Card Mensches E29 How'd we run the Hobby in 2024

SPEAKER 1: Hey, everyone. John Newman here. Thank you for downloading this episode of Card Mensches myself and Danny Black of Hobby News Daily would like to remind you this is a live show every other Friday at 9 p.m. Eastern. It can be found on most of our social medias. Danny's at Sports Ball and Hobby News Daily.

SPEAKER 1: I am Sports Car Nation Podcast and it can be found on our YouTube channels, at Hobby News Daily, Sports Carnation Podcast at Sports Bult and at card matches. So with that being said, we hope to see you very soon on a Friday night in our very active chat room. Now, let's start the show.

SPEAKER 2: We'd like to thank our newest sponsor, Stadium Insurance. Stadium Insurance.com for all your sports collectible and memorabilia needs. Remember? Stadium Insurance.com. Please get their app on the I Os or Android stores and download it now for full coverage.

SPEAKER 2: Hi, I'm Danny Black.

SPEAKER 3: And I'm John Newman.

SPEAKER 2: Welcome to Car Men.

SPEAKER 2: Well, hello, it's Card Men. Friday. John, how are you?

SPEAKER 3: I'm good. I'm doing all right. I'm, I'm, I'm walking up right still. So that's half the battle. I've got 29 you forgot.

SPEAKER 2: Episode episode 29 I was gonna introduce it. I was saying hello to you first. I wasn't raised on a farm.

SPEAKER 2: E episode 29 of card mens. This is John Newman who, who wants to make it clear it. Episode 29 is very important.

SPEAKER 2: How are you doing John? All right.

SPEAKER 3: And I, I feel like I'm battling an ear infection as you know, we, we talk but I'm not gonna bore people with that. But take, I'm on some meds thanks to my wife. And so hopefully, you know, I, so hopefully I'll regain hearing in my left ear someday again.

SPEAKER 2: We got Steven here. So if, if something goes wrong during the show, we got, we got him.

SPEAKER 3: Hello to, we could do, we could do a zoom, a Zoom med.

SPEAKER 2: Right. Exactly. But he'll send you the bill. You gotta be careful.

SPEAKER 2: Hello to everybody. I also want a special shout out to Warren who has started his own YouTube show. So Warren WW way to take the leap and good luck with that. Definitely you know, keep us posted and we'll check it out.

SPEAKER 2: No doubt. Yeah. Now I love seeing people take the leap. Papa Jim. Hello.

SPEAKER 2: Ruben. Oh, hello. I hope I got everybody at the beginning there. I got a lot of people.

SPEAKER 3: Orlando. Did you catch Orlando?

SPEAKER 2: I think I got Orlando if not a double ho out of Orlando and there we go. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER 2: Warren.

SPEAKER 2: Papa, Mike Petty is here and Warren says he's got a new video coming out tomorrow. So there you go. Warren, free advertising for you.

SPEAKER 2: And, and Coca Cola.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I'm drinking coffee today because real quick funny story. I I'm not gonna make this the whole episode obviously. So with this ear infection, I got, I'm taking Tylenol during the day just for the pain. I didn't miss any work, but I noticed that I was getting home from school and just really tired of taking naps.

SPEAKER 3: And my wife today said show said, send me a picture of the bottle of the Tylenol you're taking during your lunch at school. So I snap a picture at of the bottle. She goes, you're taking Tylenol, you're taking Excedrin PM. That's why you're falling asleep like so early. I had no idea. So in, in here in here there's coffee. So I hopefully won't fall asleep on today's episode.

SPEAKER 2: Ruben says that my coke would be a lot cooler if it had some Captain Morgan in it. Can'T, Can'T dispute that at all.

SPEAKER 2: You know, I love my I'm a big fan of.

SPEAKER 3: Argue with that.

SPEAKER 3: I won't argue with that or Jack or Brown.

SPEAKER 2: You're not picky, you're friends with everybody.

SPEAKER 3: I try to get along with everybody.

SPEAKER 2: That's very generous of you. Very magnanimous.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not saying I do. I just said I'd try. You're right.

SPEAKER 2: What we did want to talk about tonight though. If I, if I can steer back towards the show for a second, it took per second.

SPEAKER 2: What would we do if we ran the hobby in 2024? If, if we got the magic wand.

SPEAKER 3: That's my magic wand. You're stealing my magic wand.

SPEAKER 2: Oh, you can have the magic wand back. So imagine it's like, you know, like, like a magician and you can do it you want. That's what we're going for.

SPEAKER 3: Well, yeah. Well, listen, I did kind of a show on hobby quick. It's, I don't know when, where I kind of did this.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm gonna probably repeat some of that cause I'm pretty steadfast in my beliefs and, and I'm probably, when I talk about this daddy, I'm probably gonna come back, come at it for more of if I, my own fanatics, how I would produce cards. That'll sort of be my angle today. I think. I don't know about you, but that will be, that will be my approach.

SPEAKER 2: Well, then, then that'll be good. It'll be a good contrast because I'm gonna, I'm taking over the whole hobby. Ok.

SPEAKER 3: So, well, listen, fanatics. It's in a couple of years here. It's gonna be 75%. We're pretty close.

SPEAKER 2: 35% of, don't worry, you're on my list. All right.

SPEAKER 3: I'm gonna, I'm gonna channel my inner Michael Ruben. Speaking of list, a list came out this week that I'm, I'm happy to say neither one of us appear on Cheers to that.

SPEAKER 2: So speaking of Michael Ruben, are you gonna be invited to his White Party next year? If you're the head of United.

SPEAKER 3: If he listens to my show, no, if he does it, I have an outside chance, I just want, you know, listen, I don't know. I'm joking aside. I don't, I don't hate Michael Rubin. I, there's a super intelligent guy, super rich guy.

SPEAKER 3: I don't agree with everything he does, in his tactics but, you know, he's got more money than me and he's probably smarter than me. So that is what it is, I guess.

SPEAKER 2: Ok, my pet, he says 1976 was the best year in the history of men.

SPEAKER 2: You guys should both have your own Bowman chromium cards with Red Lava.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, but I, I'll only agree to that if our 101, there's on, there's three of them made.

SPEAKER 2: You need at least 310 ones. That's what's in the stage. It's cool with all the kids.

SPEAKER 3: All the cool kids dig it. Right. Exactly. So, when you could have 310 ones II, I.

