state shows guys than, than now. I did one in Springfield earlier this year. But normally I, I don't, I kind of stay local to New York and it always amazes me when, you know, especially at the National, right?

SPEAKER 1: Or, but any, you know, there's a lot of shows that are getting big. You, you mentioned a bunch Bird back Sho Dallas car show and it own right. Many people say it's the next best show to the National. I've been there twice myself. It always amazes me. People come from other states, like, how do you get your cards there for me?

SPEAKER 1: Like, but before like when I do even my local shows, my car is, is packed to the gills. Like I can't even put one more shoe box in there. It's like, it's like Jenga, like just squeezing showcases and monster boxes and, and, you know, graded card cases like it's, it's a science to, to get everything in there.

SPEAKER 1: And then, you know, someone asked me like, why don't you set up at the National? And one of the first things I say is like, I don't know how I'd get like, and if you're gonna, if I'm gonna do it, I wanna bring all my stuff, right. You know, how, how do you get your stuff to all these out of state? Locals?

SPEAKER 1: Go ahead.

SPEAKER 3: You tell them, we have a good story for you from the, from the team we're flying to. It's, you take all of your high end and you put them in a backpack. Each of us will carry a backpack and one carry on. You.

SPEAKER 3: You try to load the carry on and your backpack with as much, you know, the high end stuff, you know, that you don't want to take a chance on losing, you know, and everything else, you just pack really good, you know, down below in, in your luggage. But this last one at for the Chicago National, our flight got delayed with Delta and we had with three boxes. Yeah, about about about 300,000 $250,000 in cards get lost on.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not laughing because it's just, I mean, I, I I'm assuming it has a happy ending. It has a great one.

SPEAKER 1: But man, that, that's, that's a big fear. That's a big fear. I think you even when you're mailing cards, you know what I mean? Just let them fly but go ahead go ahead. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Well, the, the flight was delayed and then for about five hours and I went to six hours and then they just canceled it and said we're changing you to a United flight and you've got like 45 minutes to get across the terminal there at o'hare.

SPEAKER 3: And they didn't transfer our bags to United. So we didn't see them for three days. So, needless to say we were stalkers at the airport here in Reno, three nights in a row waiting for the last flight from Chicago to come in every night.

SPEAKER 3: And then it was like seeing, you know, a long lost relative when they showed up at the airport on the third night finally. So it was pretty crazy.

SPEAKER 1: But that's all right.

SPEAKER 1: You did it, did it get lost. So you did. So you had your, like you said, this is what I do. You have your, your personal bag, your, your, your carry-on bag, that's where you put your, your most valuable of inventories and then you check bags with still valuable cards but not, not the top shelf stuff. They, they lost your luggage on the way to Chicago on from Chicago to Reno, going home or going home. Ok.

SPEAKER 1: Well, all right. I mean, not that you want it lost at all. I, I was just thinking, did you like not have all your inventory at the show? So, no, it was, it was going home So you had to keep going. Were you going in the airport to check just on your own or, or did they say we'll call you when, when we find it and it comes back?

SPEAKER 3: It was trust issues because I didn't think they would call me. So I wanted to be there every night to make sure, you know, when it gets there I want it. So it was just too, that was too much to, to lose.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I gotta ask you if it would happen to me. Like, if I would have been in that situation, you know, I mean, did you tell him like, what's in it or did you just say like this, there's a like, I.

SPEAKER 3: Don't, I don't let, yeah, we don't want to let anybody know what was in it.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I'm not saying I don't trust them but I just, no, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just luggage. We'll just tell them it's just luggage.

SPEAKER 1: Do you think they thought it was odd that you were like checking in every day? Just like how important are these sweatpants?

SPEAKER 3: Told them those me told them there was medicine in there. We had medicine in there that we had have, you know, and that kind of thing.

SPEAKER 1: You know what I, I can imagine being and I, this is just for fun. Like I can imagine being like an airline employee. Like these guys are back here again. Like what's in there? Like cocaine is they, they're not saying what's in there but what, you know, should we, like, call the authorities and kind of maybe we should check this before we hand it back.

SPEAKER 1: But, but you know what, I would be the same way. I wouldn't advertise that there's sports cards in there. Look what we see happen with, with stuff shipped in the mail and, and mail, you know, open and I would be scared guys, I'm sure you were too. The thought crossed your mind too. Even, you know, sometimes they randomly will check, luggage. I'll open up a suitcase. You know, I've, I've had that happen.

SPEAKER 1: The last Should not This Chicago Show, but the last Chicago Show there was a note like, hey, your bag was selected. I, I only had clothes in that bag but I'm thinking, imagine that happens and the guy opens the suitcase sees all these cards that happens to be a card collector, right? And maybe not an honest guy unfortunately, or, or an honest person. Right?

SPEAKER 1: It, there's all that's how my mind works. I'm sure you saw had all those scenarios probably go through your mind.

SPEAKER 1: Now, I know some people ship their stuff, like literally mail it and then pick it up at like a a shipping location.

