Jan. 30, 2026

Clemente Lisi talks NHL Hobby E373

Clemente Lisi talks NHL Hobby E373
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Clemente Lisi joins us to talk some NHL and the Hockey hobby. Next week a special episode covering the 2026 World Cup and Soccer Hobby.

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Sports guard Nations hobby is the people Wheely News and interviews.

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It's yon number one soul. Sports Gardations hobby is the people.

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Sports Gardation. What is up? Everyone? Welcome to episode three

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seventy three of Sports Card Nation. Hope everybody made it

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through the the winner armor Geddon storm. Okay, we got

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a lot of snow here, got a day off from

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from school and my wife even had a day off

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from work and she's a nurse. So hope everyone made

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it through okay and is doing all right. I got

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a great guest, my friend Clemente Lasi is on the

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program today part one, and in part one today we're

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gonna talk some hockey, some NHL, some hobby, some players,

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and next week the World Cup's coming to the to

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the States in North America, Canada, US and Mexico. And

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next week on the conclusion in part two. Clemente is

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one of the premiere knowledgeable people when it comes to

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World Cup, the history current wrote a book we'll talk

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about that as well, and just a vast bastion of

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knowledge when it comes to soccer. And so for someone

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like me that has just your your base level surface level,

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I always lean into him for uh new rules players

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to watch how this all goes down. And so next

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week he'll he'll clear that up and tackle that and

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look forward to to both episodes. So would that being said, uh,

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let's uh, let's bring Clemente. Always love chopping up sports

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in the hobby with the next gentleman. It's not his

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first time. He's a veteran of sports cardination. But he

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just made me away. It's been three years since I

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had him on. I did not realize that that is

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bad on me. I apologize, but I always love having

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him on. I consider him a good friend, not just

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someone I know in the hobby. Fellow New Yorker, fellow writer,

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he's an actor. I've never written a book before. He's

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got me there, professor. Probably I'm going to forget something.

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He's on other podcasts as well, So a man of

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many hats. Clemente, Lise, welcome.

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Hey, great to be back. Happy New Year, Happy New Year.

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I know, and you told me it's been three years.

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I'm glad you did, because I really didn't realize it

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was that long. So I've already promised them everybody that

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it won't be three years between uh from this airing

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to the next time he's on actually be next week,

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but even past that, we won't space it out uh

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three years. But uh man, you know you you, like

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I said, you wear a lot of hats and you're

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you're right. You've written a book about the World Cup,

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which which has been updated with with it coming u

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to US soil this year. We'll talk about that as well.

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Uh but uh, you know you just uh just a

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great guy, a great uh you know, very knowledgeable you

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do you know you go to some of the shows, uh,

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you know, being in New York, I'm biased being originally

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from there, but that's the melting pot in the metropolis

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of of sports and and just everything really and uh

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it's always always fun to talk about whatever. Uh we're

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talking about so house things.

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They're good.

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And I think twenty twenty six will be a very

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busy sports You're in a very busy hobby year with

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the World Cup, with the winter, yeah, a lot of

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other stuff and soccers.

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You're you're like, you have more than one lane, but

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soccer is really a big lane for you. And so

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with the World Cup coming here on North American soil,

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it's gonna be not only here in the US, but Mexico,

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UH and Canada. Well, we'll save a lot of that

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uh for for later on. We'll start out with some

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some hockey stuff. But I know you you know you're

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on Punk Trunk with Sal Berry and and you cover hockey.

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I'm a huge Ranger fan. I'm gonna have to wear

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a bag over my head now. The way they're playing it,

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it's been pretty pretty bad. They can't score at home.

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But you know, I I do watch other games, Clemente,

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besides the Rangers, I mean predominantly Rangers. And I've always

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been a hockey fan since i was even a little kid.

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While I've been a Ranger fan, I love hockey. I've

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always said this on the show and the people in conversations.

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Hockey is one of the best sports to see live

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and it's still pretty good even to watch it not

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live on on TV. And I try to watch all

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the Ranger games, but I also watch other teams play.

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And I'll say this, and you tell me if you

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agree with me. You know, there's always superstars in any sport,

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but right now there's like a youth movement of superstars

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taking the forefront uh in the NHL. And I'll mention

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some of them. I know, I'll leave someone off, but

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you guys like but obviously Connor Berdard McDavid's not a

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spring Chicken anymore, but still young celebrini, the Hughes Brothers,

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Wyatt Johnson, Lane Hudson, Cam mccarr, you know, Will Smith,

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uh with San Jose and again there's there's you know,

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kippers off. There's just the young talent, the lead that's

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now in the league and in US in the league.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I always felt like before this,

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it always felt like you had like a few big stars,

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you know, your Cross being a Vetch and guys like that.

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But I think we're just seeing a lot more young

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talent kind of leading their teams. Well what do you

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think of my assessment there? On my off base? Has

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it always been like this and maybe we're just noticing

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it more with more social media and more courage.

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Yeah, And I think that's right.

