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"Basketball Card Hall of Fame Pt.2 w/ Ray & Tony" E406

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Ray Fonio and TJ is Online-the men behind the Basketball Hall of Fame return for part 2 in discussing the candidates in both the Vintage and Modern card class for the 2nd induction. Collectors can vote on their favorites. I disclose who I voted for this year.

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Sports Card Nation. What is up everybody? Welcome to episode 406.

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Happy to be back. We have part two. With Ray

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Fonio and TJ is online, we are going to talk

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about the Basketball Card Hall of Fame. Voting is open.

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Go vote. I'm sure it will be mentioned during the episode,

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but if you miss it, where to vote, I will

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put it in the show notes. Everyone gets to vote

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once for their four cards they want in the Basketball

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Card Hall of Fame. There's two classes. You have your

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modern class. card class and you have your vintage card

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class and it's the second annual this again this is

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part two so if you want to go back a

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week and catch part one I'm going over also I'm

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giving away what who I voted for just being transparent

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not trying to influence your vote your vote is your

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own so a lot of great candidates and A lot

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of great cards, obviously. So, you know, pick out your

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favorites that should be in the Basketball Card Hall of Fame.

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So part two with Ray and Tony. But as always,

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the Certified Trading Card Association. So with all that being said,

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let's get this show started.

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Attention, Sports Card Nation viewers.

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Oh, we're back. Ball is back.

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The hobby never ends.

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And before you know it, I'm going to be on

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your screen again, rocking that octobox, knocking the bottom out

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Let's have a great season, people. Then we're going into

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the food and beverage. I always do like my hot

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dog cards. The 1960 cons Jerry West rookie card.

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It's, this is nice. I, I, I, I wanted to,

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but I didn't. It's funny. Cause I, I, I, I

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saw it and then I'm like, I like it, but

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let me look at the rest of the ballot before I,

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before I, I vote. So I didn't vote for it.

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You'll see who I've been. The three other ones that

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I did vote, but it was on the cusp for me.

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Okay. 1961 Flair Bull Russell, which is his second card.

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Another great card. That whole set is tremendous. Again, I

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think I lean towards rookies. I'm not saying I'll never

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vote for this card. But whatever, what other guys on

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the ballot, I sort of abstain from voting for this card.

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61 Flair Elgin Baylor rookie card.

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Yeah, I voted for this one, guys. This is my

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number two. Again, another guy. Man, you know, when we

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think about the 60s and 70s, there's so many great

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players that we don't talk enough about. And Elgin Baylor.

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Elgin Baylor.

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Elgin Baylor is one of those dudes, man. Like, you

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look at what he did, and it's just we don't

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recognize it the way we should. And so I'm not

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going to do that to him on the card front. Mm-hmm.

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I voted for him.

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Good pick.

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It's also a tough card to get graded by PSA

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because of where it was on the sheet, and a

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lot of them are cut short. So the Elgin Baylor

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has the width problem, and then you've got the Jerry

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West 1961 Flair card, which has the height problem. It's

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usually cut short.

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I think I voted for this. We'll come back. I

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think this was my third, but I'm not positive. I'll

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know when we see the rest.

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I had you with something else. I had you with this.

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This card is on my list. I almost bought one

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at the National. I came very close. Man, we talk

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about underrated players, guys. This guy might be the poster child.

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This guy averaged a triple-double.

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All around player season. Yeah.

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Like we, we, you know, ESPN makes a big highlight. Hey,

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you know, so-and-so got a triple double tonight. This guy

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got one every night.

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Right.

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And like, to me, he's one of the, he's right there.

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Top five, top 10. This is a card. Even though

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I do more baseball and football, this card is probably

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right there on the top of what, what I want

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to add to my basketball list. Like I said, I

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almost bought one. I didn't get it, but it'll remain

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on my list between now and the next national as well.

