Card Mensches E30 "The Hobby Impact of the NFL Playoffs"

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SPEAKER 3: Hey, I'm David Black and I'm John Newman.

SPEAKER 4: Welcome to Car Menus.

SPEAKER 4: What's going on? I'm down at the show today. That's John Newman. And hopefully we have a show and this is episode 30 of card menus.

SPEAKER 4: I really want to play that introduction again. I I'm gonna be honest. I was like just getting into it and then it ended, I felt left out. What's going on, Steven. How are you?

SPEAKER 4: So, we're in football season. You're all bundled up because you live in Alaska or North Pole.

SPEAKER 3: I live in one of the snow, hardest hit snow areas in the country, man. Syracuse, New York. But I will say this, man. It's, it's, I probably jinx it, although we do have a snowstorm scheduled for Sunday.

SPEAKER 3: It's been a pretty mild winter. I've had no snow days off from school. So that kind of step part stinks. But I don't mind not shoveling a ton.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. No, luckily I've got twin boys that do most of the shoveling.

SPEAKER 4: And Ruben says, damn did John Hijack the Syracuse mascot outfit.

SPEAKER 3: This is my orange polo sweater. I got for Christmas one year. It's not new, but I wore it today to school so I didn't do any Mensches outfit changes. So this is what I wore to work. Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: You know what I did want to mention this. Steven says all good here. Very sad news today about Sports Illustrated. Let off their whole staff. I don't know if you heard about that this afternoon.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I did. Well, you know, I got a feeling someone's gonna come in and swoop in and save them and buy them and, and keep the brand going. But if not, I mean, if that isn't the case it's crazy. Sports illustrator has been around a long time and, it'd be kind of sad, you know.

SPEAKER 4: You know, what, think, what it does to all those collectible sports illustrators though.

SPEAKER 3: I don't really have, I don't really have any, probably a couple of stealer ones, but that's about it for me.

SPEAKER 4: You're probably six hours too late to try to buy one.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Well, he, they put baseball card in there in the, in the fifties too. So, remember those that I am.

SPEAKER 4: This is my ESPN. That's hysterical. My ESPN jersey.

SPEAKER 3: Like a four point shot at basketball and baseball tonight.

SPEAKER 4: Mookie says, does this mean my sneaker phone won't work. It's the football phone. It's not, it's the football phone from Sports Illustrated. I had one of those Warren, what's going on. Did you ever, were you a Sports Illustrated guy?

SPEAKER 3: I read it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I don't know if I've ever subscribed to it. I would just, either someone would let me read their copy or if, you know, if I went to the newsstand, you know, remember those. And there was a cover that I was fond of, I would, you know, buy one or if it was a stealer related cover or Mets related cover, I would, maybe pick it up.

SPEAKER 3: I wasn't like I wasn't reading every episode, you know, necessarily, but I pick it up here and there and I mean, it's just an iconic magazine. I mean, you know, it's, when you think of sports magazines, it's probably the first one that comes in my way. It is. You know.

SPEAKER 4: So, yeah, well, I, I will say that I always tried to get my parents to get me a subscription for my birthday because that meant I got the free giveaway. That's how I got my football phone and it included the swimsuit issue. So I didn't have to go buy it on my own. It would automatically be delivered. So that was the advantage to the subscription.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think I, you know, now that I think about it, I think I had it for a year or two at different points and then I let it expire and then they keep sending you like, you know, they keep sending you like we're new now and then it would be like half price. I learned the trick like you don't subscribe right away and then you can get it half off. So.

SPEAKER 4: Well, that's good. Good, good good work on your part. And Ruben, it was Eddie Matthew 1st, 1st player on the cover of si, are you saying that like you, you know, or are you taking a guess? No, I, I know that one. I sold, I sold a first copy just testing it. Thank you, Reuben. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER 3: I would have got that wrong. I would have got that wrong if I guessed. I mean, now I know the answer but, well, I was with John, I was gonna go with John Daley.

SPEAKER 4: But well, well, you know, card mentions, we'll have to have a swimsuit issue. Now, according to Steven.

SPEAKER 3: So you're gonna have to use that. You have to use extra paper, right?

SPEAKER 4: And it's definitely.

SPEAKER 3: I don't think that's gonna be very much in demand. It'll probably be rare because a lot of them will get destroyed and it'll make any remaining copies worth. So it's a.

SPEAKER 4: Super, super short print, evening guys, everyone has to be rooting for Jordan Love and the Packers tomorrow night. Right.

SPEAKER 4: Well, how we talk.

SPEAKER 3: About Jordan, we are gonna talk for Jordan.

SPEAKER 3: Jor Jordan loves on my list of guys to talk about about on this particular, topic that we picked today.

SPEAKER 4: Happy Friday Hodges.

SPEAKER 4: All right. So we kind of kicked the ball off there. You want to talk about what is, what our main top is.

SPEAKER 3: And it, it's, it's the NFL playoffs and, you know, I know we talk a lot of baseball on the show. We're both baseball fans but football, you know, whether people like, you know, little shots fired coming here, whether people want to admit or not, football is really come the national, pastime and a lot of people obviously watch it.

SPEAKER 3: You got fantasy football, you got Dan Daily Fantasy Leagues, you've got, you know, sports betting, football's probably, without fact checking, I think it's the number one, probably gambled on sport, out of the major sports.

SPEAKER 3: And so, you know, and, and baseball, I love baseball. It's not a knock to baseball, but I love football too and it's, it's playoff time, man, as we, you know, lead up to the Super Bowl here in early February and we've seen this before.

SPEAKER 3: Right. What's happened on the field, even in postseason, obviously can have a direct correlation on card values. I know it's a quarterback driven league. We're not here to change that narrative or try to change people mind people's minds.

SPEAKER 3: But we have, I have seen some defensive players start to garner more hobby attention, wide receivers have made strides, running backs have kind of, if any position in, in hobby football that hasn't really made big strides, it's probably been the running back still, but quarterbacks receivers and even a little bit on the defensive side, have, and people can make a name.

SPEAKER 3: Some of these players can make a name for themselves with playoff performance.

