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Clemente Lisi returns for Part II of our conversation. He breakdown's the World Cup, Soccer Hobby market, Messi's announcement, and a discussion about the approaching NHL season.


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*World Cup Review

*Soccer Market

*Messi's Announcement

*Thoughts on Pocchettino/USA Soccer

*Next World Cup

*NHL Market and Upcoming season.



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Sports Card Nation, the hobby is the people. Weekly news

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The hobby is the people.

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Sports Card Nation. What is up everybody?

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Welcome to episode 408 of Sports Card Nation podcast. I'm

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John Newman, happy as always to be coming out of

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your speakers, whatever that may be. And thank you for

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Certified Trading Card Association. All right, so today is part

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two with Clemente Lisi, my good friend and soccer author expert.

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We're going to.

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Talk more World Cup, soccer market, and also NHL market

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as the season progresses. has started by the time this

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comes out, but early going of the NHL season. So

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with that being said, enough from me. Let's get the

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show started.

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Attention, Sports Card Nation viewers.

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What up, kids?

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It's your boy Scott Hanson from NFL Red Zone.

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Oh, we're back. Ball is back. The hobby never ends.

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And before you know it, I'm going to be on

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your screen again, rocking that octobox, knocking the bottom out

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of the witching hour, and announcing seven hours of Red

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some time. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, to check

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out John. and SportsCard Nation. Let's have a great season, people.

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So let's talk about the final 1-0. You were there.

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Spain, you know, I watch the game in my living room.

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Their defense is suffocating. It's not necessarily very exciting, but

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they're trying to win the game like every team is,

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and that's their style of play.

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Two-folded question, Clemente.

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You know, your thoughts on that style of play, and

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do you think more countries will sort of adopt That

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level of, you know, that sort of schematics, you know,

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based on Spain's success with it and try to do

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it themselves. You think this will be the trend now,

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at least in tournament play?

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For soccer.

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Yeah, I mean, when a team wins, there are people

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that want to emulate that style. Now, a lot of

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that style is something that Spain has been kind of

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playing with on and off for the last 20 years. So,

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I mean, they were very successful with a similar style

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back in 2010 when they won the World Cup in

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South Africa. And I was there for that game and

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they won 1-0 in the final in extra time. So

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this was like a real echo of that to me,

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even though it's a whole generation later. I don't really

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like it because I want to see two teams going

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at it. I don't want to see one team with

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the ball and the other team just chasing shadows all night.

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And that's what they did.

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They shaped the Argentina was chasing shadows all day and

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they just couldn't do anything about it. And I thought

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for a minute, I thought, could this game go to penalties?

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It could Argentina win this on penalties about actually ever

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really taking a shot on goal. Cause I put to

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that point, they hadn't even taken a shot on goal.

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I think their first shot on goal was an extra time.

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Right.

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So it wasn't great to watch. It's not, you know, for.

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People that watch the world cup who got so into

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it and we're watching all these goals and it was exciting.

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The final might've been a disappointment to them because Argentina,

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the final was like a true soccer fan final. It's

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like two teams. One of them is dominating a lot

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of defense, a lot of passing, not a lot of

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shooting on goal. And then the one nothing game, which

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is not exactly like if you watch the third place

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game the day before, which is almost like a joke,

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you know, France beat England, I think six to four,

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some crazy thing like that with like a, you know,

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whatever it was, that's not real soccer.

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That's just, that's two teams playing for nothing.

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Right.

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So it's different.

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Will teams copy it? I, that can't happen, even though

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I think it won't.

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Because if you've got two teams playing the same way,

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like Spain, I don't think anything is going to happen. Eventually,

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one team has to play possession. And I think the

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goal is how do you break that down? If Spain

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keeps doing what they're doing, they're going to be unbeatable

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for the next four, five, six years. I just don't

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see how anybody can break this down. But having said that,

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players change, coaches change, styles change. And what they did

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at this tournament may not be something they can replicate

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over and over again, obviously. If that was the case,

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then we'd have 30-year dynasties, and we don't have that

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in soccer or any sport, really.

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So I don't like it because I want to see.

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Like, France-Argentina would have been a more fun final, I think,

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because you would have had two teams going at it, potentially, right?

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And you would have had a rematch of four years earlier,

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which is my predicted final that didn't happen, because France

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was playing so well, and then they ran into the

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Spanish wall in the semifinal and couldn't do anything.

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And that's when I realized, oh.

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The Spain team is going to be hard to beat.

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If they can shut down France like this, then I

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don't think Argentina has a shot. And I was not

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too surprised Argentina couldn't do it. I mean, Messi did nothing.