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I think there's always been players that come into every league,

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the NHL being one of them. The issue is, though

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a lot of them don't pan out. So if you

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look at the NHL. You mentioned McDavid the before that

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you have to go back a decade to Sydney Crosby

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and Ovechkin. Right, So every ten year, and you know

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after McDavid ten years, lilterally have the Dard right. So

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every ten years you have that one player that becomes

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a symbol. But then you have others. And you mentioned

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Leanne Hudson who was having a great year last year's

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rookie year. You have others, but they you know, Kill

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mccarr's great example, he was super hot a couple of

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years ago with Colorado and then now he's kind of

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cooled off. So these players kind of come and go.

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And you didn't mention Austin Matthews he's not young young

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either or Jack Eichol. These are good players and they're

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not super young. They've been the league now five ten years,

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but a lot of potential there. You know, I kind

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of measured them the way I would with in the hobby,

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Like they get super hot, their rookie cards do, the

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young guns cards do, and then they kind of taper

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off unless they win a cup or something. And so

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the only constants you have in the league are Ovechkin

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and cross By McDavid. Because people want a sure thing,

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I mean, the hottest player to collect in the NHL

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Hockey card wise, it's still win Gretzky, right, and he's

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been retired a very very long time. So people want

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sure things. They want to speculate, but at the same

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time they want a sure thing.

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Now.

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The league has had a lot of young players.

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You mentioned a bunch of players who played for San

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Jose because they've been a pretty lousy team, so they

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get pretty high draft picks.

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You know.

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Celebrini is one example. I think he's the real deal.

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I think Celebrin's a great player. We forget, you know,

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as Ranger fans, and I put myself in that group two.

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We had left Frontier, who there's a lot of hype

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behind him.

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Speaking Hey, I not to cut you up, but listen,

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speaking of guys that haven't lived up to what, you know,

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the billing. I remember when I got that pick and

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they pretty much said that that's you know, that was

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a big thing as a Ranger frame, We're going to

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have our own kind of young gun. Not to steal up,

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you know, but a guy that can you know, light

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the lamp and be exciting to watch and and he's

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you know, he had the last year sort of made

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strides in this year's regressed again, and he's even being

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talked about traded being traded and I don't even know

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what like his market would bring him on the trade

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market now, like you're not going to get what maybe

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once once could. And you know we had with the

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second pick, we had Capocacko, who I love, I still

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one of my favorite guys. But just you know, maybe

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it's the bright lights in New York, as they say,

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But you know, he went, we traded him to the Seattle

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and he'd be played better there than he did wearing

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the blue shirts. And you know, is there something to

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that with with playing in a big city like New York.

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Yeah, I think you see that with a lot of athletes,

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including baseball players like on Yankees and the Mets and

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all these other big teams where guys come in and

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it is a pressure cooker because not only do you

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have the fans, but you have the media in New York,

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which is relentless. You know, New York is still a

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three newspaper town. You know, some some cities don't even

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have one newspaper. New York still, you know, has three

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in the city and one on Long Island. News days

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they have four newspapers covering you, the TV stations. I mean,

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I remember the hype around La Fronier. He can never

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live up to the hype. I mean, he's a third

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line guy and whatever. But the hype was always going

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to be exceed what he can do, right, And so

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the Rangers traditionally like to pick up players, you know,

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like ten years later.

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So I always joke.

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With yeah, and the tail in his career, yogurt right, right,

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Let's say he's my guy, Like, listen, he brought us

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the course.

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But he wasn't young. He wasn't young.

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I hope we live to see it.

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No, it's true.

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And but I joke with my friend Sally, I say,

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you know, connor Bidard will be a Ranger in about

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twelve years, you know, like you know, and or McDavid

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in the last two years when nobody wants him, and

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it'll be it'll be great.

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Maybe you'll win a Cup, maybe you won't.

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I mean, we forget the ninety four Rangers were basically

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a rethread of the Oilers, A lot of them were,

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and it worked, and you know, the lining in a bottle.

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They won the Cup. It was amazing, you know, I mean,

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the Rangers celebrated a hundred years this year. You know,

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they're one of the original six teams. It's a story team,

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a story franchise. But they haven't had the best of

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luck recently, and you know, oftentimes you want to rebuild.

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I find in the NHL it's it's almost easier to

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be a newer team. Look at the Golden Knights, for example,

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or look at Tampa, or look at Florida or look.

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You know, these teams have won the Cup multiple times.

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They they're very good, they're able to start fresh. And

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then you look at like we complain as Ranger fans,

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but look at the Maple Leafs. Everyone he thinks in

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sixty seven and they have a great fan base, a great.

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Hockey culture, tory franchise right.

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Right, they have great players.

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Logo to people who aren't even hockey fans, and they'll

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probably say, like Toronto Mapley, I know there's Toronto maple right, yeah,

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go aheadah so yeah.

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So what I'm saying is the pedigree isn't enough.