SPEAKER 3: And, and, and that's kind of what we're gonna go through, tonight and talk about some guys who not only can, can help your stock, right? But who, who can hurt, who's hurt their stock, thus far or, or in, in games that have already been, been played. So, again, we can kinda tackle both sides of those, those analytics.

SPEAKER 4: Well, just to catch up on a couple of comments, Mookie says that you're right about football being number one. Taylor Swift would never date Nestor Cortez.

SPEAKER 3: That would be interesting. Now, I'm not a very nice guy.

SPEAKER 4: I gotta tell you nice guy, Nestor.

SPEAKER 3: And if that doesn't work out with, with Travis Kelsey, maybe he's next on the list. We don't know what our list looks like.

SPEAKER 4: And the Aaron Jones for Christian mccafferty matchup could be one for the ages.

SPEAKER 4: Ii, I like the Niners in that one. I don't know if we're making picks or, I don't know.

SPEAKER 3: Man, that game might, I'm not, I'm not necessarily gonna pick winners, but that game might be closer than people probably think it should be. I think, I don't know.

SPEAKER 4: So, so I'm gonna put the Saturday games up on the screen just so we have them up there, while we talk about them and, I guess, look forward a little bit first.

SPEAKER 4: Houston Baltimore, who are we kidding? You know where I fall on this one?

SPEAKER 4: CJ Stroud at this point, I think he's maxed out, not for the year. I'm saying he won't lose any value if they lose. I think he, unless, unless.

SPEAKER 3: They really get blown out and he looks terrible. But even then, like you said, he had arguably, guys the, the greatest NFL rookie season, ever, any position. Just, well, I'm I'm almost gonna say any position dandy. Like the, the greatest rookie season. I didn't see it coming.

SPEAKER 3: I, I didn't think it would be bad but I don't think anyone saw him having the year he did. And then you, you take the other side of the coin and, and Bryce Young look horrible and, you know, we've seen young quarterbacks struggle ones that play. He's on the Steelers, he's terrible. And I think that party is over for that guy.

SPEAKER 3: So the quarterback is one of the toughest positions to play in any sport to come in as a rookie like CJ Strout has and do it the way he has and, and in the whole Ohio State quarterbacks don't have success in the NFL. This, you know, K if you will and yet he kind of broke that.

SPEAKER 3: He broke that, that I don't wanna know if you want to call a curse, but he broke that stigma, right? That, Ohio State quarterbacks could be great at college, but they can't do it at the next level. He did it big. He's gonna win NFL, rookie of the year on the offensive side. And, you know, he, he's, and, and I see that Rubens 83 Dickerson was great.

SPEAKER 3: And it's hard to compare different errors, right? I guess it is a passing error more now than, in 83. So, you know, II I get it, it, let, let's just put it this way, I'll, I'll, I'll backpedal a little bit one, you know, CJ Strout is one of the best rookie seasons, ever in the NFL.

SPEAKER 4: Best chat room, best chat room on the internet right here, man.

SPEAKER 3: Call me out. Right. You know, but he's right there, man. When we're talking about best rookie seasons, he's, he's on the short list, to win that, category. And like you said, they're not the favorites. I don't believe, I don't know the point spreads on these games. I haven't done the nines are definitely favorite. Yeah. You know, you look at SCR, you look at Lamar Jackson on the other side.

SPEAKER 3: You've sort of got a, a master mentor type of situation, right? Here when we talk about, court and I, I know you don't necessarily, like to talk about it, but, you know, Lamar Jackson gets to these points in the playoffs and then something happens and they lose to maybe they, someone they shouldn't. So if there's a little bit more magic left in the CJ. Strout season, you could be a very unhappy fan tomorrow night.

SPEAKER 4: There, there's a possibility of that. There's also a possibility I'll wake up 6 ft three, you know, tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER 4: Anything's possible. I'm, brazenly o overconfident on this matchup, I think as far as cards go, I, I don't think there's a lot of guys who, who really can gain a lot of value. I'll say Zay Flowers Isaiah likely for the Ravens on their offense are, are not as well known and are both young players.

SPEAKER 4: And, and other than that, I think, like you said, Lamar Jackson, his low point was in the office.

SPEAKER 4: He's, he's already got the MVP baked in and, and, and I'm not sure there's much more he can do, but if he gets to a Super Bowl going ahead of ourselves here, that would, but that, that would be different. Absolutely.

SPEAKER 3: I think another guy to watch in this game who had a great regular season, he's not a rookie, he's just a young wide receiver, Nico Collins, really put together, a great year and not too bad postseason. He's another guy like he's not, you know, cards are still affordable, but he's sort of putting his name in that wide receiver one a category.

SPEAKER 3: I don't think he's there quite yet, but if he continues where he, you know what he's doing, for sure. So, you know, it's an interesting quarterback matchup. You got a young Bull versus veteran Bull. You know, I thought Cleveland was gonna beat Houston last week that their defense was pretty good in the regular season.

SPEAKER 3: I, I thought CJ Stroud would sort of hit that wall running into that kind of defense and they put up 40 put up a 40 burger, against the Browns and, and here they are versus the Ravens.

SPEAKER 3: So, I guess I, I just, you can't bet, you know, you can't bet against the Texans anymore or, or, or the young rookie in Stroud, you just don't, they're capable of doing some crazy things. I don't think they're winning the Super Bowl, but could they beat Baltimore? We'll, we'll, I guess we'll find out, tomorrow the Packers, he's on my list here.

SPEAKER 3: You know, Jordan Love is starting to look like the guy, the Packers traded up, to get and, you know, succeed Aaron Rodgers and there's, you know, been a year or two before this year where people were like, oh, it doesn't look like that guy but, now he does and he, he, you know, he out, outperformed Jack Prescott last we in, in what many are calling an upset there.

SPEAKER 3: And I think he's, I think he's really finding his stride and the, the Packers have found their next quarterback, you know, Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers, and now I think it's gonna be Jordan Love for who knows how long. So, his cards while they're up on an uptick, obviously, there's still room to, to, to grow there and he beats for the 49Er, right?