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I'm surprised they didn't charge him a ticket because he

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didn't do anything.

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He couldn't do anything.

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He was just totally muffled and totally, you know, like

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you said, suffocating is a great word for it. And

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it's just a certain way to play. And, you know, look,

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the old adage, defense wins championships.

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It's true. It doesn't matter what the sport is.

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It's true.

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And in soccer, it's true.

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And you could have a player like Messi on a team,

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and then he's totally nothing if you can't get.

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A shot on goal. And that's what happened.

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And the Argentina goalie, I have to say, Martinez, he

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made a couple of good saves in the second half

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to keep his team in it. They could have been

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down 2-0 in the second half, and he made a

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couple of good saves. Of course, once overtime came in,

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they retired, and it turns out he had a broken finger,

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the Argentina goalie, and he played with a broken finger.

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So we found that out later after the game. So

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in the end, a valiant effort, not the greatest final

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of all time, of course, and they expect that to happen.

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But a really good Spanish team, you can't argue what

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they played in a way that even if you're new

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to the sport and you watch them, you're like, wow,

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I don't know how they do it. But teams just

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can't get past them.

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And that's what they did.

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Yeah, I just was I enjoyed the game, but I

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was shocked to how Argentina couldn't get through that defense

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to get shots on goal, especially when you think.

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Yeah, Messi. I thought, well, maybe they could even use

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him as a.

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Decoy to free up somebody else and catch him off guard,

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and they couldn't really set anything up. But like you said,

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Spain doesn't care about stout points. They're just trying to

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get the trophy, right, which they wound up doing. I

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want to get into the U.S. side of things, but

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before we go there, Just real quick, as someone who

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watched a good percentage of the tournament, which player represented

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himself well, put his name on the map? You mentioned

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Ronaldo didn't have a great tournament. On the opposite side

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of the coin, who was sort of a disappointing player?

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Player at least tournament wise.

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Yeah Ronaldo was disappointing and that's the way it is

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the other disappointment was Brazil's Neymar I mean he was

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a little bit older and he got called up and

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people were surprised he was there but he didn't do

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a whole lot he did score one goal the goal

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he did score against Norway I think in around the

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16 they were already losing 2-0 so it didn't matter

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so he was a disappointment and kind of end of

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his career as well On the flip side, the players

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that did play well were, like I mentioned, Erling Haaland.

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I think his stock went up, and even on social media,

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people got to know this guy. And he plays for

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Manchester City in the Premier League, and he's a great player,

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great striker. And he was in some of the Visa commercials,

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the tap-in ads they did. So he was out there.

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And then the other one was Mbappe, who is now

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the all-time leading scorer in the World Cup history.

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And.

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He was the.

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Top scorer four years ago. He's 26 years old. He's gotten, what,

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one World Cup in 2018. He reached the final in 22.

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He got third place in 2026. I mean, that's a

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pretty good career. He plays for Real Madrid. He's already

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scoring goals for them in La Liga early in the season.

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So I expect him to be at age 30. He's

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in his prime still, I think, for France. And he

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will probably only build on that goals total. Messi's number two.

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Messi can't catch him now. Messi's retired, right?

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So he's done.

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So, yeah, I think you're going to see just more

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of these guys padding their stats and scoring more goals. And,

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you know, I mean, it was definitely a tournament that

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strikers were scoring goals. The other one I thought had

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a good tournament was Harry Kane for England. He had

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a pretty good tournament. And I'm not surprised he's at

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international level for a couple of years now. So there

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were players that the players that you expected to do

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well all did well, which is really odd because usually

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some of them don't don't do kind of fall off.

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And most of them did well. I mentioned Ronaldo did

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not do so well. He's 41 years old.

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I mean.

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You just can't run like you used to. And that's fine.

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And, you know, he's maybe a bench player, even though

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he insists on starting and he's still got the hunger

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for it, but he doesn't have the body for it anymore.

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And I don't think Messi can get to 41 years

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old either and be able to run. And if you

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watch Messi play, for example, he's a great example. The

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guy basically walks around for 80 minutes and then he

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just gets one ball, makes three passes, puts the ball

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in the back of the net.

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And you're like, what? How did that happen?

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Right?

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So that's what he does. And it reminds me a

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little bit of, if you watch hockey, obviously, Ovechkin. He

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always scores from the same spot on the same play

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over and over again.

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And it doesn't matter.

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That's his office, basically. And Messi's the same way. Two,

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three passes in the box. He slides the ball past

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the goalie. And before you know it, Argentina's winning 1-0

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with five minutes left to play.

