Feb. 3, 2025

Best Cards of Non Hall of Fame Players Card Mensches E57

Best Cards of Non Hall of Fame Players Card Mensches E57
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John is back and we tackle the best baseball cards of players not in the Hall of Fame.



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to Carton Man. What's up?

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What is going on?

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No pinch matches today? I back in the lineup. I

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don't know if I'm new and approved. I'm just the same,

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but I'm just here.

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About that filling in for John Newman? Is John Newman?

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Yeah, I'm pinch hitting for the Pinch Hitters episode fifty seven.

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Like the set you're trying to put together. We agreed

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on this topic, which I think is a good one.

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Best baseball cards of non Hall of Famers. I'll just

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say I've got eleven, eleven or twelve cards on my list,

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and probably sixty seventy percent of them are sort of

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like chalk picks. What you expect would be the same

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on a lot of other people's lists, and then there's

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some that might be off the beaten path. So I'll

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just say that with my list.

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I'm also hoping, first of all, held on to everybody

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on the Stewart's Ruben Good Evening. I roughly came up

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with a small list as per the shows on Loving that.

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Yeah you got it interactive you gotta.

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And I know you guys don't believe it. John and

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I have not shared our full list with each other.

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No, I we don't like to do that. I think

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it's we like the spot naighty. Obviously, some of the

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picks are gonna be the same. They just that's you know,

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you get a list of ten to fifteen, you're not

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gonna have all different You're not gonna have thirty. You know,

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if we each have fifteen, we're not gonna have thirty

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different cards. You know, last we shared our list and

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made a point out there.

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This is this is all honest and organic. What's up?

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Hodges appreciate it. If you like this video, give it

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a like and a follow.

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Ruben's like, I'm starting to show without you guys.

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Yeah, Ruby, you're gonna leave us on the dove would

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normally John and I try to figure out who's gonna

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go first.

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Rubs Like you guys talk too much. Let's here we go.

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Yeah, let's just think of the car he.

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Hit lift off. He's like three two.

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One, no, no, no four player for Ruben.

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Gets right into it. Hey man, and safe time.

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Well do you want to start with the one that

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we agreed? Well, we think it's the most often.

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Yeah. Yeah, and that's a good one by by Orlando

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right off the top. It didn't make my list. I

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will say that you won't see it. Yeah, all right,

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here we go. This is this is chalk right, this

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sixty three tops Pete Rose, rookie. This card acts like

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pizza in the hall already, and we all know at

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this moment he's not and we just lost him. I'm hoping.

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I always said that the Hall is going to put

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him in when he passes away, and so now we're

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at that point, and I just wonder if and when,

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like will that will that Newman prophecy come true? Because

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that's what I think was the plan all along. Hasn't

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happened yet. So this card qualifies for this list. I mean,

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but when you try to buy this card, and I

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got to say, I don't own one of the at

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the moment, and sometimes I'll search for one, and this

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thing is priced as if Pete's already in the Hall,

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and I get it. Like, no one's arguing whether Pete

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Rose is a Hall of Famer. It's just the band

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that's preventing it, you know, like when we have debates,

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you know, Dave Parker, Steve Garvey about whether they're hallworthy

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or whoever, Harold Baines is no insert or whatever name.

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Pete Rose will never be on that list. Pete Rose

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is only not in the Hall for the one major reason.

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That's your question. What do you think the odds are

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he gets in?

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Like what's the time span, like ever five to ten years? Well,

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I think he does now that. Unfortunately he's no longer

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with us, you know, because you I mean the guys

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that you know, he is an easy Hall of Famer.

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If he was on the ballot, he should be unanimous,

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if you take away what happened, and he was just

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on the as a player, there being one that shouldn't vote. No.

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Yeah, I mean part of me says he did it

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to himself. The other part of me says he's paid

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his due and it's time to let him in.

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So so, yeah that one you picked that too, right.

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Yeah, I had, I had it also. I think that's

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one of the one of the ones. Now I will

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throw a Ruben's list up real quick, and I will

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say some of these are online, not not all of

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them by anyone.

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Let's see, I'm trying to count man one of these

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Ruben's gonna like, I'm gonna be off the Christmas card

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list that I'm not on.

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So card menches, card menches, Okay, well, then do you

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want to lead it off on the non chalk cards

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even though we have the other one? Later?

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All right, this one, I don't know how many, you know,

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I don't know how many people would have this kind.

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It would probably make a few people's list. Anyone that's

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heard my content knows I'm a fanboy and lover of

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this card and it is iconic, and it is a

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guy that's obviously not in the hall. Maybe that should

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be I dig you and I love this card. That

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costs me a lot of money chasing chasing it back

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in nineteen eighty four, but there it is. Eighty four

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Doners died madly. This would be one of my favorite

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cards with no qualifiers, So the fact that we make

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a qualified guys not in the hall this really shot

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up my list. I'm not gonna even say it's my

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number one card, but it's pretty close to it. And

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everyone knows I like big face rookies and I cannot lie.

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And this is, you know, Griffy eighty nine upper deck,

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this one I'm always saving. That's the only thing. If

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they and if they ever making like a like a

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heritage version, and if they asate, I'm not gonna lie.

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Even though I don't buy a lot of new stuff,

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I might cross the picket line that day.

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I stood away from this because I knew you were.

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Gonna you did. Yeah, yeah, this is like low hanging.

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I mean it's New York. I was happy to skip.

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Yeah, even Orioles fans though, like he wasn't a trade.

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And I love this card. Actually, the eighty four tops

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maningly was was in the first box I ever broke

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before top.

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The problem I have with this card today is when

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I get him, I don't want to sell them. No

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matter how many I have, I'm always like, I'm gonna

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keep them all And then I'm like, how many do

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you need? Newman? So they always eventually some of them

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make it back into the Dealer showcase of mind. But

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there's I'm in this room. Is what I'm looking at.