SPEAKER 3: There, there's, that's how it happens. And they, they have a quarterback too which Brock Purdy is gonna show up, right? The one that played the Red Ravens and threw four picks or the guy, many think will make them a Super Bowl contender and prob possibly a Super Bowl winner.

SPEAKER 3: One of those is gonna show up tomorrow and I think, I think 49Er fans have to be a little nervous with this matchup. And Purdy, you know, he's not Joe Montana at this point. And so, you know, you didn't have to worry with Joe Montana. You really got Joe Montana, which brought Purdy is going to arrive in San Francisco tomorrow, right?

SPEAKER 3: The Brock party that was an MVP candidate until Baltimore came to town or is that quarterback gonna show up against the Packers? And we're gonna have more time to talk about Jordan Love. So the, these are both sort of, I think these are both could be good games.

SPEAKER 3: And we could be, we could be talking about two young quarterbacks in, in their conference championships, potentially. I'm not predicting this, but you could have a Jordan Love and a CJ Stroud in, in the conference championships, and or at least one of them potentially.

SPEAKER 3: So, definitely some, some storylines here. There's some hobby lines here with, again, we, we know quarterbacks drive the, the football hobby and we got, we got four in this, in these two games that all have storylines even with Lamar Jackson and Brock Purdy not being as young as some of these other guys.

SPEAKER 3: But, yeah, I mean, it's, it's gonna be interesting, appreciate the summary, have not done the Packers receivers too reed and, and the young receivers and Romeo Dabs so, well, they're tight end also. Yeah. Yeah, I don't care what they play, they score touchdowns.

SPEAKER 4: Ii, I like the favorites in both of these games. I actually think on the 49Er you could have a breakout game from somebody like a Brandon Auk, Debo Samuel, depending on, you know, who's healthy, who's playing where you know, this time of year, you know, you never know.

SPEAKER 4: But I, I think those guys because they've had success before the markets wanted to like them before.

SPEAKER 4: Same thing with Jordan L. He was very hot when he was drafted and then, and then he had that, you know, kind of a slump in the market and like I always say the post, he bounce back.

SPEAKER 4: He would be the perfect type of candidate for that.

SPEAKER 4: All that being said, I, I, I'm, I'm gonna take Baltimore and, and San Francisco if I have to make the picks on this and, and I, I, to be honest with you, I don't think it's as close as, as you're saying, John, who did I take last week with the Packers and the Cowboys?

SPEAKER 4: I, I did well on that one, I, I, I'll.

SPEAKER 3: Just say this, I bet on last week's games and I stayed away from the Packers Cowboys game. I didn't know what, what to pick, because I knew the cowboy, I knew the Cowboys history of choking at this time of year. And Mike Mccarthy's track record much like Mike Klin, my, my guy in Pittsburgh's recent track record, so it was a do not touch game for me.

SPEAKER 3: I, I wasn't so much shocked that the Packers won as much as I was shocked by the fashion that they won and they just blew the doors off them early in Dallas. You know, Dak Prescott was, was not good.

SPEAKER 3: And, you know, you look at Dak Prescott's final bo line. It doesn't look terrible, but he fattened up his numbers against the pre REDD defense when the game was already decided. So D pre got played terrible. Jordan Love played excellent and the Packers are, are still playing and that's one of the main reasons why.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, and I did, I did have that, the Packers in a parlay. I just wanted to confirm, that I was giving correct information there.

SPEAKER 3: You can say anything you want to say. Well, I, I did check out, you know, just, you know, at least I said I didn't touch the game because I was so unsure.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, no, no, I touched it. Ii I touched it a lot.

SPEAKER 4: Ok, let's, let's move to Sunday.

SPEAKER 4: And then I know you have some people that have already been eliminated. All that you want to touch on also.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Not a ton.

SPEAKER 4: But, so let me talk. Bucks Lions a little bit first.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, you go first this time, Bucks Lions.

SPEAKER 4: To me, this was, this is the easiest one out of all the games. If there's one player that could have a big game and have a bounce back in the hobby. It's Baker Mayfield. There's nobody else I think playing this weekend that has as much of, of a, of a possibility of gaining stature in the hobby again as Baker.

SPEAKER 4: That's not saying I like Baker. I'm not saying to buy Baker. I'm just saying from where he was when he first got drafted, you know, talk about the post hype bounce. This is about as post type as you get and you, he, he has a chance to, to, to do something on the road.

SPEAKER 3: I think it's already happened. I, I just did a show last weekend, did very well and, some Baker Mayfield that I've had for a while. I no longer have, they were sold, you know, that people handed me cards and I'm total them up and I'm like, it's a Baker, it's a Baker Saturday show. So I sold quite a bit of bakers, last Saturday.

SPEAKER 3: So I think there's people who believe there's even talk that the Steelers might, send some feelers out. If he becomes an independent, free agent. So maybe he'll be wearing, black and gold. I actually think he's a pretty good quarterback. I don't think, I don't think he's elite or, or in that kind of category, but he can win you some games.

SPEAKER 4: And, in Cleveland, Cleveland was a dumpster fire when he was there.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, but he played good there too. That's the thing, you.

SPEAKER 4: Know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER 3: I'm saying, despite all that, he's probably been the best quarterback they've had in a long time. I know he's not there now. And the only reason he's probably gone is because the money they threw at Deshaun Watson, that's not looking like a great deal anymore. I bet you, I bet you if Cleveland was honest, they say we would have saved their money and kept Baker.

SPEAKER 3: You know what I mean? I mean, they're not gonna come out and say that now, but internally they're probably thinking that. So, yeah, for sure with all the, the charges, with Watson, then he got hurt and the contract and you know, and then Joe Flacco looked like the Super Bowl champion again. He is a.

SPEAKER 4: Super Bowl champion.

SPEAKER 4: Oh yeah. And he was.

SPEAKER 3: Playing like he was 20 years younger again. So, you know, it's you know, it's crazy but yeah, Baker Mayfield, you know, putting his name back out there and collect his mouth again and who, you know, I don't know who would have thunk. You. Right. You just never, you never know. So, but go ahead.