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So this, to me, I think I voted for this

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last year, too. I know it didn't get in. So

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it's one of those where I'm going to vote for

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it every year, guys, until I can't vote for it

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no more and it gets in. So there you go.

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He's so underrated that I made a recommendation yesterday of

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Elgin Baylor. Cause I was hearing a lot about LeBron

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James and Jordan and obviously Jordan deserves it. And so

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does James on some aspect, but when I brought up

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Elgin Oscar Robinson to this Instagram person who knows basketball,

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supposedly he's like Oscar Robinson, who like.

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You never heard of him. Yeah. That's yeah. That's him.

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That's your new phone.

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Who dis?

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How can you not.

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Know the big O? I have no idea.

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Anyone out there, honestly, I like to be educational. Maybe

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you're young. You're not familiar with him. I get it.

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It's not a fault on you. You can't control whatever

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you're born in. But if you're not familiar with Oscar Robinson,

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go Google him and look up some of the stats,

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stuff about him. It's just You'll be really surprised, especially

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if you don't know. Like, I'm not surprised because I

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know Ray and Tony as well. But if you're not

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familiar with them, look up. You're going to be some

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of the stats you're going to see and accolades are

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going to like, how do I not know this guy?

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Right. And that's what this Hall of Fame is. A

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lot of a lot of it has to do with

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this Hall of Fame is educating people who the younger,

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especially 35 years old, don't know these guys. You know,

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like I don't, I didn't know who, you know, Trish

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Speaker or Roger Hornsby was, you know, whatever, you know, but,

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you know, cards led you to that and research.

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It can be educational. Yeah.

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That's how I found that about these players. That's how

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I helped myself to get better at reading also.

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Sports cards. That's why that dude should know Big O.

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He should know it. Even if you don't, if it's

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before your time.

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Next card, 67, 68, Tops Test, Wilt Chamberlain.

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Yeah, it's a great card. Again, I didn't vote for it.

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I could have. You know, I was starting to weigh, like,

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which one's going to be my last one. I didn't

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vote for this or the next one, which is the

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69 top. Which is a great, you know, his thing

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was he played with so many other great players. You

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almost forget about him unfairly.

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Now him, I saw playing Havlicek.

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Yeah, I did, too.

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Havlicek steals the ball. Havlicek steals the ball, right?

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Yep.

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Good shooter.

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1969 Tops, Wilt Chamberlain, number one.

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Yeah, great card. Like you said, that number one card

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is going to have some rubber band marks around it

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for sure. So condition sensitive. But I didn't vote for it,

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but just because I believe myâ I want to see

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the rest of the candidates, but I think I did

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vote for the Jerry West rookie. Less one of these refreshments.

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When I got back into the hobby back in 2018,

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I didn't buy my first basketball card until 2022, and

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this was the first card that I bought in 2022,

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the 69 Wilt. It was just an iconic card growing

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up for me. Yeah, even though he's not wearing a

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Philadelphia jersey or a uniform, but, you know. 1969 Tops,

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Earl the Pearl Monroe.

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Greatest nickname in basketball.

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Earl the Pearl. Was this a no?

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No, I didn't vote for him.

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Okay.

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Again, you can't vote for everybody, so I had to

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be selective. I will say this. I did vote for

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the Jerry West, but it came down between the next

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card you see here, the 70 Pete Maravich and the

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Jerry West.

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So the Jerry West, are you talking about the 61 Flair?

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Yeah, I voted for the West, but then Maravich would

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have been my fifth vote. But I'm like, you can't

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vote Maravich over West to me. And Maravich is just

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a legend in himself. for some of the off the

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court stuff. He passed away tragically young. This card is,

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I won't argue, this card is an iconic card. Eventually

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it'll be a card I own. It's not crazy expensive

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unless you obviously get it in high grade. So it's definitely,

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it can be budget friendly depending on your budget. So

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I know the West was my fourth card because that

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was like, who's it going to be? Newman, Maravich or West?

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I went with West. The guy's the logo. Yeah, right.