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I can see it from on the wall, not behind

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me over there.

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I'll give John a chance to read this and laugh

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at me. We haven't talked about this yet, uh yet. Now,

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Justin Tucker is not in my pet.

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You know what, he made my fan not this year

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but past years. And he made like he got me

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in a couple of Fantasy League playoffs because like that's

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tough for a Steeler fan. But he you know, maybe

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not this year, but best kicker of football.

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Maddy Ka even today, eighty four stretched me as one

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of the most attractive sets ever. That was the year

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Dunros made the leap. Yep, I think there's.

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Think about think about the couple releases before eighty four

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donners and then put them up against it, like it's

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like single A the major leagues, Like I don't know

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what happened early. I don't know what happened. Yeah, I

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don't know what happened in late eighty three and where

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I'd love to know the story if anyone knows, and

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lots of comments like what was the story, like did

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they have a new designer? You know, after two terrible years?

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Where did this come out? Left field? Literally?

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Yeah, well I definitely left you maddeningly Well, yeah.

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That one, and that one was probably one of the

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first ones I wrote down.

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I'm gonna throw another one up. Will you throw up

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the one you haven't uh with the orange background because

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now somebody yeah, somebody mentioned it in the.

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Chat nineteen fifty eight. Roger merris Man. There's obviously his rookie,

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you know, another one of those guys that you can

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debate both sides should be in. Here's why he's not,

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you know, I kind of I'm I'm you know, Roger

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merris had one of the greatest years in basement.

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It's not the year before, and the year after warn't

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bad either. People forget that. Yeah, walk the back MVP.

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I will say this, I'm not a stickler. In other words,

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I'm not crushed that he's not in the hall, and

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I wouldn't be crushed or against it if it came

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out that he would inducted, Like I don't. I don't

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feel strung. I'm sort of on the fence sort of

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as he is. So whatever happens, I'm not waving a

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pennant against it or forties Like if he gets in,

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i won't be like, oh man, they dropped the ball here.

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And if he doesn't get in, I'm not saying, man,

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it's such a Travis like it's a crime. I don't know.

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I'm embarrassed. I forgot this card. Good good, good call

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in your in yours?

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Yeah, this card has you know, based on the criteria,

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guy not in the hall. You know this could change

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if like Rose gets in that that Rose rookie comes

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off to Roger Merris gets inducted by the Veteran Committee.

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This card no longer qualifies. But at the moment, like

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I had to put it on here.

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Well, and this is true. You can't tell the history

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of baseball without mentioning.

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Roger May It is true.

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I mean, if it's in, if it's in ken Burns,

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then to qualifies.

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Yeah, I'm gonna pull it off. I'm gonna want me

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to pull it off.

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Here there the Chad is doing a great job of

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Nellen some tonight.

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Yeah, they're like they're like they're they're sniffing out my picks.

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Well, not only that, I was gonna take a turn,

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and my first one on my list was fourteen fifteen

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whichever you prefer, the Shoeless Jill cracker Jack.

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All right, yeah, that's a nice car. I'm not gonna

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argue with that. Yeah. And here's another guy that should

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be in the hall. All the reports say, you know,

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wasn't in on this Black Sox scandal and then obviously

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a Hall of Fame worthy outside of that. And here's

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another guy. I think if Pete Rose ever gets in,

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Shoeless gets it, can you imagine that year. Unfortunately they're

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both no.

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Longer with It wouldn't be a lot of speeches.

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No, but you know, you'd have obviously family representation, you'd

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have some baseball historians, you know, maybe coming up there

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and like saying, hey, it's about time, and then take

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out all the other stuff. These were two of the

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greatest players. Another great pick there by by Stukes, the uker.

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But he's in. We talked about that. Oh yeah, this

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does not qualify Stukes like it's a great pick. I'm

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not picking on you. He actually's in. I was not

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sure either. I had to ask Dandy Dan I thought

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he was, and sure enough, he was in the in

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the media.

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Win and I'll say to the chat also, the greatest

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induction speech in the history of induction speeches. You'll laugh

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the whole time if waun till we're finished at least,

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but then go on, don't.

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Leave yeteve because yeah, I'll make you laugh a couple

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of times. Maybe it's not as much as you care,

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but I'll give it my I'll give it the old

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college tries as so.

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Anyway, So the cracker Jack Shoeless Joe. I think it's

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a classic card. It's artwork, and I yeah, it's.

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A great pick. It was on my list, but then

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I wanted I'm always the first card guy or rookie, right,

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So I'm gonna put this up now because I got

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a shoeless Joe.

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Okay for this one.

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This is the American Caramel from nineteen oh oh nine.

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And this isn't my card. I stole this photo. You

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don't need to hook me up to a live detective

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confess because I don't own this card. But like, how

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cool was this card? Man? He's leaning on the bat,

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you know, pre war. Well, obviously you're you're gonna find

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most of these well loved and beat up unless you

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want to take out your check book or mortgage your house.

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But it's just a great card from of a great player.

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Who again, you know when we were like, like it

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was said before, when we when we tell the story

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of baseball, right, Jules, Joe's in the two and not

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just for the you know, the Black Sox candal, for

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his prowess as a player as well. So uh yeah,

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this is a sassy pose. He's like, I'm sureless, Joe,

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what what's up? Fellas? And this picture can talk, That's

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what it would say.

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You don't even know what's coming. That's what he's thinking.

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Yeah. Another one by Stukes that I own and I

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didn't put it on the list. I own this card.

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It was on my list.

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I didn't put it on my list. And and say

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again that is why we have the greatest chat room now,

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I sort of like I feel gift.

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It's a Brooklyn Dodger to that, Like the reason is

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rubber bands, so you know.

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True, true, it's not the the prowess. PavCo had a

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pretty good arm. If you're a Brooklyn Dodger fan, you

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know that.

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Yeah, without the scarcity though he doesn't make any place.