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And you're like, now what? And he did that over

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and over again at the World Cup.

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And it was fun to watch. It was extraordinary to

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watch because he knew it was like the last dance

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for him.

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And we're right. It was. But I was not disappointed.

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All the players that you thought could do well showed up.

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And that's really rare. It doesn't always happen.

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And so that's why I think the tournament was so

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good because superstars all showed up, high level throughout, lots

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of great.

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Games, lots of goals. And you had all this buildup.

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And up until the very end, you didn't know which

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team can win it. I mean, there are people that

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still thought it could be England.

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It could be France. Spain was in the conversation, of course. Argentina, Norway.

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you got to the quarterfinals, the final eight, you were like,

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what's going to happen here?

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Like, will Norway win the World Cup? Can they win

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the World Cup for the first time?

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I don't want to exclude, and it's been a few

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weeks now, so my memory is fading. But you had

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these African teams like Cape Verde, like pulling up upsets.

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Their goalie became a star. was Xenia. He was at

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Fanatics Fest signing autographs.

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It's just this whole thing where these guys became stars

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around the world, some of them, and some of them

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became American household names, which is not easy to do.

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Soccer is still not the sport here.

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So yeah, the stars showed up, and that's what the

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American audiences normally want. And FIFA can ask for a

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better tournament. I mean, they can plan it, they can

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organize it, but they have very little control over what

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happens in each game, right? And so then players have

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to show up and do well. And, you know, and

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then the U.S., they had their own great run, I thought.

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And for them, they did well, as best they could.

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And let's talk about that, Clemente. You know, if you

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follow U.S. soccer, they've ran through their sort of gamut

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of coaches. You know, if you ask them the powers

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that be, they have trouble finding the right guy. They

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have now Mauricio Pochettino, who just signed an extension to 2030.

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Your thoughts on him, like you mentioned, I thought they

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had a great run. They lost to a very good team.

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There were people that were disappointed or will say, why

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can't we get further? Why did we hit a wall?

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I guess your assessments as a fellow countryman of the U.S. team,

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is Pochettino the right guy for the job and You know,

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are they moving in the right direction? And someday might

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we be talking about potentially even, you know, making it further?

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You know, where is U.S. soccer, you know, status-wise currently?

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pinnacle for them, aside from winning the World Cup, which

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seems at this point an impossibility, but even get to

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the quarterfinals. Now, that got harder this time around because

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you had that extra– knockout game but they did win

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the round of 32 game they got to the round

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of 16 and of course that's where they fell to

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belgium and people were asking me after the group stage

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do you think the u.s can win the world cup

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i said look you know they've had a couple of

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really good games and pochettino you can tell he's brought

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in some professionalism he's brought in like an attitude that

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you see in europe and latin america like like the

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kind of things that we do need in america i

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think with players most of these guys play in europe

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anyway these guys are top level but you need the

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mentality and they had the fans so the fans were

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there i mean the u.s games were super exciting they

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were like Real home games for the U.S., unlike when

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they're playing other tournaments where the crowd seems to be anti-U.S.

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and pro the other team. But when they got played

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against Belgium, you know, I knew Belgium is a good team.

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They're one of the best teams in Europe. And that's

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the thing. They can't beat the really good European teams

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or even the average European teams. And that's sort of

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how can they get over that hump.

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In the next four years? We'll see. Now, Pochettino's here

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for another four years.

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I'm not a big fan of coaches sticking around for

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more than one World Cup because generally it doesn't always

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go well. Now, having said that, he didn't coach the

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team previously. for four years leading into the World Cup.

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He took the job like basically a year and change

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before the World Cup started, a year, a year and change.

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So he hasn't had a full four-year cycle to kind

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of bring in new players and scout players and all that.

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And so we'll see what happens.

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I mean, you know, 2030 is a good opportunity for

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them to try to get that quarterfinal.

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And then anything can happen.

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I mean, look, we look at a team like Norway,

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which is not really a soccer country, but they played

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so well. And even Norway was not anywhere close to

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being a team that could be in the World Cup conversation.

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I mean, when I was talking to my wife about this,

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she's not a soccer fan. She's like, it's always the

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same countries. Why is it always Argentina and France and Spain?

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It was always the same countries because the soccer world

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is pretty much, you know, the top level is concentrated

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in these like maybe eight teams. And some of them

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come and go. Like Italy, they come and go. Or Brazil,

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they come and go. But it's really much a pretty

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exclusive club.

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For the U.S.