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So as crazy as the legend of Maravich is, I

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just like this card will get in, obviously, as a

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lot of these will eventually. I just I couldn't I

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couldn't put this ahead of the West.

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Fair enough. So but tell people I would definitely tell

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people those. Definitely YouTube Pistol Pete. His ball handling skills

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are like otherworldly, man. The things he did, wow.

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You know what he reminded me of, Ray? And see

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if you guys agree with this too. He was like

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Harlem Globetrotters, but.

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In the NBA.

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It wasn't like a separate, you know, the Harlem Globetrotters

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had their own touring team.

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The stuff Magic Johnson did, he did before.

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Yeah, and he was playing in the league. doing some

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of that stuff.

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The no-look passes, oh my God, it was incredible.

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And without the three-point line. Yeah. He was the all-time

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leader in college points when freshmen couldn't play varsity and

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they didn't have a three-point line. Wow, unbelievable. So just

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go over the rest of the ballot, just to let

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folks know. The 71 tops Rick Barry, rookie card.

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Yep.

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74 tops Bill Walton, rookie card.

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Another great Another great.

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Career cut too short.

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Yeah. A great guy. You know, great on the air

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was hilarious. You know, kind of a quirky, hippie sort

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of guy. Definitely love listening to him commentate on games.

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Because you never knew potentially what he might say and

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who he might say it about. Very refreshing. Eventually, I

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think this card gets in. It's just too much competition

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in the pool right now.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Uh, the Rick Barry, uh, I know for ABA, I

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think historians, it's a, it's a popular card.

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Yeah. I think Rick Barry, I just think great free

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throw shooter. And I know he has more than that.

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Underhand myself. Yeah.

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And I know he's more than that, but that's like

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the first thing you think of. And so again, this

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is another card that I think of in the building.

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It's just, I don't know if this year is the.

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For folks that are, um, uh, basketball fans especially historians

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check out the amazon prime uh series.

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About the aba again i was about to say that.

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I'm sorry ray i'm sorry i was.

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Just about to say check out soul power because rick

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barry played that's right rick barry i'm only messing rick

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barry i know started on the nets before dr j

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did which i didn't know until i saw soul power

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like he was the star on the nets before doc

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was And then he went to the NBA when Doc

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went to the ABA Nats. Yeah. Great documentary. Great documentary. Highly,

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highly recommend it.

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We are back.

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Next up, we have another food and beverage card. 1972

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Icy Beer. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Great cards. If anyone has an

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opportunity to pick up this set, or even if it's

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a couple cards from the set, I would highly recommend it.

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And they're not that expensive yet either. Pretty cool set.

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The key word is yet.

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True. Yet.

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Iceman.

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Yes, 1974 Topps George Gervin rookie card.

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And again, value should not weigh in on whether you

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pick a card. Now, that being said, I didn't vote

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for this, guys, but this card can be had left

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and right, raw, in pretty decent shape for like 20, 30,

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not even. How crazy is that, right?

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That's insane, man.

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It just doesn't carry. The Iceman. Yeah, the stats are there,

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but his name just doesn't carry the same reverence as

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some of these other guys.

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And he has one of the most famous posters of

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all time, the Iceman poster.

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Another guy that just flies under the radar when maybe

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they shouldn't.

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Which may also go for this fellow, too. So the

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last card on the ballot, Ray, I'll let you do

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this one.

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Oh, my God, yes. Faux, faux, faux, Moses Malone. The

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Sixers don't win the 83 NBA championship without Moses Malone.

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And we were talking about Hakeem Olajuwon earlier. Hakeem Olajuwon earlier.

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I know you guys probably know this, but viewers or

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listeners out there might not know that Hakeem Olajuwon didn't

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play in grade school or high school. He didn't start

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playing basketball until college. And who taught him? Moses Malone.