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Lost yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the shoelace off. Yeah,

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hopefully he gets in. Man, I'm you know, I think

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he should be in in the hall.

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I thought that they had had done a lot of

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investigating and I thought he was clear. Maybe I'm wrong.

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The rumor is there's no way he could have been

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in on it. He had like big numbers, He had

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like higher numbers in the World Series and as regulars, like,

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how do you do that if you're you know, there's

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reports he tried to talk his teammates out of doing

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it and like do this so you know, no one knows.

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I guess for sure, but listen, man, with those kind

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of numbers in the World Series, he's throwing and Judge

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would sign up for that. Yeah, really, you know? So

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so put the guy in, Like it's a shame he's

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not around to enjoy the accolade. But put the dude in.

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Put p Rose in. Now, I know. I got in

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a debate at the last show, just not a not

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for long ten minutes with a guy that real like

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it came up. I had a card or something. He's like,

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he shouldn't be in the hall. Passed away the band

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the band ends when you pass away, like when you

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die in prison, they don't bury you on the prison grounds.

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They give your remains to your family and you're outside

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the prison. So that's the analogy. Maybe not the best one.

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But if the prison of the banishment of the Hall

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was because he was alive when he dies, he gets

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outside the put him in. No one will argue, you know,

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apparently never bet against the Reds like he was throwing.

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More than price.

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He did. He did, and I'm not saying he's the

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best guy in the world and not for so you know,

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and there's eighteen million Pete Rose autographs because the dude,

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I think he's still signing quite frankly, they're just dropping down.

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But put the like, put him in, like you said,

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he served this time, I'll die on that hill. And

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I'm not even I'm not good. I have a certified expert.

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I took the master the Master class.

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And well cemetery, so you know I've been.

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To a couple. Yeah. Uh, put the guy in, like

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you know, no one can argue Pete Rose the player

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shouldn't be in there. I mean, Pete Rose was baseball

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for a good stretch of basement like he was like

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any commercial and any anything. He was the cover boy.

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Like you said, he paid his price, We didn't pay

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his ice. You know, then I could say, well, you

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know that's not paid back yet.

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He just cracks me up because I think it's true

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and funny.

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I'm sure there's still three million sticker artos sitting in

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the warehouse waiting for said products. There's no shorting five

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Feller Pete Rose, I think are the two most. That's

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how they're out there.

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That's what they're doing upstairs, you know it.

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Yeah, I'm sure they're signings at the gates. They ask

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you when you get there, would you like it? Pete

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Rose or Bob?

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Yeah? Really it comes in the gift bag sponsored by what.

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Moving on, speaking of prison and breving on, Yeah, I

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think we're off the rare house. It took what twenty

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one minutes?

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We're there, Peter Rose, Bob Feller. That was like a show.

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That's that's you know who it is. It's that kid

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from the sandwa it's.

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The Sandlot group. Because they're not doing sand Lot too.

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Return return of Squints not happening. So if you're now

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hope they you know what the only thing they might do,

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which won't help the Really the older Sandlight guys. They

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might do a new Sandlot with like child actors today,

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but the old Sandlot kids would be like, what do

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we get out of that? Unless they make them adults

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in the movies. Sometimes they do that where they put

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like they redo a movie and an actor that was

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a kid in the movie plays an adult world. So

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maybe they can give those guys jobs on Sandlot too,

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not as themselves or maybe as themselves grown up. And

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these are the their kids playing terrible script. That's why

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I'm in Syracuse and not Hollywood. But there you go.

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They running out ideas though they're redoing every single movie.

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Hey, send them a script. You never know.

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Ye guys go up, the kids go up to have kids,

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and now we do. Actually that's one page. That's one page.

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Doc Gooden is always signing, and so is Laurence Taylor.

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That gooda No, he sometimes steps and doesn't show. He

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might be advertised a lot, but he's a famous like

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cancelation or notion.

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Orlando says, sticks a card to collecting John. I'm trying, Orlando,

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be careful. Your next personal hobby hotline will be November.

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Speaking of movies, though, I did have a director of

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a new hobby. I'm gonna be talking to him. Got

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to screen the movie. The movie's actually pretty good.

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That's awesome. That's good stuff. Whose turn is it?

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You can go, you can go. I'm gonna get a

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couple of morty.

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I'm gonna throw out Tommy john Rook. He's sixty four tops.

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I just I have complete respect for what Tommy john did.

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Look at his numbers after his surgery, the amount of

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years he pitched, and his surgery is not like today.

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I mean they they were in there cutting apart and

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sewing together in a whole different way than they do

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it now. I just think it's amazing. And he was

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willing to be the guinea pig and he was and

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that takes balls. So I think he deserves to be

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in the Hall of Fame on his numbers, but certainly

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for having the surgery named after you. I mean it's

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Tommy Johnson.

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Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you this one. This

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one didn't really make my list. I think Tommy john

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was a very good picture, good to very good picture.

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I think just pitched no time. You know a he

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does have his name on the surgery is that enough

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to get you on my list. I said no, but

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I won't argue with he He's probably a borderline Hall

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of Fame. The borderline.

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Yeah, if anybody looks some of his numbers, you'll be surprised.

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He's a lot closer than than I think people realize.

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Two hundred and eighty wins.

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There you go, Yeah, which nowadays, today's today's picture is

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if anyone hits two eighty, you know they're in. So again,

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three hundred was the mark during his era, but that

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ain't gonna happen any We talked about this on on

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Hobby Hotline the other day. So, yeah, I can't argue

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with this. Now you've convinced me. I've kind of like

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I've dropped down the weapon, and I probably should be in.

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I think he's it's hard to compare pictures for.

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I'm not saying the guy's a Hall of Famer necessarily,

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but I have him on my list. I think he

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deserves to mention. When we did this.

