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Sports Guard Nations, Hobbies, the People, weely News and Interviews.
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It's your number one soul Sportscarnations Hobbies, the People, Sports Guardation.
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What is up? Everyone? Welcome to episode four oh two
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of sportscard Nation. As always, glad to be in your
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audio device, and thank you for giving your time and
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your attention to the show. Let's up. You know, we
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just celebrated our four hundredth episode a few weeks ago.
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We did a giveaway. We randomized everyone who entered, and
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we we've picked our winners. So I'm not gonna give
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last names because I don't know if those folks want
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those last names given. But I'll give first names and
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you know, announce the winners if you will. Winning card packages,
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which are an assortment of cards graded raw and whatnot.
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We have two winners in those categories, Drake and Richard
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winning the upper deck wax Box, you know, sealed wax
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box of sports their sports release Debbie. Congrats to Debbie.
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Winners of a smaller wax box I think Tops two
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six from two thousand and one and some cards in
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a slab Guard Travis and our two winners of the
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one year memberships two card Ladder, our great sponsor, Jason
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and Darryl. So there are your six winners by first
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name only. If they want to publicly announce that they
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won that, I'll leave that up to them. But those
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are the six winners. And thanks to everybody who entered.
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I wish I could give away something, uh for everybody. Unfortunately, uh,
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you know, we're limited with what we can give away,
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but we you know, we have six winners, So congrats
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to them. Want to acknowledge our sponsors as gc Iron
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Sports Cards, Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby Hotline, Upper Deck Card Ladder,
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and a Certified Trading Card Association. All right, so this
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is part two of our conversation with Iowa Dave Schwartz
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of The Shallow End and another podcast, and we're gonna
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dive deeper more into like some of the you know,
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the the things you like about podcasting, things you don't
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when you know it's time, all that, all that good stuff.
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So Dave's a great guy. He is still on the
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podcast airwaves, so by all means, check out his content
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and glad to call him a friend. And again this
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is part two with Dave.
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Attention Sports Cardination viewers, what up kids? Your boy Scott.
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Hansen from NFL Red Zone. Ah, We're back. Ball is back.
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The hobby never.
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Ends, and before you know it, I'm gonna be on
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your screen again, rocking that octobox, knocking the bottom out
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of the Witching Hour and announcing seven hours of Red
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Zone football. But as you watch Red Zone, just save
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some time Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday to check
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out John and Sports cardination.
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Let's have a great season. People like I don't. I
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don't do anything with like Pokemon and magic together, right,
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But that's as you just pointed out, that is a
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huge part of the hobby. Whether you like whether John
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Newman likes it or not or Dave Schwartz likes it
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or not, it's not going away and it's here to stay.
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And that's fine. I mean, that's great. You know, I've
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heard people say though it's fun. You know, it's a
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good segue to this question. Is I've heard, you know,
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people say, like show should be like all sports or
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all Pokemon. They should have much like you say, well,
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like grating should have like a one building just great Pokemon.
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But like you say, that's sort of you know, where
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does that stop? Everyone's gonna want their own building, if
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you will, and even here locally and I know nationally,
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Like that's an undertone is like there should be all
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an all Pokemon show only and no sports and there
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should be a sports card show only and no poke.
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And you know, someone asked me, like, what do you think,
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John when when you hear that stuff? And I just,
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as someone who doesn't do poke, man, like, it's not
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gonna hurt my feelings to either set up in a
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show at a dealer or tend as a customer and
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have it be all sports card. I'm being you know,
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transparent there. But I also don't want to be the guy.
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You know, Jackie Robinson's my idol, right he broke the
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as we all know. I don't have to tell the
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story of Jackie Robinson, So I don't want to, you know,
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thinking about segmenting the hobby like that is sort of
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going against sort of what he stands for. Like where
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we can't all like live together and coexist together. We
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all have to be in separate leagues, if you will.
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So I sort of wrestle with that, and and I
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guess my answer that to my own question for me,
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Dave is like if it's accepted and no one's gonna
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be really that upset about it. Then you know, we
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have a show here in the Syracuse area that's called
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Pokey Fest, and it's that's all it is is is
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trading card games. You won't see sports cards there, So
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it's not like it's not happening already. And I'm sure
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if it's happening here in Syracuse, I imagine there are
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other TCG events. So I'm you know, I just I'm
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against anything that sort of makes anyone feel alienated. But
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I also, you know, as someone who just does sports cards,
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it wouldn't hurt you know, going to just a sports show,
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you know, kind of your feelings with that sort of
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sort of segmenting the hobby on the show level.
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It is kind of the way I diverged from my
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thoughts on grading. It's a little bit different for the show,
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go to a show what it means. So you know,
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I don't I don't mind PSA or Beckett or CGC
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or tag grading TCG and sports because that's what they
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do for their living and that's great, But part of
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me does kind of wish the shows were separated because
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they're really different hobbies. You know, you wouldn't have like
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the golf and knitting expo, right, you wouldn't put those together.