SPEAKER 2: Wonder if that's not hinting towards, something on your list. Maybe.

SPEAKER 3: I think it is qua quantity over quality. Ok. Do you want me to start.

SPEAKER 2: For them all. Yeah. Go for it. Go for number one. All right.

SPEAKER 3: What if like, so I'm, again, I'm gonna come at it as if I'm fanatics. They own cops. Now all the licensing has already fallen into place. One thing I, I wanna see is more transparency. Danny. The one thing I would do this will never happen. This is a pipe dream of, of pipe dream.

SPEAKER 3: But if I could do it and I had the power to do it, I would, I would make my print runs public and I would try to number as many cards as I I can including the stuff that's not like low printed.

SPEAKER 3: So in other words, is it, if there's 750,000 of a base card, let's number those as crazy as that sounds people like number cards anyway. So I'm giving, I'm giving them what they want. Obviously, you rather pull a one of one than a one of 750,000. Because you know, if you got the 101, there's only three of those that exist, right?

SPEAKER 3: And if you pull the one of 7 750,000, you know that 1.5 million exists.

SPEAKER 2: Ruben has some ideas.

SPEAKER 2: If I were in charge, I'd reduce the number of products, make them more affordable to the younger, newer collectors. Ban sticker autos on card, only kids under 12 free to baseball games. Well, I'm not sure we're in charge of major league baseball, but yes, it's a good idea.

SPEAKER 3: Now, Ruben's working on that, on that.

SPEAKER 2: But John, I, I.

SPEAKER 3: I don't like Ruben but maybe with the help of Ruben Schneider to combine for things they can get that done.

SPEAKER 2: So my number one I think is, is a little different but, but it, you took the fanatics view. I'm taking the bigger view, But my number one on my list is to settle all the business between fanatics and Panini, all the lawsuits like the godfather. I wanna take care of all family business and, and, and you come in here, we're gonna meet and get this finally fixed. This is what I'm saying. You got it. Exactly right.

SPEAKER 3: You come to me on this day when I'm having John has signed all his redemption on leave the Wagner take the cannoli.

SPEAKER 2: So II, I would just make, I, I would be in charge. I would make a ruling whatever the case is. Bring it before me. Let's go by dinner time. We're home and we're settled and that's it. And then we can move on with our hobby. So that's my number one, we settle all the legal business. I don't want, I don't want this to be Night Court anymore.

SPEAKER 3: Who knew Card Mens was a fantasy sci fi show.

SPEAKER 2: The second they said John and Danny should be on for an hour.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's, well, and, and all, again, these are like, you know, all hypotheticals very few chances that all of this happens, maybe some of it does nothing. We said so far right now we're betting zero and, and probably, we continue, to bet zero.

SPEAKER 3: But, you want me to go again?

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I just want to say, I do know that's a pipe dream war, but this is my fantasy world And so it's driving me nuts and that, that's why I've put it. Yeah, John, go ahead. Number two on your list again.

SPEAKER 3: Again. You got me. I'm gonna kind of come from fanatics controls the hobby. 75% of it. So, what I would like to see him do being that they hold that much of the, the power. You know, I talked about transparency and print runs number and all the cards.

SPEAKER 3: I also like to see it and they sort of do this now, but I think they can do a better job with this. I wanna see product made for all levels of the hobby. So, sure you're gonna have, you know, your expensive products, whether that's, transcended or, or, you know, Diamond Collection.

SPEAKER 3: I know they have big, they did away with opening day. They, they changed Big League. It was kind of a better product, this year. But I like to see t even more tiers of pricing levels and then have a say, you know, I mean, once you give it to a store, right, the store can then charge pretty much anything they want, but make these products and have them stay at a certain level.

SPEAKER 3: So, a young lady or young man and who's, who's in the hobby and doesn't have the same discretionary income of me or you and others listening can still enjoy the hobby. You can still enjoy the rush of opening packs and packs. And when I say, like a lower tier product that doesn't mean you Can'T be good stuff in it that they can pull, you know, put a, a trout autos in there or whoever, you know, put chase cards in there.

SPEAKER 3: So there's still the chance of getting something of significance. Like I understand there Can'T be as much as in, $1000 box product. But still don't, don't water down where there's no interest in it. Right.

SPEAKER 3: You know, give something to the kids that are in the hobby. They're the future, you know.

SPEAKER 3: You know, we're not gonna be here forever and we need that next group coming up, to take the baton and the earlier you get someone involved in the hobby I got started as a seven year old kid and here I am 44 years later. Right. I probably wouldn't be in the hobby if I didn't start at seven. Now. I know it's a different hobby today.

SPEAKER 3: We have people coming to hobby now that don't have those stories. Right. I didn't collect as a kid but I, you know, COVID hit, I heard all about how the hobby was booming. And I bought a couple box. Those people exist. They're real. But I think a good percentage of people started, in their youth at some form or fashion. And so I don't think that should be lost even in today's modern day hobby.

SPEAKER 3: So create a product that's not watered down too severely, but is also still affordable for kids to, to rip, get kind of, you know, hooked on the house. I be enjoy it passionate and then they stay in it and then when they, you know, start working and get their careers and have more discrete, they can move up sort of those tiers if they so choose John.

SPEAKER 2: Using the model of selling crack for baseball cards.

SPEAKER 3: It's, it's similar, but I just left off the crack part.

SPEAKER 2: Mookie says John is less Michael Ruben, more Ruben sandwich.

SPEAKER 3: I like Ruben sandwiches.

SPEAKER 2: Mike Petty says that he's more Paul Rubens.

SPEAKER 3: Rest in peace.

SPEAKER 2: R I pr IP, underrated, underrated Comic Bob Ruben Ruben says, Danny, are your kids interested in the hobby? Do you ask them a question about what they like and what they dislike?

SPEAKER 2: That's a great question. Yeah. So, for those of you don't know, I have twin boys, they're gonna be third in a couple of weeks. And, they, one of my boys is very much a Pokemon collector and he's gone to card shows with me since he could walk. The other one has virtually no interest in the hobby and is a sports fan but no interest in the hobby.

SPEAKER 2: And my daughter, has no idea what I do for a living or why I'm in my office. So, that, that answers that. But to get, to get to your point and to get to what we were talking about, I also had on my list and I might as well just piggy back on it now. The, the prices are wax. They just need to come down.