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You need to bring in the right combination, the right coach,

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and maybe Toronto, like New York, there's just a lot

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of eyeballs on them, a lot of pressure and a

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lot of young guys tend to just not twilt under

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that pressure. If you're celebrining and you're in San Jose,

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well it's a different kind of market. You know, not

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everyone you know, even if everyone in San Jose cared,

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it still wouldn't be a ton of people. And so

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you have time to make mistakes and to grow. And

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so that's the advantage of those franchises have. And I

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think New York doesn't. New York, the Rangers, the Islander

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the same thing. It doesn't afford that kind of luxury,

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I think ultimately, and the players suffer, and ultimately they

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want to go somewhere else, like a medium sized mark,

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like a thinking, like a Columbus Blue Jackets, or you know,

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a Nashville Predators or Carolina Hurricanes. Those are places you

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can kind of build a team over time. It can

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take ten years. People in New York don't have that

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kind of patience, even though New York has one.

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and you know it's you don't realize, like that ninety

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four Cup, it's since thirty two years ago. That's crazy

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to me. And if you would have told me in

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ninety four, Clemente, I was twenty two when they won

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that cup. Poured, you know, watched that game with some friends,

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poured beer all over each other like we were players ourselves.

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If you would have told me that night, right, you know,

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beating Vancouver Messier, you know, holding that cup, if you

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would have told me that thirty two years later, we

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still wouldn't have won another one, since I would have

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been I would have thought you're nuts. And not only

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is that the case, but we're not even close right

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now the way we're playing, and we can make this

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a whole Rangers podcast. I'm not a big fan of

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Chris Drury the GM. You know, we mentioned players not

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panting out right, but there's a guy that drafts those

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guys and makes those trades, and you know, I don't

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think he's pushed all the right buttons. But you know

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it's scary to think, like when when you know, I'm

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in my fifties now, well, I live to see another

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Rangers Cup and we I think we get spoiled too,

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because two years ago we won the President's Trophy most

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points on the regular season. Uh, you know, we made

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a run and then I had a serious drop off

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the last a couple of years we have going through coaches.

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coaching and that sort of thing. So, you know, as

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a fellow Ranger fan, I'm sure a lot of that

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probably resonates with you as well. Yeah.

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Absolutely, Look, New York hasn't New York in general hasn't

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won a championship in quite a while. If you look

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at the Knicks, another great example, Uh, you know, our

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our our msg Cod Dwellers, they haven't won anything. You know,

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the Mets and even the Yankees, right they got the

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World Series and lost, and no one's gonna stop the

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Dodgers the last couple of years.

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we consider our big rivalries on the East Coast, right,

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they've they've enjoyed more success in football, and I mean

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look at the Giants and the Jets, I mean they've

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been terrible for years.

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I know you're a Steelers fan and you and you're

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coming off a playoff loss, and you're not gonna you.

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but we could do a whole other show.

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you know the final weekend when they beat Baltimore that

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was amazing, but all holy.

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on a miss forty yeah field, but which is a

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chip shot in today's NFL, Like, so did we earn

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it or we sort of back our way in and

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then look like, you know, when we played the Texans,

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we look like we probably shouldn't have been so yeah,

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so you know, and now we're gonna have a new coach.

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Right exactly, And then you start from scratch and you

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you know, and keep hoping. And Steelers are another storied franchise, right,

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So it's that kind of thing. I mean, look, sometimes

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championships happen when you at least expect them. I mean,

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for the Rangers to stay on that topic this season,

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it's not gonna happen. Maybe the goal is to make

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the playoffs.

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You never know what.

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And it's said to me, you mentioned like it's the

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centennial season, right, you know, they're doing all sorts of events.

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They are at the Garden, They're bringing a lot of

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the legends back. They're doing a lot of stuff with

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like first responders and police and and cert you know,

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protect and services type of thing, and and stand up

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to cancer. And we're just we just look so horrible

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on the ice, especially at home, even worse at home.

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Usually it's the opposite, right, we play better at home

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and worse on the road. We're you know, we're the

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op po sit of that, which makes no sense.

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And I hope the GM, yeah, I hope the GM.

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The management realized when they get to the trade deadline,

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then maybe they have to make some real moves, spend

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some real money, bring in some players.

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They tried this before.

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It hasn't kind of worked out, you know, in the

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last couple of years the trade deadline, they bring in

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a superstar and then it kind of doesn't work out.

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So look, anything can happen. I mean in the NHL

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is one of those leagues where there's a lot of

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parody and then you never know, an eighth seed like

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the Florida Panthers a few years back, could get to

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the stand the Cup finals, right like, you know, you

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don't need to be a number one seed.

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You won the Prisons.

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Trophy and often that's that's bad. I mean, let me

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look at the Bruins a couple of years back, they

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were gone, right, So you never know in the playoffs.

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Any system has playoffs in it, You just never know.

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You just want to get in the playoffs and then

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see what happens and maybe you get hot. You need

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a hot goaltender, and Chester has a great goaltender.

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I mean, that's the.

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We're sort of like wasting that, you know what I mean.