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Those are separate hobbies. Some people like to knit, some
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people like to play golf, TCG and sports. I know
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there are people who collect both, but they're inherently different.
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And I'm just really bummed when I go to a
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show and it's fifty sixty seventy percent Pokemon, and like
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other people have said, I love that there's a hobby
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for people who collect it, but this was billed as
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a sports card show, and instead I do a walk
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through for fifteen minutes and leave because there's nothing really relevant.
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And you know, this is not my business. I don't
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I'm not a showrunner, but it strikes me that there
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might be opportunities to increase revenue by having separate shows
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where maybe on you know, on Thursday and Saturday it's TCG,
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and Friday and Sunday it's sports. I don't know how
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they do it, but do something or or one weekend
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is the sports card show, the next weekend is TCG.
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Why not?
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Because while there are people who cross over, especially younger
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people who cross over between the two, and it's convenient
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for them to be at a show where there's both.
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It's it makes it harder to enjoy. Enjoys the wrong word.
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It makes it harder to navigate the experience. On the
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smaller show end. The national is not a problem, it's
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almost all sports, but on the smaller type shows, the
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more regional ones, it makes it harder to navigate to
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uh and less worthwhile to go when when you've got
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to drive an hour or three hours to get somewhere
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and it's only one third of what you're actually looking for.
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I fi almost feel like it's like like misled in
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a way, or it's like some sort of a bait
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and switch, Like you got my ten bucks to walk
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in here, but I might as well I just should
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have gone and gotten a big Mac with that instead,
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you know, because the lease then I would have gotten
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something out of it. So yeah, I am. Actually I'm
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for somehow separating the hobbies at the show level. I
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just don't know how to do that.
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Yeah, well it's funny you say like that because I
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was doing a show and I won't mention it. If
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someone want to do to research, they follow me to
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play detective. Figured out I was doing a show about
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an hour north of Syracuse here as a dealer. And
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when I first started doing the show, like three years ago,
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it was heavy, you know, heavy sports card vintage modern,
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ultra modern. And then it started to change over the
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Pokemon and so I was doing very well. And not
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that it's about dollar signs only, right, but when you're
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traveling an hour to and from a show as a
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dealer and unpacked, bringing everything in, bringing everything out, what
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slowly happened with that show, Dave is like, much like
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you said, it became sort of it gradually became over
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a Pokemon show, and I sort of became like the
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dinosaur just hanging on and not not just me. I
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don't want to make it like it's all about me,
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but it became almost like sixty percent Pokemon, maybe even
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seventy percent, and then twenty thirty percent you know, sports cards,
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and because of that, people will collect the sports card
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like it makes sense, right, I don't blame much like
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you said, people who collected sports card came would come
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there like there, you know, there's sixty tables, but only
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like twenty of them are or less are sports cards,
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And at first I think it actually helped because there
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was less competition because I had four. But then those
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people stopped coming right much like you said, because they
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were paying five bucks to get in, and in fifteen
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twenty minutes they saw all the sports card table and
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maybe they bought something, maybe they didn't, but they were
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they saw everything, and they were done. And like, we
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have a show here in Syracuse that's a much bigger
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show under twenty tables. That's so a lot of them
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will just say, hey, I'll just wait for that one.
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And so a lot of that traffic, at least on
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the sports card side of the house started to drop off.
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I track all my sales and stuff, and I slowly
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saw that show for me dwindle down. And I'm like, like,
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I don't really want to drive an hour their back,
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do all the grind that you do as a dealer, unpacking,
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unloading and all that. I'm like, it's not even making
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a lot sense for me anymore. So I want you,
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like phasing that show out.
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Go Aheadah, you know it's interesting. I just this just
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hit me as you were talking. I remember a couple
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of years ago. I did this for sure. I go
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to a show and I would come back and complain
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it like, oh, it's nothing abou modern football quarterbacks and
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first woman chrome baseball, And then well it's not that anymore.
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Right now now it's Pokemon. I got what I wanted, right,
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I complained about there not being exactly what I wanted.
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Some maybe that's as part of the hobby, right, just
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like we want it to be exactly what we want.
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I want there to be a show where it's three
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other tables of nothing but eighteen ninety eight through twenty
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eleven baseball cards, because if it's anything before that, it's
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junk wax. And if there's anything after that, it's ultra modern.
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You know.
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I like that. So it's, uh, it is funny. It
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just struck me about that. I was complaining about too
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many young quarterbacks and too many first woman chrome prospects
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that shows, and I would kill the have of that back.
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Now. Yeah, it's funny how that that happens. And here's
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the thing, it's it's it's already happening, Dave. Right, we
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have the Strongsville Show in Strongsville, Ohio, which is all
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vintage so if you're a vintage guy, I've never been there.
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I've been asked. You know, you gotta go, John, you
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got to go. It's on my like at some point
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I do have to get to it at least once.