SPEAKER 2: There is absolutely no reason I don't care about the secondary market that will take care of itself. If people want to pay for a card, they'll pay for a card on the secondary market.

SPEAKER 2: We don't need to support, breakers that, that, you know, or, or local car shops, they will be back. With, with, there will be plenty of buyers at a lower price. They're not gonna lose business.

SPEAKER 3: There will probably be more buyers. Listen, the lower something is, you know, economics 101 here, folks, right? The lower the price of is the more people are gonna purchase. I mean, and if you, if.

SPEAKER 2: You lower the wholesale cost, the margin can be the same Mike. I know it, it breaks my heart but he, he's a good kid. He gets A's in school.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So, yeah. No, no doubt. And listen, I'm not saying we make all kids products and nothing for the big boys who have big bucks that wanna partake in out. I'm saying create levels for everybody. Right? That can, and that way if you start at the bottom level as a young man or woman or kid.

SPEAKER 3: And then when you, when you're older and you've got your career and your job and then you wanna kind of, if you've never left, you just can buy bigger and better stuff. And that's, that's what I, that's what I mean. And, and you know, when I entered the hobby in 1979 Danny, there was no Pokemon and Yu gi oh, with magic to gather in at that time.

SPEAKER 3: So it was easy, man. I was a sports kid. I was playing sports at five years old. Right? You have kids today have a lot more pulling them a, a away from ca card collecting. And so you've got to gear stuff.

SPEAKER 3: You've got to be in their face and not only in their face, but there has to be something they can afford to buy because if it Can'T, they're, they're gonna ignore it and play by a video game, you know, by a Yu gi oh Pak or Po Ne and that's, that's a hobby too. And that's trading cards. I'm not.

SPEAKER 3: But, you know, as a kid who started at seven years old with a 1979 tops baseball pack, I'm, I'm being sentimental here here. But, II, I, you know, I love stories. I love seeing kids at shows, enjoying the hobby that we Can'T, there never can be too many that, that, that will never be a problem.

SPEAKER 3: You know, there could be, not enough that could be a problem. So, do stuff geared to get that next generation, locked in, and, and on the ride and, and I don't want to make it sound like they're captive but enjoying the hobby, building a passion for it, because that's, that's gonna be the next one.

SPEAKER 3: Can you be in a hobby and not, not partake in it as a kid? You can. But I think you're more apt to be, you know, I heard the word true collector. Right.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know what that really means. The true. But I think if you start at a young age, right.

SPEAKER 3: That definitely checks that back.

SPEAKER 2: I think, that I disagree with part of what she said and I agree with a lot of what she said. I think you have to have price tiers for kids and it should be available. However, I think they need to cut down on the amount of sets dramatically.

SPEAKER 2: I think it's too confusing. I think it hurts the, the, the, the, the market for, to a little bit they have, but there's still, how many, how many sets are going to be put out this year by tops.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know.

SPEAKER 3: But it's.

SPEAKER 2: It's, it's, it's when, when we grew up, you, you collect the set, you know, it wasn't, you know, 28 different sets.

SPEAKER 3: Aaron Gray. I like Rubin's comment. 1979. The Battlestar Galactica Cards. Yeah, I'm not, listen, nothing wrong with Aaron Gray's 1979 version.

SPEAKER 2: John King says cut down on sets in general. No, no one collects the sets.

SPEAKER 2: The new ones. That's true. I don't know how many people still buy the it.

SPEAKER 3: Does feel like set collected is more vintage, you know, and I'm gonna be honest with you, I used to collect sets now. I don't. So like, you know, some of that's just based on the, the size of where I can house my card. So I just don't have the room to chase sets like I did as a, as a younger collector. I don't hate sets. I just sort of adapted to the room. You know, I have Hodgson.

SPEAKER 2: Says fewer sets and fewer parallels would be a nice start, I think for, I think for kids and even adults, you know, and unless you really memorize all this, it's a lot of product out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: No, doubt. But you know, that's gonna be a tough one because why do they make the products? Right? Because they paid a lot of money for the licensing to produce them. So, and part of that contract like lingo and language is how many sets they're allowed to produce. And so they're gonna max that out and we might not like it but you know, there's a method to that madness and a reason.

SPEAKER 2: Why y yes.

SPEAKER 2: Lo love this comment. If I had a magic wand, I'd bring back Morgan of the kissing bandit for the kids.

SPEAKER 3: Now, here's the question, you know, is, is she still alive?

SPEAKER 2: Oh, I don't know that you just made that sad.

SPEAKER 3: Now, I wanna, well, like I'm not gonna Google right now but look, somebody looked that up and she's got to be what? In her eighties, nineties maybe.

SPEAKER 2: But I feel like I feel like we looked her up before. Now. It's getting freaky.

SPEAKER 3: I now I have this vision in her in my mind, you know, she used to run out there with things bouncing up and down onto the field right now.

SPEAKER 3: I could see her with a, you know, a walker rolling out there and obviously the players could easily elude her nowadays and I don't think they were trying too hard to elude her back when she was in her thirties and forties, but now they could definitely outrun her, with her walker, I'm assuming she's, and I hope she's still alive. You know, Mike.

SPEAKER 2: I don't know if she's really 76. But, that's, she, he says that she's 76 and Morgana was huge back in the day.

SPEAKER 3: Innuendos.

SPEAKER 2: He says Morgana is alive. Pee Wee is dead. Yes. Yes. We're just trying to find out details on Morgana. What's she up to? What's she doing? Does she watch card benches? These are things I wanna know.

SPEAKER 3: You know, what if, if there's a, if there's a sport she can still run on to the playing surface and get the athletes, it's probably the bowling alley, professional bowlers associate the PB.

SPEAKER 3: She just stands up because they Can'T run out to the, they Can'T run out to the, the alley and lane itself. So they only have, where you sit in that little area, that kind of, she's got them kind of cornered.

SPEAKER 2: I, I hadn't put that much thought into it.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I think I'm the fly. I, I haven't thought about it until just now, but.

SPEAKER 2: Ok, Mookie says a nice pickleball court from Organa.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. She might catch me. She might catch me there. Yes. Although even at 51 I think I, I think I can outrun her. I think, I, I think, you know, I don't know what if she's a Spry, 76 or not? Spry, you know, the question is, who is this?