SPEAKER 4: Well, so that's what to me, to me, he's just, I think the, the most to gain, everybody else, I think Josh Allen had a little bit of a downer but he's come, he's come up, you know, later in the year.

SPEAKER 4: I, the Lions, I think they're the better team, but II, I think the Bucks are, are gonna take that one and.

SPEAKER 3: Wow, you, that would be considered an upset. So, you know.

SPEAKER 4: I'm, I'm taking the Bucks and the Bills.

SPEAKER 3: All right.

SPEAKER 3: Well, let, let say we talk about Baker Mayfield. I'm not gonna say much more. I sold some stuff last week that pretty, you know, puffed about that.

SPEAKER 3: Another guy out of the box and he's not young anymore. He's on the back, nine, back nine of his career. But I think we talked about him on another show or something.

SPEAKER 3: Ii, I remember but Mike Evans, had a very good year, having a good postseason and he's gonna be a Hall Of Fame wide receiver and it's gonna be, he's, you know, gonna sneak up on people, when that day comes and his stuff, I have some stuff. I have some RPAS that are shockingly when I looked like cops up. I'm like, that's all they're bringing?

SPEAKER 3: So, like he's, he's gonna be like there's some bargains to be had in the Mike Evans department. If you believe in like a Hall Of Fame Bunce, like by your Mike Evans. Now, I'm not saying, you know, he's Jerry Rice.

SPEAKER 4: You don't have to rush out. The pressures aren't going anywhere on Mike Evans for a long time.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. No, but I think they will when he gets the, the, the Canton call. So, and they're so low now is not a bad time to buy because you're getting in, sort of on, on the ground level. I'm not, to respond to Ruben.

SPEAKER 3: He said, Baker's not coming to the Berg, I'm not predicting that. I've just heard that being tossed around. So, listen, I don't know if you agree. I'm a huge Steelers fan. He's better than anyone we have on the current roster. Trubetsky Pickett or, or like Jason Rol.

SPEAKER 3: It isn't, but he's still better than all three of those guys. So, if that, that's who we get, it's better than what we got him. But I, I'm hoping they're a higher too, but we'll see a lot of off season, to go. So, you know, and the Bills and Chiefs Josh Allen had a sort of a, an up and down regular season, but he's kind of, turning it on in the postseason. I've called him today's Brett Favre, right. He's kind of a gun slinger.

SPEAKER 3: You're gonna have to live with a pick or two sometimes. But he's so good he can over of those turnovers and win games by himself too. So, Josh Allen is legit. You're gonna have to deal with some turnovers here and there. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. It's not been a Chiefs type of season just the third year. Yeah. You know, and iii I, both of these games are, again, I'm gonna, you know, play the middle here.

SPEAKER 3: Both these games could be close, too. I don't see any real huge blowouts with these four games and, I would pick, I would probably lean Bills, because they're at home and I don't see Mahomes is not having, you know, they're missing receivers, they just haven't replaced, Tyree Kill in, in Kansas City. Kelsey is Travis Kelsey. He's been fairly quiet, you know what? You know, there's the Madden curse the first.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Have you, have you, I mean, since Taylor Swift's coming into the picture, they've been sort of ok as a team. So, I don't know, you know, can't.

SPEAKER 4: Hit on him for that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. No, it's not his fault, but I'm just saying that they've sort of lost their, their, like dominating Mojo the Chiefs have. But it just, maybe it's more timing and coincidence, than anything else.

SPEAKER 3: So there's really, you know, no one from the Chief Mahomes, if anything, his stuff sort of leveled off because of the, the season, he's had some of the bigger seasons from other quarterbacks that are younger, Stroud and, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER 3: So, I mean, I guess Mahomes could get a bump if he really will start lighting it up. They beat the Bills and get back to Another Super Bowl. I don't see that happening but that, that could happen. All right. So Sam Laporta, Sam, I know tight ends.

SPEAKER 3: Talk about a guy, talk about a rookie. How about that pick? Sam Laporta has had a better year than Travis Kelsey. He's had a better postseason and I, I think he's, questionable. I don't know what the status has changed. I think he's, he might, he's.

SPEAKER 4: Got, he's got a knee. If I, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER 3: He's a legit tight end.

SPEAKER 3: And this isn't a one year wonder type of deal. He's, you know, for you Fantasy League folks, he's gonna be one of the first tight ends, on your draft board in, in future drafts. And, you know, he's, he's the real deal and again, I know tight end don't bring a, a lot of hobby money.

SPEAKER 3: Although Travis Kelsey rookies do, especially high grade one. So Sam Laporte is the guy you gotta look at hobby wise. He's, you know, when you get into some of the RPAS and some of the, some of the higher end stuff, it's still, he's still kinda, he's affordable now. But for how long I think those numbers start to, to go up.

SPEAKER 4: I think there's a reason he's affordable. He's, he's a t, you know, I, I agree with you. I agree with every thing you're saying about Sam Laporta as a player. The cards, just the market doesn't love them. They just don't even Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews who's a top five, top three tight end, whatever you wanna call him. No love.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think Sam Laporta is gonna get some happy love here in the next few years. If what I think he's gonna do continues to go in that direction.

SPEAKER 4: Do you happen to own a bunch of Sam Laporta cards?

SPEAKER 3: I actually don't, I don't, I, I know you, I, I know you probably sense that I actually don't but I, I, maybe I put that in my ebay search list at this point is that I actually, I like Sam Jersey.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I like, no, I won't.

SPEAKER 4: We, what if they made a Sam Laporta Acetate card?

SPEAKER 3: I, yeah, I might, I might consider it.

SPEAKER 3: I like Sam Laporta. I think he's, he's gonna be, you know, barring injury. He's gonna be one of the best tight ends in the NFL. All right. Who else do you have on your list is, well, let's talk about some guys that aren't, have been eliminated.

SPEAKER 3: Nicu from the Rams. I mean, again, and probably if it wasn't for Strout, he'd win rookie year and he, he put up, I saw his stat line and that was insane for rookie, rookie.

