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"SGC Decision and Fairgrounds Show Review" Hobby Quick Hits E237

"SGC Decision and Fairgrounds Show Review" Hobby Quick Hits E237

On this episode of "Hobby Quick Hits" I discuss the recent SGC Submission price raising, how it affects me and the recent show I did at the New York State Fairgrounds.


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Hey everybody, welcome to episode 237. of hobby quicks copy

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quick hits podcast i am one week late getting this

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out there my apologies for that a little bit busier

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my schedule sort of ramped up school has started again

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so i am back to working at school i'm also

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taking uh doing some college coursework as part of my

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employment so that's taking a few more chunks out of

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my daily pie if you will but uh Wanted to

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definitely get, I got some traveling coming up as well.

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So I didn't want to get two weeks behind. So

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here we are. So what does this episode entail? Well,

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I just did my first show after a couple month

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summer hiatus from the show circuit. And it was my

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first show in, I believe, about three years where I

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did not have an SGC bulk submission table. So I'm

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going to talk about, you know, how the show went.

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kind of the thoughts and processes behind not having the

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SGC table and why, as you might have heard, they

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raised their rates up almost 300%. I'll talk about that

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as well, right? How I found out that news, my thoughts,

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as you probably can guess, not happy ones, and how

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this all kind of comes together as one with the show.

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So that's what I'm going to dive into on this episode.

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We're going to skip kind of the news segment, folks,

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and we'll do the product release schedule, and then we'll

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dive into, you know, the SGC decision, my first show

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in three years without having a table for them, and

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my first show in a couple months after a summer hiatus. So,

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We'll kind of put all those into one basket and

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tackle it and dive into it. So there you go.

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Let's start the show. All right. It's me doing the

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product release schedule. Let's talk about the next few weeks

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and products coming out to the market. So let's start

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with the 23rd of September. We have 2026 Bowman Chrome

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Baseball Megas. All these are actually the 23rd, so I

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won't keep saying the 23rd. 2026 Leaf Autograph Collection Football

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Hobby and Jumbos. 2026 Topps Marvel Vault. 2526 Upper Deck

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Ice Hockey. 2026 Upper Deck Team USA Juniors Hockey. Now

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let's move to the 24th. 2025-26 Topps Pristine Basketball as

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basketball continues. To roll out with the licensing changing over.

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Also on the 24, 25, 26. Topps Royalty Premier League Soccer.

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Going to September 25th. We have 2026 Leaf Metal Melange.

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2026 Panini Score Retreat Halloween Bundle. That tradition continues. 2026

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Wild Card Haunted Hits Breakers Brick. On the 30th, 2026,

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Bowman Football, Blasters, Delight, Hobby, Jumbo, and Megas. Also on

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the 30th, 2026, Panini Prism, WNBA Basketball. 2026, Pulse, X,

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Big League Chew, Baseball, Blaster, Hobbies, Megas, and Value Packs.

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On the 30th as well, 2026, Top Star Wars, Chrome Blasters, Delight,

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and Hobby. On the 30th as well, 2026, Tops, Chrome, Tennis, Blasters, Delights,

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and Hobby. Also on the 30th, up 25, 26, Upper Deck, Splendor, Hockey.

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And let's go to the first week in October. We

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have the 2nd, October 2nd, 2026, Leaf Football, Pokemon, 30th Celebration,

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Booster Bundles, and Mini Tins. Going to the 6th. 2026.

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Topps Mars Attacks Xmas. 2026. Topps Allen and Jinter Baseball

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Blasters and Hobby. That's on October 7th. Also on October 7th. 2026.

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Topps Museum Collection Baseball. 2026. Slash 27. Upper Deck Series

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1 Hockey. So that's your next two or three weeks.

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Lots of products coming out. As I always say, choose

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your product, and happy ripping. Good luck. And now, our

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feature presentation. So let's start with the SGC decision. And really,

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I say SGC decision, but most know that that came

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from above. So they decided this on September, well, before that.

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They announced it on September 2nd. On the 1st of September,

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and I'm not going to name this person, I got

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a message from somebody in the hobby who said, hey, John,

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heads up, SGC is about to raise their submission prices.

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I don't know to what, but it's happening soon. And,

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you know, I just thought I'd give you a heads up.

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And I said, OK, you know, it's weird coming from you.

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I would hope my rep, you know, as a bulk

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subber would have gave me a heads up and that

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sort of thing. you know, and then I hope, you know, well, maybe,

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you know, people talk, right? Rumors start and sometimes they never, uh,

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come to fruition. So I, I hope there was some

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of that, but on the very next day, September 2nd,

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I woke up and, you know, I saw the press

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release and, you know, from $ 15 to $ 50, that's a

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three over 300%, uh, increase. Uh, and, uh, it's crazy

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if you ask me and, um, talked to my rep.