SPEAKER 1: But is that something you thought about or you just thought I'd rather have it in, in the same container with me being the plane.

SPEAKER 3: We've I thought about it but it's, it's just, I'd rather have it with me. It's easy. I've never, we've never had a problem before and I think it, I don't want to blame the airlines or anything like that, you know, like, like it was malicious but it just, they just didn't get the bag to us in time on the other flight. That's all it was. But it's, it's kind of hard to, to ship, it's kind of hard to ship.

SPEAKER 3: You know, at least, like you're saying, you know, at least we know it's underneath the plane with us, you know, but, you know, shipping, you know, it may not, it may not get there or it may not get there on time.

SPEAKER 1: And I guess if you have a choice better to like, be missing it on the way back after the show to not have that inventory, that's for sure.

SPEAKER 1: The show, plus it would have been real difficult to get from being in Chicago ready to get back to o'hare even to pick it up. I mean, I'm sure you would have found a way to do it but it, the, the, the difficulty would have been increased because it's not your home, you know, your home, air airport and, and, and whatnot.

SPEAKER 1: So, I mean, when you, when you got your, your, your luggage with the, when you finally got it back, I mean, I, I would be going over with a fine tooth comb, like make sure everything is there. I'm assuming you did the same.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. Yeah, everything everything was Zinta still you all taped up inside the ball in the bags and it just, the bag just had some wear and tear from sitting around for a couple of days. That was about it.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. What does does that, does that experience change? Kind of your mindset? Like, you know, doing anything differently or? It's just one of those unfortunate freaky things that it just happened.

SPEAKER 3: It doesn't change me at all. I, I still gotta do it. I'm not gonna drive. So it just, yeah, it's just one of those things you have to roll the dice and maybe next time I'll, I'll pick a little bit better, you know, way to put it in my luggage that I'm carrying on. That way I get more cards in there, you know, something like that.

SPEAKER 1: That's, that's, that's a, I mean, I'm glad it is not a bad ending, you know, then you can laugh, you can laugh about it now. But I'm sure at the time you were sweating, sweating some bullets there and, and you know, so now I'm assuming I, I don't want to put you on the spot.

SPEAKER 1: This would be probably the most on the spot. But iii I, I'm assuming I know the answer but I, I'm gonna, you probably have collectibles insurance as much as, like I do we.

SPEAKER 3: Have it, it's covered under the homeowner's insurance.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I, I'm gonna sound like a commercial and they're not a sponsor but, you know, it's co collectibles insurance will, will cover stuff like that. God forbid that didn't have a happy ending.

SPEAKER 1: Also even anything shipped to you or by you, is also covered just for, just for reference. I can, I can talk to you, you know, off the air and stuff like that. But, I was just thinking when you were telling that story, I'm thinking, well, worst case scenario.

SPEAKER 1: You know, that, but, because I used to use homeowners too. There's, there's some qualms about that. But again, that's what, that's, that's a, another show, another day. So how do you, you know, especially with vintage, I love vintage two guys.

SPEAKER 1: I'm finding it, I don't know about you guys. I'm finding that, I don't do as many shows as you, but I'm finding that it's, it's harder to obtain it as far as a dealer and a, a collector to, buy collections.

SPEAKER 1: I used to have better luck by buying collections three or four years ago than of late. How without, you know, without giving out all your secrets potentially, like, how do you go about obtaining a vintage, whether it be for your personal collections or even your showcases?

SPEAKER 3: It's, you hope and pray things come up to the tables you know, there's one, we'll look at and it's no secret, you know, we look at Craigslist, try to find somebody, you know, within, you know, a decent, weekend drive or something like that to try to buy from, just friends that are in the hobby that pretty much are just, they just been buying and just want to resell and they just buy and sell, buy and sell.

SPEAKER 3: It's, it is very hard. It's very, very hard. Especially any, like, tea cards, anything pre-war things like that. Especially out here it seems out on the west area, there's hardly any of that. You get a lot of sixties, seventies, some fifties, but there's not a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I think, I think the biggest thing that's changed, buying the vintage is the younger collector that's coming in now. There you'll see a lot of those guys at the shows that are trading their new stuff to get into the vintage. So that's, you know, that's drying it up a little bit more too. There's a lot more people doing the vintage than there was, you know, say 20 years ago.

SPEAKER 3: And also a lot of people just aren't selling, they just, they just don't want to sell vintage right now. A lot of like we were, you know, 20 years ago, you know, 15 years ago we would buy the new to keep, you know, or buy the new, you know, sell the new, buy the old stuff and keep it just the.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of that going on, now too.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, it's a great point. I've seen, I, I'm, and I'm sure you guys are, are too. You, you do more shows than I do. I've seen a lot and I like it. I like it.

SPEAKER 1: But I've seen a lot, lot of younger collectors, like you said, get into the vintage side, whether that's just straight out buying it or even like you said, trying to move their, their modern stuff and changing it into into the, into a vintage. And you know, I, I talked about this on the show.