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Topic, yeah, you know, even when I think enough to

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make this a Hall of Fame show, like CC doesn't

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like I really I'm not like like, I'm not picketing,

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but I don't. I never looked at, you know, especially

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late in his career. I'm like, I don't, I don't

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know if he's all of it. He's very good here

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he is, he's in the hall, is her So you know.

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He never pitched in your division?

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No, but I listen, dude, I've played like I know

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who he is and.

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Not like no, no, no no. But I'm saying, like, you know,

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how somethings you see more often, you know, you just

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a different thing.

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Well, I mean he's going into halls of Yankee so

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he pitched. You know, I'm not a Yankee fan any longer,

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but you know, I'm not that far from New York

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still my hotel, So I just he never you know

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how you watch a player during the career and you're

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already making that assessment and you're like, oh man, he's

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a lock for the hall. I never said that the

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same thing with like Scott Rowland. I never said with

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Scott Rowland like this guy's I agree. You know, I

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put CC in that category. Now, when you really take

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a step back and look at the body work and

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the numbers, it's hard to argue against it too, So

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I get it. It just didn't feel that way watching

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it live. It's when you look at it after it's over,

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and you know, it's hard not to put a guy

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when if you took the name off and I didn't

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know who it was, and so does player? Are these

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Hall of Fame worthy? I'd have to say yes.

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The run with Milwaukee, I felt like you knew something

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special was happening when he when he got trended over

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there and pitched you know, like every other day for

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a couple of months, and took it and pulled them

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into the playoffs. You know, I don't know, he's a

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close one for me. I'm a small Hall guy anyway.

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Yeah.

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Uh, Rubin says CEC was a Hall of Famer in

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Golden Corral. Like to give a shout out. To shout

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out to Golden Corral. By the way, we are accepting

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them as a sponsor if they're interesting.

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I don't think i've ever ate there a while ago.

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I don't know how they are.

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Probably probably just as greasy and and you know, as

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when you were there. Whose turn is it?

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I'm gonna I'm want to go because I think we

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talked that we both picked this card. I saw it

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mentioned in the chat room. A couple of times. Just

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so you know, kids at home, I didn't block out

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the bet, but I think that's just a way what

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this is. Now. No one's gonna argue Billy Ripkin, and

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I know you get to see him up close or

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he did get this. Uh. He's not known for his

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baseball prowers, but this card is one of the most

472
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.880
iconic cards of the hobby. And it's not for Billy

473
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.599
Ripkins two nineteen career batting average. We all know why.

474
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.880
It's a card that's still in demand today thirty five years.

475
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.880
How many cards can you say that with that aren't

476
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.920
really like vintage like a man O rookie, right, How

477
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.599
many cards can you say that with from the eighties

478
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.279
that are still this much today? This is one that

479
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.400
checks that box. And so, uh, you know that's a

480
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.559
great question by Stuke's where did this bat wind up?

481
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.920
I thought there's different stories, but I thought it was

482
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:42.559
it was just destroyed.

483
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.079
To be honest, man, that's a that's tragic. Can you

484
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:49.119
imagine this being in the hall but the hall has

485
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.319
to put like a black box over it? In the

486
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.920
white box or do they get but they changed it

487
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.519
every week? They changed every week in the display case

488
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.359
it's the black Blacks week, it's the white scribble week,

489
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:09.359
it's the saw cut week. You know, thank you? Where

490
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.160
are you gonna get jokes.

491
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.599
Like that right for free? Yeah, I'm telling you that.

492
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.160
I don't know. If this bat's destroyed, someone's got to

493
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:19.599
own it.

494
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.599
Rubin, I'm not even putting that up. That's rough, buddy,

495
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.720
he says. Kevin Costner took it to Col's house. Uh,

496
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:32.039
Jason says, we already say the fifty.

497
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:35.759
No, I didn't. Man, I'm gonna be on some people.

498
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.480
It's like dartboards. They're gonna be throwing steel tips.

499
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:39.880
That's a good one.

500
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:44.400
Can you imagine that's a I saw someone actually make

501
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.400
a fake one? And yeah, yeah, but can you can

502
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:53.599
you imagine if Fanatics acquired the real Billy Ripkin f

503
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.519
face card and took the knob off and made like

504
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.119
the major League debut patches and one on one and

505
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.920
what does that bring We've just seen the Skemes patch card.

506
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.559
Do you think it's sound religious to cut up that bat?

507
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.319
Though? I do, But the Fanatics does a lot of sacredly.

508
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:13.160
So just add that to just add that to the

509
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.319
next life and let's just call.

510
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.039
It as we see it.

511
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:23.400
Uh yeah, absolutely, you imagine the chase for that. People

512
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.160
are chasing the eighty nine Fleer card. It's just a picture.

513
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.119
Can you imagine the chase for the actual noob?

514
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:32.000
I just wonder to know how many times you're gonna

515
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.400
say nab in one episode.

516
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.759
It's a drinking game. Every time I say nab, everyone

517
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.559
take a sip or more than one zip.

518
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.000
Uh, that's too funny. Yes, we both had Bill Ripkin

519
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.279
on the list, so that's why we got it out

520
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.319
of the way. That was another one that we to

521
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:50.359
us anyway we thought was chalk.

522
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.680
Yeah, I do feel seeing some of the choices in

523
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.279
the chat room. I'm not gonna lie. I feel guilty.

524
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.920
I didn't I didn't put somebody. Yes, sometimes you're looking

525
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.200
one way and the curve you know, you're looking fastball

526
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.359
and the curveball sneaks in the back door and you're

527
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.960
going back. You're walking to the back to the bench, like,

528
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.799
how did that happen? So that's what happens when we

529
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:13.920
do we forget.

530
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.680
That's why what we love doing, and we learn as

531
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.599
much as we you know, share.

532
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:19.960
Uh yeah.

533
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:24.519
Reubenson's fanatics would take a Brooks Robinson game music glove

534
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.680
and cut off those bastards.