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I'm to check it out. And I know it's in
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a different location and bigger now, So it's not unprecedented, Dave, Like,
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that's we we have. We do have shows where they
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sort of focus on one area of the hobby. I
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guess if it's done sort of the right way, I
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guess that's the the you know, the real bottom line, right,
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and and you know what it is going in there's
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no sort of you don't feel like doup right, anyone
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that's going to Strongsville, know what, know what show they're
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going to. You know, no one's walking into Strongsville and
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saying where do all the Wemby cards? You know what
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I mean? So, and and I'm not I don't mean
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this in the mean way. But if that happens, someone
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just didn't do their research prior to attending the show,
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right to be frank, right, So I guess if it's
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done sort of above board in the right way, I
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guess I'm good with that. I just don't want to
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feel I don't want anyone to feel like alienated or
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excluded where it's not sort of known up, you know
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what I mean. As long as it's done, everyone knows
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what this show is or what that show I'm all for,
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and I don't think there's anything if it's done like that,
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I think that's the way to do it. There's no misconceptions.
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Everyone knows what what what the show entails. And just
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like the Pokefest I talked about here in Syracuse, which
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is at the same location of the New York State
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Fairgrounds as the Collectors Fest, which is sports cards, So
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one's a sports card show, ones a Pokemon and trading
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card games. And you know, I did set up the
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promoter asked me to set up one day there with
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you know, doing the SGC Folk subs, and it was
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it was interesting. I enjoyed watching the people because they're
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coming in like cosplay outfits. Some of them were really good.
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And I actually was set up a US from at
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that particular show from Sergeant Slaughter and that he was
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fun to watch interact with people, and so uh yeah,
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at one point he stared me down, which I thought
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on a quiet moment in the show he kind of
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just mean mugged me and then smiled. So I thought
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that was that was pretty funny. But so like I guess,
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as long as it's done sort of you know, where
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there's no misperceptions, no one's being sold one bill of
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goods and getting something else, I think that's I don't
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think there's anything wrong wrong with that.
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Yeah, you know, as long as everyone has their thing,
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that's that's all that's important. As long as things are
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ethical and people have what makes them happy, that's the
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most important thing.
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Yep, yep, nope, I agree, all right. So you know,
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one thing I wanted to get your take on this.
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One thing I've noticed, even probably recently. When I say recently,
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i'd say probably in the last three to five years,
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is you know, when I started this podcast in twenty eighteen,
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I'm like the old man on the porch and uh
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uh and uh you know, I didn't have any I
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didn't know how long, Like I said earlier, I didn't
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know how to show how long the show was gonna last.
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I didn't have guests initially, I didn't have sponsorships. Initially.
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Even the sponsorship thing was sort of an accident, someone
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approached me like how do I become part of the show?
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And that and the rest is history. And you know,
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even like I just said earlier, right with, someone recognizes
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me at a show and shakes my hand or pass
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me in the bag and says, I love your show,
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Like that never gets lost on me, right Like, you know,
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I'm doing this because I collect cards and I'm passionate
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about car collecting. I started as a seven year old
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kid in nineteen seventy nine. There was no Internet in podcasts,
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right and I feel like and again I'm not you
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know without mentioning that, Like, I think there's some people
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in this space who kind of do it because they
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do feel like this celebrity factory fancy themselves as they
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almost made themselves bigger than the cards we tried to
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speak of. You know, is that something you see or
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again is this something me? Just maybe I'm making a
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mountain out of them, not necessarily.
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To help me think of I can just kind of
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give me an example, well, just.
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You know, sometimes I feel feel like someone It's more
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like I try not to even show my face a
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ton like on pro like on any type of promos,
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or I'm not saying I don't do it. I'm not
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gonna be disingened, but I really I rather show pickups.
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I know a lot of my stuff is like promote, hey,
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on this episode, join us. Dave Schwartz is my guest, right,
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so I more or less highlight who the guest is
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rather than even even myself. But I feel like in
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certain in certain circumstances, right, it's more about the host
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of the show than even the guests. That there is
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a guest or then the cards themselves. I don't know
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if they're clarifying it any better, but.
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Yeah, that that helps, thank you. And you know, just
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I mean that every industry has its p T. Barnums, right,
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the ones who had to make a phone and you'ling,
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come look at the beard lady or whatever. But it's
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their face all over the tent, right, and not there
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at their performers, and I just kind of try to
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to block it out. For the most part, I think
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I don't mind that there are people who are have
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their faces out there because for the most part they're
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just I recognize them because they put out some really
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good content, right, and I just happen to know them
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now when they when they throw their when they have
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this is a pet peeve. But when somebody is advertising
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their own show during the show, that's when I will
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start to uh tune out or turn off or I'll
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check back in with this next week. And I don't
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want to name names, but there's I'll make a show.