SPEAKER 3: The question is, am I gonna try to outrun her.

SPEAKER 3: Exactly. That's to be, or not to be, to run or not to run.

SPEAKER 2: All right. Well, whose turn is it?

SPEAKER 3: I think, I think it's, I think it's my, it's your turn. Yeah. Well, listen, this is a selfish one. Right.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I like, you know, we, we went from Morgana and her assets to Acetate. Right. I'm a big fan of Acetate cards. So great segue. And you got to use it when you get it.

SPEAKER 3: As you know, and a lot of people listen to my content. I like a nice looking Acetate card. So I would bring back AAA completely a larger, I know cops did the, the clearly a larger ace, a larger Acetate set where every card is Acetate. That would be just purely selfish self serving.

SPEAKER 3: But you said, hey, if, if, if I ran hobby. So II I answered that question literally, if I ran the hobby, you'd have a 792 card Acetate set. I don't know if you'll make money on it because the production cost would probably be high enough. But I don't care. I would still like the cards. Yes.

SPEAKER 2: The chat room did not let me down. Ruben says John is an S a man, not a busty boy.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie ha ha.

SPEAKER 3: I will be on the back of my, get their card. I'll never get.

SPEAKER 2: Exactly Hodge just wanted to know. Are you really outrunning? Anyone on Tylenol PM.

SPEAKER 3: Now I tell I'll be, I'll be like the Gary from spongebob. Like, right now.

SPEAKER 2: I'm not sure that's just coffee. Folks. I'm not, I'm not in the.

SPEAKER 3: Room with John. This is coffee, this is coffee. Yeah. Not that I really needed it for.

SPEAKER 2: Here's something that drives me nuts.

SPEAKER 2: Can we get a release schedule? And instead we.

SPEAKER 3: Have, I mean, did you want it? You want it where they actually follow it?

SPEAKER 2: We have where the cards come out on the same day that they put on the calendar at the beginning. It's a big, that's a big ask. It's not as a big a, a tape, but it's a big ask.

SPEAKER 3: A big ask.

SPEAKER 3: No, I agree with you like, you know, II I think we have to give the co, you know, the COVID asterisk, but we're, I think we're past that point to keep using that as an excuse. So, yeah, IIII I don't argue that one and not only that.

SPEAKER 2: They make the release schedule. So push it back. If you're not gonna have it, make whatever date you want, just hit your date.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I just, I don't hit your date. Literally. That's we, we, we don't endorse that, but I'm, I'm, I'm in the door, open the door for your date. Yeah, so hit your date.

SPEAKER 2: Thank you. The public service.

SPEAKER 3: Now, the more you know, NBC.

SPEAKER 2: But I, I'm, I'm serious, I'm so tired of thinking that, you know, baseball's coming out in baseball season, football's coming out in football season and no, you're really gonna get football two years later, you're, you're gonna get, you know, everything in the wrong season, stuff's gonna drop without anybody telling you it's gonna come on the wrong day.

SPEAKER 2: You know, II, I think, I think it's, it's very unprofessional now and sometimes the hobby been, never been accused of always being professional and that, that was probably a ni, a nicer word than I would want to use. The only thing that comes out on time is hockey. I wonder why that is.

SPEAKER 3: Up or down. Even that, even that Ruben, has its moments too.

SPEAKER 2: But, his point I think is, is well made.

SPEAKER 3: No, no one is safe. That's what he really is saying. No one is safe.

SPEAKER 2: So that's, that's, that's my thing. I don't know if it bugs you but the release.

SPEAKER 3: Schedule, I don't think it bugs me as much as it bugs you. Probably because I just don't open that much modern anymore, quite frankly. Danny. I, I guess if, if I did and I was anticipating a release on the scale, I used to be back in the day. It would, yeah, it would probably bother me when I'm thinking something's coming on the sixth and the sixth shows up and the product doesn't I get it?

SPEAKER 2: Well, even if I'm prospecting and you know, I'm you know, a top 100 list is gonna come out or something's gonna happen coming out before or after that list could make a difference.

SPEAKER 3: So, no, II, I agree. I agree. Just, I don't know if we'll ever have on here again. There's just so many products and so many potential things that go wrong that can cause a production delay, a printing mishap you making, I am making excuses for them. Some of these are actually true.

SPEAKER 3: Some of them are just pure excuses, right? But you know, some of these, some of these, these printing factors, these car to Monday's like they, they all the car companies use them. It's like the same place.

SPEAKER 3: And so they're, they're, you know, there's only so many employees that they hit these deadlines and that's where some of these production delays off the line come from and, and that sort of thing. So, you know, I, I think, I think it's wishful thinking. I think they could definitely do better. I never be 100% accurate, but they definitely can hit better percentages than they are hitting.

SPEAKER 3: At the moment.

SPEAKER 2: Hodge is giving dating advice, reminding you to be nice to your days. They are high in fiber and antioxidants.

SPEAKER 3: I don't believe I've ever, I gotta be careful. No, no.

SPEAKER 3: Right on. I don't believe I've ever ingested. I almost said something else. A date like the actual fruit date.

SPEAKER 3: You know, not on purpose or that I'm aware of. No, IIII I might have been in a fruit cake that, like someone gave me and I pretended to eat and there was a date in the fruit cake and then when they didn't, when they looked away I just went and put it in my pocket.

SPEAKER 2: So, yeah, I don't do, I don't. Yeah, I don't do this. It's a.

SPEAKER 3: Pan of, to a nice pan of Tony is great.

SPEAKER 3: We were talking about fruit cakes.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, there's no fruit cakes on Hanukkah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Well, we should start the new trend, trend setting. All right.

SPEAKER 2: It's your turn trendsetter this.

SPEAKER 3: And so let me preface this next one by like, I know it's not gonna happen and maybe never happen again. And that makes me sad. But if I ruled the hobby and I could do whatever I want at two, I would grant upper deck Panini tops and maybe even leave licenses to all the sports.

SPEAKER 3: Let's get back to the way it was when you had multiple companies producing cards and competing against each other in real time to who was gonna make the best product. I think competition, you know, brings out the best in, in everybody.

SPEAKER 3: I think someone owning 75% of the licensing doesn't I think that breeds complacency. So I, I understand when I say this, that this is a pipe dream of all pipe dreams, at least for the, probably in my lifetime. It'll never happen again.