535
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.640
Those bastards soon if they got the copy, the original

536
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:38.960
copy of the Declaration of Independence, there'd be Transit. Transcendent

537
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.759
would be set for the next two years. Uh we

538
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.440
could uh and they wouldn't even blinket bad and I man.

539
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:47.440
The worst part is I love the Transit.

540
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:48.200
Yeah.

541
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.880
No, it's a great product if you have the money.

542
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.160
I've never opened it. I just don't want to know where.

543
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.079
It comes from. Just don't tell me where it came from.

544
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.839
The Beatles. There's a I saw one. There's the four

545
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:04.599
Beatles sign. Oh, and that was a cut from something

546
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.519
maybe the original record deal.

547
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:13.400
That's it was the night they met when they made Yeah.

548
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.559
It was when they formed their middle school band.

549
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.799
Right, Who's now? I forgot who's turnative.

550
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.240
I put that one out there because I knew we

551
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:22.000
both had it.

552
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.720
So it was one man, all right, So next to

553
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:30.079
my list, Okay, I took seventy and seventy one Thurman right,

554
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.480
basically because we have no roles and I like both

555
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.839
cards for different reasons. You get the rookie and you

556
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:41.640
get the beautiful monthson. I don't know if you picked it.

557
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.039
That was my only concern.

558
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.680
All right, all right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna put

559
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.799
up I'm gonna put up a slide here. I put

560
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.920
two cards from the seventy one set, one of them.

561
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.640
Sorry for the terrible cut and page job, but there's

562
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.440
a seven. I don't know why I did that, because

563
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.440
I own both of these cards. I just was lazy.

564
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.359
They're not out where I can like just grab them,

565
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.240
so I just copied. I just copy the paste, so

566
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.720
I do. Oh. I own multiple copies actually of each other.

567
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.359
So I just cheated and being lazy, and I just

568
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:23.119
copied seventy one. So there you go. Seventy one tops, right,

569
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.839
everyone knows these are conditioned sensitive. This one's an in

570
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.759
action right with the A's guy sliding across the plate.

571
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.200
You know, it's just an It's a better looking card

572
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.720
than his rookie card, and in many cases it brings

573
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.599
more money than his rookie card. That's not what it's about.

574
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:40.240
What stable.

575
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.160
Well, it's also ridiculously hard to find in good condition.

576
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.799
Yeah, and seventy one Garvey, right, another guy that's on

577
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.079
the cusp of the hall. I think he should be

578
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.279
in U what is it? Fourteen gold gloves? Or fourteen

579
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.000
All Stars. He has something like that, Like that's come on, Like,

580
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.160
I'm not saying he's Babe Ruth. I'm not arguing that

581
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.240
he's Babe Ruth Tai Coab. I'm just organized in the

582
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.960
Hall of Fame. He's welcome to buy a ticket right now.

583
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.559
He has to. Well probably not, they probably give him

584
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.680
they let him at back door. But yeah, you know,

585
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.599
uh no, I no, I did you know, maybe Jason

586
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:19.599
Schwartz was probably more of an influence because we I

587
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.200
had him on the podcast that we kind of you know,

588
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.359
both took up the flag for probably twenty But this set,

589
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.680
it isn't aesthetically great, but because it's black border again,

590
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.960
conditions sensitive, and you have Garvey, a guy I think

591
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.119
should be in I think it's a great looking card.

592
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.039
Like the pose he's like kind of in fielding position

593
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.200
with his glove on in the months, and it's just

594
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.200
a better looking in action card. You know, I think

595
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.920
people would say if that could be his, really his

596
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.720
rookie card, they sign a petition. So I just picked

597
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.359
these two, put them on one slide, two birds, one stone.

598
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.119
That's why I said both Munson's because there's the rookie card,

599
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.039
but this is the better looking card.

600
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.960
Yeah. No, I won't argue with yet, but you know.

601
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:07.960
I mean, listen to me. Is one of the best

602
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.960
looking in action shots, you know, in the in the

603
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.759
Vinti jerro it is.

604
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.079
There's you know, there's people, you know, people think like

605
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.759
the fifty two taps is man a rookie. There's people

606
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.000
who think that actually is Munson's too. There's a maybe

607
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.480
the same group thinks those area and the Johnny Bench,

608
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.480
the sixty nine bench, well, because.

609
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.920
They get confused with the tops All Star Rookie Cup.

610
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.720
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people think those are the

611
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.319
rookie Yeah.

612
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.319
No, if anybody doesn't know it's an All Star Cup,

613
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:40.680
it means they were an All Star.

614
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.359
Yeah, rookie, all right, take it?

615
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.240
Sure, alright, Well I did Monson, but I'll throw out

616
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.799
another one. Seventy seven Dell Murphy.

617
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.000
Yeah, I saw eight reverse negative. I didn't pick any

618
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.519
Murphy cards, but for sure, you know he's another guy

619
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.200
right on that line, right, I got you know, we

620
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.240
talked about guys. I got to see a lot of

621
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.480
because the Braves are in the Mets division. I've seen

622
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.319
perenty of Murphy's heroics against the Mets growing up into

623
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:17.240
the eighties into early nineties, and so you know, I

624
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.200
think he's a Hall of Famer. He used to scare

625
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.359
me as a Mets fan, and you know he had

626
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.960
a couple of years where he was really the guy

627
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.519
in baseball or one of them. He's six score bit Roberts,

628
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.519
you know. But if we're doing that, don't forget the

629
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:39.079
nineteen ninety fleeer for your rebay. That's almost one hundred

630
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:39.839
million bucks.

631
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:47.359
Hey you Frank Thomas Arrow? Is that on your list?

632
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.359
Rebate? Yeah, this is who we're talking about.

633
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.599
I lost track or are you you got whoever you want?

634
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.519
All right? This is a guy and he's come up

635
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.359
in different various versions of this show on different list.

636
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.599
This is a guy that I don't like. But when

637
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.759
you're putting these lists on, you gotta be honest, right

638
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.280
and listen, he's another guy that's not in the Hall.