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To get in there, it's going to take more than

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one really good World Cup. It's going to take a

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couple of cycles. We've been doing this for 30 years now.

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So people are like, it's been 30 years. Yeah, the

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World Cup is 100 years old. The U.S.

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Has been doing this aggressively for maybe 25, 30 years.

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It's not enough. It's not enough time.

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More players playing at a high level in Europe. I

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think they did a really good job. I think they

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did the best they could. I think for people that

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are watching soccer for the first time, They're watching it.

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Americans want to see winners. This is not like the U.S.

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men's hockey team where they can win the gold medal.

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Like the U.S. is not going to win the gold medal.

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And maybe you remember watching Fox during the World Cup

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and they had those commercials with Michael Ruzzioni was in them, right,

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where he was saying, well, you don't believe in miracles.

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And that was fun.

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But nobody really believed the U.S. could win the World Cup.

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I never thought so, even though people thought so because.

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Those first two games were so good. People got carried away.

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That's all.

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You know, that first game against Paraguay, they blew them

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out as a four to one or something. And people

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were like, wow, we're going to win the World Cup.

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It's like, slow down. And even Paraguay got better. I mean,

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Paraguay was like, OK, we got we get four goals.

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We're going to lock things up here.

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What did they do? They went on to beat Germany

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in the knockouts on penalties.

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Right.

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So anybody can have a bad day. It doesn't mean

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that the U.S.

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Has beat it.

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But you got to be consistent.

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If the U.S.

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Can do this on a consistent basis every four years, yeah.

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Can they win the World Cup at some point? Yeah,

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it's entirely possible. I mean, Spain didn't win a World

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Cup until 2010. It took them 80 years to get there.

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That's Spain, which is a soccer country, right? France won

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the World Cup in 98 for the first time, right? Spain, France, again,

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a country where soccer is a big deal. It took them, what, 60,

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70 years to get there. So I'd say, look, we're

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only at this 30 years. Let's give it a little

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bit of time, you know, For me, the important thing

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is having soccer grow in this country in terms of popularity,

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in terms of the hobby.

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In terms of culturally. And then I think the results

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will come after.

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Yeah, well said. I think most fans grasped the concept.

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I think there were some unrealistic people with the early

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success and then the knockout stage win that really started

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to maybe think too big or unrealistically. Only one, like

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you said, only one team is hoisting the trophies. And

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there's going to be even good teams or contenders that

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just don't get it done.

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Right.

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Argentina, in this case, in the final.

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So at no point did I think like you, your route,

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you obviously hope you're wrong, but like in my heart

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of hearts, I knew like, this team's not going to

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win the world cup, but let's, let's keep going as

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far as we can. And like you said, have the

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sport grow in this country, have the program itself, uh,

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get more solidified and more confidence. And eventually you build it, right?

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And maybe someday, you know, they are a contender as

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far as they can be talked about in that vein.

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But I thought some of the folks that were like,

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you know, even hearing Alexi Lalas on the... Like, he

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was a realist. He's like, listen, you know, you could

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hear him say, like, this team's probably not going to

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win the World Cup, but let's enjoy this ride until...

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until it ends. And this success from this tournament is

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only going to help the U.S. team going forward, even

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when they don't win the cup itself. So that's kind

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of how I felt. Obviously, the game starts out 0-0.

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And like you said, any given day, you never know.

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A team has a bad performance. Someone makes a turnover

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or a mistake, an own goal.

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You never know.

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But, you know, if you know soccer enough, you knew, like,

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at some point the magic was probably going to run

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out or, you know, the sand in the hourglass was

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going to go from the top to the bottom, and

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that be it. So enjoy it for what it is.

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Do you think did they do better than you thought

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kind of where you thought they were like and there's

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some people who are i've heard say they were sort

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of disappointed uh maybe somewhat maybe more in the way

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they lost that last game than where where they made

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it to like how do you assess their world cup

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performance overall.

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Yeah no i i'd say it was a solid B

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minus because they got to where I thought they might get.

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And we should point out Canada and Mexico, which were

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the co-hosts, got the same exact stage and.

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They were eliminated as well.

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If the U.S.

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Had beaten Belgium, they would have played Spain, I think.

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And then that would have been game over, right? But

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at least you get to the quarterfinals, right? Yeah, the

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way they lost that game, the red card with Balogun,

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Trump got involved. That left a sour taste in a

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lot of people's mouths. People were kind of upset. There

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were fans who were like, I don't care.

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It helps America.