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The show. It's called the show. Uh uh look at
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the sort of the pretzels, So I'm I'm going to
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look think of pretzels. Hey, welcome back to the Pretzel Show.
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This is the Pretzel Show. Next week on the Pretzel Show.
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Like we know, I know I've downloaded this already, I
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know where this is. But this this guy, he just
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says that they have a show, over and over and over,
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and it's almost like he has a book on branding
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in front of him and he's like going through it
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right saying, Okay, this is how I get guests, this
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is how I build audience. Now I pretend to have
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interest in them right now, I must feel questions. Now,
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I just want after the next, after the next, And
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when it feels disingenuous, that turns out there are some
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people who are like, let's take someone who I really
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really content, I really love is Chris sewle sports card collector,
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investor dealer in that order. But he is. He's been
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around for decades, but he's really starting to boom now.
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business into its own building. It's getting larger. His face
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is everywhere, but he doesn't want it to be right.
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His face is everywhere because he's just really good at
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his job and he's a really good force for the
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hobby and so yeah, but it has to do with
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like intent and when I hear him talk, when I
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hear him talk about cards, and he talks about he
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goes on his YouTube channels. Here's the top ten most
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valuable cards from the nineteen eighties football cards. He's just
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having fun and he's just talking to people. He hasn't changed.
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He's true to who he is, and we know him
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because he's good, as opposed to knowing somebody because they
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want to be known. There's a difference.
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Yeah, No, I agree, And maybe a better way too
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that I could have described it to you, like from
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the from the start, rather than sort of being sort
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of vague. I guess if I watch somebody or listen
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to someone, whether it's audio, video and I'm really not sure,
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like do they collect cards? Are they just almost like
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a studio you know what I mean, Like, Hey, we're
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gonna hie. You know, this is a studio analyst that's
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going to talk about the base about baseball, you know,
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but they may not even love it. That's just their job.
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I don't I think there is a folks like that
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where I'm like, I don't even know if they can.
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I'm not even sure if they collect. And maybe I'm
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sort of being a little, you know, a little too
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crass there, but like if you have to like scratch
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your head and like do they collector are they? Are
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they just a talking head when you don't when it's
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that gray area where you don't know for sure, that
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that bothers me a little bit. And I know, like
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I I like to promote the guests and make it
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up more about them than me.
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You are listening to the Sportscard Nation podcast.
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Will be right back after this break.
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time to know the name CTCA, The Certified Trading Card
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a safer, smarter, and stronger hobby.
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We batch.
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I do talk a lot about what's going on the
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hobby on the corporate level. I'm not gonna you know
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you know that. I know that people will show a
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note that comes up, But I also I also try
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to have you know, people like yourself. This is a
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perfect example that are just enjoy collecting cards and following
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their passion and their teams and their players and the
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nostalgia of it. Right. So I try to balance it.
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You know. That's why I say you're better at it
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than me, because you didn't really even have to balance it.
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That's what you were all about. And I'm, you know,
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truth be told, I'm more of a sort of fifty fifty,
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or at least I feel like I am. Someone might
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agree or disagree, but that's where I try to be.
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You know. Some of it comes from some of the
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other content I do, which like Hobby Hotline would sort
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of topical based, if you will, and it's sort of
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influent whether I like it or not. I think it
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influences even my individual shows, if you will. So you know,
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even when I first started the show was it was
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just me, and then I had a guest on and
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people say, oh man, we love guests like we like you,
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but we love even when you have guests on. So
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that that became a full time thing. And then I
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got emails and DM saying John, we like you know,
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it's nice that you have guests on, but we also
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liked when you just picked a topic and gave us
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your opinion. And so that's where Hobby Quick Hits came
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to be, which was like a year and a half
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after Sports Cardnaden so I try to like cover all
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the bases as best I can. I know sometimes I'm
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probably more successful at it than others. Truth be told.
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But again that's that human element, right, I'm one thing
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I've always been is myself, Like no one will ever say, like,
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you know, I met real quick story and this happened
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I think either last year's National or the one before.
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I talked to someone for like twenty minutes that I
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had never met before. They were fan of the show.
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They tapped me on the shoulder. We talked for twenty
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minutes and after, you know, as we were winding the
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conversation down, this gentleman said to me, you're like meeting
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you in person, You're just like I hear on the podcast.
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And I kind of scratched my head and I said,
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what did you like? What did you expect? Like that's
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me on the PID me here, it's the same guy
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since I don't have a mic in front of me,
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is like.
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Yeah, And I think people can out someone who's disingenuous.
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You can tell when someone doesn't mean and there are
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there are people who have audiences of a million, people
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who are real collectors, and there are people who have,
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uh you know, are just starting out and you wonder
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what they're even doing, like what what are you? What
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are you doing here? He gets a lot of he
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gets a lot of crap. So I'm gonna say something
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positive about him for once. But you know that Jeff
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Wilson collects, right, you know, he he's he loves falcons,
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he loves his falcons, he likes the USA team cards.