SPEAKER 1: After the National, I saw a young man guys, he had to be, you know, I didn't ask him how old he was. I put him at like 12 to 14 years old.

SPEAKER 1: He was, you know, I, I was at the table looking and he was, you know, 5 ft away from me at the same dealer's table and he had three raw Hank Aaron rookies in his hand that were obviously the dealers and he was, he looked intent like he was mulling over, you know, whether which one he wanted or, or, or, you know, pondering the purchase.

SPEAKER 1: I so wanted to like I was kind of done looking and I wanted to be a nosy body and just kind of hover and see what like the end result was, but it sort of gets my nature. So I didn't.

SPEAKER 1: But I, I really wonder but, but I found that refreshing for, you know, let's say he's 12 to 14, which is where I kind of would, would guessimate, you know, he's never saw Hank play at least in person and, but, you know, he knows the significance of an iconic card and I mean, that's a big purchase.

SPEAKER 1: Obviously, I don't know, you know, what kind of money you have, but you're seeing, you're seeing the younger set, you know, make not only bigger purchases but get into the vintage side and, and I'm, I'm glad because I, I think it's, it's, you know, maybe I'm over embellishing it, but it's kind of respect. I mean, we wouldn't have, you know, the modern guys wouldn't be here without those guys before.

SPEAKER 1: And so it's always, I always say, you know, you gotta respect the past. I, I it's always nice to see a, a younger person sort of get into the vintage and if they collect modern too, that's, that's great.

SPEAKER 1: I do a little, you know, a little bit of both but my, my heart's really in vintage. Are you seeing, are you seeing even more of that with not just sell someone selling to you, but you're seeing a lot of more younger folks get like kind of looking for vintage and buying vintage as dealers.

SPEAKER 3: Most definitely. Yeah, there is a lot of younger guys doing it now. It was nice too, like you're saying, refreshing. It was nice at the National when, you know, 12 or 10 to 15 year olds come with their dads or uncles or whoever they were with and they kind of combed through the new stuff and then they were looking at the vintage and they were just popping off names, you know, Bob Gibson.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, look at the Ruth, you know, and the mantle and it, it's, you know, they, they don't even have to read. They just look at the face and they know who the player is.

SPEAKER 3: You know, it's not, it's, it's, it's nice that either wherever they learned it from grandfather, dad, uncle, whoever, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of nice to listen to them, you know, go gaga over those guys rather than, you know, some of the new players, you know, it's Mike Trout, you know, it, it seems like there's a little bit more appreciation there, you know, for the, the vintage or in the older players than there are some of the newer players, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's a, yeah, that's a great word. That's the, the better word. That's the word I was kind of looking for, rather than respect, just say appreciation. Right? Hey, these guys could play, too, right.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and, you know, we can, we can we can do a whole show on, you know, they did it clean back then or it wasn't some of the stuff that came, you know, again, it's, you know, it ii I like to see it cause II I always feel sometimes we sort of forget that or we don't, we, you know, we move on from it without, you know, appreciating it or respecting it.

SPEAKER 1: And so whenever you see it, it's, it's, it's refreshing to see. It's time for a quick break. But we'll be right back.

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SPEAKER 1: Talk about, you know, the difficulty. How did you get, you know, a lot of people were on the outside looking in at the National, talk about the process to get, your table at the, at the National.

SPEAKER 3: We've been been trying, doing the lottery, you know, every, you know, for a while.

SPEAKER 3: And then we had somebody who had a table and offered it to us or had a booth, you know, and they said, you know, you know, do you want, you know, part of it this year? You know, I can, I give you part and I'm like, ok, you know, so that's, that was just the 1 ft through the door.

SPEAKER 3: Nothing set in stone. Of course, you still have to be, you know, selected by them.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, other than that, it was just, it was just kind of luck of the draw. Somebody offered knew that we've been wanting to get there and we were, regardless, we were gonna be there every year, either walking the other side of the table or being behind.

SPEAKER 3: But that's, that's how we got. It was, just, just being offered a few months ahead of time saying, hey, you know, I've got a little bit of space, you know, do you want, do you want part of it? So, I like to keep that.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Now, do you know your status for, for Cleveland or is it too early? It's, it's too early.

SPEAKER 3: It's zero. Yeah, from what I, we heard we went to all the meetings, you know, we were there for all the meetings and all the way through Sunday or Saturday. They didn't have one Sunday because it was done and over.

SPEAKER 3: But the, some of the, the guys that have already been there, threes, twos and ones didn't even get in for Cleveland, you know. So it's, yeah, it's a lot smaller venue from what they were saying on the maps and everything.

SPEAKER 3: But with Chicago, I figured we'd go to Cleveland and we can get in, go to the meetings and do everything, you know, that we're supposed to do that. We, we wanna do, we wanna do it right, you know, and get our foot in the door and see if we can get in back in Chicago again after Cleveland.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Well, listen, I, I hope, you know, I hope that's the case and, you know, it's, it's funny people think, you know, it's funny I get asked all the time guys like John, are you setting up? I'm like, it's not that easy. Even if I want, I really want to like I'm going.