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There were people who thought, well, if the U.S. wins now,

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it feels tarnished. And that's not the players' fault. They

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were put in that position by FIFA, by the U.S. government,

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all that stuff, which is a very weird situation. I

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think they got to where they got. I thought they

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might get to where they reached.

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I'm not surprised.

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But I was more interested in the quality of the

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individual games. And I thought it was a high quality,

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like the players on the field. You know, we talked

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about players that might be disappointing. I guess one disappointment

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was Christian Pulisic. I don't think he reached his full potential.

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He was a little bit hurt, banged up during the tournament,

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but he could have had a better World Cup. You

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had Florian Balogun, who had a really good World Cup.

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And just as we're talking, he's going to get transferred

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over to Everton in the Premier League. So he's going

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to play at a higher level. He plays in Monaco

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now in France. So the English league is obviously the top,

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top league in the world. So he's gotten attention notice,

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which is great. There were a couple of other players who,

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who had good tournaments, you know, so had a good tournament. So,

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you know, it, look, it's, it's a work in progress,

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but I think we're in a much better place. The

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U S is that they were even a year ago

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because people forget, but the games leading up to the

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world cup, there were some real stinkers there by the

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U S. And I thought, wow, if they keep doing

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this in the lead up, What's going to happen to

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the tournament?

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We're going to be disappointed. But they rose to the occasion.

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They played well beyond what I expected. Look, if you're

475
00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.299
not watching the U.S. month in, month out, and you're

476
00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:37.490
only watching the World Cup, then there's no point of reference.

477
00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:39.450
I'm watching them all the time. So I can tell

478
00:21:39.509 --> 00:21:41.529
you they overachieved this tournament.

479
00:21:41.769 --> 00:21:43.250
Now, could they have gone further?

480
00:21:43.529 --> 00:21:43.829
Maybe.

481
00:21:44.089 --> 00:21:45.730
But I think they did the best they could with

482
00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:46.190
what they had.

483
00:21:46.549 --> 00:21:47.910
Yeah, I agree.

484
00:21:47.990 --> 00:21:52.019
I think as fans and as, you know, we're in

485
00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.710
the U.S., we just have to, like, enjoy, enjoy the

486
00:21:55.750 --> 00:21:59.430
performance and, and realize, you know, that's, that's where we're

487
00:21:59.490 --> 00:22:02.210
at now. That doesn't mean somewhere in the future we

488
00:22:02.230 --> 00:22:07.190
can be better. Um, let's, uh, let's kind of close on, uh,

489
00:22:07.250 --> 00:22:09.109
you know, I know you do a lot with hockey

490
00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:10.069
and cover hockey.

491
00:22:10.329 --> 00:22:12.019
Uh, we don't have to spend a ton of time.

492
00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:15.210
Um, but you know, we, with the season is approaching, uh,

493
00:22:15.819 --> 00:22:18.099
just some of your thoughts on, on some guys to

494
00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.440
watch some young guns, no pun intended, uh, you know, that, uh,

495
00:22:23.289 --> 00:22:26.650
As Ranger fans, you know, are we in for another

496
00:22:27.130 --> 00:22:27.609
long year?

497
00:22:27.630 --> 00:22:30.049
They made some moves in the offseason.

498
00:22:29.450 --> 00:22:31.849
To try to get a little more athletic, a little

499
00:22:31.869 --> 00:22:35.009
more younger, maybe a little more pucks in the back

500
00:22:35.049 --> 00:22:37.369
of the net and scoring. They shored up some of

501
00:22:37.390 --> 00:22:40.849
their defensive stuff. So just sort of what, you know,

502
00:22:40.890 --> 00:22:44.569
just sort of a preview to the NHL season approaching.

503
00:22:44.769 --> 00:22:45.799
Yeah, so, I mean.

504
00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:48.119
we were at the national and upper deck had this

505
00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:51.359
huge booth and they really, they really put on the hockey,

506
00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:53.299
you know, hockey is big for upper deck and they

507
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.569
really showcase that. And not only that, but they brought

508
00:22:55.609 --> 00:22:58.690
in a bunch of these draft picks, including Gavin McKenna

509
00:22:58.710 --> 00:23:00.849
was at the national. And I was tailing him for

510
00:23:00.869 --> 00:23:04.130
that 30, 40 minutes of madness at the upper deck

511
00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:06.329
booth and at David Adams. And, you know, Gavin McKenna

512
00:23:06.349 --> 00:23:08.480
is the number one draft pick. He plays left wing.