SPEAKER 3: I hope I'm wrong and I, you know, I live to 100 50, Yoda mu multiple car companies producing sports, you see, terrible Yoda impression. But I like to see that multiple companies producing different sports. Like it, like it was at one point and yes, there were some duds even then I get it.

SPEAKER 3: But at least you had someone pushing you.

SPEAKER 3: And it, it, it, it gave the consumer us right? Choices of what product we wanted to buy. Let me put it this way. I opened more 83 tops than 83 Don Rs. I opened more 84 Don Rs than I did 84 tops. Why? Brickley the designs, right?

SPEAKER 3: What I like better that particular year, the rookies back then were pretty much not exactly, but, you know, in the 84 donors and tops, there was a manly rookie in both of those, but I like the 84 donor design better. So I opened way more 84 donors. I like to see that. Again.

SPEAKER 3: But again, you know, I think we re in reality, we know that's more of a pipe dream than, than it happened again.

SPEAKER 2: Well, sadly, mine is probably as much of a pipe dream and it shouldn't be the Universal Registry. Can we finally have a Universal Registry?

SPEAKER 2: It iiii I it's the technology is there. We all know why it's not happening. PS A doesn't want to do it.

SPEAKER 2: It's, it's, it's useful. It's fun. It's good for the hobby. It, it, it, it is everything, the registry is supposed to be but you can get an honest answer and, and actually know, you know, between companies. So, for me there would be a Universal Registry.

SPEAKER 2: A and as a vintage collector, you know, that it drives me nuts that there's not right now.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, I love, I would love that. We're waving the same pen and you might have my, my pipe dream that I just said before. Yours, you just said now might be closer to reality than what you just said. And that's crazy to think about that, right? And when we talk about a set regis, you know, a, a graded card registry, right? Where do you draw the line though? Like, it's kind of like the B CS ball games, right?

SPEAKER 3: Where they picked the top four teams, right? If you're team number five, Florida State, yes, they got drugged. But they made an argument. Hey, we went undefeated. We should have been. So how do we do that with grading registries? Like does G ma get to be part of that registry? Does HG A? Is that like where do we, where do we draw the line? And who determines that?

SPEAKER 2: I think once a card goes into some of those companies, it's no longer a card.

SPEAKER 3: I don't disagree. But that's where the dilemma is gonna happen about a national registry. If I'm, if I'm g ma, like, they, they're a goofy grading company. No offense to anybody that works there. But like, they're not viewed at the same, lens as a P SAS EC CDC or, or even Beckett who's probably lost the, the biggest foothold in, in the grading card space.

SPEAKER 3: Right. They're not viewed on that. Are we going to accept their, their submission, you know, any, you know, are we gonna accept their grading as part of that registry? And like who makes that determination? So that's why I don't think you'll ever really see a, a true registry, right?

SPEAKER 3: And if we just say, OK, it's P SAS EC and CGC, let's just say that's what like, you know what I mean? Who? Yeah, and, or, and, but who makes that rule up and who decides, and then whoever doesn't get in, let's say they're gonna be like, hey, this, this registry is not accurate.

SPEAKER 3: It doesn't list what we've graded in there. So I would love to see one. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see one. But like you said, that would mean that these companies have to, would be, have to be more on the same thing, age and sort of working with each other on some sort of level. And I just, I don't ever see that happening.

SPEAKER 2: Question here from Mookie is a Beckett vintage graded slab equal to PS A or SGC in a Universal Registry. Grading standards are tough to make universal. Exactly what John just commented on.

SPEAKER 2: E exactly part part of the problem.

SPEAKER 3: Well, so here's, here's my, here's my solution to that. If a so a pseudo solution, each company should have their own registry. So you can go and see. So if you wanna see, I'll just take a card. You wanna see 1980 tops, Ricky Henderson Rookie, you can go to PS A. You can do that right now that they have one and say, hey, how many cards is PS A?

SPEAKER 3: How many Ricky Henderson tops rookies PS A graded. What's the percentage that graded this? Then if sec had that, you could go there Beckett. And if every grading company did their own registry, you could kind of get a synopsis of a card in this, in this example, you know, you're never gonna get them all working together. I think that's where the pipe dream comes in.

SPEAKER 3: But if every grading card company to themselves can create their own registry. And then someone else like Ryan Censky from gem rate could do maybe call all that information together and make sort of a national record. You're not, they're not gonna do it on their own, but maybe one of the, each did their own. You could get all that information together but.

SPEAKER 2: It's not just even the information of, of the, how many are graded. It's literally like the people who's, who enter their cards into the registry sets and registry collectors. And if you sign up and that makes it a lot harder to cross.

SPEAKER 3: Over and, and you know, these reports are not accurate either, even, even the ones that do have registries, right? Because people are racy nose and then resubmitting them and they Can'T, they Can'T track that. At least not at this point and not accurate.

SPEAKER 3: So, you know, it could say there's 1000 you know, Mike Trout, update rookies graded eight, but there could be 200 ops a eight Trouts that people just cracked and either sent him to another Grady company or resubmitted back to PS A, let's say, to try for a higher grade and maybe they got an eight again.

SPEAKER 3: And so, and now it's 1000 1, but it's actually the same card twice. So a registry tells the story, but it's not the whole story and the whole story will never be completely 100% accurate.

SPEAKER 2: I can tell you the whole story, but then I'd have to kill you.

SPEAKER 3: Mike Petty says I'll do it when I'm like 75 if I even make it that far and I don't have much time left anyway.

SPEAKER 2: We've got at least a couple of minutes. Don't worry. The registry is about as stupid as I appeal and breaking in my humble opinion. I like, I appeal.

SPEAKER 3: I'm a, listen, I'm an I appeal guy. Are you a third?

SPEAKER 3: As some, as someone who has some, I appeal cards. I like I appeal, but I get, I get the comment itself. The register. It's nice. It's nice, Mike. It's not the end. All, be all as you just pointed out. I agree on that front, you know, but it gives you something to work with. Right. It kind of gives you a, a starting point.

SPEAKER 3: If you will, it's better than nothing. It's better. I, and it's, it's better having it than not having it at all. Is it completely accurate as I just pointed out and, and with your comment, no, it's not, but at least it gives you a general idea of what's going on with a partic, a particular card or set.