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I almost feel like that window gets every season we

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don't win a cup with him between the pipes, right

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is that window gets gets tighter, and plus you know,

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it's gotta be frustrating for him. He's standing on his head,

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playing out of his mind and we're losing two to

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one or three to two, score because we can't score,

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you know. So like I could see him at some

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point going, you know, his agent, going to Dury whoever

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might be the GM, and say, get my guy out

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of here, like you know, let's you know, let's segue

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in a little bit. Talk about a guy you mentioned

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Clement and Conor McDavid. You know what I mean, He's

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he's probably the best player in in hockey. He doesn't

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have a Stanley Cupp and he's been the two and

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they ran in the Florida both times. Right, he's the

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best player on the ice, but he didn't win the cup.

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He didn't play bad. But we can make an argument

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this goaltender. You know, not the not to put point

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the fringer at one guy, but Skinner, you not play

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well in both of those Stanley Cupp. I always tell

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my Ranger friends, if not that I want Shasterkin to

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be there. But if Shatkin was on the Oilers and

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those two Cups, I know they probably want at least

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one of them, if not both, they at least split

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one of those series, if not both, and there would

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be a much better team overall. And as much as

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would hurt like to trade him, but you know, as

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a fan of guy's doing everything in his power, I

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know he's hurt at the moment, but like you root

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for guys like that. If it's a choice where he

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wastes away on the Rangers, it never gets to hoist

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the Stanley Cup. I could be selfish as a fan

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and say yeah, that's fine by me, or I could say, hey,

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we could trade him to Edmonton, maybe get some draft picks.

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And a couple of young players and reload and rebuild

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and he gets to, you know, get a ring there.

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I'm not you know, maybe that's not the worst thing

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in the world for all parties, you know, but it's

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it's so hard to say. Obviously, I on the one

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hoist the cup wearing you know, red white and blue jersey,

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you know, ideally in Madison for Garden. But like you said,

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it's just you can be the best team in the

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President Cup President Trophy winner. It doesn't mean you're just

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gonna skate out there and they're gonna give you the game.

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You got to. You gotta still win the game.

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Let's go.

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You are listening to the Sports Card Nation podcast, and you.

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Know, speaking of McDavid, kind of I went off on

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a tangent, brought it back to the ring. Speaking of McDavid,

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there's a guy's who's no one really will argue he's

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the current best player in the game, doesn't have a cup,

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got close if he never wins, you know, when his

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career said none, he never wins the cup, how much

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will how differently will fans and hobbyists look at him

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or not that will he sort of be the exception to.

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The yet generally I'm a big believer that you need

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to win a championship, but I think in McDavid's case,

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he could become the exception. And that's because the numbers

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he puts up just as an individual or staggering, and

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the hobby has responded to that. I mean, look at

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all of mcdi, David Rookie years, the young guns, you know,

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even though it's been just tons of them and they've

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been graded in the thousands, they still command the premium.

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His other rookie cards, do his his, you know, autographs,

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I mean everything McDavid is valuable, worth a lot. It's

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when I go to the exponent in Toronto, generally go

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every fall. Other than Gretzky, he's the one you see everywhere.

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Him and Crosby and so those are the constants. So yeah,

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Crosby want a cup. I bet you want a cup.

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You know, the thing with McDavid would be interesting if

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Cannon were to win let's say a gold medal, right,

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then it could be because the the other it's an exception,

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but the it had it has happened where being really good,

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putting up great numbers and winning an Olympic gold medal

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will get you into the Hall of Fame, because it's

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not the NHL Hall of Fame, it's the Hockey Hall

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of Fame. And so Henry Lundquist, for example, did those things.

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He never won a Cup in New York. If anyone

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deserved the cup, it was Lungquist, right, he didn't win

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a cup. You want a gold medal? With Sweden, he

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put up great numbers, and he was a shoe in

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for the Hall of Fame, so there's no way McDavid

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isn't a shoe and given the numbers.

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Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer. He's a cup or

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no Cup. He's right, he's definitely.

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On top of that, you know.

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Yeah, he was m VP of the playoffs one year,

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the year they lost, he was m VP of the

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series even though they lost, So that doesn't happen all

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the time. So he transcends that, and so he's a

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Hall of Famer the day he retired. But I would

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love to see him win a Cup because it would

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just kind of come full circle, especially when you lose

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two of them in the championship.

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Yeah, yeah, it's funny. If the Rangers are gonna win

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the Cup, I sort of root for McDavid to get

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that first one. But because by all accounts, he's a

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decent guy. He's not a big show voter or trash talker.

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Just kind of plays, you know, does his talking with

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his play. Just an incredible player when watching him, and

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I don't watch a ton of them, being he's on

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the West Coast, but I see enough of them. You

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don't have to watch much to realize just how much

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better he is than then most a lot of the

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players in the league. Who do you think, you know,

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we got Crosby and a Vechkin, two of the greatest

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ever to lace them up. They're on there, you know,

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the back nine, if you will, of the careers, who's

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you know, if I asked you, Clement in your opinion,

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McDavid right now is the best player in hockey. But

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if you took out Crosby and a Vetkin out of

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the equation, who's who's the next guy?

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I think it's Austin Matthews. Austin Matthews, I think is

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that next guy. But again, you know, he's an American,

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he's playing in Toronto.

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You know, is he gonna win a cup? He needs

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to put up individual numbers.