SPEAKER 1: But even if I wanted to, the, the likelihood of me getting the table, it, it's tough and I think a lot of people, that, you know, a AAA, small percentage have gotten like their space, that way and it's probably more, more lucky than, than good as, as they say.

SPEAKER 1: How was, I mean, so you got, you know, you were set up, however you had, however it was done, it doesn't matter. You were.

SPEAKER 1: How was your show? Did you get a chance, to walk around much? Your thoughts? They, they expanded, to Chicago by, by 200,000 square feet. Kind of your, your overall thoughts and, and setting up at your first National too. Was it everything kind of like you, you thought it would be just kind of your overall review.

SPEAKER 3: It was more than I expected. Yes. And John, it was the first show I've ever done in my life. Out of the hundreds, I've done hundreds of shows. That is the first one I actually had to work at. It was incredible. I was exhausted every night I left there. But you know what? It was the best thing I've ever done. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So yeah, it's the expansion.

SPEAKER 1: Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER 1: No, I was just gonna say, yeah, I, I hear you. I mean, I'm, you know, I walk 25 miles in the, in the five days there.

SPEAKER 1: But you know what, we, we circle this this week. It's, it's really almost the same week, every year, give or take a couple of days. We circle the week, right. Guys every, every year.

SPEAKER 1: For me, I let my employer know like, hey, this week, at least at least four or five days I'm gonna probably not be here.

SPEAKER 1: Thankfully I'm a, a teaching assistant and at summer school and it's easier to take a few days off during the summer school year than in the regular school year. So I kinda works out.

SPEAKER 1: I had a job before this one, a few years ago, that was like pulling teeth to get time off. And even when I got it, I, I would get a guilt trip like we, we really need you. And I'm like, I gotta go, do, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm past that thankfully.

SPEAKER 1: But yeah, we, you know, we circle it, every year it'd be nice. I don't know how you do it. I mean, let me ask you this. Do you, do you, do you think the process to being able to set up, would you change anything or you really think it's the fairest way?

SPEAKER 3: I think it's, I wouldn't change a thing. Honestly. I think it's, it's fair across the board. These guys that have been doing this for 40 years, 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, you know, they deserve it.

SPEAKER 3: They put their time and they put their work in, you know, you're just, I think right now we're just seeing more collectors, you know, more collectors slash dealers, whatever you would like to call them now that are trying to just get their foot. And so it looks like, you know, you say, 10 years ago or even five years ago, pre COVID, it really wasn't like this.

SPEAKER 3: There wasn't that many people beating down the door, there was a list but not as bad, you know, now it just seems there's so many people trying to get into it.

SPEAKER 3: So the emphasis is like, oh, you know, there's thousands of these people on the list but I, it should, I don't think it should change. It's, if it's not broke, don't fix it. You know, I understand, you know, they, they want to change things, you know, fine. But it's, it's, it's an easy process.

SPEAKER 3: It's made it this long. Yeah. And it's the best show every year.

SPEAKER 3: So you don't need to change it. Yeah. The whole, the whole selection, the whole lotto is fair, you know, if it's pretty much just put your name in the hat, you know, and, and go from there, that's, that's fair enough. If we don't get John Hanks, you know, we'll be there next year.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And you know what? It's nice to hear you say that like, hey, we may not get in but this is how it needs to be done. It's nice to hear you say, hey, the guys that have been there 30 40 years should really, you know, have their spot until unfortunately they maybe they're not around, and hopefully that's later rather than sooner.

SPEAKER 1: And, we see every year they do that kind of in memoriam, in, in the lobby there for, for those that are no longer with the win, which I actually think is a, is a great, sign of respect. And, you know, so, let me ask you, you're on the West Coast, obviously, I'm an East Coast guy. This isn't two pack and, and biggie. But I've actually said, I've actually said, guys, I, I'm a fair guy.

SPEAKER 1: I'm a fairness guy like Chicago's kind of dead center. So kind of, it's fair to everybody, but Atlantic City was super fair to me. I get to drive to it. Whether there's another Atlantic City show, I don't know. But, I appreciated it because I got to drive. But in fairness to you guys, I've been on this show and said there really should be something on the West Coast. You know, we have the Atlantic City show.

SPEAKER 1: Why shouldn't the West Coast have one on their coast? I, I think it's, it's the fair thing to do, kind of your thoughts on, on that. And, and what city, what city I mean is Las Vegas? I mean, for you it's probably, close, right. What, what, what, what cities on the West Coast do you think would be potential candidates if they decide to go that route?

SPEAKER 3: I think our answer is gonna surprise you.

SPEAKER 3: I think Vegas. No, I, I wouldn't do one in Vegas. Honestly. I think Seattle would be good. Seattle would be great.

SPEAKER 3: I really don't know if I would go back to southern California. Do you put it this way? Do you want the National on the West Coast? No, I don't, I, I don't want it on the West Coast.