SPEAKER 2: The registry is important to set builders. That's a good.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, it's, people use the registry for different reasons. Right. They, they, no one, I don't want to say no one uses for, you know, some people use it for but it, it has different U usages, right. How many set complete graded sets exist? How many P A nines are out there? You know, I have the only one. It's a pop one. Gem 10, right. We know there's only three PS, a 1019 52 tops mans. We know that you know it.

SPEAKER 3: And so it does have a meaning and a purpose. Again, it's not always going to be accurate, but in some cases, I think it is accurate. I, I think there is three PS A 10 mickey is graded. That's not to say there's not a PS A 10 shape one sitting in a binder somewhere or, a cigar box, potentially, not likely, but it's not impossible either. But we know that there's three in slab with that grade. How come you.

SPEAKER 2: Never find cigars in a baseball box?

SPEAKER 3: How do you know you don't? Good point? You assume, you assume that.

SPEAKER 2: You know what happens when you assume that's, that's on me.

SPEAKER 3: I have to take cards.

SPEAKER 2: All right. I had Universal Registry.

SPEAKER 2: I think you covered it well for me. Thank you. Your turn.

SPEAKER 3: Oh man, how do I follow that one up?

SPEAKER 3: You know, it's the I I this one's the low hanging fruit, right?

SPEAKER 3: The redemption issue, right? No one likes the redemption cards. You wait 15 years.

SPEAKER 3: You know, if you ever get it, you hear people playing that? I agreed to a replacement instead of the, the original card. It didn't live up to the billing. It wasn't equal value. You know, fanatics has said they're really gonna try to phase out redemption cards as much as they can.

SPEAKER 3: So I think this is something we're gonna see a better job with. So the less redemption cards the better. But as I've always said, even on Sports Car Nation, I sometimes to get an autograph of a guy or a player or an athlete or even a celebrity.

SPEAKER 3: You have to, you have to sometimes have it in redemption form. So I don't wanna necessarily wipe them all out across the board. But II, I think I, I think most people agree with me. Less, less is more right? Or less is better.

SPEAKER 3: So less redemptions. But if you know, if the, if the redemption card is the only way you can get Harrison Ford into a Star Wars product or, you know, sh a show, a autograph into another product, then it's kind of a necessary evil if you will.

SPEAKER 3: But the less we see of them, I think the better because it just no one loves redemption cards, right? No one ever said. Yeah, I send in my redemption and I got it back 10 days later, right? Very, very rare.

SPEAKER 3: Most of your favorite, the word redemption, you know, the word redemption used to mean like it used to be a good word like they someone redeemed themselves. It's a redemption story, but the hobbies kind of ruined the word redemption.

SPEAKER 3: Right. And now it's got a negative connotation with Bob Marley's.

SPEAKER 2: Redemption except with Bob Marley redemption song.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's a great song.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So so the less, the less we see a redemption, I think the better. But I, I don't also wanna like eliminate someone getting a great autograph by eliminating redemptions 100%. So a little them as much as possible without eliminating a person's autograph from being in a product.

SPEAKER 2: Yes.

SPEAKER 2: Which kind of ties into my next one? Which is, well, here, let me read Brian's comment first. Brian says they can do a better job with which sets have redemption sets that release later in seasons could have a longer lead times to get the cards made. Yeah, that, that's true.

SPEAKER 3: It's, that's a great point. Here's the other thing they could do. They'll never do this. But I thought about this, the reason these redemptions are late, right? Is because the design of them matches the set, right? What if we just said, listen, you know the show, hey, Autograph is not going to necessarily be the same design as that year set.

SPEAKER 3: So you, you know, they they just have, they just make a show a card for him to sign 1000 of them and they can be put in any release, whatever they so choose and however they want to break it up. And so the set design doesn't have to match the audit. I should say it this way, the autograph card design doesn't have to be an exact match to the set design.

SPEAKER 3: Now, I know some set purists will say that's blasphemy John, I want my autograph card. You know, I'm a master set builder. I want the autograph set to look just like the base cards, except obviously with the autograph, added to it. But if you could get past that where it's not an exact match. I, I'm not opposed to that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think people just want the card. That's my point. So you might get, you know, you might get the autograph card sooner. It's just not going to look like, you know, the Bowman best design that, that you pulled. You're saying they have a kind before they make the set and then they can determine what product they put the redemption cards in.

SPEAKER 2: Interesting. That's actually not a bad idea.

SPEAKER 2: Mike Petty wants a redemption for a pepperoni pizza. Mike. I had a pepperoni pizza tonight and I had a potato, white pizza, which was out of this world. So I just like to rub that in.

SPEAKER 2: Warren says now I'm hungry but I'll bust my diet.

SPEAKER 2: I've got to be careful which ones I put here wasn't fla aut, autograph, I think.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think Fleer did something like that where the design wasn't the same as the set, it came out of.

SPEAKER 3: I'm sure it's not the only time it's happened. But if, if collectors would agree, you know, kind of say, ok, like kind of sign off on that I would, but I Can'T speak for everybody but I would listen, you, you, you're getting to play like a show. A autograph is a show. Hey, autograph. Regardless of the design, right?

SPEAKER 3: I'm not talking about the numbering of the card. A show. Hey, number to 10 or show that, hey, number to 50 you're gonna have different values. But the design really doesn't change that dramatically. The, the price level of a card. Unless it's an ascent take card, then I'm gonna like it more.

SPEAKER 2: You're, you're really pushing me your acetates.

SPEAKER 3: To, I like, I like Acetate. I cannot lie.

SPEAKER 2: All right, he, he will accept donations.

SPEAKER 2: All right, we're, we're on the home stretch. I, I have one more.

SPEAKER 2: I don't know how if you have any more, but I've got one last thing I'm.

SPEAKER 3: Thinking of on the fly man. I'm not even, I didn't make a list. That's how, that's how old and long I've been doing this. I can just do this off. The top of my head was trying to show off. No, I don't know if that's showing up. Like I Can'T re like useful stuff. I had to move useful stuff out to put this stuff in. So I don't know if that's really show, I don't know if that's really showing up.

SPEAKER 2: True story. My mother asked me one time, why do I fill my head with so much sports? Can I use that space for other stuff? Mother, it's not a limited amount of space, but I appreciate that.

SPEAKER 3: You only have so much square footage in your brain, whether you, whether you believe that or not. Right.

