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Hey, everyone, welcome to episode twenty one Hobby Quick Hits.
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As we sometimes do on this show, we kind of
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go off format, if you will, that will be the
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case today. My friend Ray Fonio will join us. So
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we do have a guest on today's show, which is
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usually not the case. But we're going to go over
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the twenty twenty six Football Card Hall of Fame candidate
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list for this year's class, and we normally do it
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on Sports Cardination, but with some scheduling and snaffoos and
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all that stuff, we're going to tackle it on this episode.
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So we're going to go through the list forty five
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cards rather quickly. There'd be no new segment, no product
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release segment. We're just gonna go right into the Football
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Card Hall of Fame candidate list and the to vote
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will be in the show notes. We urge you to
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go and vote and get that done to induct this
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year's Card class into the Football Card Hall of Fame.
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So with that being said, let's start the show and
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talk to Ray about this year's potentials. Joining me now
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is my friend Ray from Philly, Ray Fonio. Normally we
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would do this pod this segment, not Sports Cardination, but
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like I said in the intro, between scheduling and time,
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we didn't get it done. But we've already baked in
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a plan myself and Ray and his group. Should be
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the last time we're on this version of hobby Quickets.
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We'll get back on a sports cardination. But Ray is
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the founder of Sports Cards Hall of Fame more than one.
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We're gonna be talking about football today, but there's also
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basketball in baseball as well. And thanks for joining me, Ray.
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I appreciate you having me on again, John, Thank you
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so much.
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Yeah, no, this is this is a worthy a venture.
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A lot of work goes in into it, Like like
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I said, not just you, but also your team as well.
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And I think you know, I don't know why I
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hadn't been done until you kind of tackle this thing
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and uh here we are? What what class will this be?
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What year will this be? For football?
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This is gonna be the fourth annual Football car Hall
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of Fame six already.
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Yeah, where's the time going? Like it doesn't seem like
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I don't know about you, but for for doing this,
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having you on to talk about it doesn't seem like
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for four years where yeah you said, uh here we
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are so fourth year, ye have forty five cards. We're
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gonna go through them. Probably are you gonna do them
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from like all this to most current if you will,
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or newish?
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Yeah, well the oldest.
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We'll go through them. You know, we're not gonna rush rush,
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but we'll go through the kind of briskly. I'll chime
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in not maybe every card, but here and there, and
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you know, we kind of talk about you know, the rules, uh,
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you know, and who gets in, how many get in,
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how many people, how many cards people can vote for,
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where they can go to vote. I'll also put that
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in the show notes, but for those listening as well,
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go over that stuff.
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Well all right, so did you want me to start.
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Yeah, yeah, just kind of the parameters, like like how
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many you know, there's forty five candidate cards, yep, but
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how many make the class that how many of the
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top vote getters.
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Well, there's forty Again, there's forty five cards in the class,
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like there is each year. It used to be the
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first two years myself Bart Bart's cards. In scott Ascani tradition,
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they also head off the football card Hall of Fame.
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We did ten cards the first two years each year
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and then last year and year number three, we had
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lowered it to five. So five cards will be getting
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in this year only because the football card history doesn't
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go as far back as as baseball cards, so we
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wanted to kind of you know, shorten the amount of
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cards that gets in eat yep.
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And so the five top vote getters will get in yep.
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Who comes off the ballot, not to be mean, but
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who yeah.
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Well, in order to keep the ballot fresh each year
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and try and rotate, the bottom five cards of courts
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that finish forty one to forty five will get bumped
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off next year and then they'll so they'll add ten
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new cards each year. So the five cards that get
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inducted it and the five cars that get bumped off,
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so that means thirty five will be returning each year,
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and then ten new cards get put on the ballot
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as new cards. Now, the five cars that get bumped off,
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it's possible they can get put back one as you'll
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see on this year's out on a few cards from
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a couple of years AGO's ballot. Barton Scott decided that
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they wanted to you know, put these cards is another
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chance to get back once since they were such great cards.
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Figure give it a one more shot to see what
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happens to them.
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All right, so uh, if you want, we're gonna go
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from you know, oldest to the newest that has no
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bearing you. A new card can get in, an old
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card may not get in. It's again, it's all based
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power to the people, right and and and uh you
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know who wants what what particular card?
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And so let's let's start right from the oldest stuff
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that we weren't around yet.
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For the well least. The first card is the eighteen
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eighty eight two Harry Beacher card that is considered the
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first football card. Yeah, if people see that card on
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the ball, that it looks like he's holding a football card.
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But it's a beautiful card. And so they started off
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with the eighteen eighty eight n one sixty two Harry Beacher.
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And this year has that been I'm assuming that's been
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on before. Has this card been closed? I mean this
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is night kind of card.
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Yeah. Last year, like I said, top five get in,
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I think it was somewhere around eighth or ninth, So
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it was very close in getting in last year. So
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who knows, maybe this year is the Year'll see. The
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next card is a new card, the eighteen ninety four
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Mayo Cut Plug. And those cars don't really have names
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on them, but it's kind of like a generic. But
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the whist one does have a name of John Dunlop,
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so that was a new card entered in this year
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is a eighteen ninety four Mayo Cut Plug John don Lop.
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A return a card coming back from last year is
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the nineteen thirty five National Chickle Clark Hinkel. There is
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a thirty five National Chickle card in the Hall of
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Fame already. That's the Bronco mcgirsky. A cart that was
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on the ballot in two years ago in twenty twenty
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four is now back going. It was one of the
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five that got bumped off. And that's the forty eight
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bum in Kenny Washington and yeah underrated.
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You know, for those that don't know, again, I'll vote.
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I'm not gonna tell people who I vote for, but
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I will say this. Look, if you don't know who
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Kenny Washington is, google him, as Kurt Signetti would say,
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and learn about. He was a tremendous athlete Italian with
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Jackie Robinson and all that stuff as well. So this one,
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you know a little sentimental to me. I'll just say.