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I even told him about the heads up the day before.

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He said, doesn't understand how that happened. Everyone is pretty

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tight-lipped and that this decision came from, again, above rather quickly.

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So there wasn't a lot of time for stuff to

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get out. That's another bone of contention, right? A lot

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of times when companies raise their rates, if you will,

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two to get stuff in. Like, hey, you know, last

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call at the current level. This was sort of immediate. Now,

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in defense, you know, my rep said, hey, John, if

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you're in the middle of a bulk submission, we'll give

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you a couple days to finish that up and get

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it in and honor the, you know, lower previous price,

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which I wasn't because I had just sent one in

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probably like four or five days before, which that got

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in at the lower price. So he also asked me,

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you know, when's your next show? And I said the 13th,

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which was 11 days away from that conversation. And he goes, well,

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I can't help you there. You know, so my phone

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was very busy on September 2nd with some of my

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bulk subbers calling or texting, asking if it would affect

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their existing submissions, asking anything. if I was still going

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to take cards at the $ 50 level, which I'm not.

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I just can't justify that. And frankly, let's be real,

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I'm not going to get nearly as many cards at

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$ 50 a pop than I was at $ 18. So, you know,

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and again, I'm paying the freight, I'm paying insurance, I'm

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paying shipping on these orders. At $ 50 a card, I'm

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going to wind up not getting enough cards to bulk

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sub and lose money. But it's not just that. I

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can't look my clientele in the face and suggest they

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pay $ 50 a card. And I get why these companies

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do this. You know, I get why they raise their

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rates when they get backlogged, right? And we know PSA

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took a good percentage of SGC's graders, making their manpower

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lower and their turnaround times longer. And now, you know,

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Now they're getting backlogged because of that, so they're trying

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to catch up. Now I was told that, you know,

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one of the questions I asked was, how long will

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this rate increase last? And I was told that hopefully

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they will be back down lower in January of 27.

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But back down lower, what's that mean, right? Is it

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going back to the original low price? Is it going

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to be lower than 50, but 40 bucks, 30 bucks,

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25 bucks? And that was another question I got asked

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by a lot of my clientele. When it comes down,

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will it be what it was? I don't know. I

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don't know. It's all speculation. But I would be pleasantly

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surprised if it went back down to the original 15

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a car i don't expect that i hope that but

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i don't expect that so i'm gonna assume you know

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it's going to be you know lower than 50 but

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still you know anywhere from like between 25 and 40

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bucks would be a guess i know that's a fairly

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broad range but that's what i think happens there. I mean,

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in a perfect world, it goes back down to 15

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on January 1st, and all is good and right in

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the world. I'm not predicting that. I wouldn't bet my

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house on it. I wouldn't bet a lot on it,

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for that matter. So, you know, the show was 11

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days away. All this happened on September 2nd. I had

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my show at the New York State Fairgrounds on September 13th.

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My last show was June 7th, so I got almost

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two and a half months off of not doing shows.

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The summer months here in Central New York, we have

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the New York State Fair, which runs for almost two weeks,

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and a lot of outdoor events. So a lot of

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the show promoters and the main big one, which is

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the one I do shows with, sort of let that

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time to take a break. You know, he rents the fairgrounds.

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He can't rent the fairgrounds. They have a sort of two-month,

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you know, moratorium where there's no extra events there between

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the State Fair and other shows that have always, always,

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always done it those couple months. So July and August,

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you know, the Fairgrounds show takes a pause. And so

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September 13th was my first show in two and a

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half months. So I was chomping at the bit to

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get back You know, I love doing shows. I love

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being behind my tables. I love seeing my friends, you know,

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on both sides of the table. And so really look

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forward to September 13th. But I've done this bulk subbing

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now for years for SGC. Oh, and that's the other thing.

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I had to call the promoter. He had some advertising

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out there with me and SGC, you know, being there

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and taking bulk subs. So he had to sort of,

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you know, kind of reel those back as much as possible,

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get those back in. And so it was a busy

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two weeks from the 2nd to the 13th, getting ready

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for the show, repricing stuff, answering a lot of questions

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pertaining to SGC. But I was really looking forward to

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the show, you know, for not doing one for two

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and a half months. But there's a little trepidation as well,

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and here's what I mean by that. is when you

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get used to doing something and you get used to

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if there's income involved and you get used to that income,

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truth be told, right, and that's not going to happen

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any longer, it can be a little scary. You know,

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I always do pretty well on both ends, right, with

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my own cards as a dealer and the SGC bulks up.