SPEAKER 2: Ruben says that Pizza Land your Mr Baltimore Physique title for 2024.

SPEAKER 3: I, I'm, I'm not before, before.

SPEAKER 2: The Pizza Reuben. Don't sorry about that.

SPEAKER 2: All right. My, my last thing here is that I, I wish that more people, in the hobby would have a perspective of how much of the hobby is not on social media and not in content creation. I, I think it, we really get lost in this rabbit hole and new cycle of, of whatever is going on in social media and, and, and it really gets blown way out of proportion sometimes and then it can make it almost unfund to, to follow hobby media.

SPEAKER 2: So, my, my, my hope is that we understand that, that you can hobby off social media, that things on social media are a small, small portion of the hobby and that we get a better perspective of where the hobby really is and how many cards and how many people collect that don't care at all about YouTube or Instagram.

SPEAKER 3: It's a great point. Did you, did you, like, were you over my shoulder this afternoon? Started to write my next article for Hobby News Daily. And it's gonna, it's going to be one of the focuses.

SPEAKER 3: It's gonna be very, I don't wanna say eye opening it, it was not that dramatic, but basically the articles are gonna be focused on, like, stuff you don't need to be in the hobby and collect and, and you made that point, probably 80%. Maybe even a higher number. Don't li, I hate to say it, but it's true. Don't listen to podcast. Don't watch YouTube videos.

SPEAKER 3: Don't follow social hobby, social media influencers. Right. And that's nothing wrong with that. You don't need those things to be in the hobby. And that's not to say, I don't appreciate everyone that listens to Sports Car Nation or this show, card matches or Hobby Hotline or anything else. I'm involved.

SPEAKER 3: I appreciate those folks. I appreciate them all the more. Or knowing that there's a 20% of the hobby that does and yet there's 80% that don't, but to truly enjoy the hobby. All you need is a little bit of a budget and sort of what, what direction you wanna go. You don't need me or Danny or anyone else telling you anything or any, you know, or for that matter.

SPEAKER 3: Right. You can make your own decisions. We appreciate people who do consumer content, but that's not a prerequisite when I started again back in 1979. As we all know this stuff didn't exist yet. I didn't need it to start my journey into the hobby. And even in 2024 you don't need social media to hobby.

SPEAKER 3: I, it's nice if you enjoy it, but it's not a prerequisite. Right. And so it's, it's a great point. Right. It's one I, I, it's weird you brought that up because I literally started that, that, article this afternoon. It's not done. But I started it this afternoon and you can enjoy the hobby.

SPEAKER 3: You know, and that's the other thing, you can be kind of a, you can do it on your own, You can do it in a group, with friends. There are people you, like, but you, you, you know, the only thing you need is what you wanna collect in a budget. Right.

SPEAKER 3: And, you know, you hear people say, oh, the hobby is too expensive. Now, I'm getting priced out and I'm not gonna argue that the hobby is not expensive. I'm not gonna be disingenuous. But there's things you can still do on a budget and still be involved, in the hobby. So, it's a great point.

SPEAKER 3: You know, and, and maybe that's kind of what I would say is my last thing is, like, you know, make your own decisions. Like you, it, it's nice if you value mine or Danny's or other people's opinion. But at the end of the day, right, it's, you're just, like, I always say, you're the CEO of your hobby company and you can make the final call or your own call on whatever you wanna do.

SPEAKER 3: And that's the beauty of the hobby and so you don't need all these extra things. Sometimes they're nice. Sometimes people enjoy them. But if you don't, that's ok too. And I think, that's what you were kind of saying.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. No. Ab, absolutely.

SPEAKER 2: And I had a point I wanted to make and now I totally forgot it. It was brilliant.

SPEAKER 3: You, yeah, blew your mind.

SPEAKER 2: Just really, really did.

SPEAKER 2: Let me read a couple of the comments. Catch up a little bit here. Warren says, just find your path your way. You don't need lots of cash to get cool stuff. That's very true. That's why my wife married me.

SPEAKER 2: Because I don't have any cash to get her cool stuff. I use the YouTube channels to share my dad jokes and someone might laugh. Nobody at home thinks I'm funny. Old card guys. Do. I agree with a lot of that.

SPEAKER 2: Like petty. Yup. I agree. Do what you want if you enjoy getting your teeth kicked and go right ahead. Listen to guys like flip Wilson.

SPEAKER 3: But here's the thing. Like, you know, I get it. You know what I mean? People like to give advice. I've done it too. But at the end of the day, right. You know, I think sometimes not everybody, I think there's a certain percentage of the hobby. Probably small, which is a good thing that do collect based on.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, I want I wanna get likes when I post this or so. And so told me to buy this player or not by this player and I get it. You know, I'm not saying listen to a vice is a bad thing. But at the end of the day, let the final decision truly be yours. I've listened Danny's influence stuff that I've done. Why?

SPEAKER 3: Because I agreed with it, not because I felt pressured to. Right. And so that's, I guess where I'm, I'm going with this, like, it's ok to get another opinion or, an outside opinion. But at the end of the day, do collect what you love and what you enjoy.

SPEAKER 3: Not what someone else tells you that you should love and enjoy because they're not gonna be in your room or in your binder looking through it or looking at it when it's sitting on your desk. Right. You have to, at the end of the day e enjoy it. And sometimes I think we put too much emphasis on, on value. Right. Everybody. And I, I'm guilty of it too.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not, you know, what's this worth? And it's nice to have something that's valuable. Anyone that tells you they don't care what their cards are worth. I don't think they're being 100% fruitful but don't let that be sort of the guiding factor 100% to why you, acquire something or enjoy something. You know, I have cards.

SPEAKER 3: I like that. Yes, are expensive. I have other cards. I love that are $20 or less. So, you know, at the end of the day, collect what you enjoy and love not on what someone tells you and not just on the dollar sign. And I think you'll ultimately be the happiest. When you, when you do that, I just.

SPEAKER 2: Post in the chat.

SPEAKER 2: Any cards that anybody is looking to collect in 2024 since we're looking forward.

SPEAKER 2: And Warren mentioned the Marri rookie card. That's a, that's an interesting sneaky by it.

SPEAKER 3: Is it is because there's a chance at some point he might get into the hall of fame. You could make an argument he probably should be in. There's some other guys that are in that I would say Marri was a better player than I don't wanna make this, you know, we're, we're winding down here. But, yeah, it's probably an under undervalued card, an underrated card.