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He's got it. Just because he is trying to do
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what he's doing with his businesses doesn't mean he can't
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also like it. And at the same time, there's another
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sort of high role of who I'm not gonna name,
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who just gets on and just complains about everything right
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and and it and uh that like the titles of
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his episodes are trying to be provocative and uh, you know,
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and get the clicks. And I stopped listening to him
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for about a year. His head one of his headlines
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caught me and I listened to it abou two weeks ago,
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and I stopped in about ten minutes again because it
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wasn't matching what he was saying. And then he was
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taking in some different direction. So I don't think it
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matters if you have a following of two people or
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a following of a million people, if you I think
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audiences are smart, and I think they know when somebody
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h is in. I think they know when somebody is
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in the hobby because they really enjoy it and maybe
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want to make money versus they're here to stir up
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garbage and to get clicks, which are you know, which
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are two different things. And I like that we're able
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to parse that out.
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Yeah, no, no doubt. And and and even you know,
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you mentioned Jeff and I know him a little bit.
476
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You know a lot of some of that I think
477
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you'll be with this too. Uh. Some of that comes
478
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:44.200
from jealousy, right when someone's successful, someone who maybe isn't
479
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.039
as successful sort of already dislikes him just for that,
480
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.759
just for that simple fact, like, hey, I wish I
481
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was doing that at that level, right, And I think
482
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it comes from that. I think Jeff gets a lot
483
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of hate because someone would love to be in that position,
484
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and because they're not, they're just gonna throw them out,
485
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:05.599
you know what I mean. And so it's a great point,
486
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.759
right that, you know, and so I get that, and
487
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.839
you know, I even It's funny because I did a show,
488
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.519
you know, I did a hobby quickts where I was
489
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.960
doing I did a you know, when I do show,
490
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.160
sometimes i'll do like a card show review how it went.
491
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.559
And the first one I did, dave, I actually said
492
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.359
what I made, and I got like an email from
493
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.720
someone that's like, hey, I really didn't appreciate it. I
494
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.359
was disappointed. You know, you said you made a couple
495
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thousand bucks. And I'm at the show. When I go
496
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.640
to a show, I'm I'm thankful if I have just
497
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.720
one hundred bucks, and you know, it must be nice,
498
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.319
you know, and they really and I didn't say that
499
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.880
to make that person feel that way or angry, and
500
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.640
so I respond, I say, hey, I apologize. That was
501
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.200
not my intent with me giving out a dollar amount.
502
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.240
I was just trying to be transparent. I pay sales tax,
503
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.960
so it's not like I'm hiding the income, you know.
504
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.759
But if I hurt your feelings, one hundred percent, sincerely apologize.
505
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.079
And I made a mental note to myself, like, if
506
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.200
I do a card show review again, just say it
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00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.599
was a great show. It was an okay show, It
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00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.599
was a good show, it was very without giving a
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dollar amount. I learned like sort of a less a
510
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lesson from that, if you will. And so that's what
511
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I do when I do I don't do those shows51200:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.519
that much, but when I do that, I don't give51300:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.519
out figures. I just talk about in general, had a51400:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.799
show was not great or it was great, or it51500:27:31.839 --> 00:27:35.200
was okay or very you almost like you know, different51600:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.279
grade levels. And I got like a bunch of messages51700:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.920
like from people now like hey, why didn't you give51800:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.839
out how much you made? And so you can't you know,51900:27:44.920 --> 00:27:46.960
either way, you can't win like someone's I could be.52000:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.200
And even with those I just exploit out going in52100:27:50.240 --> 00:27:52.440
long wining. I just tell them, you know, I did52200:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.599
that once and someone got their feelings hurt, which was52300:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.160
not my attention. So now I'm just not going to52400:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.559
do that because I thought to myself, if that person52500:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.279
emailed me, how many people didn't email me, that maybe52600:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.480
felt a sort of way right, And so I said,52700:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.720
I'm just not going to throw dollar signs. That's not52800:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.200
really what I'm about anyway. I mean, it's a part52900:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.759
of what my hobby, but it's not all you know,53000:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.240
doesn't define me across them. So now I've just I53100:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.759
don't give out dollar figures like that, and it's funny.53200:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.519
People will be like, how much did you make? I'm like,53300:28:26.720 --> 00:28:28.559
