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your number one source. Sports Car Nation, the hobby is the people. [Music] Sports Card Nation. What is up everybody? Welcome to episode 351 of Sports Card Nation podcast. Uh, as always, glad to be back uh this week and uh always have a or I say I have a great guest, but I really do uh believe that and feel that. And uh this week, no different. It's a gentleman I've been uh looking forward to having on part one is this week. And one thing I appreciate about the gentleman on this week's episode is he kind of calls it like he sees it and he's very honest. Even when he's made mistakes themselves, um, he's talked about those. And, uh, you know, it's easy to always talk about your W's, right? Anybody, I don't want to say anybody, but it's easier to talk about W's. I think it's harder to talk about L's or tough spots. And I know I've done it on this show with, you know, different mistakes I've made uh through many years of trial and error. And this gentleman uh is like that uh as well. And he's he's, you know, adapted and uh fixed things uh that were causing some hobby strife, if you will. And and he shared that uh with his audience, and I thought that was very uh refreshing. So, uh, today's guest, Dustin from Sports Card Dad, uh, today will be part one of our two-part conversation. So, with that being said, let's, uh, get to the show. All right. Excited to have my next gentleman, a next guest, uh, a gentleman, uh, on the Sports Car Nation, uh, guest line. He's got, he's a content creator, uh, in his own right. We have some things that we uh some similarities we share and some criticisms uh we share that we're going to tackle, but we're going to talk a gamut of of hobby stuff uh as well. Uh Dustin uh Sports Card Dad, welcome. John, thanks for having me on. I've been watching your show for years. It's kind of a full circle moment for me. I've been probably watching since I started making content like 2020, you know? So it's yeah we're listen you know even 2018 here 2020 like you just said those are you know when we look at content creation now that's we're like some of the OGs not to not to pat ourselves on the back but you know I'm sure you've heard that I've I've gotten that um you know now there's a ton of it but uh you know I I know you'll agree even when you started in the two years before that when I did there was a lot less right a lot less terrain with with content And uh I think it's a good, you know, someone asked me is is all the content good or bad. I think it's it's both. It can be both. I I guess it depends uh on the content itself and that stuff sort of works itself out, I believe. I mean, would you uh give me a chance to sort of respond you feel like the same way? Yeah, there's so many different shows and personalities now. I mean, I can remember and you were in it like you said in 2018. in 2020. I mean, I felt like I would put out a video. So, I when I started in March 2020, I made kind of a goal for myself. I'm going to put out a video every single day. And it was during the pandemic, so I had time. And, you know, that was my goal of, hey, I'm going to start this YouTube channel. I love talking about cards, collectibles. I'm just I'm just going to try to stick to that one video every single day. It's not going to be flashy. It'll be seven to 10 minutes. You know, sometimes they were 15, but it was going to be kind of something that I do as a routine uh during the pandemic. And I man there was nothing. I would post and there would be you know like people also talking about hobby news and hobby topics. I don't want to say there was nothing but there was very like nowadays I post my video and there's a it feels like there's a hundred other channels posting you know about you know different various you know hobby topics. Yeah. No doubt. And one thing and I I too listen to or or watch a lot of your content as well. One thing I appreciate, you know, we kind of talk about the parallels in content creation, right? There's some content creators or shows and all they do is talk about the wins and all the great purchases and I bought it for this and I sold it for that and they never share like, "Hey, I lost on this product or I lost on prospecting this guy or I opened the case of that and it was uh it was bad, right?" And I try to like, you know, like I'll share good stories, but I also say, hey, you know, I shared how I got ran up a credit card debt of of 10K uh on on opening WAX. It didn't happen overnight. Uh but it it snuck up on me and how that's one of the reasons I don't open WAX anymore, right? You learn uh the hard way. You've been pretty transparent. One thing again that I I really appreciate uh about you, I try to be like that is like, hey, share the the whole picture, not just uh not just the good parts of of the story, right? And hopefully, right, hopefully there's more good parts and bad parts, but you know, tell the whole story rather than uh just the the good parts. And you did that even talking about, you know, purchasing uh too many cards and and you know, again, sneak kind of sneaks up on you. uh talk about that that instance in in your hobby life and and was it difficult to really share that like to everyone else uh or or maybe not not not really. Well, I I thought, you know, actually I talked to my wife before