639
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.519
It should be in the Hall for what he did

640
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.519
before he start using And this card, I didn't pick

641
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.119
the regular one. Let me put it up there eighty

642
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.039
six tops traded Barry Bonds with the Tiffany version, and

643
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.639
I don't own this card. There's another copy and paste

644
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.880
job by your early But I wouldn't mind owning this

645
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:33.079
car now. I'm not actively like going out there trying

646
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.079
to get it, but if one crossed my path, and

647
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.360
I'm not a Barry Bonds guy, I think he's uh,

648
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.880
you know what starts with an A. It's not a

649
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.000
nice guy, but one heck of a baseball player before

650
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.800
us and then obviously even more after after using But

651
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.519
what he did before was definitely Hall of Fame word.

652
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:56.719
And it's said that he had to change the direction

653
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.480
of the rear in a negative connotation. So this is

654
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.719
just gonna be an icon of Carder's. There's people who

655
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.800
believe Barry Bonds will eventually be in the Hall and

656
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.480
this card will. Obviously it's not cheap now, but it

657
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.960
will get it'll get less cheaper if on the day

658
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.840
he ever gets. Yeah, I like to use extra words.

659
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.679
It makes me sound more intelligent or less intelligent.

660
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.440
In that case, I think the Tiffany is a great call.

661
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.400
I didn't put it on my list. I came really close,

662
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.880
but I decided to stay away from the steroids. Great

663
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:31.840
call on this one.

664
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.320
John, Yeah, and I don't like him, like everyone knows.

665
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:36.440
That's a classic card.

666
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.880
Yeah, I'm just like, I gotta put it on the list.

667
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:39.400
I gotta be.

668
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.840
I don't know if you saw, but Orlando says that

669
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.440
he has the Tiffany.

670
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.920
Yeah, I know. I know he had some Tiffany, so

671
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.519
I'm not surprised. And listen, I'm sure he looks. I'm

672
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.760
sure he doesn't love the Bonds Part two, but he

673
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.480
loves that card, right, and same thing here If I

674
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.800
uh and I agree with that, I think they will.

675
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:04.519
You know, I think it's not so much yet. Yeah, yeah,

676
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.239
I didn't want to listen. The only reason I would

677
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.320
have picked Mossy to put on the screen is just

678
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.840
to make myself look slightly less ugly. And I thought

679
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.519
that wouldn't be fair. It wouldn't. It would be disingenuous

680
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.760
to the list to do that, So I didn't, but

681
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:27.679
the thought was there. He looked like Herman Munster, like

682
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:28.960
when I like hermanns.

683
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.880
Didn't you use him on our Ugly Card episode?

684
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.400
Yeah? I did? That was the low hanging like that?

685
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.199
Would that would be on everyone's list that knows him

686
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.079
or nose? He looked he always every time I see

687
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.239
that card, I think it's Fred Gwynn who played Herman

688
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.960
Munster without like they could have hired Don Mossy and

689
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.599
saved the whole makeup department budget. Like, just go out there,

690
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.440
here's your line, you know, stop your feet, take the

691
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.039
cleats off, put these big brick shoes on. Go out there,

692
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.199
stop your feet, do a laugh and say Grandpa couple,

693
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:06.320
and then we'll get we'll get you back to this

694
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:08.119
and you won't miss your start y.

695
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.239
So this just scares me that you should not be night,

696
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.760
should be about to watch NICKD.

697
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:18.039
Knight.

698
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:19.400
That's all I'm saying.

699
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.000
It's the line of the night from Bookie. I put

700
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.719
it up there. Fred Gwyn couldn't hit like Tony. That

701
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:28.519
is very true. He was very tall and his strike

702
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.199
zone was too big, and so they'd always get him

703
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.400
on the low outside fastball went.

704
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:39.719
To bad funny, too funny. Well, Orlando, guess my next one,

705
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.519
so I might as well throw it up. You score,

706
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:48.920
Bo Jackson, bad football baseball. I haven't my case over here.

707
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.719
It's one of my favorite cards of all time. I

708
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.440
don't care what grade. I don't care. You know, I'll

709
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.360
like you said, I pick him up. It's hard to

710
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:03.079
sell them. I just love the card, I think Bo

711
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.920
Jackson is one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen

712
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.920
in person, and I may ever see in my entire life.

713
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:16.119
I just think his athletic ability was beyond beyond, and

714
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.679
it's sort of real tragedy that he got hurt. I

715
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.400
think we missed out on somebody who would have been

716
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.280
just as amazing as a show Hey Tony type of talent.

717
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.199
So I'll take the nan Descore black and white bow.

718
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.079
Yeah. I like that pick. I didn't pick it, but

719
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.559
I think I didn't pick it because I don't know.

720
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.960
I knew you would. I knew you would pick I

721
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.360
knew you would pick it. It doesn't I like the card.

722
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.480
I don't hold it in the same Regala. Oh yeah,

723
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.920
that's not the besmirch the card. It's a nicond of card.

724
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.679
It's just not it's higher on your list mine. I

725
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.239
guess I just saw so many of them that it

726
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.639
just they took. It's one of those cards that's bow

727
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:01.679
Climb walls to get balls. Check out rap album Balls

728
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.719
to the Wall. It's Dropping Tuesday.

729
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:10.679
Also known as where there's a Will, There's Away, the

730
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.480
quest to get balls from the wall. Okay, so that's

731
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:15.599
on you, all right.

732
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.920
I only have two left, So I'll do.

733
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:21.199
My I'm almost also, so all right, I'll.