SPEAKER 1: It doesn't surprise me.

SPEAKER 1: I, I don't, I'm not a West Coast guy so I maybe, I don't know the answer. That's why I'm.

SPEAKER 3: There are two different shows. There's two different coasts. The East Coast is all about the history and the, you know, the, the nostalgia of it that you can get all the good cards there. You could and the West Coast is very social.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, two different types of shit. They are two different types, types of people. It seems crazy but West Coast, it's, it's, the West Coast is great. You know, there's, you meet a lot of people, there's a lot of opportunities with cards but just the knowledge. It's, it's a lot, it's, the history is a lot, a lot better on the east.

SPEAKER 3: I understand a lot of dealers don't because we went to the 2006 Anaheim and a lot of the dealers. You know, not, not, I'm gonna throw out names but a lot of them didn't want to come out. They took their buy year and which I understand you know, that's, they're doing 53 ft trailers full of stuff.

SPEAKER 3: It's not cheap and I think it's just as easy, you know, like my, my thoughts, Chicago, I mean, they leave it in Chicago every year. It's simple. It's easy for everybody to get to, you know, easy, er, you know, it's a, it's a four hour, a half hour flight and half hour flight and.

SPEAKER 1: Long as long as the airline doesn't lose your, your exactly. You know.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I've heard people say, like, they're fine with it being in Chicago every year. Like, that's not an uncommon, thought. And frankly I'm ok with that. I mean, I can't drive now, I'll, I'll be, I know a lot of people don't like the city of Atlantic City. I, so I understand that, I'm not go going to Atlantic City for the city, I'm going because the Nationals.

SPEAKER 1: So I just, you know, I go to sleep in my hotel room and then I go to the show when I wake up. But I, I understand that Cleveland's gonna be nice for me next year guys because it's five, it's actually closer. I'm closer to Cleveland than Atlantic City. So it's five hours and five minutes.

SPEAKER 1: So I'll be driving to Cleveland, next year. So, you know, III I wouldn't mind if it was in Cleveland every year from a selfish point of point of view, you know, but Chicago is kind of like the center of the United States. So I get that, I get that thought, promise, I get that premise.

SPEAKER 1: You know, Seat, you mentioned Seattle, I've never been to Seattle.

SPEAKER 1: But from people who have went that, I know they, they said it's a great city. They got sports teams there. Now, you got the NHL, you obviously have the Mariners, for baseball.

SPEAKER 1: I, I love the sea, in Seattle.

SPEAKER 1: So you're saying you would rather, you would rather be in Seattle than even like southern California.

SPEAKER 3: Potentially, even, even Las Vegas is weird because we, we do shows in Las Vegas, but when you're in Las Vegas, there's too many other distractions outside the show that takes a lot of the money out of the room. So with the gambling, all that.

SPEAKER 1: So, yeah, probably on a smaller level. Atlantic City a little bit. I mean, Atlantic City is not Las Vegas, not, not anymore. At one point they were sort of parallel, I think that those days are, you know, in the rearview mirror, but that's a good point with Vegas, right? You got a lot of other things besides even gambling, which that's probably number one, but you got shows and stars and there's so many other things.

SPEAKER 1: So, II, I mean, I appreciate the Odyssey. I'm surprised, to, to hear that. I mean, do you, do you, do you feel like there's more people that feel that way than just you do. Have you heard that?

SPEAKER 3: I've heard it. Yeah, I've heard it last because everybody's been talking trying, you know, hey, why don't the, doesn't the National, you know, come out west, you know, people have said Vegas. So Calligan Seattle even, Dallas, the Dallas Fort Worth area.

SPEAKER 3: But there's a lot of people that I know or I've talked to doing the southern California shows northern California shows that would just rather just go fly to Chicago or to Cleveland, you know, to do it. Or they would, even if, like, the Atlanta was brought up, they would even fly there.

SPEAKER 3: They just, they would rather have it outside of their area, you know, which I don't, maybe it's a, a travel thing. Maybe it's like, hey, I wanna leave my area to go, you know, visit this area and see what it's about or something like that or it's just a weekend, you know, get away or a week getaway for them.

SPEAKER 3: But a lot of guys, I, I talk to, they're like, they're, they're really, they don't care if it's there or if it's, it's not, you know, it's like, sometimes they're like, ok. Yeah, that's fine. I'd rather go to Chicago anyway, you know, and, and the one thing I want to clear up here too, I'm gonna be hated for it. This controversy. The Burbank Card show is not the West Coast National.

SPEAKER 3: It's not the National at all, it will never be the National. So, it, it's, it's a great, it's a great show but there's so many things you'll see at the National that you can never see any place else. Yeah, I tried to in a nice, nice way. You just always, somebody will always say, you know, oh, it's just like the National, I don't need to go to the National.

SPEAKER 3: Well, really, it's not, it's, you at the National, you're gonna see hundreds and thousands of different things that you will never see. Out here on the West Coast, you're gonna see the history, the history of baseball or basketball, football, you know, you've got gold in there. You've got all these auction houses with all these, one of one pieces. A Babe Ruth Bat that was there in Chicago.