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When he was going to the University of Houston, Hakeem,

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he was getting tutored by Moses Malone. So go figure,

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Hakeem becomes one of the greatest centers of all time

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because of Moses. Moses was so, go back to 83

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and watch that 83 Sixers team. I never saw a

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more dominating performance than Moses that whole year.

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And you guys can correct me if I'm wrong. If

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my memory serves me right, he's one of the first

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guys to come out of high school.

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Yeah, I think he was the first. Yeah, we think

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about that.

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We think about that today. It's not that big of

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a deal anymore, right? No, not anymore, no. But back then, man, like, heck,

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guys were coming out of college and flamed out and

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didn't stick in the NBA.

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Right.

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He came out of high school and became a superstar,

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a Hall of Famer, and really set that bar, right?

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He was the first one.

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Yeah.

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I think he, you know, good or bad, I think

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he played sort of in the shadow of Dr. J.,

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that I think that was a double-edged sword. I think

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it helped them because they made the Sixers and the

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Philadelphia teams successful, but Dr. J was the headline and

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he was sort of the undercard. And, and, and I

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don't mean that exactly like that, but that, you know,

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there's Batman and Robin, right. And there's only one of these.

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Someone's got to be Robin.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So he was the Robin to Dr. J's Batman and, and,

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But if you look at that aside, he's a superstar.

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He's a legend. He's an icon. He just, you can't

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pick your, well, I guess you could pick your teammates,

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but not in the true sense of the word. So

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like he just, that's how it shaked out, but it

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still should not take away from the player. I didn't

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vote for his card. And again, another card that to

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me is undervalued for what it is you can get.

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At a, at a very, uh, you can get a

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high grade too. You can get an eight.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So if this card eventually gets in guys, I

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just think it's, it's just up against, you know, you

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gotta remember this is only the second, uh, class here.

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So there's going to be right. Some big powerhouses right

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off the top, you know, to use an analogy, like

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that first baseball hall of fame class was going to

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be a big one. Cause it's the first one, right?

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Yeah.

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You're going to have your tie cobs and your babe

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roofs and your, your Wagners and all those guys you

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see in that classic photo was the same thing applies

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to cards here. That first class is going to be

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all big, big boys. And even that second one, especially

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when only four to five are getting in it's it's

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that competition is stiff. That pool is crowded with all

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worthy cards and they all can't get in there. True.

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Yep.

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One little short story on Moses Malone. Again, when the

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Sixers won, The Sixers were in the finals against the

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Lakers two out of three years, like 80 and 82.

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And our center was a guy named Caldwell Jones, who

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was like a stick figure. And all season after 82,

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we were like, well, we had so much problems against

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not only Magic, but especially Kareem. Kareem dominated. And they

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were like, well, who plays the best against Kareem? And

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it was Moses Malone. And Kareem would tell you to

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this dayâ Moses owned Kareem. Now Kareem dominated everybody else,

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but Moses pretty much owned Kareem. So that was the

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main reason why the Sixers got him that year, because

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we wanted someone that was going to control Kareem. And

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he did. I mean, Moses just crushed Kareem. Kareem. And

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Moses was 6'10. He wasn't a seven-footer.

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No.

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No, but he played bigger than his size, even.

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He was a great rebounder. He just got everything that

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was missed.

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What was he classified as? A power forward, right? No, center.

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All right.

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Center, yeah. Well, for us, he was. I mean, our

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power forward was a guy named Mark Ivarone.

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Yeah, I remember.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. That's your one.

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But he played center, too. That's why. He played center

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almost like a power forward. He had better.

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He was pretty.

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He could move on the court. He had some range

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away from the basket as well.

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He went outside.

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I always almost viewed him as like a power forward

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slash center.

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Yeah. A true center.

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He had a great shot in the corner. He had

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a great fadeaway shot. He was one of the first

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centers that would kind of go out a little, but

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he banged inside. Kareem hated playing him.

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Yeah.

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Well, just to summarize your vintage era ballots, you had

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