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Whenever you look at who's breaking records, it's still McDavid,

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it's still a Vechkin, it's still Sidney Crosby, because because

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of longevity, they've been playing for so long. So when

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you play for a long time, you put up numbers,

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just as it's a matter of you know, and to

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play twenty years is staggering considering hockey is a contact sport.

470
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.480
I mean you know, guys playing ten If you have

471
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.640
a ten year NHL career, that's considered amazing. It's like

472
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.480
the NFL when you're playing twenty twenty five years. The

473
00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.319
curious thing is, will something happened with McDavid? Will he

474
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:02.599
go to a different team? Will he finish his career

475
00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:03.400
with the Oilers?

476
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:03.799
He may not.

477
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.519
If he doesn't win a Cup there, he may want

478
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.000
to go somewhere else. And there was a little talk

479
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.039
this year. Last year, I should say, it was a

480
00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:13.079
contract dispute and people were rumors about is he going

481
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.039
to leave? And then of course he stayed. But I

482
00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.279
think Alston Matthews is that guy. And then after that

483
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.799
I have to say it is it is kind of badard.

484
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.759
At least that's the promise, the hope. He's had a

485
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:23.200
couple of.

486
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.559
You know, he won Rookie of the Year, he won

487
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:25.079
the Calder.

488
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.599
Last year was okay, but again, he's on a franchise

489
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:32.200
the Blackhawks, where they've been rebuilding mode for quite a

490
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.759
while now, and at some point either they really rebuild

491
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:37.519
or he's going to be a free agent, is going

492
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:38.759
to want to leave and say, you know, I want

493
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.160
to go on a team that doesn't need you know,

494
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:43.559
eight nine parts, just needs one or two because I

495
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.680
want to win a cup, you know. And so the

496
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.559
great thing about thea Dard is he puts up numbers

497
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:48.839
because he gets a lot of ice time.

498
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.039
He plays a lot.

499
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:52.680
But I remember I went to see him play at

500
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.880
the Garden his rookie year, and I also interviewed Connor

501
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:58.519
for Dard a couple of years ago at the Rookie

502
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:01.720
showcase that the NHL has every year in Washington before

503
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.480
the season starts. And he's a fairly small guy, and

504
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.079
so the hope is you got to put some muscle

505
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:08.880
and meet on this guy. He's only been in the

506
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.279
league two three years and hopefully he can come into

507
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.160
his own. But the way Badard plays is pretty amazing.

508
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.240
I mean, his shah, his speed, he's the complete deal.

509
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.519
Like he's gotten a lot of hype, both hobby hype

510
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.240
and hype in general. But I think it's deserved and

511
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.880
I think Celebrini after him.

512
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.400
It's funny you mentioned him because I was about to

513
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:32.480
ask you they they're sort of compared to each other. Now, Yes,

514
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:37.200
similar ages, similar situations with young teams. They have a

515
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.519
bunch of like high picks, even after they were high

516
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:45.319
picked themselves. And I've had this discussion with other hockey fans,

517
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.119
like you know, some will say, kind of, Bernard is

518
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:52.240
better than Celebrini, and then someone else will say Celebrini

519
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.000
is better than Bernard, like, kind of, where do you

520
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.680
and here's my thing? You don't even they're both can

521
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:01.200
be They're both very good players, and they both have

522
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:03.519
a chance to be great players. I don't know why

523
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.480
we have to have this debate, especially this early in

524
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.799
their careers as well, but kind of what's your take

525
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.960
when you look at both of these guys in similar circumstances.

526
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.039
Yes, so Badar has a couple of years on him

527
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.400
in the league, so that's helpful. But you're right, the

528
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.960
circumstances are very similar. There are number one picks coming

529
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.640
on teams that already had bad seasons and other young

530
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.359
players and other young picks, so scenario similar. I do

531
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.839
think that people that say that celebring is better than

532
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:35.079
Badard they do that to provoke Bodard fans, and there's

533
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:36.839
a lot of them out there, because if you go

534
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.359
to a card show, you go to a game, there's

535
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.119
a lot of people with the dar jerseys. Because as

536
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:42.880
soon as he came into the league. I think the

537
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:44.839
league was like, we got to market this guy. Because

538
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:46.720
the NHL needs all the marketing help they can get.

539
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:48.799
It's still the number four sport in North America, maybe

540
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.480
even number five or six if you consider soccer and

541
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.079
MMA and auto racing and all that other stuff.

542
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.440
So the NHL has to gravitate and.

543
00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.000
Make superstars out of young players. And the big comparison

544
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.720
is Sidney Crosby. He does play a lot like Crosby,

545
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.200
So in that sense, I do think that the Dart

546
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:06.160
is a little bit better.

547
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:07.000
It doesn't mean that.

548
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.200
Celebrini doesn't, you know, blow up and San Jose gets

549
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.839
really good and they win a Cup or something, then

550
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.359
that helps. I mean it helps to have that, you know,

551
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.079
championship energy around you. But right now I think they're

552
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.359
about e and so we'll see if the black Hawks

553
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.359
or San Jose which team does better. If the or

554
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.160
if they eventually leave those franchises and go somewhere else,

555
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.400
I can see that happening. I mean there's nothing that

556
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.920
says but Dard has to be in Chicago the rest

557
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:35.079
of his life, and same for Celebrini, So we'll see

558
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:36.880
see when their contracts are up.