SPEAKER 4: Well, he, he took over Cooper Cup's numbers.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, it, it was like, who saw that coming?

SPEAKER 3: Like, I know he was kind of talked about at the draft and this is a, a sleeper wife out and he's not, you know, the f, you know, with some of the, the early picks but he, you know, he's, he's legit and, I know they're not playing anymore but, he looks like the real deal, you know, Detroit, you know, you got Jamar, Gibbs at running back that they, that's why they traded the, you know, deandre Swift and the, the Philly, they're done.

SPEAKER 3: You know, but running backs, I'm not a Jamar Gibbs guy. Not so much for Jamar Gibbs just because of the track.

SPEAKER 4: Record and they got, and they got Montgomery who vultures everything in the end zone for them.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm trying to think of other, you know, that's about it. Dak Prescott.

SPEAKER 3: You know, we talk about, going up and going down, he's, he's back down again, you know, he was down, then, Dallas was looking like they're going to the Super Bowl in everyone's mind and the stuff goes up and then he lays an egg against Green Bay and it's, it's bad deck again and people, you know, it's funny, at half time at that Dallas Green Bay game.

SPEAKER 3: I was on my phone and on like, Facebook and all my, you know, card groups. I belong to all the Dak Prescott stuff was, listed for sale. Hey, you know, Dick Prescott contenders Rookie Auto.

SPEAKER 3: And it was like, when Pickett started really struggling, the Pittsburgh, all the Pittsburgh stuff, all the picket stuff hit, hit the marketplaces. That's what happened with, with D at about half time of, of last week's game. So, you know, yeah, Jalen hurts the blooms a little bit off the road there.

SPEAKER 4: It was gonna be my question.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah, for sure, you know, for sure. And, we don't even know if Ceriani, not that, that has anything to do with Jalen hurts, but Ceriani might have won, lost his job. Imagine that you go to the Super Bowl and fired, potentially hurt. I've never was really a fully on the hurts thing. I thought he caught, you know, a little lightning in the bottle.

SPEAKER 3: I thought he had some serious playmakers with Davaa Smith and, and Brown that made him look a little bit better. He was just throwing balls up until like double coverage and those guys were like just winning battle balls and, and the stat line, I thought his stat line was always a little deceiving.

SPEAKER 3: Maybe this proves that maybe it doesn't, maybe he just had a bad postseason.

SPEAKER 4: So he also, I mean, messed up his finger real bad on his throwing.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah. So, it's, he's young. He can rebound. Look, I mean, look, we're talking about Baker Mayfield, who everyone took out to the trash compactor now resurrected, his career with, with the Tampa Bay Bucks. And so, you know, we'll, we'll see, it's early but I'm, I've definitely seen more Jalen Hurtz for Sale Post, a as well.

SPEAKER 3: So, and that's how the hobby is, right? When someone gets a little fearful that maybe they're not legit, sell now, get out while you can type of deal. So, you know, we'll see. I see Moie Moogie chose and Andy Reid's last game. I don't, you mean a retirement? He's not getting fired.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, I think, I think he means that if the Chiefs lose, does he step that?

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if that guy's got a lot and I don't mean this as bad as it sounds. I don't think he's got a lot going. I think he loves football. I don't think he's retiring. Just yet. I think he's got a few more, you know, state farm commercials. And, don't touch, yeah. Do that again with the Nuggies.

SPEAKER 3: I think he's gonna do it again next year with the no, yes.

SPEAKER 4: Anytime you can say no use, the retirement rumors are swirling for Andy.

SPEAKER 4: Y yeah, I, I don't see it. Well, here, here's my perspective if he thinks the team is going the wrong way and they have that Mahomes contract, it's gonna be tough to turn that ship around.

SPEAKER 3: I won't disagree with you. I still, I don't think he retires still. You know what? You know what? I think he has a better chance of retiring if somehow Kansas City turns us on, wins Another Super Bowl and then he retires and even, then that will be their second one in a row and then it's the three peat.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm gonna say no, I mean, I know that's probably a safe bet to say no, I just, I don't see him walking away from the Chiefs. Right?

SPEAKER 4: Just now, we'll say a lot of people would have said the same thing about Belichick at the early in the season. So, all right. Anybody else on your list before we, move, move on?

SPEAKER 3: No, that's, that's, I think I'm looking at it right now, I think, oh, you know, I know one last guy and he's, he's still active and I know defensive players don't get a ton of hobby love. Right. But we're seeing a little bit more. We've seen, you know, TJ Watt Cards make a move. We've seen, some of the Bosa brothers sell a little bit better.

SPEAKER 3: You know, another guy in Detroit, Aidan Hutchinson, very young defensive player, but looking, looking like a stud defensive player.

SPEAKER 3: Some of his stuff brings not too bad coin. Again, you get into that the higher end, the RP A stuff. And, again, if you believe he's a long term guy, like a TJ watt type like an Aaron Donald. Now's the time to get in on him.

SPEAKER 4: A Donald is not worth money, then nobody should, then nobody's gonna be Aaron Donald. I hear you.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Well, listen, defensive guys never bring enough love, you know. I get that but, you know, if you happen to be a Lions fan and a car collector, it's a good opportunity to buy Aidan Hutch.

SPEAKER 4: If you haven't spent all your money on Sam Laporta, I like Sam Laporta. Yeah, I can tell, I know what I'm getting you now for a gift.

SPEAKER 4: All right.

SPEAKER 4: The chat room seems to agree with everything you said in the last 30 minutes.

SPEAKER 4: So, I was gonna move and talk about a little Baseball Hall Of Fame. Unless you wanted to put us.

SPEAKER 3: Talk of baseball. We can't do a whole show and not talk any baseball.

SPEAKER 4: Well, especially with, with the, Hall Of Fame voting, being announced on Tuesday.

SPEAKER 4: For those of you who are familiar with Ryan Thibodeau and, and what the work he does as far as gathering the, the votes from, from all the voters who make them public, as of right now, it looks like Adrian Beltre is gonna sail in and this is with, 4 47.4% of the ballots.

SPEAKER 4: But Joe Mauer, Todd Helden and Billy Wagner all look like they're gonna, they're headed in with Gary Sheffield and Andrew Jones. Just missing.