do you work for? And then I explained to him53400:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.519
why I don't do it, and I'll, you know, my humor,53500:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.720
I'll throw in here like do you work for the irs?53600:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.559
Don't worry, I'm reporting it. You're going to get your cut,53700:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.839
you know, and they're like, no, I don't work. I53800:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.119
just I want to know, like or you know. One53900:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.160
guy told me, hey, I'm a dealer too. I just54000:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.160
I like to know, you know, kind of compare notes.54100:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.480
And he even asked me in that email like behind this, like, hey,54200:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.960
can will you tell me in the email? You know54300:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.480
what I mean? I know you're not saying it on54400:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.119
the air, and I did, he asked nice, I said,54500:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.519
I don't you want to know how I did? Like,54600:28:59.599 --> 00:29:01.920
you know, not necessarily a secret, but I'm not going54700:29:02.000 --> 00:29:05.480
to advertise it anymore, just because you never know how54800:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.359
it might rub somebody well and in that case the54900:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.759
wrong way. And I never it took that that email55000:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.599
right to make me think about it like that, And55100:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.319
so now I just don't give out those kinds of number,55200:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.359
you know, just because I don't want someone listening to think,55300:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.759
you know, oh man like John thinks, because I don't55400:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.359
think like that. That's not how I think. I was55500:29:27.440 --> 00:29:31.000
just being pretty transparent, but I didn't realize someone was55600:29:31.039 --> 00:29:36.759
gonna sort of get their feelings hurt, so now you know, Yeah,55700:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.599
And then someone told me I wasn't and then I stopped,55800:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.079
and then the other half said like, hey, why aren't55900:29:42.119 --> 00:29:43.960
you give it out numbers? And then I have to explain.56000:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.759
And actually, at one point I came on during the recording,56100:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.359
I said, listen, when I do, I'm not going to56200:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.200
do these shows that much, but when I do, like56300:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.880
a card show as a dealer, just so you know,56400:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.519
I'm not going to give out, uh you know how56500:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.079
much I made, just because I don't want any you56600:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.319
want to feel lesser than because you're not lesser. I'm56700:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.079
not more than you and you're not lesser than me.56800:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.680
And that was not my intention. And if you're listening,56900:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.519
and even if you didn't send me an email but57000:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.880
you felt like that, I sincerely apologize because that wasn't57100:30:16.119 --> 00:30:20.240
my intention with that zero percent attention, and I got actually,57200:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.319
I got a lot of message after that recording saying57300:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.480
we appreciate you saying that I didn't take it that57400:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.160
way when you did, but you know, it's nice that57500:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.480
you think of how we feel potential. So you know,57600:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.359
sometimes you learn on the fly as.57700:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.359
They say, oh yeah for sure, for sure, yeah yeah,57800:30:38.400 --> 00:30:38.759
go ahead.57900:30:38.839 --> 00:30:39.400
Ah No.58000:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.680
I was gonna say, there's there's one show that recorded58100:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.920
and I never aired it because as I was going58200:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.799
through editing, I realized, this is not what I do58300:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.599
and this is not what I want to be known for.58400:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.359
And so that episode lives only on my hard drive58500:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.680
now because I was thought, you know, there's certain ways58600:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.480
that you you know, want to be perceived, and there's58700:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.519
certain ways that you uh, certain content you don't want58800:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.960
to wait into sometimes because you feel like it's not58900:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.920
really what you And so I recorded a whole different59000:31:10.119 --> 00:31:13.119
off the cuff episode after that, and it was totally fine.59100:31:13.400 --> 00:31:13.559
Uh.59200:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.200
The episode was about it was an episode about chill bidding,59300:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.759
and I had actually gone through, like deep into the data,59400:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.440
and I pulled out three or four of the worst59500:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.200
perpetrators of it and was gonna go through the numbers59600:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.240
and back everything up and and and as I was59700:31:29.279 --> 00:31:30.880
listened to him, like, this is this is not what59800:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.319
I want to be doing and so sometimes you really59900:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.759
do when when it's like, you know, when you're not working.60000:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.359
You mentioned Joe Rogan before, you know, he has producers60100:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.880
and everything else. You and and me and other and60200:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.359
other people who do their own show. We're it, right,60300:31:43.519 --> 00:31:46.200
you know, we are. We are the the on air talent,60400:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.079
we are the editors, we're the producers. And someone's got60500:31:50.079 --> 00:31:51.559
to be in the room to tell us when not60600:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.200
to do something. But it can only be us, and60700:31:54.359 --> 00:31:55.960
it's not gonna be us. It's gonna it's gonna be60800:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.039
like that really good fan of yours who said, hey, listen,60900:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.279
I wish you hadn't done that. And sometimes you got61000:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.640
to take your cue from from the people as well,61100:32:02.680 --> 00:32:03.960
but you did. You did that.61200:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.279
Yeah, and I thanked them, like at first, I apologize, like, hey,61300:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.240
I didn't. That wasn't my intent. I'm sorry about that61400:32:10.480 --> 00:32:14.880
one hundred percent. You know, sincere it's not gonna happen again. Uh.61500:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.319
And I gave him, you know, without mentioning his name.61600:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.480
I gave him credit. Right, I'm not taking a credit like, hey,61700:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.519