513
00:23:08.779 --> 00:23:10.539
He's gonna play for the Toronto Maple Leafs. He had

514
00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:12.940
a really great college career at Penn state. If you

515
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.119
believe everyone, what they say, he's going to be the

516
00:23:15.140 --> 00:23:18.779
next superstar. And, It's possibly true because we've seen the

517
00:23:18.819 --> 00:23:22.519
last couple of years some really good draft picks come out.

518
00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:24.880
Number one draft picks have really come in good. So

519
00:23:25.339 --> 00:23:28.259
Conor Bedard, slow work in progress, but the hobby hype

520
00:23:28.299 --> 00:23:32.369
around him was huge, as you remember. Then you had

521
00:23:32.410 --> 00:23:35.230
Macklin Celebrini, same thing, a lot of hype around him.

522
00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:38.750
I should point out that his one-on-one outburst, Young Guns card,

523
00:23:38.869 --> 00:23:43.539
recently sold for $ 1. 3 million. So the hockey hobby, obviously

524
00:23:43.579 --> 00:23:48.029
doing extremely well, and there's more eyeballs on on hockey.

525
00:23:48.049 --> 00:23:49.789
And then you had Schaefer with the Islanders. He was

526
00:23:49.809 --> 00:23:51.869
Rookie of the Year. He was doing very well at

527
00:23:51.950 --> 00:23:54.170
the National. People were looking for his Young Guts card.

528
00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:57.529
It was going for about $ 250. Healthy as well. So

529
00:23:57.569 --> 00:23:59.549
I think Gavin McKenna is going to follow in that

530
00:23:59.650 --> 00:24:03.809
same path. He's in Toronto, which is a franchise that

531
00:24:03.829 --> 00:24:05.470
hasn't won anything in a very long time. There's a

532
00:24:05.529 --> 00:24:08.589
lot of pressure to be in Toronto, to do well there.

533
00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:11.619
So we'll see what happens. So Toronto could have a

534
00:24:11.630 --> 00:24:14.700
good year. And more importantly, can Gavin McKenna have a

535
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.470
Rookie of the Year type of showing The other name

536
00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:20.250
I would point out, too, is Ivor Stenberg.

537
00:24:20.289 --> 00:24:21.089
He's with the Sharks.

538
00:24:21.450 --> 00:24:24.170
The Sharks have had top picks the last couple of years,

539
00:24:24.190 --> 00:24:26.220
so they have a big crop of young players.

540
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.900
I was going to say, their nucleus of young guys

541
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.039
that are actually doing pretty well. I mean, if you're

542
00:24:34.059 --> 00:24:37.019
a Sharks fan, there's a reason to be, like you

543
00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:38.720
just pointed out, excited.

544
00:24:39.140 --> 00:24:41.480
Yeah, I think the Sharks could go on a playoff run,

545
00:24:41.500 --> 00:24:44.150
I think. you know, the West is difficult, obviously, but

546
00:24:44.170 --> 00:24:46.109
I do think they, they look very good. They have

547
00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:49.049
all these young, young players on their team. And then

548
00:24:49.369 --> 00:24:51.690
there's amassing rookies on top of each other. Unlike the

549
00:24:51.710 --> 00:24:54.299
Chicago Blackhawks who have also had some picks in the

550
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.779
last couple of years, but definitely not, they're still in

551
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.440
rebuild mode. And I don't know how that's going to

552
00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:59.880
work out in the end. I mean, a player like

553
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:02.539
Conor Bedard playing that much time and he's kind of

554
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.109
a small guy, he gets injured, you know, he's not

555
00:25:05.140 --> 00:25:08.269
going to, you know, excel week in, week out. So,

556
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.640
So some teams are going up, some teams are going down.

557
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.869
And then finally on the Rangers, yeah, they've made some moves.

558
00:25:13.289 --> 00:25:15.329
I do think this is a year where you can

559
00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:18.069
sneak into the playoffs if need be. But it's a

560
00:25:18.109 --> 00:25:21.170
rebuild year, obviously. It's interesting because the Rangers up until,

561
00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:23.039
you know, maybe five, six years ago, they were like

562
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:24.160
Stanley Cup contenders.

563
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.400
And now they're sort of, can they get into the playoffs?

564
00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:28.359
So we're talking about that now.