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That, Yeah, I mean it's a pretty classic, great looking
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car at forty eight bone and black and white car.
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That's fantastic. A part that's returning from last year's ballot
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from a big set the forty eight leaf sit Luckman,
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another car coming back again as the forty eight Leaf
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Bobby Lane and.
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Former brief brief Steelers quarterback. I'm wearing my Steelers winter
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winter cap bears as the storm's coming. Yeah, well we're
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all bet we're all betting down here. Yeah it's this
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one's a you know, this one's gonna be a bad one,
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they're saying. So yeah, we'll see hopefully everyone uh you know,
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we we we kind of laugh, but uh you know
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it can cause obviously, uh deaths and and severe injuries,
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and we hope, uh I hope everyone's all right. But
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uh yeah, yeah go ahead. So I just had the.
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Right uh after that is a new card on the
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ballot this year. Uh former Eagle Great running back nineteen
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forty eight leaf Steve Van Buren Big Boy card. So
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the card does say big boyl on there. So this
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is a first year card on the ballot. Ever, a
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card returning from last year is a fifty bum in
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uh Crazy Legs el Roy Crazy Legs hirsh Yeah. And
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another card returning from last year, the nineteen fifty tops
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Felt Joe Peterno former Penn State.
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Yeah does. And I know we've because when we've done
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the show on the other sports Carnation and we will
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you know, when we do that, we put the pictures up. Unfortunately,
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we're not doing that today. I thought that would be
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in by now, truth be told. So I don't know
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how much. I don't know how much Ray like what
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happened at the end and the Sandusky stuff, you know,
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I mean, it's still Joe Paterno, He's still a legend
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in Penn State. And you know, I know it's a
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little tarnished, but I don't think enough to keep that car.
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And plus that card is not easy to find. That
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is a kind of iconic hard to find a lot
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of people. Yeah, and a lot of people's like target
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lists for for years. Right, So maybe that's it too.
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Maybe it's just not enough. Like you might know about it.
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I might know about it. Died in the wool football
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card collectors might know about it, and and then sort
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of that middle tier collector just might not know enough
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about Maybe it's more of that than the whole could be. Yeah,
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no dark cloud stuff, who knows, who knows?
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Coming up after that is a classic card. This is
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a returney from last year. This is I think the
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third year on the ballot, nineteen fifty bowman Doak Walker. Yeah,
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full looking car card that got close last year. It
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was a returney from last year to fifty one bowman
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Norm van Brocklin rookie. Beautiful looking card if people want
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to look this up on the ballot, you know, with
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the blue uniform and the yellow ram horns or great
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looking card. I think this finished like seventh or eighth
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last year, so it's a possibility he was on the cusp.
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Speaking of another card that was on the cusp last
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year was the fifty one bowman Tom Landry, former Great
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Dallas Cowboy head coach, was a player, and you see
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him in the fifty one bowman, a great looking card.
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He as a memory of the Giants. And yeah, that
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one's another one. And I put that kind of with
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paternal two coaching legends and players, right, they both played.
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I mean they're more known for the coaching, were more
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known for the coaching prowers, but they're I mean, they're
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legendary on potentially on some people's mount rushmore of coaches,
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and these are their first cards. Talking about the Paternal
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in this Landry YouTube you just mentioned, these two cards
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not being in at this point are a little both
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surprising to me. I know, we already talked about Turno
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and you know, Landry made his mark obviously in the
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NFL where Paternal did it at the college level. But
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at one time, you know, at times they were the
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pinnacle of coaching at each of those level. When you
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talk coaching, these were one of the first people you
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thought of in those times. And so the fact that
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their first cards are still on the outside looking in,
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I think that will change in both of these cards cases.
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You know, maybe one of them gets in this year,
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the other one eventually, maybe they both will have to
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see right.
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Yeah, And coming up next as a card that is
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a Returney from two years ago. So this was like
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one of the I forgot what the other card was
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that I had stated. That is a return of the
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forty eighth bowman Kenny Washington. This is a similar situation
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they are. This is the fifty one bowman Emlyn Tell
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card looks a great looking car at Barton Scott decided
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that this card absolutely needs a at least one more shot,
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and that's a returney from the twenty twenty four ballot.
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A card that was I finished. I think it finished
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around twelve last year. The nineteen fifty two Bowman Large
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Frank Gifford rookie card. Nice looking card. And the next
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card is a new entry into this year that Barton
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Scott put in is the nineteen fifty two Bowman Large
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Jim Lanceford. It shows his college uniform on the University
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of Texas, beautiful blue background. A card that was summer
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I think finished ten to fifteen last year. It's a
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returning from last year. And that's the fifty two bom
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and George Blanda, great Bears, legendary player.
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into his forties. I've been thinking about it. Yeah, we
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talk about you know how Tom Brady played his forties.
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One of Super Bowl his forties. Ye. Blanda did that
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before the equipment was as high tech as the modern
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as the modern day equipment. And he had a tremendous
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career and he was multi dimensional. He could kick he
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could throw like you know, he was a coach on
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the field, you know, just just he's obviously in the
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real Hall of Fame. Again. This is another card that
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I think it's just a matter of time, whether the
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time is this year, but I think it will happen.
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modern equipment and stuff to stay in shape. Bland that
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probably did it on beer, had nutrition and Garan pizza,
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you know, yeah, nothing else but that. Yeah. Next up
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as a card returned from last year, came very close,
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fifty seven Tops Poll Horning rookie card of the Packers.
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Here's another returning from last year, fifty seven Tops Dick
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Night Train Lane.
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Yeah, that's a classic.
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And now Ray heading into the sixties card number nineteen.
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This's the sixty two Tops Mike Dick, a rookie card.
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I'm surprised this one hasn't gone in yet because he
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was a great coach and a great player.