SPEAKER 3: You know, the, the Panini, all the different things that you can do. You know, it's like I said, nothing knocking Burbank car show, great show, you know, Rob. You know, ej, everybody, great people, great people. But, and they don't say that it's the West Coast National.

SPEAKER 3: It's a lot of collectors that are saying it. But it's this, these guys got to remember that. It's, it, they're two different levels. You know, there's, there's so much that you're missing out. You gotta at least do the National once in your life if you're a collector.

SPEAKER 1: No doubt, it's the Mecca. I use, I use that term to and I agree with you guys. The National isn't, it's the National for a reason, until they do two in a year, which I honestly hope they don't. I know that's, that's come up, like doing two or I've even heard this, I'm sure you have two, doing two Nationals and having one be like Chicago and then having it alternate each coast as the other one.

SPEAKER 1: So we, there would be a Chicago go National every year. This is, a rumor I heard. I don't know how much truth or how much people are just talking. But what I heard is they, if they did two Nationals a year and one of them would always be Chicago just, like tradition and then it would alternate on each coast each year. So for like, let's say next year be Chicago and Seattle, somewhere in Anaheim.

SPEAKER 1: And then the year after that, it would be Chicago, Atlantic City or the, or Atlanta, somewhere on the East Coast. But I, you know, I almost, I, I think it's like a lot of things, right guys.

SPEAKER 1: And, and I'll get your take on this, the more you, if you overdo something, it's sort of, the bloom comes sort of off the rose, right? We look forward to the National every year because there's one National. It's sort of the same week. We, again, we circle it on our countenance.

SPEAKER 1: We tell our employers, and we tell our family, you won't see me these, you know, 5 to 65 to 7 days. I'll be in this city. It's my hobby. Vacation. I love you just the same. But I'll be back on this day and life continues, again. Right.

SPEAKER 1: I think we do two. I think it, it, listen, it's still gonna be a Card Show and, and big huge card shows and I get it and it'll still be widely attended. But I just think the aura will sort of, the glow will sort of dim a little bit.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not saying the lights will go out. They'll be, well, at both would be well attended. I just think some of the mistake in the luster will come off any time you do two or something.

SPEAKER 1: You know, when we think of even sport as one, one world series, there's one Super Bowl, there's one masters, there's one Daytona 500 if they did two Daytona five hundreds or, you know, they split the baseball season into like halves and they had a world series champion in the first half and then they did it again.

SPEAKER 1: It, you know, it's not the same. And so I'm not for two, Nationals kind of, you know, have you heard that? And, and your thoughts along those lines?

SPEAKER 3: I, I haven't heard the two but my thoughts. No, it does. It, you, you look forward to that once a year, you know, if it, it's not it's one of those things now that you'd be like, ok, I'm looking for something, look forward to something twice a year now. It just kind of takes away from all the excitement and the build up and, you know, you've got, that's your time.

SPEAKER 3: That's, that's guy time or, you know, if, if the wives go, you know, hobby, the women in the hobby, things like that, you know, that's, that's that time, you know, with, if you want to break it down, like, regionally and all that stuff, it loses everything, you know, especially if you do more than one a year, it just, it loses something.

SPEAKER 3: There's just, it just, it's gonna, after a while it's gonna be like, ok, I'm just gonna, you know what, I'm just gonna go to this show instead of bowl or they're gonna say, you know, there could be one on the west and, like, like you said, Chicago, most of them, some people are gonna go, well, you know, I, I know it's out here on the west, I want to go to Chicago.

SPEAKER 3: So 1 may get more attention than the other and it, it may or may not last, you know, it's just, there's just 11 show just gets that excitement going. And the, the other thing you got to think about, I'm poor. That's, that's gonna be expensive.

SPEAKER 1: That's good.

SPEAKER 1: No, it's, it's true. Right. It's, it's two, it's two weeks of hotel. It's, it's now two round trips dependent on airfare, depending on where you live and it's not drivable.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, it's, it's, I think what would happen guys, I think you said it yourself. I think people would be only selecting one. So people will still go to one and that's where the luster comes off, right? But one of the Mystique about the National is you got one shot at it every year, not two.

SPEAKER 1: And so if you can't make it or, you know, you know, we lost it the one year with, with COVID-19 and that, that stunk and people missed it and, and I think we were chopping at the bit when it, when it came back, right? Cause we, we missed one. I, I don't want to see two. I think it will, will hurt and I don't think we need two.

SPEAKER 1: Now guys for something you kind of already talked about. You got all these regional shows. Now you got the Burbank show. We have what's called the East Coast National here in, in White Plains, New York, which is a very good show, but there's only one National and you know, same thing they called East.

SPEAKER 1: And it's, it's, it's a great show. You've got Culture Collision in Atlanta. You got the Dallas Card show, you've got all these regional shows. I don't think you need two Nationals. I think if you, if you keep it to one National that Mystique and and everything surrounding it will, will maintain for the end of the end of time.