565
00:25:28.420 --> 00:25:30.519
So- But I think hockey is one of those sports

566
00:25:30.619 --> 00:25:32.779
where like you could have a great season one year

567
00:25:32.900 --> 00:25:35.000
and you really horrible the next and you could be

568
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.609
really good again. So I, you know, so the Rangers,

569
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.029
I think for me, it's 50, 50, depending on how

570
00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:42.910
they start off. The players don't, you know, if their quarters,

571
00:25:42.950 --> 00:25:46.049
they stays healthy. They can sneak into the playoffs. It

572
00:25:46.089 --> 00:25:47.549
reminds me a little bit of the Pittsburgh Penguins. They

573
00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:49.210
do this where they don't miss the playoffs for three

574
00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:51.069
years and then they'll get in, you know, that kind

575
00:25:51.109 --> 00:25:52.809
of thing. And they'll miss three more years and they'll

576
00:25:52.829 --> 00:25:54.569
get in again. You know, they go in and out

577
00:25:54.690 --> 00:25:56.470
hot and cold. So the Rangers are a hot and

578
00:25:56.490 --> 00:25:59.019
cold team for me. And then the last big question

579
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:02.069
in terms of hobby, but also in terms of championships,

580
00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:05.029
can McDavid win a cup finally? Can the Oilers go

581
00:26:05.049 --> 00:26:07.690
all the way? And the answer is no, because they're

582
00:26:07.730 --> 00:26:09.650
not going to, they haven't made any goaltending moves.

583
00:26:09.730 --> 00:26:11.910
And the biggest problem the Oilers have had is goaltending.

584
00:26:11.990 --> 00:26:13.849
And I don't know how they can't figure this out,

585
00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:15.890
but that's the biggest problem they've had for.

586
00:26:16.130 --> 00:26:16.910
Five years now.

587
00:26:16.970 --> 00:26:20.670
And it could very well be that, you know, McDavid

588
00:26:20.970 --> 00:26:22.670
leaves the Oilers at some point and tries to win

589
00:26:22.690 --> 00:26:23.609
a championship somewhere else.

590
00:26:23.690 --> 00:26:26.009
I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen because.

591
00:26:27.970 --> 00:26:30.029
Come to New York, we got Shusterkin.

592
00:26:30.470 --> 00:26:31.710
Yeah, exactly.

593
00:26:31.730 --> 00:26:34.250
We have the goalie and we have the history of

594
00:26:34.869 --> 00:26:37.410
Oilers coming to New York and winning titles, right?

595
00:26:37.430 --> 00:26:38.819
So it's entirely possible.

596
00:26:38.859 --> 00:26:41.430
And I'm hoping some of that Knicks good luck rubs

597
00:26:41.490 --> 00:26:43.380
off on the Rangers and at least the playoffs. If

598
00:26:43.420 --> 00:26:45.779
you don't make the playoffs, you're not even, you can't.

599
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:46.440
Contend, obviously.

600
00:26:46.460 --> 00:26:49.119
And so that's the thing, you know, after a long season,

601
00:26:49.539 --> 00:26:52.160
last year was rough. It was a very long season

602
00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:53.119
and whatever.

603
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.140
And the goal is to do well.

604
00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:55.880
And obviously, you know, if you're the NHL, you want

605
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.089
to have these big markets do well. I mean, I

606
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.269
know we have markets like Carolina and San Jose and

607
00:27:01.450 --> 00:27:03.250
other places that do well, and that's great.

608
00:27:03.650 --> 00:27:06.069
But the league really needs the bigger markets. So we'll

609
00:27:06.089 --> 00:27:08.230
see what happens. I mean, there's always a good crop

610
00:27:08.289 --> 00:27:10.759
of rookies. I think these younger players are bigger and

611
00:27:10.779 --> 00:27:13.559
better than ever. And the hobbies responded. I mean, I

612
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.420
think in terms of chasing young guns, even people who

613
00:27:16.460 --> 00:27:20.119
are not collecting hockey are going after, you know, Celebrini.

614
00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:21.009
They're going after.

615
00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:24.180
We know that because the hype was ridiculous. And I

616
00:27:24.220 --> 00:27:26.130
think McKenna is going to be the same way. I

617
00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:28.170
think people are going to hear more talk of him

618
00:27:28.609 --> 00:27:31.150
in the coming weeks. The league starts in October. And

619
00:27:31.170 --> 00:27:32.349
I think you're going to hear a lot of talk

620
00:27:32.390 --> 00:27:32.750
about him.

621
00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:36.329
Yeah, it seems like at least every year, every other year, right,

622
00:27:36.369 --> 00:27:39.200
that number one pick, that number two pick is like

623
00:27:39.579 --> 00:27:43.019
predicted to be like the great one. You know what

624
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:48.319
I mean? The next great young talent in the NHL.

625
00:27:48.380 --> 00:27:52.000
So although when the Rangers have had The first or

626
00:27:52.059 --> 00:27:54.599
second pick hasn't worked out.