734
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.119
Do one and then you do one. This one. I

735
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:29.119
tried to go really off grid on this on two

736
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.320
of them, and this I think is won't really one

737
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.280
of them, although maybe people will disagree. I'll lea me

738
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.599
put it on this nineteen thirty three growdy left, the

739
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.920
old duel left, the old duel is you know, I

740
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.519
was surprised that he's not a Hall of Famer. He

741
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:48.960
has a lifetime batting average of three forty nine. He

742
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.480
has the highest batting average career batting average of a

743
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.639
person not in the Hall of Fame. Imagine and me

744
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.480
his career, he has like over a thousand hits, almost

745
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.440
four to at bats or whatever that makes it forty

746
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:06.280
nine bat Remember the era he played in, too, Some

747
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.119
of those numbers are not going to match up in

748
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:13.280
today's era. But if you bat three forty nine for

749
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.840
your career and you have over three thousand at bats,

750
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.679
it's not like he has six hundred at bats and

751
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:21.920
he bated three forty nine. Do you have over three

752
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.239
grand in at bats and your lifetime batting average is

753
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.840
three forty nine and you're not in the Hall I

754
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.199
gotta I gotta disagree with that. So when I thought

755
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.280
about poster boys for Hall of Fame cards that are

756
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.760
not Hall of Fame, this one really, this one really

757
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.840
at one of the tops of my my list, and

758
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.480
I think when I the reason I put it there is,

759
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.559
I'm like, I don't think people realize some of this stuff.

760
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.280
So that's one of my you know, if you want

761
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.280
to call it educational cards, right, people who don't realize.

762
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.920
And I'm not saying Lefty Olduel is an all time great.

763
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.960
He was a pitcher too. I believe broke out with

764
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.639
the Yankees as a picture. I could be wrong there,

765
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:08.039
but you know, uh, you know what, that had nothing

766
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.360
to do with it, Ruben, although I can't prove it.

767
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.840
I'm just saying they had nothing to do The three nine,

768
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.039
the three forty nine career average was what suaded me

769
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.880
with this card. And I will say for the for

770
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.880
the numbers this guy put up, this card is actually

771
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.559
relatively you know I talked about when we do these lists,

772
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.159
right cards then get on my wantless. This car actually

773
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.000
jumped onto my wantless because of the significance or the

774
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.679
significance to me and the fact that it's not crazy expensive,

775
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.400
and you have one of them, and I don't think

776
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.440
he ever gets in at this point. Well, come on, man,

777
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.400
you know three forty nine lifetime batting it. I don't

778
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:49.639
know what.

779
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.320
A non alcoholic beer. It was actually disgusted family, so

780
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:57.719
it was.

781
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:02.400
The old Duels. So now he has so the legend

782
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.199
grows literally by by the minute. Yeah, they see those

783
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.599
an't a great stories, right, I didn't know Rick Stevenson's lifetime,

784
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:11.159
Now I do.

785
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:16.639
Yep. Three, All right, I've got one, but there's two

786
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.760
clauses and I need your help on both of them.

787
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.039
If I'm correct, Lipmann Pike is not in the Hall

788
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.400
of Fame, but I don't know that he has a

789
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.559
card other than the historical set that was put out

790
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:29.880
in the eighties or nineties.

791
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:36.320
Oh yeah, that's a card. So if I'm a judge,

792
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.880
I say that's good. That's good for the win.

793
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.639
I'll take Lipmann Pike, who was one of the first

794
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.679
stars of baseball. He was the first Jewish star, not

795
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.519
the first Jewish star, of the first Jewish athlete who

796
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.639
was good in baseball. And other than that one set,

797
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.719
he needs cards, never known them.

798
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.480
Yeah, I would have been nice to have a pre

799
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.960
war Eric Cardos, Right, I would be a little on

800
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.679
the pricey side, but it still doesn't make it any

801
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:15.119
less fun, right, Yeah, that counts. I mean I think

802
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.320
people will say, well, it's kind of an aftermarket card.

803
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:22.239
It's like the Conlin set, remember that, you know, still

804
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.239
a card. Right. My next pick is going to be

805
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.800
some people could argue it out. I won't. I won't

806
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.199
put it up there. I want to talk about Litman Pike.

807
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.199
But he was really one of the first baseball superstar,

808
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.239
one of the first, and you know, obviously with the

809
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:43.920
name of the show and his nationality and heritage, it's

810
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.280
it's definitely a good car. I didn't think of it.

811
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.440
I know about the card. I just didn't. I didn't

812
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.719
think of it and figured, you know, maybe you know,

813
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:56.119
I tried to stick and playing days as much as

814
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.599
just my own criteria. I don't think it's a rule.

815
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.840
We talked about it, just my pin down myself. But

816
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.239
I like this. I like this pick. Uh, And I.

817
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.119
Was gonna say, I just want also one of the

818
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.599
Pike to get a little recognition.

819
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.960
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I don't think I think

820
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.480
that's uh, you know, we probably should be in the

821
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.159
Hall of Fame, you know, and not on this eligible

822
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.719
to be on this list. To begin with, I read

823
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.360
a book that was written about him, very short book

824
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.360
with illustrations, and I actually read it. It's on my

825
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:33.480
podcast YouTube probably over a little maybe fourteen months ago.

826
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.920
So it's a it's a twenty minute way to learn

827
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.840
a little bit more about Litman Pike that I literally

828
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.920
just read the book with a camera on me. I got,

829
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.239
I got, you know, I got some compliments on that.

830
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.920
So if you want to learn more about Litman and

831
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.000
you don't mind hearing and seeing me at the same time,

832
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.559
one might be mug Yeah, I filled in for you,

833
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:03.440
get tucked in. Uh, turn on YouTube and away we away,

834
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.280
we will will go. So but no, it's a great

835
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.440
pick and and probably should be in the Hall of Fame.

836
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.280
Maybe someday someone will really vouch and go to bat

837
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.159
and justice will be served, and not just livmit By,

838
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:22.119
but some other guys left held, Duel p Rose, you know,

839
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:23.639
all the guys we talked about.

840
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.159
And that's all right, we're coming down the home stretch.

841
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:27.039
You got another.