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Yeah yeah. And then even after his career, even after
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both of those careers were over, Ray player and coach,
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he still didn't just fade into oblivion. He was at ESPN,
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he was an analyst, he was a guest on many
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other football shows. He you know, he didn't mince words.
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You didn't have to wonder how he felt, which I
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always find refreshing and most people do. Not everybody, but
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most people. Yeah, I kind of that's an icon accept too.
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So another card that you know, maybe this is the
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again we'll see.
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I mean, it's kind of tough. It just goes to
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show how tough it is for years to get in. Yeah,
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and here is one of your favorites nineteen sixty two tops,
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Ernie Davis rookie.
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Yeah, listen, I got one. That's that's behind me. You know, listen,
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I'm in Syracuse. He's a Syracuse legend. Most you know,
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you've seen the movie The Express. Even if he didn't
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see the movie Express, you just know about his history.
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The number one first of the African American Heisman Trophy winner,
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only Heisman Trophy winner to come out of Syracuse University,
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the fields named after him at the Dome, and number
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one draft pick with the Browns who had already who
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already had another Syracuse running bag. You might have heard
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of the guy. His name is Jim Brown, I think.
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And then they drafted Ernie Davis to join him to
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be like this too a monster. Unfortunately, the story doesn't
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have a great ending with with Ernie coming down with leukemia.
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Uh.
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And obviously in those days, we didn't we don't have
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the medical uh stuff that we have now, and unfortunately
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never never got to live out his NFL dream. But
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for not living out that NFL dream, as sad as
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that is, he's still a legend in many ways, and
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maybe that plays into it a little bit. I know,
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I said I wasn't gonna politic I lied, I forgot
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about I didn't forget about this card. But I can't
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talk about it and not you know, have some personal
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inflection here, right, This is an icon of card. Uh people.
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A lot of people chase or want this card. This
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is a card I actually have more than one copy,
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and anytime I'm at a show or the National and
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I see one, I always, even though I already own it,
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I still contemplate adding more to what I already have.
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So it's a great card on the ballot.
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Yeah, I'm biased vote for Ernie, but that's I'll leave
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it at that and we'll go to.
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The next card is from the same set. One of
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my favorites is the sixty two tops of the Scrambler,
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fran Tarkenting great look at card.
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In those sets and for those that you know most
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people know, but those black bordered card sets condition obviously
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sensitive and I just love the you know, the two
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pictures and the inset. It's just a iconic set. Like
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I'm not a set collector anymore, Ray, but like that's
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how even has nothing to do with the Ernie Davis,
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even though it's in that obviously card in that set.
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If I ever did you know we all as collectors
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that man, if I ever did a vintage set, what
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what set would I pick? Well, if I had to
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pick a vintage football set, I think nineteeny two would
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probably be my first yep.
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Go wrong. And next up, now we're into this is
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another one of my favorites. Sixty three Fleeer. A lot
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of this is we're mainly AFL players of Lance Alworth
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Rookie card and uh, this card was one of the
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out This one of the cards outside looking in that
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finished very close to sixty three Fleer Lenn Dawson Rookie card.
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Great card. And then now we're going in the top
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sixty three tops of Ray mitchke Bart, one of Scott's
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favorite players. Scott's a Scotty tradition, big Packers fan, so
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he always says on this picture of this card, he's
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only twenty six years old, and he looks, you know yeah,
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sixty three you.
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Know yeah, Well when you hit, when you hit people
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that hard.
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It takes a lot out of you. Same from the
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same set, sixty three Tops Bob Lily and here is
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a new card ad it this year from Scott and
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bart the sixty three Tops Deacon Jones, one of my
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all time favorite players. Uh, creator of the head slap.
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I mean this duy is a big me mean great
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great defensive end.
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Yeah, many many quarterback didn't like to see him. On
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the eposite side.
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That's a cool looking car the green borders. It's a
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great looking car.
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Yep.
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A card that's returning from two years ago. Ballot brought
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back from Scott and Bartes to sixty a Tops Bob
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Greasy Rookie. And then here's a car from last year
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coming back to seventy tops O j. Simpson Rookie and
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the seventy one tops of Mean Joe Green from your team. Man.
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Listen, this is the reason I'm a Steeler fan is
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me and Joe that's my dude. They can't see it.
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It's up there. But I have a figurine and I've
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obviously got that card in more than one copy along
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with some other Me and Joe mean, Joe's my you
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know Jackie everyone knows like a Jackie Robinson guy in baseball. Well,
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me and Joe's my football equivalent to Jackie. And why
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I'm a Steeler fan to this day. The co commercial
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growing up in New York City, didn't like the Giants
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or the Jets, didn't know about the Bills. Uh yet,
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so me Joe will always be you know this this card.
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He's arguably one of the greatest defensive players ever. Forget
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who he played for, just as a as a player.
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So another card, I'm surprised not and yet that'll that'll
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be all I say there, you know, going back to
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the O. J. Simpson, uh rookie for you previously mentioned.
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We obviously know about all the stuff post career he's
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got the way I look at I get. I get
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how that might hinder that card because personal feelings and
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beliefs towards you know, whether he did that heinous crime
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or not. But again, as a football player, only separating
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the two, one of the greatest running backs to to
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ever do it. And you know he's gone now. If
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you if you're if you know, like Pete Rose, if
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he's like, well, I'm not putting him in while he's here,
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well that will be his punishment. He's gone now. So
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if you vote for the Simpson card, that makes you
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feel better. That not that he would know anyway, but
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like you know, using that sort of real Hall of
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Fame rationale, you know, separating the player from the off
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the field stuff. Just still and that card, you know,
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Ray as a dealer, I set up and I have
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that ship card sometimes in my cases doesn't last long.
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In my cases, I'll be very honest. People still want
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to own the card.