SPEAKER 4: I think, I don't know.

SPEAKER 3: How we talked before the show full full trans the Joe Mauer ones that had scratch it to me. 84% for Joe Ma when we did this show, what a month or two ago or two months.

SPEAKER 3: Like I, I didn't even, I didn't even question whether Joe Mauer would ever get it. I think I said it would take the Veterans Committee and look at this like this is, this is crazy to me.

SPEAKER 4: He's gonna, he, he, he, I mean, he's gonna go, he isn't it?

SPEAKER 3: This isn't the final vote.

SPEAKER 4: No, the final vote will be Tuesday but it would take, it would take half the ball.

SPEAKER 3: I think they just got the half that Joe Bauer was on. So this number like this number like I'm shocked, man, I'm not gonna lie. I'm shocked by, by Joe Mauer.

SPEAKER 3: Like I, I would pick Sheffield if you told me that, either Sheffield or Joe Mauer have 84%. Which one is it? And I know Sheffield's only 10 point percentage. I I would have took Sheffield, you.

SPEAKER 4: Know, especially Sheffield's last year. So if you're gonna vote for him, this is the Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Joe Mauer, you know, he's I think he's getting a lot of this for, for the position he played, which was catcher. But like we talked about before the show, he didn't, he switched over too. It's not like he's, this is a, a whole career of, of catching the Mauer. One is a head scratch.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know who's, well, and it's not a personal thing against Joe Mauer. Joe Mayors from all accounts is a really nice guy. A, a good to very good player. He, I, I don't see him as a Hall Of Famer. Apparently other people don't agree with my assessment. So this one is the, the Mauer, the, the Helen one don't scratch it.

SPEAKER 3: Even the Billy Wagner is one of the arguably one of the best closers. He's in the mix for one of the best closers and it's like punting, right? Once Ray guy gets in, you gotta start looking at, you know, other punters too, right? So we gotta look at, you know, well, and I'll take it, I'm shocked by it. I'm shocked by it.

SPEAKER 4: And, and, and, you know, ii a lot of people in the comments, you know, saying they'd leave Joe out. Ruben says that Ted Simmons would be AC to B to let Joe Mauer in. To me, it's, it's, it's more of an issue of, yeah, for how long did somebody dominate, you know, were they considered one of the best players in the sport? And let's.

SPEAKER 3: Say that is this his first year on the ballot.

SPEAKER 3: So let's say this is the final vote. It's half the vote. Let's say this winds up to be the final vote. Joe Mauer would be a first battle Hall Of Famer. That doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER 3: Really? I'm confused.

SPEAKER 4: Well, and especially would you have taken Joe Mauer or Gary Sheffield? Because Gary Sheffield might fall off the ballot completely.

SPEAKER 3: I would take Sheffield ahead of Mauer. I'm not saying even Sheffield is a Hall Of Famer. He's right there.

SPEAKER 4: I think he is a player. You would take Sheffield.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think I would, you know, it's hard, you're comparing different positions right fielder being an outfield later on. More d aging but, more of a skilled position. Well, catcher is a skilled position too. Well, it's hard to compare a catcher to, to an outfielder.

SPEAKER 4: D the, the second half of his career.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I, I, I'm not saying Mauer was terrible but 84% of the Hall Of Fame. Well, that's high for, especially on the first, first ballot nonetheless too. Like, man, that is, I don't know, I don't know, I'm missing something there. I really am or someone else, either I'm missing something there or 84% of the voters are missing something there.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I want to, what do you think of Todd Helden? I like the Todd Helden vote. Actually.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, you know, it's not his first time on the ball. I think it's he, it's time that he gets in.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, you know, my only, my only thing with Sheffield, he's been talked about in that performance enhancing stuff. Never really. I don't believe it was ever officially proven. His numbers are, are Hall Of Fame. I agree with Wood Ruben more so than ma for that man for, for that matter like the Mauer thing is like when you put this up, I thought you messed with the numbers just to bust my balls.

SPEAKER 4: No, Mike Petty says Hall Of Fame has clearly jumped the shark. Joe Dimaggio didn't make the hole in the first vote. Love that one second.

SPEAKER 3: That's insane. That's it. I don't know what's more insane that Joe D didn't get in on the first ballot or, or the fact that Joe Mallor is 84% on his first year eligible. I think I'm going with Mauer. I mean, that's, that number is super high for his numbers. And you know, as a guy that had didn't play catcher's whole career. If he played catcher's whole career, I'd still be surprised by the 84.

SPEAKER 4: But then compared to more to other catchers, you know, where defense maybe was more valued or something like that. I tell you.

SPEAKER 3: What man as a Joe as of yet, Joe as a Thurman Munson kid. If Mauer gets in on the first ballot, we got to start talking about Thurman Munson again, like seriously, you know.

SPEAKER 4: Name your favorite Todd Holden moment. I can't remember any starting quarterback, University Of Tennessee in front of him.

SPEAKER 3: He was one of those very good players for a, a AAA good amount of time and that his, his numbers are, yeah, that gets you in. He's not a sexy guy, like, like Dan is pointing out there's no World Series play or moment that does, you know, stand out in a lot of people's minds.

SPEAKER 3: I, I get it but when you look at the body of work, you know, he's not to be confused with some of the all time greats, but he's more a hall of a fam than Joe Mauer is to, to be, to be blunt honest.

SPEAKER 3: So I, I, the Mauer thing, I thought you, you doctored these numbers up, Danny when I, when you put this chart up, I thought it was just to get me going and get my blood pressure go which, which it has. But apparently these are real numbers. Get my blood pressure going, not a dandy fake out.

SPEAKER 4: So, and how do you feel about in the hall and closers in general, you know, Mariano, arguably the best one.

SPEAKER 3: So that's, that's who sets the bar.

SPEAKER 3: But we, we're starting to see relievers get in, you know, you're, you're Trevor Hoffman, Riley finger, one of the first ones. Goose Gossage.