SPEAKER 1: I think you, you schedule two and it just changes the vibe, it just changes the feel and I think, I think some people will obviously go to buy. I know I, for, for what you said, I'm gonna, I would have to pick one, whatever one.

SPEAKER 1: And, and only go to one and that kind of stinks. I kinda like to look forward to going to the one National not having to pick which of the two Nationals am I going to, this year? I like the fact that there's only one and it's like time to make, you know, hotel and airfare and, and let's, let's kind of go.

SPEAKER 1: And, so I hope that, that rumor that I've heard toy about, I hope it stays. Just that, you know, I like to see it. I know Baltimore has been mentioned, Atlanta, like you guys said, I mentioned, it's funny, you mentioned Seattle. We did a hobby hotline show where we kind of talked what cities could the, you know, the National be in, in, in Seattle was one.

SPEAKER 1: I brought up. So, you know, you know, maybe we'll see that we, you know, powers that be will, we'll kind of be in charge of that and, and, and, and what not, but, you know, I hope they keep it, to, to one. So, kind of coming down the home stretch. So you guys, you know, I purchased my first card when I go to the National. I don't set up, as I said, I kind of go in there. I have a list of like 4 to 6 vintage.

SPEAKER 1: I, you know, I PC Hall Of Fame graded rookies. And so I, I have a list of 4 to 6. I'm trying, I, I'd be happy with knowing I'm not getting all four or all six. I try to get two or three. You know, your guys purchase my, my first purchase of this year's National was from you guys with, with the Bob Gibson and you know, funny story. My, my, my card match partner, Danny Black there.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I looked at and I kind of walked away. I was just kinda kinda gauging and he's like, hey, he's, I know he said to you, hey, he's looking for a Gibson rookie, you know, you treat him right or probably put you on the show. I didn't even know like he did, he did, he did that unbeknownst to me that's kind of we mess with each other. I'll make the story, a shorter one, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Obviously I made the the purchase. It's a great card. I'm happy to only take happy to own. It's actually behind me in, in the show your slabs case I blocked my big body is blocking it, but trust me, it's there.

SPEAKER 1: And so we'll have that story in the September sed. They chose that. We took a picture with me holding the card, with you guys and S CD. Sports Doctors Digest. I did a National kind of round up column form. I said I sent them a bunch of pictures for them, the whatever one you wanted to use and they ran with that one.

SPEAKER 1: So, yeah, the guys are, are in the S CD. I went, you know, with me holding the card and so whoever will forever be linked, at least that it makes sense now that you're like, I, you know, I'm a man of my word anyway.

SPEAKER 1: But like I really wanted to talk as a fellow dealer even though I don't do the shows like you do the same kind of shows, you know, I, I wanted to talk about that dynamic and how you acquired, how you, you know, how you get your stuff there.

SPEAKER 1: I think people are interested, you know, it's not, I dream of Jeannie and you wiggle your nose and like all your stuff next to your table. I think some people might think it works like that. Be nice. It'd be nice if it worked like that. But, but I, I love the dynamic of, of how you get there.

SPEAKER 1: How do you, how do you, you set up how you, how you acquire inventory. I think people find that, interesting. I know. I sure do and I, I'm sure, others do, as well. How many shows do you are in your rotation per year? Would you say?

SPEAKER 3: 10 to 15, maybe 10, 10 to 15, you know, that are, are, are set in stone and then we try to find some small ones. It doesn't matter the size does, you know, the shows, you know, small shows, the cozy shows are nice.

SPEAKER 3: You know, it means, you know, more to buy, you know, things like that. But we try to find things in between also. So 10 to 15 in, in stone and, you know, the rest of them, we just try to squeeze in where we can.

SPEAKER 1: All right. I thought one more question because it's, it's on one of my bullet points because it's a, it's a, an issue as a dealer myself sometimes and not so much now. But, but back when I had my store and even a little bit after that, I always had that dilemma.

SPEAKER 1: Like you acquire a card and you're like, ah, I kind of want to keep this, I don't want to sell it. Do you ever, is that an issue or are you pretty good at? Like, hey, this is a business and, and, you know, I call it attachment.

SPEAKER 1: Like I got somewhere, you know, attached even, even during my store days guys, I would have stuff like not out like behind the, you know, in the back room and my partner would be like, why aren't you selling that? I'm like, I don't, I don't kind of don't wanna like, I don't get you, man. Like, does that? You ever have that dilemma or not? Not too, not too much. We, we do.

SPEAKER 3: But we do this thing. It's called the stupid price.

SPEAKER 3: So we'll take the product and we'll put it in the case and we'll put a ridiculous price on it and if they want to buy it at that price, they can buy it. If not, it goes in a box and moves on with us.

SPEAKER 1: So, it, it is funny you said that because I, I do the same, I do the same thing.