I thought I thought about this and and I think61800:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.200
people might. I said, hey, I got a message that61900:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.880
somebody's feelings got hurt, and therefore I'm not really going62000:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.359
to do that again. It's just, you know, I don't62100:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.119
I don't want someone you know, I don't have a62200:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.960
problem doing content and someone may not agree with an opinion,62300:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.279
but I don't want someone genuinely getting their feelings hurt62400:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.319
because they felt less than which obviously wasn't my intention.62500:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.079
But whether it was my intention or not, Dave, that's62600:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.200
what happened. Yeah, And I don't like that bothered me.62700:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.359
It legitimately bothered me. Like I don't even talk to62800:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.920
my wife about if she doesn't know about cards, you62900:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.200
knows obviously pod casting, but I talked to her about63000:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.240
that particular like interaction, and you know she goes, well,63100:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.880
you know, just say the show was good or bad63200:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.559
or okay or great, and which was already what I63300:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.480
had decided to do. But you know she's like, you63400:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.440
didn't you didn't mean it, but like, you know, it63500:33:18.799 --> 00:33:22.279
bothered this particular person. So you can still do the63600:33:22.319 --> 00:33:26.640
same show without throwing dollar sign amount out there, right,63700:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.160
I can say it's a great show, or it was63800:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.720
my best show this year so far, like financially without63900:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.759
saying the number, right, and but at the same time64000:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.640
I got messages like what did you make? You know,64100:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.960
so you can't win, make the whole room happy. But64200:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.799
even the ones that when I didn't give out a total,64300:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.880
they still like I still talked about the show and64400:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.640
observations and things I saw movie or that sort of thing.64500:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.640
So it was still, you know, other than a dollar amount,64600:33:56.720 --> 00:33:58.680
that was the only difference. And so that to me,64700:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.160
that's just the mind thing that I can adjust on64800:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.480
the fly. And again, like I'm I'm human, right, sometimes64900:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.360
we need someone else to say, hey, you drop the65000:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.119
ball here, or not even you drop the ball, but65100:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.039
you sort of rubbed me the wrong way here. And65200:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.480
I've had people get one of the best compliments I've gotten, David.65300:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.400
Someone says, you know, John, I don't always agree with65400:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.360
your opinion or what you say. Well, one thing I65500:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.119
love and appreciate about you is I know there's no65600:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.480
shtick that's you. That's your real opinion. It's not like65700:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.920
you're saying something on the air and then posting something65800:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.079
or acting a different sort of way like the contradictors.65900:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.280
Even on some things where I don't necessarily see it66000:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.880
the same exact way, I still appreciate you, you know,66100:34:44.960 --> 00:34:49.159
because I know that's you know, from your heart and listen.66200:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.320
And the same guy said, like, I don't want all66300:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.320
of us to be cookie cutter and think the same66400:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.800
way that that has a bad usually has bad outcomes,66500:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.800
right as history shows, So you know. So that's like66600:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.880
one of the best compliments I can get is someone66700:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.880
that says, hey, even when I don't agree which necessary66800:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.639
your point or your take, I still like you and66900:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.360
that that resonates well. But if I can eliminate a67000:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.599
little thing and not rub someone the wrong way, I'm67100:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.719
all about it. And I always say that on the show. Right,67200:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.000
let me know what you think, you like something, you67300:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.559
don't like something? Where can I be better? That's how67400:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.239
we get better, right, And sometimes we need someone else67500:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.960
to point it out, like we don't. We don't always67600:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.400
catch everything ourselves. So I'm appreciated, lungs. It's done in67700:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.400
a tactful way, you know, rather than someone sends an67800:35:39.440 --> 00:35:42.320
email with two words that like, hey, you suck or67900:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.760
that sucked. You know, okay that you know, tell me68000:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.679
why so I can maybe improve on it or eliminate something. Right,68100:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.639
give me a little more detail then than two words. Right,68200:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.679
I'm always I asked for it and I'm appreciate it. Right,68300:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.239
But you know, long as it's tactful. Right, at the68400:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.239
end of the day.68500:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.320
You can't please all the people all the time.68600:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.199
No, I knew that. I learned that when I got68700:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.320
into coaching, whether it be youth sports at the high68800:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.239
school level. Right, the one year, real quick story. One68900:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.480
year we you know, youth pop Warner. We went like69000:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.679
ten and oh I was a coach. We went like69100:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.880
to the state, the state finals. Everyone got all the69200:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.920
kids got big trophy. You know, entered the year meeting.69300:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.119
You know, eighty percent of the parents like me, right,69400:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.320
you know, we wanted their kids want a big trophy,69500:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.119