627
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.359
Capocacco's not even on the team anymore.

628
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.369
Lafreniere, he played a little bit better towards the back

629
00:28:01.490 --> 00:28:04.529
end the next year. So I'm crossing my fingers that

630
00:28:04.569 --> 00:28:08.089
maybe the light bulbs went on. But overall, he's been

631
00:28:08.130 --> 00:28:11.210
sort of disappointed. But he's still, he's not old, so

632
00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:14.470
he's still got time. But, you know, hopefully he figures

633
00:28:14.549 --> 00:28:14.789
it out.

634
00:28:14.809 --> 00:28:16.950
We're going to need him. You know, there's rumors that

635
00:28:16.990 --> 00:28:19.940
they almost even were considered trading him. They didn't.

636
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:24.670
So hopefully, you know, he lives up to some of

637
00:28:24.710 --> 00:28:29.029
the billing he came in at. I thought the second

638
00:28:29.069 --> 00:28:32.490
half of the season he started to play a little

639
00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:33.069
bit better.

640
00:28:33.170 --> 00:28:34.519
So we'll see.

641
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.660
And as a Ranger fan, listen, we're undefeated right now.

642
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:44.180
So when the season starts, right, we always have that hope.

643
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:49.230
So Clemente, I love talking with you about anything for

644
00:28:49.269 --> 00:28:53.460
that matter. life as well. Always a pleasure. Love your

645
00:28:53.539 --> 00:28:56.880
insight that you always bring. I always give the guests

646
00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:00.740
the final word, anything you want to share, website, social media,

647
00:29:00.769 --> 00:29:04.970
you know, check out all his articles, whatever you want

648
00:29:05.009 --> 00:29:06.630
to throw out there, go ahead.

649
00:29:07.069 --> 00:29:07.630
Yeah, sure.

650
00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:09.930
So yeah, if people can't get enough of the World Cup,

651
00:29:10.029 --> 00:29:13.829
I do have my World Cup book updated, History of

652
00:29:14.109 --> 00:29:15.170
the World Cup, 2026 edition.

653
00:29:15.589 --> 00:29:18.630
That's available now on Amazon and is available all summer.

654
00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:22.339
If you're interested in more soccer, obviously you can read

655
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.519
Planet Soccer, which is my Substack page. And you just

656
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:27.539
go to Planet Soccer and find that Substack. You can

657
00:29:27.579 --> 00:29:29.440
follow me on Twitter at Clemente Alisi.

658
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.220
That's interact with me there. Find me there.

659
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.410
And then I write for, like John said, Sports Collectors Digest.

660
00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:36.470
I have lots of articles in the last issue, the

661
00:29:36.509 --> 00:29:39.619
National Roundup. uh we had a great panel discussion including

662
00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:41.660
the john moderator which is great you can find that

663
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.900
on youtube um you can find my articles in the

664
00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:46.420
on the website in the magazine there so i don't

665
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.299
subscribe to scd please do because it's a wonderful publication

666
00:29:49.339 --> 00:29:51.460
and it covers the hobby i think like nobody else

667
00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:53.950
does and you know it was great to walk around

668
00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:55.910
the national and have people just see my name tag

669
00:29:55.930 --> 00:29:57.640
and go hey, I've seen your stuff. I read your

670
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.900
stuff all the time, which was super exhilarating for me,

671
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:01.759
and it was fun. And I think SCD has got

672
00:30:01.779 --> 00:30:03.420
a lot of fans out there. So I'm sure, John,

673
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.799
you get the same reception from people.

674
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.180
Yeah, probably not as much as you because you're a

675
00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:10.900
better writer than I am. But I'll take a– listen,

676
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.420
if I finish second to you in that category, that's

677
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.319
a win.

678
00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:17.819
I'll take it.

679
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.240
But, yeah, no, and it's one of the hobby's oldest publication.

680
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:22.880
It is.

681
00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:23.940
It is the oldest.

682
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:28.819
So it's got that– that provenance and, you know, it's

683
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.390
established itself. And like you said, we're two of, and

684
00:30:32.410 --> 00:30:35.089
there's other great writers as well. Two of them here

685
00:30:35.109 --> 00:30:40.410
on screen right now. So, but yeah, I enjoy writing

686
00:30:40.569 --> 00:30:44.539
for them and I know you as well. So, all right, well, listen,

687
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.059
we're not going to do this again. We're not going

688
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.039
to wait till the next World Cup. I'll have you

689
00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:53.680
back even before that, but it's always a pleasure.

690
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:54.359
Thanks, John.

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