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But there are moments, there are shows where, like, you know,

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they're they're kind of close uh you know but combined

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it makes for a very good show one maybe not

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as much so you're always fearful like i'm not gonna

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have that sgc bulk sub income it's gonna be strictly

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you know what i sell at my other two table

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and so that is you know that's can be i

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don't want to say scary but you know you you

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you think about it right like Again, you get used

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to a certain thing, and then when it changes, you know,

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by humans, we don't like change. So I was a

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little concerned about that. Are people not even going to

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come my way because I'm not taking SGC cards, right?

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You know, the SGC table at these shows, you know,

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is great for everybody. For people who want to sub,

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it's great for me for a little side income. I'm

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not getting rich off it, but it is a nice

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little side income. It's good for the promoter because it

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brings people through the doors. And so I was worried

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that people are not even going to come over to

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the area I'm in. You know, sometimes when people sub SGC,

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they might buy some cards off me or vice versa.

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They come over to buy some cards and then they

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see the SGC stuff. So, you know, you're taking one

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of those elements out of that. So I was worried

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or concerned, you know, how is this going to affect

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my show? But there's nothing I can really do about it, right?

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You got to just show up. You got to price

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your stuff accordingly and hope for the best. And there

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was a show the week before, another show by a

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different promoter, smaller show, but about, you know, 15 miles

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away from where this show is. And so you worry,

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did everyone spend their discretionary income last week? or a

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considerable amount of it. So all these thoughts pop through

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your head as a dealer. But you just, you got

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to go in and do the best you can and

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let the chips sort of fall where they may. So,

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you know, set up. And then what it was, and

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then what, you know, I do have, I did have

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some SGC cards that had yet to be picked up

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that were completed orders. So some of those people came out.

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to pick their cards up, which was, you know, good.

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I don't like having other people's cards any longer than

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I have to. But what was a little surprising to

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me was, as big a news as that was, there

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were a few people that had no idea that SGC

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had raised their submission prices. So I had to turn away, unfortunately.

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Three people came up with cards and semi-rigids, all planning

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to you know, sub not knowing that they had raised

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their prices. And they're like, where's your table? And I'm like,

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I'm assuming you didn't hear the news. And they're like, no,

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what news would that be? And I'm like, SGC raised

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their price to $ 50. And, you know, they're like, holy crap,

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how long will that be for? I don't know. You know,

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I told them the same thing I just said on

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this podcast, that I'm being told that maybe in January

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the prices will come back down. So those three people

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did not sub at $ 50, and frankly, I wasn't going

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to take their subs at $ 50. But as soon as

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I told them that, they're like, oh my God, I

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guess I'll hang on to these until the price comes down.

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I did have a fourth gentleman come to the table

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with his cards in hand and send me rigids to sub.

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He did know about the increase. He had about eight cards,

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and he was prepared to pay $ 50 a card. I

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informed him that I won't be taking them at that

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intake level and price. And so he's like, man, I

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have to see, you know, don't take, I'd rather go

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through you, John, but if you're not, I might have to,

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you know, sub these on my own and it's going

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to be more expensive than it would through you. But,

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you know, I'll have to think about it. So it

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told me right there, right, there are going to be

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people who still sub at $ 50 a card. Not a lot,

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a lot less. It's not something I'm going to do

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at that level. I even had a couple people, truth

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be told, ask me to, you know, could you see

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about another grading card company? CGC was mentioned. And, you know,

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I said, well, I never close the door on anything,

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but right now I'm not looking at replacing SGC. Let's

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see what January 1st, 2027, brings with a price reduction

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if we get one and what that looks like before

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I make any sort of rash, you know, jump off

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the ship, so to speak. I'm very disappointed with the decision.

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I'd like to say I understand it, but I don't,

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you know, and it's going to be interesting to see.

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I know a lot of people have said, you know,

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collectors is trying to kill off SGC. I think it

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would have happened. I would assume it would have happened

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by now, but like anything is possible. you know, after

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the Beckett acquisition, which is the newest one, right? So

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maybe they do want to kill one off. And maybe

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SGC drew the short straw, right? So maybe, you know,

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less submissions come because of the new $ 50 price level

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and collectors can say, you know, SGC is not getting

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the volume and we're going to phase them out. I

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hope that's not the case. I really love SGC. Has

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nothing even to do with the bulk subbing. I love

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them as a brand. I love them more before the acquisition. But,

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you know, it's what are you going to do, right?