559
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.279
It's a couple of years from.

560
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.839
Listen, maybe maybe we'll be cheering. Maybe we'll be cheering

561
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.079
them on and wearing Ranger jersey.

562
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.119
You never you never know.

563
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.200
If you talk about hobby hype, the hobby, the hype

564
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.079
around Badard, I've never seen anything like that, So we haven't.

565
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.480
I haven't been on the show and quite a while,

566
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.880
as you mentioned, And in that entire time I was

567
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.400
not on the show, there was Bodard menia all over

568
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.359
the place. I mean, to the point where I've never seen.

569
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.119
I mean, the prices of his Young Guns card one

570
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.440
of twelve hundred dollars, like the first week it came out,

571
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.079
which is ridiculous because now it's setted out it's about

572
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.720
three hundred dollars, which is partly where it should have

573
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.559
been from day one. But what I'm saying is people

574
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.319
that never collected hockey, never cared about hockey players. They

575
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.359
know who Badard is, and they know Vechkin, and they

576
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.519
know you know McDavid, and they know Sidney Crossby.

577
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:23.240
But that's all they know.

578
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.079
And they know Badard is in that pantheon, whether it's

579
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.599
deserved or not, whether or not that physics out we'll see.

580
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.799
But people still want the dark cards. I mean they

581
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.119
still care. And maybe because the Nationals in Chicago a lot.

582
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:36.880
There's a lot of Badard menia, you know, in Chicago,

583
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.279
and there is it the Expo generally, and you can

584
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.400
tell if people, you know, people are holding onto Badara

585
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.000
because he kind of cooled off last year and people

586
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:46.200
are like, you know what, I'm not going to sell

587
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:47.640
Badard because it's too low.

588
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:48.839
I'm going to hang on to him.

589
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.240
Hope he has a great season, puts a you know,

590
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.319
eighty ninety hundred points and then I'm going to put

591
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.720
it back in my showcase and charge top dollar for

592
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.720
his rookie year cards. And people are going to gravitate

593
00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.119
to them. So if you go to shows and you

594
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.039
don't see badardspeak as people are hanging on to them,

595
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.319
they're like, you know what, he's low now, I can't

596
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:03.799
put him out.

597
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.160
And so there's the speculation on him.

598
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.759
Even though it's three years. People are still playing this

599
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:10.039
game with the Dard is what I'm saying.

600
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.240
Yeah, well, one more question hockey, and we're getting into

601
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.319
some soccer here with the World Cup approach, and I

602
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.799
know you write, you write some about this so you

603
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.720
may have covered this in an article, but you know,

604
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.839
obviously badard stuff isn't cheap, even though it's it's got room,

605
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:32.079
the ceilings not necessarily reached. If someone asks you, like, hey,

606
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.599
what young player is just way too undervalued? I should

607
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.039
probably buy some put some away, maybe the answer is

608
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:44.039
badar or is there someone else in your opinion, like

609
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.119
for what like for what he's eventually gonna in your again,

610
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.880
in your opinion, what he's going to be as a player,

611
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.079
Like his cards are way too cheap, and I don't

612
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.799
want to ruin it if you're doing that, but like, hey,

613
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.519
this is a guy I would like buy and just

614
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:01.480
forget that I bought it and put it in a

615
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:05.079
box and see what happens. Who who kind of checks

616
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:06.440
that box in your mind?

617
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:10.359
Yes, So there's Matt Vey, Mitchkoff of the Flyers. He

618
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.359
was hot when he first came out, but then didn't

619
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.480
do a whole lot, so he's he's kind of cooled off.

620
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.640
And Phil Duff is a good hockey market, but it's

621
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.599
not the kind of thing that's national. So I think

622
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.319
Mitchkoff is one of those players should celebrity have a

623
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.400
great year and the Sharks have a great year, then

624
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:29.000
I think Will Smith, well, we'll also naturally grow because

625
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.400
he's on a team. A young guy too, who I think,

626
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.440
you know, is undervalid at the moment. You know, players

627
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.440
like Lane Hudson, for example, maybe overvalued. There's a lot

628
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.839
of speculation on him. He's not having a great season,

629
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.359
so you know, he reminds me a little bit of

630
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.440
you know, Adam Fox of the Rangers, super hot coming

631
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.359
out of the gate a couple of years in it's

632
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.559
like cool off time. So who knows someone like Lane Hudson,

633
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.720
you know, it doesn't help. You know, we talk about

634
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.000
in football cards. Everyone wants to collect quarterbacks. Nobody really

635
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.599
wants to speculate on rookies with defense, not really, or goaltenders.

636
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.200
People want they want guys to score goals, right, So

637
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.960
it doesn't help when you know Mikail mccarr wins, you know,

638
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.160
wins Stanley Cup or wins a Rookie of the Year something,

639
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.599
people are like, oh, or Leane Hudson or Adam Fox

640
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.480
or these kind of players. You know, so I would say,

641
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.440
don't speculate on these guys because their value will go

642
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.119
up and down super quick. You know, Mitch koff is

643
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.720
a is a forward. You're gonna score goals, so you

644
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.720
want someone like that. And Will Smith the same thing forward.