SPEAKER 3: A guy I saw in person many a time who was scary. Scared me when I met him. I said, you used to scare me, when I watched you in person and he goes, I don't scare you anymore. And I said, no, you're in your sixties. And he got a chuckle. He had a chuckle out of that. But, and then he, he probably could have. He didn't, he, he was pretty, he laughed about it. We had a good, here's a picture. I, I can post it on another day.

SPEAKER 3: But, yeah, relievers should get in. I mean, the relievers today are different than the relievers that I grew up on. Right. And, and you grew up on where they pitched two or three innings, they get the same. Now, they're, there's more specialists. You get your, your middle relief guys, your long relief guys, your eighth inning guys and then you have your closer come in to get 12 or three outs only, right.

SPEAKER 3: So it's, it's hard again. It's hard to compare today's closers to the guys like Gossage and, and fingers and Eckersley who would pitch 2 to 3 innings, to get that save, and go through almost the whole lineup of nine guys to get there, right? Rather than just three or four or even five on a, on a rougher out.

SPEAKER 3: So, yeah, but if you have, you know, 3, 400 saves or whatever the, the, you know, I mean, what, you know, we talk about 500 home runs. You should be in the hall, I guess. Now we have to like what's the save number to get in? You know, but.

SPEAKER 4: And now, and now, but now they're being used differently and cause you don't have a, the clo true closure anymore again.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Are we gonna get to a time where we put in the like the eighth inning guy on holds are, holds are, holds gonna become a stat that gets you in the Hall Of Fame. Like he had 300 holes in his career, but 10 saves, but he's a Hall Of Fame. Like this is all like the game is different now. So, you know, I've found that set or eighth inning clo, reliever. Not even closer. I almost said closer.

SPEAKER 3: I'm like, hey man, I did my job for, for 14 years maintaining the lead so our closer can close the door and get, get the stat that gets him in the Hall Of Fame, but I have over 200 holes. I should be a Hall Of Famer, right? When does that become an argument? You know, I.

SPEAKER 4: Think it's an argument now. I mean, look at the teams that are winning, winning in the postseason.

SPEAKER 3: It became a stat. It's like a late, no, I, I understand.

SPEAKER 4: I'm just saying and whether or not it's an official hold the middle reliever, that role has changed completely the high leverage pitcher.

SPEAKER 4: It, it, it, it, it's, it's a much more important role than it used to be because then you're not saving them for the ninth inning, you're putting them in, you know, the most important game situation a lot of times. And so for me, I don't know that whole draw saves.

SPEAKER 4: Work. Mike Petty says 100 fake quality starts will get you in four innings. Picks, six runs, 3000 strikeouts, by a batter will get you in.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, it's, it's the Mauer thing is really a head scratch. I know I'm, I'm like a broken record. I apologize for that. But man, I, here I am on that last show. We, when we talked about like a preview with this, I'm talking about, he might have to relate way to the Veterans Committee and I wasn't even sure then. And here he might be a first b that is like stunning to me.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I'm, I'm, I'm shocked.

SPEAKER 4: You know, II I was a little sorry that the announcements coming three days, you know, after our live show, because I don't want it to be stale news when we talk about it or our next one. But I the n the early numbers are interesting.

SPEAKER 3: Well, apparently the guy, what you say his name is, I want to give him proper credit. Put that compiled the early votes, o on, on Twitter.

SPEAKER 4: He goes by, Mr Tibbs, but it's Ryan Thibodeau and it's, Ryan Thibodeau.

SPEAKER 3: Good job by you. But what I think he got was all the ones that have ma and the rest of them won't. I'm hoping, no offense, Joe Mauer. It's not a personal thing. Well, I'm hoping the other half don't have Mauer and when he gets, you know, 48% of the vote and it's not, we're not talking about a first ballot, Joe Mauer Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 3: And again, that's not a personal thing to, to Joe Mauer. That's just, I don't think he's a, a first ballot Hall Of Famer, man. I don't, I'm shocked that 84% of half the vote so far does, we'll see what the other ha how the other half lives. Well, he's.

SPEAKER 4: Just gotta finish at 75 you know, but I think Adrian Beltre is also somebody you can get cheap cards still.

SPEAKER 4: Who's gonna sell right in as a first ballot?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, we talk, that's the one thing we both said on, on that previous show. Like he's a, he's a no brainer.

SPEAKER 3: Like there's nothing that really debate and, did it with the glove, did it with the bat, nice guy from, from, from all reports and, well respected by his peers and, he's gonna get in and, as reflected by that vote tracker, but some of the other ones. I, I mean, we can look at Chase. I mean, I li, I like Chase Utley better than Joe Maui has 43% of them.

SPEAKER 4: It's not a sexy class.

SPEAKER 3: True, true.

SPEAKER 4: I won't argue that it's not, I mean, you know, just, it's a lot of, I don't know, it's a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, I don't know, compilers or league of the very good, you know, ha the very good Ren says, yeah, that's what, you know, I've even heard people say there should be like two wings now in the hall, like the upper a line and every everybody else, right?

SPEAKER 3: How do you do that? Right? If you're either in or you're not in like, I, I think you can start getting like clicks and critiques and different wings and what's about and what not. So man, the Mauer thing, I really thought you were like, had put up a fake graphic knowing I would like go ballistic about the Mauer and yet that's, that's legit, stunning.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I, that, that's what I'm here for. I just wanna stun you.

SPEAKER 3: I'm, I'm off the Mauer Family Christmas card list, which it's OK. I'm gonna be all right, but.

SPEAKER 4: Not only that you're gonna be getting evil notes from the Mauer family.

SPEAKER 3: If you see this guy Liam and you know what I was.

SPEAKER 4: I was about to say you did, you did a bashing on him. I wasn't expecting tonight.

SPEAKER 3: Well, again, it's not personal man but like, I don't see it, I don't see it. Like I don't see it. Like, I don't know what's going on with the voting.

SPEAKER 4: You know, the early votes are usually the younger voters. So they're more into the advanced stats and that's where Mauer shines on some stuff.

SPEAKER 4: I don't know if the older voters are gonna look at him like bench or Barra or some of the other, even the Gabby Harnett or you know, some of the other Great Hall Of Famers.