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In a sense, we're at the mercy of the grading

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card companies, especially now where collectors owns the, you know,

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what many consider the big three. And then you have

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some other ones, right? CDC, TAG, Forensic, and others. So

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it's going to be interesting to see the next few

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months what happens there. So let's talk about the show.

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So I got the SGC stuff all kind of buttoned

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up and talking about how that went. So, you know,

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when you don't do a show for two and a

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half months, you definitely have to go through your inventory

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and reprice some stuff. I also did a couple new

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things with how I set up my tables. Every time

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I go to the National and I see what someone

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else has set up, it gives me ideas for my

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personal setup. So I had changed a couple things, was

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excited to put those in place, if you will, had

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repriced some stuff, lowered quite a bit of stuff, and

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had one of my best shows in a while. Like,

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I've had really good shows, but this one, and I

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was shocked, you know, without the SGC table there. I'll

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say this, I did more than I would normally do

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with the SGC table there without it. So that was

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a complete, I don't want to say a complete shock,

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but I was definitely pleasantly surprised uh surprise surprise sold

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a lot of graded cards you know from my showcases

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and the show at one point was so busy with

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stuff moving that early on you know i'd sell a

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couple cards i put new cards out in the case

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and was kind of keeping up with it and this

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this show you know i couldn't keep up with the

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empty holes i tried you know i'd fill them some

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more cards would sell and i got to the point

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i was just you know i'd have a stack of

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cards sort of fanned out i just fan them out

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more to do um you know, fill the hole as

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best I can. But by the end of the show,

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you could see in my cases where there were holes

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that I couldn't even fill fast enough. So that is

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always a good problem to have. And very pleased with

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how the show went, especially considering all the surrounding circumstances.

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Have to buy some cards. I actually did buy some

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cards at the show. Nothing special. nothing crazy, bought some Otanis,

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and you say, well, nothing crazy, some lower level Otanis,

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just because I didn't have one to my dealer inventory whatsoever,

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I have some put away in my PC, but not

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in my dealer inventory, so sort of replenished that a

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little bit, bought a few graded cards, and then The

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week after the show, locally, I made some local deals,

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you know, via Marketplace and online and that sort of thing.

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So did I fully restock? You know, I wouldn't. I'd

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say no because I sold a lot of stuff. But

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I have another show in Massachusetts, so I definitely didn't

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want to come into that show with a lot of

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holes in inventory. So I bought enough new inventory to

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be ready. for that Springfield, Massachusetts show. Speaking of that,

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when this comes out, that show will have already taken place.

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If everything goes well, I'll have some interviews with some

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of the show dealers there, and then I have two

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interviews scheduled with one former NBA player and one current

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NBA player. The former one is a Big East legend

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and Big East player of the year in 1994, Danielle Marshall.

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former NBA player, and was in the coaching ranks as well.

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And then UConn legend Cam Spencer, national champion. He's with

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the Memphis Grizzlies. I'll be interviewing him at the show.

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So that, again, if everything goes well, you'll hear those

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interviews on future programming. So that's, you know, so the

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show was good. Over 900 people. Just short of 1,000

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is what the promoter told me walking through the door,

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which is very, very cool. That is a good number

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for our area here in Syracuse. We're not a small city,

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but we're not also a major metropolis either. We're not

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New York or Boston or Los Angeles. So you get

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900 plus through the door. That is a good thing.

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And shows right now are just very successful across the board,

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across the nation. So my fears were, were put aside

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by what happened on Sunday, September 13th. I know I

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don't do a lot of show reviews. I don't, I'm

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not going to do a show review on, on every

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show I do, card show that I do, but this

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one with all the surrounding circumstances, it's been two and

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a half months since I did a show. Um, You know,

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the hobby is alive and well. What was impressive to

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me was a lot of people came up to the

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table and just bought stuff without even like, hey, can

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you do better? Now, I had some of that, too.

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That's par for the course. But it seemed like more

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people just came up and said, hey, I'll take that

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or I'll take those two. Or, hey, if I take

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I'm interested in these three, if I took them all,

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what could you do as far as price goes? So

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business was good. The show was very busy and did

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very well, surprisingly, and thankful and blessed that was the case. So,

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you know, we'll see what the grading landscape brings in

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the future. I don't know. I don't think anyone does.

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Sometimes I don't even think the grading companies know themselves, honestly.

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I think, you know, I scratch my head sometimes with

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some of these things. decision-making, right? We know history tells us, right,

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smart people can make not smart decisions sometimes. You hope

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they don't. You hope it's the opposite, but sometimes that

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does occur. So that's going to do it for this episode.

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I thank everybody out there. Happy collecting, and we'll see

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you soon.
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