645
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.920
He can score goals and he pairs really nicely with

646
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.599
celebrities sometimes, and so those are the kind of players

647
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:32.640
I'm looking at.

648
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.240
But then there is other players.

649
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.480
That you know could emerge because you know, hockey's a

650
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.519
little different than the other sports. You got guys coming

651
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.880
in from Europe, from Sweden, Finland and Germany and all

652
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.599
over the place, and guys pop up all all of

653
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.920
a sudden, and then you have now this this kind

654
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.559
of growing trend where a lot of these guys who

655
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.119
played junior hockey in Canada are like, why should I

656
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.680
play AHL and make six hundred dollars a game when

657
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.480
I can go play college hockey and do an nil

658
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.400
dealer some And so college hockey might get better as

659
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.920
a result of it. And college hockey's okay, and a

660
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.079
lot of decent Americans come out of there, but college

661
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.519
hockey could get better because players want to make some

662
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:11.480
real money and want to get some real deals, and

663
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.440
then they can jump and get drafted. So you know,

664
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.319
it's interesting. I mean, you kind of have to, you know,

665
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.759
but generally the hobby gravitates towards the superstars. We're established,

666
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.400
we know this, and so what always bothers me is

667
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.480
that there's always two or three guys everyone wants, and

668
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.680
then everyone else's values are not good.

669
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.400
Like a Jack Keel, this guy's value should be great.

670
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.839
He played in Buffalo, Okay, he played for a team

671
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.240
that was, you know, in a bad market, having a

672
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.400
good year now, but okay, he goes to the Vegas

673
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.079
they win the st Only Cup. It doesn't matter. No

674
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.319
one's a jack icle player collector. No one's looking for

675
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.119
Jack Eikeel, you know, or Austin Matthews, same thing. Maybe

676
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.359
because he's an American playing in Toronto. Okay, in Toronto

677
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.759
he's hot. Everywhere else not so much. That always bothers

678
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.960
me that there aren't there's room in the hobby for

679
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.359
more than dred Ski, McDavid or Etchkin Crosby.

680
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.920
That's really it. And then maybe Badarah and.

681
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.480
That's it, and nobody. I mean, you know you're a dealer,

682
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.160
you know you wear many hats.

683
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:09.599
Yeah, people if.

684
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.480
They ask you about hockey and they're not really hockey guys,

685
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:13.079
they'll ask.

686
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:14.920
You for three. You probably get the same do you

687
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:16.839
have any badar, Do you have any Rekin, you have any.

688
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.359
Big David or Gretzky. It's four guys, so that's always troublesome.

689
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.440
So to me, it's like it's like basketball, you know,

690
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.720
like it's like Jordan and Lebron and Kobe.

691
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.119
He's been, he's been, he's been tired for it.

692
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:31.720
And I get that. I'm not trying to.

693
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.200
Get it, But but think about think about Yeah, I

694
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.640
think about I mean, you know, I think I think

695
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.400
the idea is is collectors should definitely stretch what they collect,

696
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.640
what they want. And I understand not every card could

697
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.240
have the values those cards have because it just isn't

698
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.119
enough money in the hobby potentially for people to want

699
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:51.319
all that, and then if someone.

700
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:52.319
Wins the cup, it goes up.

701
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.440
But what I generally try to do is say, you

702
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.039
know what Opeach's coming out and they have marque Rookies,

703
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.359
I'm gonna try to collect the whole set or the

704
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.799
whole Marquee rookie set, just so I have the rookies

705
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:07.000
of that year, because you just never know how got

706
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.360
go from a dollar box could go into the showcase.

707
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.159
And it's happened a couple of years back with the

708
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.800
goaltender Jordan Bidnington, right, he was like a dollar.

709
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.920
His rookie, his young Gun's card was like a dollar.

710
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.239
Then they won the Stanley Cup and it was like

711
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.880
sixty bucks, eighty bucks, and now it's back to Pubbly

712
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:23.280
a dollar.

713
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.519
But you know what I mean, Like you know, so

714
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.639
it's a wild swing.

715
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.400
So if you're in it, if you're in it just

716
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.400
to collect, like I am, then it doesn't matter. I

717
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.440
don't care if it's worth a dollar or eight hundred dollars.

718
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.000
I want that card. I like that player. I care

719
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:37.840
about it. If you're looking to buy and sell, then

720
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.719
you have to make these moves quick. And so that's

721
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.199
you know, those are a couple of names.

722
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.159
I look at. But you know, I've got to the

723
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:44.639
Rookie showcase. Last couple of years.

724
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.800
I write about it first Force Collector's Digested, and that

725
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.559
way we're colleagues because we both write for the same magazine.

726
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.360
And it's always fun to see these players up close.

727
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.719
And you know, I mean Tom Brady a couple of

728
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.519
years ago at a fanatics fest, the first one, and

729
00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.599
I was there for the first one.