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Yeah, it is an iconic card. But going to Joe
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Green just to give you and your listeners heads up,
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this car finished ninth last year. Yeah it was in
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the top ten. Yeah, soga happened.
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That's Magga happened.
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Next up is the seventy seven top Steve Largent Rookie
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great Receiver from the Seahawks. Then we have the seventy
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eight tops Tony Dorset rookie from the Cowboys, Great running Back,
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seventy nine Tops are all Campbell. That pretty much completes
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the seventies.
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Tony Dorset to you as an Eagles fan, yeah, Earl
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Campbell's that to me as a Steelers fan, right, the
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emmesis running back that whether we beat that team or not,
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whether you know the Eagles beat the Cowboys or the
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Steelers beat the Oilers, those guys always did damage and
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if we lost, they were usually generally probably a key
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cock to why that happened happened. And even as playing
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on sort of our tribal teams, you know, you respect
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greatness even though they're not wearing your favorite uniform. And
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I think you with Dorset and me with Earl Campbell
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and Arol Campbell. You know, injuries took its toll on
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his career, but watch some of those old tapes. Yeah,
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a Jim Brown sort of feel to him. You know,
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it was obviously a post Brown, but he was sort
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of the the seventies and early eighties version of kind
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of to me, I just felt a little bit that
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from him. So again, another great candidate.
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Definitely, he was a he was a bruiser. Yeah, and
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here's another tough guy. The nineteen eighty two Top's Ronnie Lot,
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Brookie card Uh, some of his kids out there. Another
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story about Ronnie Lott. This was a guy at halftime
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had a broken finger and had the doctor's cut part
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of his finger off tape it pack.
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That's insane. Can you imagine like the doctor, the look
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on the doctor's face like what yeah, and then not
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only to have that procedure done ray, but then go
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back out there and play right, and now we got
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it again. I don't mean to sound you know, but
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it's true.
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But what you're gonna say is true. I mean you don't.
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See, like look into some of the today's games. They
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get a little stinger and they're questionable to return, and
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many times that's it for him for that game or
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the last couple of weeks.
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Yeah, around two or three goes to show the passion
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and the lovely half of the game. It wasn't about
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the money.
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It really was, and they weren't making Some of those
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guys had jobs in the off seasons. The Durance were
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doing like speaking engagements like they loved the game and
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they would do anything including get appendages amputated to play.
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That's crazy, and we're writing the same year now. Probably
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the greatest defensive player of all time, the eighty two
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tops Lawrence Taylor rookie. This finished, I want to say sixth,
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so it was the first card that missed being in
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last year two tops Lawrence Taylor rookie. Definitely, you know,
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my opinion, the greatest defensive player of all time.
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Yeah, that's an Eagles fan given accolades to it.
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I mean, I could stay Reggie White, you know. But yeah,
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let's be real, Lawrenceton.
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I'm gonna still save me and Joe and a quick
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fun story. I'll make this. I'll make this short. A
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couple of years ago with the National, I attended an
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after show party with a now defunct company and a
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lot of athletes were there. Was very cool. I got
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to meet my basketball idol, which is Chris Mullin from Brooklyn.
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That was cool. But Lawrence Taylor was there and I
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went up to him and talked to him and say,
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you know, Lawrence, pleasure meeting you, like you're the second
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greatest defensive player of all time in my book, you know,
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And he's like, oh, really, who's the first. I got
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to ask who's the first, and I'm like, oh, it's me,
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Joe Green. He goes you know what, this was him talking.
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He goes, I was ready to argue with you, but
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me and Joe was tremendous. And if I'm not going
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to be first and it's me and Joe, it's hard
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to argue. So I won't. And he proceeded to talk
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like I don't want to bug THEMS. I kept it
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like thanks, thanks, Lawrence, And he's kept grabbing me by
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the shoulder to stay and keep talking to me. Twenty minutes.
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And when Lawrence Taylor grabbed you by the shoulder, you
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don't really go. You don't really go anywhere.
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Could you imagine him on the Steel Curtain team with
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me Joe?
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That would be insane.
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Ham and Lambert would Taylor?
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Well, that one of those would probably not be there
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if they had, you know, yeah, physically possible, but yeah,
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cool moment. You know, even though I'm not necessarily with
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Giants Fanner. But you can't argue he was a crazy dude,
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still dude, but you can't argue with he changed when
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he came along. He changed the linebacker position again, you know,
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like a new iteration of it.
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So yep, for sure. And next up we're into the
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USFL era. This is the eighty four USFL Steve Young
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rookie cart This is a returny from the twenty four ballot.
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And speaking of USFL and great defensive players, eighty four
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USFL Reggie White, rookie. I will say, maybe not the
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greatest all around defensive player, but I do have him
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as the greatest defensive vandal of all time.
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Yep. I don't argue that. I won't argue that. I
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kind of feel the same way. And this is a
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card that it's not a short pert necessary, but you
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don't see these all the time. They're not all over
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the you know, you see Marino rookies and Montana rookies.
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You turn left, you turn right. This is one of
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those cards, and again a lot of people want. It's
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on a lot of people's left, which is saying something
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from the defensive side of the ball right. Yeah, everyone
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likes to touchdown guys and the quarterbacks and the running
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back and the receivers. But Reggie YUSF outcard. This one
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kind of you know, that just shows you how much
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competition there is in this field. A card like that
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is still on the outside looking for sure, yep.
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And next up is in nineteen eighty nine Pro set
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Santa Claus card. Then this card's been hanging around for years.
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It's been doing pretty well. Same year. Now we're onto
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the eighty nine score of Dion Sanders's Rookie Card Prime Time,
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so that's a great card, and the eighty nine score
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supplemental Boat Jackson. This card finished pretty high. As matter
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of fact, it finished I think it was around twentieth
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twenty first and the low twenties, which is pretty good. Both.