842
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:30.599
One, Yeah, this is my last one. This is this

843
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.000
is you know, when we talk about best cards, this

844
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.079
one straddles the line because it's a postcard, but it's

845
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.719
an old postcard, so it's not like it's a new

846
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.280
commemorative postcard. And if you love the movie Feel the Dreams,

847
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.519
you'll know who this guy is. If you're not a

848
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.480
fan of Field of Dreams or a baseball guy, you

849
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:54.159
might not know. But uh, you know Doc Moonlight Graham

850
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.159
right in the movie, played by the old version played

851
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.039
by Charton and the young version played by Syracuse his

852
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.880
own Frank Whaley, who when I was setting up at

853
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.519
the regional market many moons ago after that movie was

854
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.199
out a few years, came up to my card table

855
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.400
just as a regular patron, and I'm like looking at him,

856
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.400
like Frank Whaley, and I'm like, oh my god, dude,

857
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.280
Field the Dreams is one of my favorite movies. He goes, oh, man,

858
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.800
that's cool to hear. And I think he bought something.

859
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.519
So I sold something to the guy that played Doc

860
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:36.599
Moonlight Graham on Field of Dreams, who's a Syracuse There's

861
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.800
been in a lot of movies, but he's a Syracuse

862
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.320
native and I think he still has family in the area,

863
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.280
so he's here in the area sometimes. So this is

864
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.639
a postcard from nineteen oh eight nineteen oh nine by

865
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.639
the Rose Company. But you know a lot of stuff

866
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.360
that we consider cards now from that error weren't cards

867
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.519
in the sense we think of now where they had

868
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.800
to come out of packs, right, They could have been

869
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:08.639
newspaper strips, postcards, inserts like the Baltimore News, Babe Ruth.

870
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.440
So with that in mind, I put this card on

871
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.480
the list. And you know how many of bats the

872
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:21.320
real Moonlight grab had was one one one a bat,

873
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:27.599
one at bat, which is where I'm not sure, but uh,

874
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.880
he's over. Yeah, so maybe I had two of bats,

875
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.719
but he was oh for one, So he did. He

876
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.239
did make it out. And it's what that character is

877
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.679
based on the Field of dream And listen, did that

878
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.559
scene or that's plotline make the movie? No, but it

879
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.960
was a huge, a huge part of it, right, anyone

880
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.840
that talked who likes Field of Dreams. That's a pivotal

881
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.079
moment form. And you have our legendary actor and Charton

882
00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:00.760
Heston played them in a well you know another good actor,

883
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.039
maybe not in the same venus, but Frank Whalley Junior

884
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.119
playing the young version. It's just I love the movie.

885
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.599
I'm not even a Kevin cost fan, per se, I

886
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.840
just love this movie or I love Feeling the dreams

887
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:22.000
Burt Landcaster, I'm saying, I always get Burt. I get

888
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.760
my Burt Lancasters and Charton Heston. My bad, sorry Bert

889
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.960
Landcaster rest, but I always get those two. Uh Like

890
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:33.320
I'll say one when I'm thinking, I'll say one's name

891
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.400
and the other. So yes, but thank you, thank you,

892
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:42.119
Mike Petty. We always have to fact checker, so so

893
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.920
so this is and yes, this is not a cheap item,

894
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.559
but I we didn't have any kind of financial question.

895
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.800
Super it is super cool. Matt. You can put this

896
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:56.280
like you can have this in your office and people

897
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.639
will come in and be like, what's that? I never

898
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.599
even heard of that guy? And you can say, I

899
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.159
think you have you ever seen Field of Dreams and

900
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:06.400
the where you go, right, well, I'm not going to

901
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.079
tell the host. So yeah, I wanted to put something

902
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.960
that wasn't and I knew about this item. And then

903
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.480
I actually seen Tony Dimarzios posting a vintage group and

904
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.119
he posted and I'm like recently and I'm like, that's

905
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.159
that's gotta make this listener should So there you go.

906
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.599
Great, pick Maddy quoting the movie.

907
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.599
Yep, yeah, there you go.

908
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:35.199
I mean the way he just Lancaster describes, you know,

909
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.719
the triple that he wants, you know, and wrapping your

910
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.239
arms around the base. And I think anybody who's played

911
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.840
baseball just you know, it feels for that.

912
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.639
Yeah, and you know Stukes is mentioned, Hey, his grave

913
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:52.480
is fifty miles from him. Might be a Jefferson Burdick situation.

914
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.599
Now you know, Burdick's grave is twenty two miles seventeen

915
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.079
between seventeen and twenty two miles. For me in an

916
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.159
area I'm actually quite in a lot anyway. So that's

917
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.199
how I kind of started doing that. So I'm a

918
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.400
I don't know if anyone's hopefully someone's taking care of

919
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:15.199
that gravesite Stokes, but if not, maybe you know, it

920
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.679
could be that guy if if need be, I'm starting

921
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.159
to club you are.

922
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.679
So we're almost at a time we flew through that.

923
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.239
I didn't even fine, I'm not gonna lie. I didn't

924
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.239
even feel like an hour.

925
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.239
Yeah, well that's why I was letting you know, so

926
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:32.679
you have time to land the plane.

927
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.199
But I also was inducted by Aliens a couple of

928
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.280
years ago. And since then times by.

929
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.000
Well, this was cool, this was a fun topic. I

930
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.119
learned a lot, first.

931
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.199
Of all, Yeah, and that's always good.

932
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:48.880
Yeah. I also learned that I forget a lot.

933
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.960
I learned that. I learned that Bert Lancaster and Charton

934
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.800
Heston are the same guy until someone calls me.

935
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:58.960
And you can still get a Pete Rose and Bob

936
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.840
Feller autograph very cheaply. Yes.

937
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.760
And you know, even if Pete gets in the hall,

938
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.880
I don't think his autographs go up more than that many.

939
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.639
I mean, sad but true. All right, say good night John,

940
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:14.840
good night je