had memories they'll never forget. But you're always gonna have69600:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.079
that couple of parents. Right. Little Jimmy maybe didn't play69700:36:38.119 --> 00:36:41.159
as much as in their mind they thought he should.69800:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.639
So you know, coach Newman still sucked. So you can't. Again,69900:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.800
I learned from coaching, no matter what, you can't win70000:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.039
the whole room, but if you can win maybe the70100:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.119
majority of the room, then maybe that's a good sign.70200:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.039
Yep. You know, just do content for yourself and then70300:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.199
others will others will come along as long as you're genuine, right.70400:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.599
Yeah, well, Dave, listen, man, uh, you know my door70500:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.760
is always open. You want to come on any reason70600:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.239
you want to announce the relaunch of the Shallow, But listen,70700:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.280
I appreciate you for the person you are and the70800:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.280
content that you made and still making even with your70900:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.559
other shows. And you know you don't need me to71000:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.320
teg a keep keep it up. And appreciate you, and71100:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.400
I appreciate you making some time here as always. I71200:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.159
give like the guests, sort of give out any social71300:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.480
media handles or wherever you want people to find you71400:37:38.519 --> 00:37:39.320
in what you're doing.71500:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.519
Sure, So yeah, John, and and thank you. I would71600:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.880
not have made it tuned in episodes if you and71700:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.360
and Jeremy Lee had not been so supportive early on71800:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.119
and you didn't know me from anyone, but but you71900:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.760
still gave me the time and that really, you know,72000:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.599
propelled me to be able to keep going. So thank72100:37:55.639 --> 00:37:57.559
you for all that you do and continue to do72200:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.840
and have done. And you're real real asset to the72300:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.119
hobby for sure. People can find me on Instagram at72400:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.480
Iowa Dave Sports Cards. That's Iowa Underscore Dave Underscore Sports Cards.72500:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.280
The Shallow End. A podcast feed is still live, but72600:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.159
now it's producing the sports card card casts from time72700:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.519
to time, so that's where you can find that. And72800:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.320
then Overthinking Baseball Cards appears there also, No, it doesn't,72900:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.480
Yes it does. It appears there for the podcast, but73000:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.159
the video has its own channel, Overthinking Baseball Cards. We73100:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.039
say we're once a month, but we're starting to go73200:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.960
a little bit more. Jason and I are, and if73300:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.239
you are, if you really like to talk baseball cards73400:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.280
and think about baseball cards and about your own collections73500:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.000
and how you collect, this might be the show for you.73600:38:43.119 --> 00:38:44.840
So I hope you all check it out.73700:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.559
No doubt. Thank you for the kind words, sir Dave.73800:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.559
I'm not gonna take any credit. I appreciate that. I73900:38:50.599 --> 00:38:56.199
think you your your success is more tested to yourself74000:38:56.360 --> 00:38:58.320
and who you are. But I appreciate. I don't want74100:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.039
to be unappreciate. I do appreciate the, like I said,74200:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.639
coming from you, all the even all the more so.74300:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.719
But I think you, you know, hats off to you.74400:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.920
You you deserve the credit, but I appreciate you. You know,74500:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.119
you know, give me a little tip of the hat.74600:39:12.159 --> 00:39:13.960
But at the end of the day, right, it's you74700:39:14.119 --> 00:39:18.440
on the mic, making content that people enjoy and love.74800:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.760
And I you know, maybe I was on one episode,74900:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.880
so I'll take credit. I'll take credit for that episode,75000:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.119
but all the the other one, that's I'm kidding. I'm kidding,75100:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.920
but no, well, by all means, that's that's you, and75200:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.880
and but I appreciate the kind words. Uh, nonetheless, and75300:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.519
love to have you back on somewhere here down the line.75400:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.119
And uh, you know, keep collecting, keep doing the content,75500:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.840
whatever form it may be. It's still you, right, sharing75600:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.400
your passion and your hobby with those who love that.75700:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.159
Thanks John, Thank.75800:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.960
You Dave Schwartz for giving some time to the program.75900:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.880
Always love having Dave on. And we'll have him one again,76000:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.880
you know, if he wants to come back. A great guy,76100:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.760
a lot of insight, sort of you know, sort of76200:40:09.119 --> 00:40:15.480
to me, represents what collecting should be about. Really, And76300:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.840
the next two weeks programming note, we will have authentication76400:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.840
and autograph expert Steve grad on the podcast for the76500:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.960
next two weeks. First time ever. I don't know how76600:40:29.000 --> 00:40:33.320
that happened, but I'll fall on the sword for that one.76700:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.039
But as I always say, right, better late than never,76800:40:37.159 --> 00:40:41.880
So Steve Grad next week and the following week, so76900:40:41.920 --> 00:40:45.039
we're gonna have some closing thoughts here and wrap up77000:40:45.480 --> 00:40:46.639
this week's episode.77100:40:47.760 --> 00:40:55.400
Time for all the announcer of the week. Hey there,77200:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.119
this is John Keating from that seventies card show with77300:40:58.199 --> 00:41:02.760
a friendly reminder of the hobby is the People. If77400:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.320
you'd like to be the hobby is the People announcer77500:41:05.360 --> 00:41:09.000
of the week, do or MP three file and send77600:41:09.039 --> 00:41:14.239
it to Sportscardination PC at gmail dot com.
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