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Jackson great iconic figure in football. As a shame what
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happened to him. He would have been believable. And here's
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a nineteen ninety pro set promos. It's a return from51200:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.559
Bart Scott from two years ago of the classic Vince51300:28:23.599 --> 00:28:28.480
Lombardi Trophy card. And then we have the nineteen ninety51400:28:28.599 --> 00:28:33.720
score supplemental EMITTT. Smith Rookie card beautiful car, blue borders.51500:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.559
Yeah, I'm not a dobviously, I'm not a Dallas fan51600:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.799
being a Steeler fan, but Emmett Smith for me was51700:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.039
one of those guys that I sort of rooted for,51800:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.920
even though it was the Cowboys. I can't speak for51900:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.960
you being an Eagles fan, same division, this was a52000:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.960
different conference. For me. Well, what I loved about Emmett52100:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.559
Ray was like he did his talking with his play52200:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.400
in the field. He wasn't a big raw rock guy.52300:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.359
You know. He scored touch and he'd handle the ball52400:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.160
to the ref and you know, sort of the odds52500:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.759
against some kind of small in stature for the running52600:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.119
back position. Many people didn't think he'd have a great52700:29:10.160 --> 00:29:14.279
career with his size coming out of Florida of the Gators,52800:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.680
and he proved a lot of people wrong and became52900:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.079
the rushing leader of all time at least as of53000:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.160
right now. And I think doesn't get enough credit. And53100:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.720
like you said, this is not kind of card with53200:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.400
the dark borders. Only comes out of a supplemental set,53300:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.200
so you're not gonna pull this card out of a pack.53400:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.839
And I just think it's a great card because it's53500:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.640
just not a million of them, you know. I think53600:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.160
that that goes into some of the lore of these cards.53700:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.759
How many, how easy or not easy are they to find?53800:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.759
And it's not a short printed card. But being that53900:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.000
it doesn't come out of you're going to can't pull54000:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.240
it out of a pack. You have to have a set,54100:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.079
and these are factory Seld sets, so to get the54200:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.640
actual card someone has to take the cellophane off the set,54300:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.599
break the seal and pull the card out right and54400:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.559
then obviously break the set up.54500:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.720
So yeah, and the blue border is really nice. And54600:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.640
for people looking this card up, they're playing against the giants.54700:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.240
And if I'm not mistaken, the guy that's chasing him54800:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.400
down could be Lawrence Taylor. Yeah, yep, because I see54900:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.839
a number five right behind him, but I don't.55000:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.960
See they think it might be it's Lawrence Taylor.55100:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.079
After this is a card that hung around, just barely55200:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.720
hung around. Last year, the ninety one Stadium Club Brett55300:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.440
Favrookie finished I think thirty or fortieth, so it was55400:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.839
the last card to continue one.55500:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.720
Yeah, and another guy right post careers. Some controversy, I55600:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.559
think I take that probably hurts the cards. Candidacy, truth55700:30:48.599 --> 00:30:49.559
be told.55800:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.079
A little bit. Yeah, And after that we have the55900:30:53.200 --> 00:30:58.119
ninety eight sp authentic Peyton Manning Rookie card, trying to56000:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.240
get into some of the modern to show everybody, you know,56100:31:00.359 --> 00:31:01.680
we too, not just the vintage.56200:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.160
Yeah yeah, and these are you know, we say modern56300:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.359
ninety eight, that's a year old car.56400:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.000
Now, you know that's funny for me?56500:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.799
Yeah? Yeah, No, you're right, it's funny. We can laugh56600:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.000
at that. To someone else, they're like, yeah, I had56700:31:20.039 --> 00:31:24.000
ten years to be born yet you know so, And56800:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.599
I'm a big Peyton Manning guy. I think you know,56900:31:26.680 --> 00:31:28.599
he's got a couple of rings with the Colts, one57000:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.599
with the Broncos, played in the same error with Brady,57100:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.160
which I don't think helped him. But you know, I57200:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.759
make the argument and people, you know, some people will57300:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.759
agree with me and others think I'm nuts. I like57400:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.759
quarterback wise, like Peyton Manning's right there with Tom Brady,57500:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.440
just doesn't have as many rings. He didn't have the57600:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.960
support cast in the same way that Brady did or57700:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.160
even the coaching. Uh you know, there was no Belichick57800:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.359
with Manning. So I love picking up not just you know,57900:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.160
just Peyton Manning, rookies in general because I think they're58000:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.759
like tremendously undervoved and here's a guy still doing it58100:32:03.799 --> 00:32:08.759
today on TV and just funny. It could be his58200:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.960
comedic career was almost as good as this quarterback Quarterback58300:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.240
Chops along with the brother Eli and even Cooper gets58400:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.680
in on the action too lately.58500:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.000
Yeah yeah, Well, speaking of Tom Brady, the next card58600:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.400
is this two thousand playoff contenders. Tom Brady autograph card,58700:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.359
which is very rare to find that car.58800:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.039
Do you think this is another one like there? You58900:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.480
can make an argument that of all these cards, that's59000:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.920
what might be on many people's Hey, you get only59100:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.880
one of these cards, but you get to keep it.59200:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.359
Many people would take this Brady card. Do you think59300:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.759
because of how expensive it is, maybe he's hurting it's59400:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.319
it's candidcy because they can't visualize really owning it in59500:32:52.400 --> 00:32:53.799
the realistic scenario.59600:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.720
Yeah, I think that's part of it, as well as59700:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.759
that people are looking at what they think they can afford.59800:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.799
But it beans that this card is not just a59900:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.680
base it's an autograph on there as well, which really60000:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.799