SPEAKER 3: Heck at this point, put it Thurman put in mo beg, you know, put it, let's put in any catcher that played more than four years at the position.

SPEAKER 4: Hey, he's no Gary Carter, Lance Parish.

SPEAKER 3: Let's get Lance Parish in there. Remember Lance Parish?

SPEAKER 4: The votes are made perfect but not the individual voter just answer Al's question in the chat. The individual voters have to decide on their own if they want to release it, but the final numbers are released, the final percentages. Yeah, and that's announced Tuesday night. So it's a big day in the hobby. It affects a lot of, card prices, memorabilia prices.

SPEAKER 4: Mike Petty says, remember Thurman Munson? Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER 3: If Mauer gets in, man, you know, you almost got to put in Thurmond in like the captain dude, Matt notes, Mat Mattie Notes, Jims, son Legend. Yeah, Johnny Oates. I mean, let's talk about here.

SPEAKER 4: I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make you I hope your months in case here if you look at ops plus even with shorten career Munson ranks above Gary Carter, Bobby do Y Samberg and many others including even Derek Jeter. Well, Jeter's overrated.

SPEAKER 3: So that doesn't sound, you know, Mike, Mike Petty doesn't have to convince me I was a thun and kid. I've told the story on my own podcast when I was a guest. He's the first guy I cried over. I'm not, obviously not related to him. Actually never met him in person. Been the Yanks Stadium, watch him play from the stands. That doesn't count.

SPEAKER 3: But that's how I learned, I learned what death was when Thurman Munson died. I didn't get it. You know, I remember asking my grandfather and I apologize for people who've heard this story before. But I asked my grandfather when they broke into the news that he had this plane had crashed and he was deceased.

SPEAKER 3: I didn't know really what that meant. I asked my grandfather literally does that mean he won't be playing for the Yankees next year. That's when I learned the finality of death and when it really sucked in what it, what it really was and what it meant. I cried over a man I had never met personally before.

SPEAKER 3: But all that being said, like Mike Petty just pointed out, you know, Munson is more of a Hall Of Famer. If, if Mauer gets in again, we talk about guys where the bar gets lowered, we're now certain guys almost have to be no other guys have to be a no brainer. Munson becomes a no brainer like Mike Petty just pointed out.

SPEAKER 3: To me, I don't know, you know, others might make a different argument but to me and I think Mike Petty would agree like that, you know, at first ballot for ma like that's yikes, that's the word yikes. I'm like, I'm like Scooby, I'm like, right, those crazy voters.

SPEAKER 4: These are crazy. I'm gonna lie right now.

SPEAKER 4: Mike Petty. Damn. Right. I cried too. I was 15 and a Dodger fan. Yeah, Thurman Munson. It's a, it's a, it's a sad story because you, you got the feeling that he was on the road to the hall, you know, you just, if.

SPEAKER 3: If no doubt, I, I know, I know he was sort of, you know, especially in the catching position. He was sort of on the back nine of his career. Even besides what happened, there was talk that they might move him to a different position to prolong his career like a lot of catchers do.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, man, like this to me, he was, he was always in the discussion and now Mauer gets in you that really, like when you start putting up record for catchers, like, if Mauer gets in, how do you not have Thurman Munson?

SPEAKER 3: And like that's, you know, it's, it's, it's the same argument when Rizzuto got in at shortstop, Nelly Fox and then you start looking at shortstops and if Mauer gets in, you know, now you got to start looking at guys that aren't in that, you know, aren't here any longer or retired and start looking at their track record, you know, their career stats and, that's the risk when, when this happens, right?

SPEAKER 3: It, it, it, I wanna, I guess it, I was gonna say it lowers the bar. I guess there's no other way to put it. It, it lowers the bar because they, they lower the bar.

SPEAKER 4: Well, let me give Munson another hobby. Love here. Does he have one of the greatest photographs on any card ever?

SPEAKER 3: With the, with the play at the list? 71. Yeah. You know how many people think that, you know, how many people think that's his rookie card? It's got the gold cup on it and they forget about the 70.

SPEAKER 3: You know, and the.

SPEAKER 4: One photograph is tremendous.

SPEAKER 3: It is. It is. And that card in a high grade like goes for, well, more than his rookie, which is I think why people think it's his rookie card? Cause some of the, the, the money brings at certain auctions, in, in comparison to his actual, 1970 rookie card. So, well, it's also.

SPEAKER 4: Because it's so hard to find the, the black border in good condition. I mean.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's, it's, I believe me, I've seen plenty. I've owned some of those cards. I've seen plenty.

SPEAKER 3: I've, I have yet in person other than someone else at, like, the national or something. I've yet in person. I've really seen a great card, like, offered to me, like, any time it's come up to me, it's always in that off condition.

SPEAKER 3: Still love the card. But you know that, that, that's why those high grades bring those high dollars. But yeah, man, I'm this, don't we have to change the subject because the Mauer stuff has got me like triggered.

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SPEAKER 3: Well, we'll even insure your Joe Mauer card.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I think you need to have value first but, there's some ma person that's really gonna hate us after tonight. This is not of the ma if there were ma people who liked us before today that is sure we were not men to ma, I, I'd like, I'd like to, I'd like to apologize to the Maurer family.

SPEAKER 4: The man, the man, the man's got a family.

SPEAKER 4: John, we we are just crossing into overtime. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna to wrap us up here but we got two more weeks will be episode 31. This is episode 30. I just wanna give you you a shout out for sticking with me for 60 weeks now oo on this and I'm gonna be amazed every week we talk about it.

SPEAKER 3: I know. It's what, yeah, what, what you said we've even crossed the three calendar years, which I don't really think about until you said it.

SPEAKER 3: I think we should be Hall Of Famers before Joe Mauer. Just based on, just based on that. Right. I think that's harder to do.

SPEAKER 4: We've got the, we've got the men of, we've got the Mensches calendar coming out. So at least we have that for John.

SPEAKER 4: All right. Yeah, on that note. Say good night, John.

SPEAKER 3: Good night John. See you guys.