SPEAKER 1: You know, so there's, there's cards that kinda like if, if someone wants to pay that, like, I don't know if they will but they can, they can take it. But if not, I, I still, I still own it and, and then.

SPEAKER 3: Sometimes you don't get the money. It turns into a great conversation piece too. Especially if it's something rare. You know, you just get more people talking about it just, just to talk to people.

SPEAKER 1: About things, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's, that is, that is true too. That's a great point is certain cards are conversation people, you know. One of the things I, I'm a big Jackie Robinson guy, about two years ago I got my, which was the 48 leaf Jackie.

SPEAKER 1: A lot of people that follow the show, know, know, knew about it. I kind of talked about it and then I got it and people that come to the shows that I set up that listen to the podcast said, hey, where's the Jackie? Where is it? Did you bring it?

SPEAKER 1: And I'm like, no, I'm not bringing, it's not for sale. And they're like, man, you should bring it and put it in the case and it's not that I don't want to. I, I don't trust myself. Like God forbid I lose it or I miss it or, you know, when we hear stuff being taken at shows, like it's more of like worth like all the thoughts that go through my mind.

SPEAKER 1: Like I get into a conversation with someone else and somehow someone, the case open. I look and it's gone, I'll be crushed, you know, and so it's not really for sale, you know, I've had other like, bring it, I wanna see it. I wanna, you know, hold it and I know I heard you talk about it for like a year leading up.

SPEAKER 1: I feel like I like there's a connection and I'm like, I just, it's not really for sale, but there are some cars not a that I'm attached to, but like you said, I'll, I'll bring price it. Like you said, at, at a price. That's probably not. Probably it is too high.

SPEAKER 1: But my, the, my thought is exactly the same. Right. If someone wants to pay that they're gonna own it and, and I won't. But other than that, it's coming back home with me. I just won't do that. I won't do that with the, with the Leaf Jackie. So I just have all these, like, doomsday scenarios going through my mind. So the worst.

SPEAKER 3: Thing is somebody will show up and buy it at your price. That's a great part.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And then I have to go try to find it. And that's the other thing, we, the market can sometimes be volatile and, and, you know, sometimes it's, it's harder to replace something than we think of. You know, I think we think it's easy but it's not always easy. Sometimes it is, but I mean, sometimes it's, it's not. So I just, I don't want to do the temptation.

SPEAKER 1: Ii, I have a big, you know, Fear Factor that something's gonna happen, it's gonna go missing and then I'm gonna really be mad at myself. So I don't do it. I, you know, I know people ask me like, where is it? Even to this day it's not even a new purchase anymore.

SPEAKER 1: And I'm like, I don't trust, I don't trust myself to bring it like, you know, so, you know, if I'm, if I'm close enough with you, I'll let you come over to my house, we can talk over, over a beer, so, you know, or whatever you want to drink. So, well, guys, I appreciate you. You're making some time and, and sharing some of that behind the scenes stuff. Funny story.

SPEAKER 1: What, what turns out to be a funny story with the missing luggage and, and cards would, would have thank thankfully. And but you know, give out where people can find what you're doing, what any website, Social Media, anything you wanna share where people can check out what, what you're doing. Ok, we're on Instagram.

SPEAKER 3: It's the sports bros dot Envy.

SPEAKER 3: Ebay is the Sports Pros on Ebay. That's, that's pretty much about it and just, we usually, we'll advertise where we're gonna be, you know, what shows next, things like that, please come up and talk to us. Yeah, just, yeah, anybody out there just, you know, we're, we're not, we're not bad guys just come by and let's have some laughs, you know, let's.

SPEAKER 1: Talk about and I, yeah, and I can attest to that personally and meet you guys. That was you know, fun and, and we talked a little bit and here we are doing it again, so check him out and I mean, how cool is that right? You get to do this stuff with your brother, right? I mean, that's pretty, it's fun.

SPEAKER 1: It's fun by yourself. And then you get to do it with your brother even, even more. So. Yeah, it's more, it's.

SPEAKER 3: More of a family thing too. Mom travels with us. She's 78. She travels with us and does all the shows too. So she's known as the sports, bro. Security. So, I mean, I love, I love, we got it all set up for her. She's, she's our security.

SPEAKER 1: That's awesome. Well, guys continued success.

SPEAKER 1: May I hope to see you, in Cleveland next year, I'm sure I'll see you one way or the other. Hopefully, maybe it's, you're, you're on the other side of the table from me again and I'll, I'll check another card, off my, want list. Again, we'll do, we'll do it all over again. Sounds good. It sounds great.

SPEAKER 1: All right, guys, take care. Thank you.

SPEAKER 1: You bet. Bye bye. All right. Thanks to Dave and Jim Childers. They're cool guys, man. They're, they're having a lot of fun, right?

SPEAKER 1: You know, selling and collecting cards and, kind of, I, I love that stuff. It's kind of con contagious. So, continued success for them. Appreciate them making some time, on today's show. So, I hope everyone is. Well, we're gonna see who's doing. Our hobby is the People segment this week and then we'll see you very soon.

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