jacks up the price in his card. Probably does steer60100:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.480
people away from thinking, well, I would never hone this60200:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.319
card anyway. But truth be told, people have to really60300:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.359
look at the card, not look at what they think60400:33:16.359 --> 00:33:17.519
they would be able to hone it.60500:33:17.839 --> 00:33:18.680
Yep, yep.60600:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.880
And the last, but not least is a twenty seventeen60700:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.759
Now this is modern Panini prison prison. Patrick Mahomes rookie,60800:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.880
this is actually Cartech got bumped two years ago and60900:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.400
Bart Scott brought this one back because I mean, he's61000:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.359
a three time super Bowl champion, could win war before61100:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.200
his career is over. They revamped the offense a little bit.61200:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.319
He's still a young guy. Could win one, maybe even61300:33:42.319 --> 00:33:43.599
two more, who knows.61400:33:43.880 --> 00:33:45.720
I agree with you. I think there's one or two61500:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.240
more rings before is all of the said and done.61600:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.599
Unless you know, things just get off track. God forbid61700:33:51.599 --> 00:33:52.119
an injury.61800:33:52.440 --> 00:33:52.599
You know.61900:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.240
I know he's injured now, but he's tracking back to62000:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.960
be ready for for next on him out, you know.62100:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.960
And that's a smart organization he's in. I think they'll62200:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.599
figure some things out. I think there's at least one62300:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.719
more ring somewhere in the horizon before all and said62400:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.239
and done. And even if he doesn't get another ring62500:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.320
where I think you'll agree with this. I mean, he's62600:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.360
gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Injury, he's gonna be,62700:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.400
I think. I here's the question if he if he62800:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.400
stopped playing today, does he get is the Hall of Famer?62900:34:23.639 --> 00:34:24.159
I think so?63000:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.280
In your Yeah, I agree, I think I never really63100:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.840
thought about it till I just asked you. But yeah,63200:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.800
I think he thinks a Hall of Fame prison Rookie63300:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.440
card I mean ken, you know, like my saying goes,63400:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.000
I'm not throwing that out.63500:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.440
Of bed, but that was the last one on the ballot.63600:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.159
Yeah, that it's it's so tough because only five, right, Like,63700:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.119
there's just gonna be so many that are worthy, as63800:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.159
we just discussed, right that you can make a case63900:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.360
for every single one of these cards to be in64000:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.159
and maybe at some point they all will be over64100:34:59.199 --> 00:35:04.039
the years. Yeah, but you know, five we're gonna get in. Uh,64200:35:04.639 --> 00:35:06.519
you know, tell people we're gonna we're gonna make some64300:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.760
picks on the playoffs being you know, this weekend. But64400:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.159
before we do that and kind of and again I'll64500:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.119
put this in the show notes, so you know, don't64600:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.199
catch Ray telling you. Look in the show notes click64700:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.440
the link there. But where can people go when it64800:35:22.519 --> 00:35:26.960
is voting start? End? And where do people go to vote?64900:35:27.239 --> 00:35:31.360
Yeah, voting started on Monday, January nineteenth, so it's currently65000:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.920
active now and people can go to my channel Ray65100:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.679
from Philly on YouTube. The link is down below and65200:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.119
they can just hit on the link and there will65300:35:41.159 --> 00:35:45.639
be the ballot. Voting ends on Friday, February sixth for65400:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.480
that Super Bowl weekend. Myself Bart at Bart's cards in65500:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.880
scott a scanty tradition, will record that night on Friday,65600:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.440
and it'll be released on Super Bowl Sunday or actually65700:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.320
I think on the day before. So it's gonna be65800:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.119
on Super Bowl weekend, which we poly tind of because65900:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.559
we thought that was the perfect time. That that's cool. Yeah,66000:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.159
on super Bowl weekend. So yeah, it's gonna it's trivia,66100:36:07.199 --> 00:36:08.639
a lot of fun. You could vote for up to66200:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.199
ten cards, but only the top five getmes.66300:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.960
Yeah, that's cool. Well the only one, listen, the only66400:36:15.000 --> 00:36:20.239
politicket I'll do. Uh, vote for me, Joe, for Everie Davis.66500:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.559
That's and and obviously I'll be along with eight other66600:36:23.639 --> 00:36:26.199
cards as well. I won't mention the other I'll let66700:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.679
that the secret. But you know, two of them, I'll66800:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.039
let you out of the bag if you will. But listen,66900:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.400
I know they're not here. But like you mentioned, you know,67000:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.239
Barton Scotty, just continue in this tradition, which I believe67100:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.119
is important. I think it has a place. Uh there's67200:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.039
there's you know, like we have regular sports, all the fames,67300:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.079
why not you know, we have iconic athletes, we have67400:36:52.360 --> 00:36:53.119
iconic cards.67500:36:53.519 --> 00:36:57.360
Yeah, absolutely, and both deserve a lot of credit. Because67600:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.840
it resist to me. Those two football guys are really knowledgeable.67700:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.599
Bart's cards and Scanni tradition. I mean, they do a67800:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.119
lot of work in picking the ballot. It's not easy67900:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.360
leave me, I know because I picked the baseball card ballot,68000:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.480
and people are always questioning this that or anything else.68100:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.119
So they do a great job for sure.68200:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.000
No doubt. And you know, it's it's always fun to vote, right,68300:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.760
and it's power to the people, Like the people are68400:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.039
voting for these cards, and so you have it's not68500:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.679
your group saying hey, here's the five cards we picked68600:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.639
this year. The people make those picks with their votes,68700:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.280
and I think that's uh, that's cool. And like I68800:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.119
said before during the intro, the next time we do68900:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.639
this next year, it'll be the long form version. We'll69000:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.639
have graphics. We'll have Barton Scottie hopefully along with us.69100:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.880
So we'll go four wide and maybe get a little69200:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.159
you know, a little deeper dive.69300:37:54.440 --> 00:37:55.480
Uh yeah, definitely.69400:37:55.880 --> 00:37:57.960