SPEAKER 3: You know, but, and there's a, there's a lot of those, right? I think they'll stand usual Tony Gwynn's another guy that checks that box for me. Greg Maddux in the pitching categories, under, underrated, undervalued.

SPEAKER 3: Many more we could do. We did, we did that show already overrated, underrated. And even if you go back to pre-war this guys that you could do that with. And so again, collect cause you wanna collect those players. And if it, if the reason is because they're undervalued or underrated, that's a, that's a good enough reason for me. So I won't argue with you.

SPEAKER 2: A bunch of people stuff they're collecting.

SPEAKER 3: I just wanted to that. I'm reading Dr Mayer's Trubetsky.

SPEAKER 3: No, I don't, I'm not saying I don't have any truby cards. I don't collect Kissy.

SPEAKER 2: Ruben is looking for More Hall Of Fame Diamond Kings and, PS Autos A 70 a 57 Clemente, Hodges six tops, Jackie Gray card.

SPEAKER 2: Back collector. Go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER 3: No, no, I mean, and this, I love seeing what people are hunting for this year. Right. And that gives you, you know, gives you goals to set. I'm not always a goal guy when it comes to like the hobby or, or, but I have a li I have a list, right. And I went in the last Nationals. We talked about trying to get a Sr and Clemente Rookie did not get those. So those remain on my want list this year.

SPEAKER 3: And, and, you know, if you look at my watch list, it can be an expensive car and it could be, you know, a, a cheap Peyton Manning rookie. So, it's, it's, it's an eclectic sort of list and that's the beauty of the hobby. It doesn't always have to be four figures, three figures or even two figure cards all the time. It's up to you and your budget and what you enjoy.

SPEAKER 2: And how much you're allowed to spend.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, you, you know, you can have your own separate account if you're a married guy.

SPEAKER 3: You didn't hear that from me though.

SPEAKER 2: I was wondering how far you were gonna go on that one.

SPEAKER 2: Replace my m 116 hus that was jammed in the PS A slab. I had to send it back in 2019. That's crazy. Yikes. I wanna hear that story one day, Mike. All right.

SPEAKER 3: I almost don't want to hear that story. So it sounds like a horror movie. It's, I.

SPEAKER 2: Mean, it's, it's crazy really? They're getting rid of the baggies, you know, they're switching to a new, new holder.

SPEAKER 3: We could do the whole show on Grady too, you know, if we go there. So that will be my last one real quick. I don't want card companies and they're not really now and I hope it remains that way. I don't want card companies getting in the grading space.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not talking about like G CS, you know, works a deal with Tops like, hey, 2022 23 Bowman Cards, all nine bucks. But, you know, fanatics when they first got the licensing for baseball and bought Tops, they talked about doing their own grading. I don't want to see that the conflict of interest, I would never submit cards to a grader that grades their own cards.

SPEAKER 3: And I, I just hope it remains that way.

SPEAKER 2: I agree with that. I agree with you that, all right. Well, we made it through 29.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, episode 29.

SPEAKER 2: So we're, we're, we're, our first one in 2024. So, this is now our third calendar year.

SPEAKER 3: Is it really? We started in 22.

SPEAKER 3: Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Where does the time go? Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So it is like, I'm not even being funny. That's, I didn't even realize that till you said it. Like things that make you go.

SPEAKER 2: Dylan, you didn't miss anything. We're on YouTube.

SPEAKER 3: We're on YouTube and this, the audio comes out on Mondays. That's a great segue. Thank you, Dylan. Whether you're watching us live, as I always say, we really, really appreciate you because I, I'll say it, we have one, the best chat rooms in the history of chat room, not just hobby, just chat rooms in general. I'll say it. I don't care. People probably like you nuts. I am.

SPEAKER 3: But I still said it. And, you know, and if you download the show on Monday, we appreciate you as well. You don't have to do that yet. You do. So, so I, I love the chat room and I still love the, the folks that just listen. I get it. You don't want to see our faces. I understand why you just want the audio. I, I get that the more pizza Danny eats. I, I, and I eat pizza too.

SPEAKER 2: So, well, Mookie said we should just start over for, for All right, take it from the top.

SPEAKER 3: Welcome. Episode 29. Did I hit record? No one and Chat Lee. We're doing this again.

SPEAKER 2: All right, two weeks from now we will be doing it again.

SPEAKER 2: Episode 30.

SPEAKER 2: And this time I want, I'm gonna try something different during the week. I wanna try to solicit ideas from people, see what they want us to talk about.

SPEAKER 3: You know, we, we, we, I don't want to say I was gonna say we joke about the chat room. We don't joke about like I, we have a great chat room. There's not fun about that. That's not tongue in cheek but guys, any, you know, it don't even have to be live in the chat room but send us a ad M or an email or something.

SPEAKER 3: That's so a show you or a topic you want us, to cover the more we do these shows. Let's be real, you know, like we just talked about, our brains are only so large or so small.

SPEAKER 3: So we can only think of so much. So if you have a topic, you know, hobby wise that you, we haven't covered that you wanna see us tackle our doors are, are more than open. I've, I've, I've always been like that since my first content piece in 2018.

SPEAKER 3: I've, I've done shows and credited someone who said I, I've given credit to so and so, hey, this is so and so mentioned this to me. So this show is exist because of them and, and saying, and I'll let you add on to that Danny by all means, if you have a topic, idea, something you want us, to cover. Yeah, give it to us. We'll probably do it if it's, if it's, good enough and interesting and most likely will be.

SPEAKER 3: And, and maybe even have come on and we'll, I'll tackle it at the same time.

SPEAKER 2: Absolutely.

SPEAKER 2: I need to play something and then we're gonna get out of here. How does that sound? All right.

SPEAKER 3: I can only hear you out of one ear, but it sounded ok.

SPEAKER 4: We are proud to partner with SGC grading. Check them out at www dot go SGC.com.

SPEAKER 2: All right, my friend. It was always a pleasure, to the chat room, echo everything John said.

SPEAKER 2: Appreciate it as always. Good, good group is always glad to get to know everybody a little bit more every week. And, you know, like we said, Warren started a channel Orlando. So definitely check out, everybody's shows, you know, support each other.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah. Very great point.

SPEAKER 2: All right on that note, say goodbye John, goodbye John.