730
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:00.519
Hea said.

731
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.320
Any athlete, even if they're not that good. If they're

732
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.599
playing professional, they're in the one percent of the one percent.

733
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:07.320
Oh yeah.

734
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.360
And when I see these guys on the ice, I'm like,

735
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.119
maybe he's rookie. Some of them won't make it, but

736
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.639
these guys are amazing, and I think we lose sight

737
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.480
of that because we're so starstruck by the three forty

738
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:17.440
five guys.

739
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.159
Everyone's looking for Mount Rushmore.

740
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.039
But you know, there's a lot of players out there

741
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:22.639
to look at, and I'm getting it.

742
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.599
Well, it's a Mount Rushmore because it's you can only

743
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.760
get three or four guys. Yeah there. It doesn't mean

744
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.079
they're the only ones that are good, but it's it's

745
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.840
a great point by you, Clemente, right, Like you know,

746
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.599
everyone that's playing for Freshion sports, it's not easy to do.

747
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.159
Like you said, it's probably less than quite frankly, it's

748
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.880
less than one percent. That's just how you have to

749
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.679
round up to the one percent. So it's a full number,

750
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:49.440
but it's it's crazy, right, And especially hockey too. Like football,

751
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.760
it's a pretty heavy contact sport. So you know, one

752
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.000
bad injury can can end it, potentially end the career

753
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.280
or or change your career. Even we've players who've gotten

754
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.559
hurt and they've come back, but maybe they're not quite

755
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.840
the same player they were even before before the It

756
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.960
happens in other sports, uh uh as well. So but

757
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.960
I I just to me, I'll close with this and

758
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.000
then we're gonna definitely get into soccer here. I've you know,

759
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.519
I've watched hockey for like I said, forty years, like

760
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.679
legitimately where I know what I'm watching, and it just

761
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.840
seems like the last few years, I've never seen this

762
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.679
much young talent across the board, like in the league

763
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.800
on almost everything, right, even even the team that may

764
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:41.880
be not playing well standings wise, they have like a

765
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.400
budding I'll say it like that, a budding potential superstar

766
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.000
that's playing pretty well. And you know you mentioned Bennington

767
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.719
going from the bargain box to out out of the

768
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.719
bargain box. We got a guy we've already spoke about,

769
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.039
right when when for their first hit, right and stuff

770
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.480
was going for three hundred bucks as young guns, right, Yeah,

771
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:08.320
we both know that's not even close anymore. And if

772
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.199
things don't change, and I hope they do because he's

773
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.119
a ranger at the moment and I want him to

774
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.800
play well. But if things don't change. You get that

775
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.719
thing for five to ten bucks at some point. If

776
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.280
that happens, that's crazy to think where that card once

777
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.639
was in the hobby space to where where it might

778
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.079
wind up if he don't trend in a positive direction.

779
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.280
But you pointed that out right, things can go. It's

780
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.199
a two way street. Things can go one way or

781
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.800
back the other way, or and sometimes it happens to

782
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.719
the same player, right, and you know, so I'm hoping that,

783
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.239
you know, I get jealous too, and I you know,

784
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.920
the Islanders get the number one pick and they pick

785
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.400
Schaefer and he looks like the real deal, and I'm like,

786
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.119
why can't you know, why couldn't we hit with a pick?

787
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:00.719
You know? And it's it's frustrating sometimes, but I'm not

788
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.199
gonna change. I'm always being a Ranger fan to ticket.

789
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.719
Then I'm just hoping it's not another thirty two, you know,

790
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.960
or a fifty year wait from from when we wanted

791
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.280
from ninety four to the time before that. But I

792
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.239
won't be around if it's fifty years anyway, So all right,

793
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.320
that's gonna do it. For the first half of our

794
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.920
conversation with Clemente Leci, we talked some hockey today. But

795
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.000
this dude, and he'll tell you himself, he's more of

796
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.559
a soccer guy than the hockey guy, although he doesn't

797
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:37.760
fall short in hockey, but he is a vast bastion

798
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.199
of knowledge of soccer. And guess what. Next week We're

799
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.960
gonna cover the World Cup, soccer, the soccer market, the

800
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.320
soccer hobby in detail. And he breaks it down and

801
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.599
gives us the straight scoop. And you know, I don't

802
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.400
care how big of it or not big of a

803
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:03.000
soccer fan, will Mende talk soccer. It's definitely very interesting

804
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.760
And I'm self professed not a huge soccer fan, although

805
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.360
I do enjoy the World Cup when it's in play.

806
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:16.440
But he definitely keeps the conversation interesting. So come back

807
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.719
here next week and hear Clemente break down the World Cup,

808
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.079
the soccer hobby and everything surrounding it.

809
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.119
Time for our hobby is the People Announcer of the week.

810
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.960
This is Mike Summer from the Waxpack Hero Sportscard Minute.

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Don't forget the hobby is the people.

812
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:40.639
If you'd like to be the hobby is the People

813
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.800
Announcer of the Week. To A one four MP three

814
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file and send it to Sportscard Nation PC at gmail

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00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:48.719
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