All right, So you're the guest, I'm gonna give you69500:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.039
the picks. Let you make your first and then i'll69600:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.679
tell you. You know, if I have it the same,69700:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.440
I'm not here what you say, I already know where69800:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.760
I'm going because I thought about it, and truth be told,69900:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.280
I'm a little bit of a sports better. I don't70000:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.719
it's not I don't bet my mortgage in my house,70100:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.480
but I throw a few bucks here and there on70200:38:18.480 --> 00:38:23.119
on you know, baseball and football, more football, you know,70300:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.159
let's start with the a f C. Got two strong70400:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.719
defensive units, two young quarterbacks, uh In bow Knicks and70500:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.880
Drake May Broncos Patriots. It's in Denver. How do you know?70600:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.840
How do you who do you see coming out and70700:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.880
headed to the super Bowl in this one?70800:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.559
Well, if I'm not mistaken, I think bow Mix is.70900:38:43.719 --> 00:38:48.280
L oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, we got Jared Stidham. Yeah,71000:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.440
I've just had you know, I liked you know, yeah,71100:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.039
good call. Thank you for I knew that I just71200:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.480
had a brain fart. Yeah, and that maybe that factors71300:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.679
into your pick were my pay Yeah, you know, I'll71400:39:01.719 --> 00:39:03.079
let you go first.71500:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.519
Because if bow Knicks was playing in Denver at home,71600:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.000
I was gonna pick Denver all the way. But it's71700:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.840
a big change now. Even though the head coach I71800:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.519
forgot his name for the Denver Broncos, Sean Payton, he71900:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.800
seems very confident that He's done this before with backup quarterbacks,72000:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.440
but I don't know. This is a little different. This72100:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.440
is a week to prepare, it's a championship game. I72200:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.519
know it's home in front of his home crowd. And72300:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.840
I do think Sean Payton is a great coach. He72400:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.199
I think he will get more than what people expect72500:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.400
out of this Stidham backup quarterback. He'll do better than72600:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.159
people think. Be that as it may. Drake May is72700:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.440
having a phenomenal year. If bow Knicks was playing, I72800:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.880
would slightly give the edge to Denver bro I'm going72900:39:46.920 --> 00:39:47.719
with New England.73000:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.159
Man. You almost it's like you read my mind. This73100:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.760
is exactly kind of how I see it. It's sad73200:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.079
that Knicks got hurt on sort of, you know, towards73300:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.920
the end of the game. And if you see the play, yeah,73400:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.320
it doesn't look it's not like a devastating headed just73500:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.920
the way you got rolled up. Yeah, and it's unfortunate73600:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.599
like that may be a factor to why the rest73700:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.000
of the team doesn't move on. I'm not gonna spend73800:40:14.039 --> 00:40:18.000
a lot of time. You kind of see almost verbatim73900:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.400
as I do. And you made another point I agree with,74000:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.360
even with Stidham. You know, I think this game, being74100:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.039
Denver at home, they still got a great defense. This74200:40:28.159 --> 00:40:32.840
game's probably closer than people might think with bow Nick's74300:40:32.920 --> 00:40:36.000
not playing. So I'm with you. I think the Patriots74400:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.280
win a close one. I think Dick's not being there.74500:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.519
I'm not gonna say that's the only difference, but it74600:40:42.599 --> 00:40:47.960
definitely hurts Denver's chances. So we're we're in the same74700:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.280
side of the aisle there. Let's head over to the NFC.74800:40:52.239 --> 00:40:56.239
You got the Rams Seahawks. This is a division. This74900:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.800
is the third time they're gonna play this year, so75000:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.639
very familiar with each other. How do you see this75100:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.360
one winding up?75200:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.400
Well? Seattle, they say in the NFL is the toughest75300:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.039
place to play on the road. The fans, they're the75400:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.079
decibel up over there is quite deafening. It's really tough75500:41:17.079 --> 00:41:21.239
to win on the road. And Seattle's having a quietly75600:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.920
great year this year. Their running game of Kenneth Walker75700:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.599
has finally woken up. They finally figured out how to75800:41:27.679 --> 00:41:32.800
use Kenneth Walker. Sam Darnold, his career has been resurgence.75900:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.599
Be that as it may, I'm picking the Rams. I76000:41:36.599 --> 00:41:41.920
think Matt Stafford his experience and poking the kula. They76100:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.280
have two good running backs. I like Blake Krum and76200:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.519
Irian Williams. They're good. I mean, I think the coach76300:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.840
that they have is the best coach in the league76400:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.400
by far. I think McVeigh is number one without Adele.76500:41:57.639 --> 00:41:59.960
And I think you're going to have a Patriots Rams76600:42:00.119 --> 00:42:06.559
rematch from when Brady Kurt Warner on a TIERI field76700:42:06.599 --> 00:42:07.320
goal at the end.76800:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.920
Would you get inside my head Bray now like this76900:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.840
this is insane because listen again, I think we're along77000:42:14.880 --> 00:42:15.920
the same lines here.77100:42:17.239 --> 00:42:17.480
Darn.77200:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.039
You know, Sam Donald kind of has revived his career,77300:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.440
got a second chance again. You know a lot of77400:42:24.440 --> 00:42:27.239
people had thrown him on the trash heap as he77500:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.840
was a bus pick, you know, revived his career in Minnesota. Uh,77600:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.119
and then then took that to Seattle, had to, like77700:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.639
you said, had a tremendous year. You know, Jackson Smith77800:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.440
and Jigba arguably the number one receiver in the NFL.77900:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.639
I think the difference in this game, and this would78000:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.920
be another one. Listen to all the games they've played78100:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.599
this year been very competitive, very close. I think this78200:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.400
one as well, Like you said, Seattle is a tough78300:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.000
place to play, but I, like you, I am going78400:42:59.079 --> 00:43:03.039
with the Rams. I just feel like some of Donald's78500:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.400
bad games have happened against the Rams. And I'm not78600:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.159
saying he's a bad quarterback, but I think he's due78700:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.079
for maybe not a great game, maybe not even a78800:43:13.119 --> 00:43:17.920
bad game. And I think obviously Stafford's the older, veteran quarterback,78900:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.000
less likely to maybe make a mistake, and I think79000:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.440
that might be the difference. And he's got two incredible79100:43:25.519 --> 00:43:31.000
receivers with Pukin Nakua and DeVante Adams. We talked about79200:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.239
the two running backs and Williams and korm I think,79300:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.400
and both defenses are very similar and very good. I79400:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.119
think it's gonna be another close game. We got two79500:43:41.119 --> 00:43:45.719
great games this weekend. I think it's the Rams, though.79600:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.719
I think there's a Donald mistake late in the second79700:43:49.760 --> 00:43:54.519
half of the game that unfortunately costs the Seahawks to79800:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.000
move not move on. And like you, I got it79900:43:59.199 --> 00:44:03.760
Rams Rams Patriots rematch. That being said, let's you know,80000:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.239
we're not going to have another show before the Super Bowl,80100:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.840
so let's assume where Geniu says, and we're right, you80200:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.599
got winning these Rams Patriots super Bowl match.80300:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.280
Oh, that's tougher. I would give the slight edge to80400:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.000
Stafford only because if they're down, which I could see80500:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.639
them being down late in the game. He's a veteran80600:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.639
quarterback that I could see him pulling off a drive80700:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.320
save from the thirty yard line or something, putting the80800:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.679
team at least within field goal range if they're down80900:44:33.719 --> 00:44:35.960
by the best in the field goal or even giving81000:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.280
them a shot to go to score a touchdown if81100:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.639
they need be. That's a really tough one. I'm going81200:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.239
to have a very very slight edge to the Rams.81300:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.159
All right, We in agreement, but in a little bit81400:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.480
of in a different way. I don't. I think if81500:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.039
this is what the matchup is and that's what we're assuming,81600:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.159
I don't think it's a blowout, but I think the81700:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.679
Rams pull away in the second half. Drake may young,81800:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.840
he's he's you know, he's not playing terrible, but he81900:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.320
has turned the ball over in recent games. And I82000:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.159
think that Super Bowl, well, I think Drake may eventually82100:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.239
wins the Super Bowl. I do. I just don't think82200:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.480
this is going to be the year it happens. If82300:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.320
they wind up. Actually, I think even if the Seahawks,82400:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.360
I think I think it's I think whoever wins the82500:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.519
NFC game wins wins the Super Bowl. So I'm gonna82600:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.639
go with the Rams. I think May a couple of mistakes. Stafford,82700:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.360
you know, plays sound football, and you know they win82800:45:34.440 --> 00:45:39.159
by nine or ten points. Yeah, be wrong, Listen, we're human, right,82900:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.920
Just don't take any what me or Ray says, and83000:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.320
bet if you do, that's on you don't call us83100:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.719
and we owe you money. I think I think the83200:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.280
Rams win. I don't think it's maybe as close as83300:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.880
you said. I think just the veteran you know in83400:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.599
New England, the very young team they're on to come up.83500:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.960
This is a team that won like four games last year.83600:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.519
As you probably know, Ray, what Rabel's done, and that83700:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.360
quick amount of time is just studying.83800:46:11.559 --> 00:46:14.280
Yeah, so this team is gonna.83900:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.639
Be a force to be reckoned with in the AFC,84000:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.239
probably for years to come. I think May and Rabel84100:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.280
get another Lombardi post Belichick there. I just don't think84200:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.800
this will be the year. We both could be wrong,84300:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.079
That's why we watched the games. But I think it's84400:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.119
the NFC Super Bowl to lose, if you will, So yeah,84500:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.800
I agree, you know, I think Obviously the Knicks injury84600:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.559
plays into that as well. I think May is just84700:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.400
he's right there, but he's I don't think he's ready.84800:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.599
I think the hotlights might be a little too hot84900:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.920
this year. But I think eventually he'll get it done.85000:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.079
I just don't think this year. But whatever the case85100:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.239
may be, you know, it's football. I love watching it,85200:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.000
and hopefully my Steelers can get back the promise. We're85300:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.440
gonna have a new guy wearing a headset on the sideline.85400:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.840
As of this recording, we don't know who that is yet,85500:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.159
but you know, and I like Mike Tomlin Ray, but85600:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.679
you know, you notice, I think with the Andy Reid85700:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.639
and sometimes when the coach is there so long, the85800:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.280
voice gets lost. It's like it doesn't resonate the same way.85900:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.760
And I think that's what happened with Tom. And we86000:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.559
hadn't won a playoff game in nine years. And not86100:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.679
only have we not won a playoff game, the ones86200:47:32.719 --> 00:47:34.519
we got and we got run out of the gym86300:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.400
and lost by double digits every time. And I think86400:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.639
it's time to try a different approach, a new direction.86500:47:41.719 --> 00:47:45.000
We might take a few lumps in four years for86600:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.960
a couple of years, until we can. But it's worth it,86700:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.079
you know. That's the other thing. When you win nine86800:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.159
or ten games, you don't get a high draft pick, right,86900:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.239
And we got to figure out the quarterback situation too,87000:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.159
so but it's fun to watch it. You know. I'll87100:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.320
always be a Steeler fan, regardless of who the coach is87200:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.920
it and uh, I appreciate you making some time again,87300:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.760
UH for future renditions of this will be on the87400:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.199
bigger show with more bells and whistles. But I also87500:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.960
didn't want to not cover the football card Hall of Him,87600:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.159
thank you either, So so thanks Ray and for everyone else,87700:48:25.559 --> 00:48:31.039
go vote, go watch them football and enjoy the enjoy joy,87800:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.239
enjoy it as we come down to the end of87900:48:33.039 --> 00:48:34.119
the football season.88000:48:34.559 --> 00:48:34.960
Thank you.
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