I posted that video and she said, you know, you're going to get a you could get a lot of blowback on that video. You know, you might get a lot of people that laugh at you or think that you're an idiot or any of that. And I and I and I was thinking though, but you know, I can't be the only one. I've got to there's got it's got to be relatable and it's honest and it's it's what's going on. And that's what when I started my channel, it was it was never to be your hobby card expert because because I I'm not an expert now and I wasn't five years ago. So, you know, it was always like, hey, this is my journey. I'm buying and selling these cards. I'm flipping these to buy that. And, you know, back in 2020 2021, it was easy to flip cards. I was like, man, I'm great at this. Everybody was great at it. if you had bought any cards like prior to 2020, they went up in price, you could sell them and and you had I'm sure you had a lot of cards that appreciated heading into 2021, you know. So, I I was able to flip cards like a lot of people, but you know what happened was is we got kind of towards the end of 2021, prices started to pull back. I was making money from my channel, so that was helping to kind of subsidize buys, but I still wasn't being careful enough with and and and I wasn't being it's not as if I was spending the the mortgage money on on cards. I was still paying the bills, but there was disposable income there that just went to cards and I wasn't having a conversation with my wife about it. And it could look, you've got a family, I've got a family, there's always there's always money to go somewhere for the kids. It's it can go to retirement or college vacation. it can go to fix the house, it can go anywhere. So, the fact that I wasn't being transparent enough uh with her about my spending. Um, and again, and I and I was trying to be transparent in that video, too, that that first video, and this was, I think, January of 2022, so about three years ago is when I made it. Um, I was trying to be transparent in that I wasn't losing the house, you know, it wasn't I wasn't trying to be overly dramatic, but I was trying to be just be honest about, you know, because I felt like this could be something that could happen to anybody. And this was buying singles. This wasn't buying into breaks. This wasn't buying into repacks and into hobby boxes, which frankly, I mean, if you look at the marketing in the hobby, I mean, that's really what that's the target. That's the that's really where they're trying to get you in is for is for more of the the gambling products. And and so I wanted to also share, hey, look, it's not just that. I I'm getting sucked in on just buying singles. And and I'm still, you know, over the kind of overspending in the sense that I wasn't being honest with my wife and transparent. You know, boxes are coming in the mail. I'm running up the stairs with them, you know, and and people will joke about that online, but, you know, you got to find a balance with it. Um, you know, and so I I shared that video and I ended up getting a great response from it. Actually, I did get a little bit of blowback, but it wasn't it wasn't it was like 90 90%, you know, positive. Thanks for sharing. And 10% was kind of like, you know, they laughed at me and that that's okay. Well, that 10% Dustin would have would have complained about whatever that video I believe. Right. There's that that segment. Yeah. The hobby that just uh sort of negative. It is it is what it is. I took from it like it's a very human moment and you were using it sort of as a a teaching moment like hey this can happen. I don't care who you are. I don't know it doesn't matter your income level. I mean it was nice you know it was good that uh it wasn't affecting like your your living arrangements or food on the table. Uh but you know what the sad thing is there are people who even go even further than than what you were were you know uh sharing where that that is what's happening and uh it's it's ended relationships and marriages. It's caused uh problems in in households to to even a different level and I appreciated that. you know, I I I don't know how easy or hard it was, but um you know, I I I commend it. I commend you for it because I don't think it's I don't think anyone can do that. And you did it and you did it in a way where you put yourself out there knowing like some people are going to like be critical, but it also there's probably some a bunch of people, I'm sure you got some of this feedback, right, that said, "Hey, I'm I'm sort of in that same boat, Dustin." and like, oh yeah, you know, thank thanks for, you know, turning that light bulb on and we realize like this is happening and um you know, so I'm sure like go ahead. Yeah, in a weird way it so it's embarrassing obviously you're sharing it to the public but it's also an accountability measure in a way too because I've shared it publicly and my wife is you know my wife knows I've shared it publicly like my friends know like people know and so now it's almost like okay I put that out there so people know you know so I have to it also helps me to check myself because I have shared that information that I have a I need to kind of watch things a little bit and it did help me you know we basically We just kind of rebudgeted the way that it happened. I made that video I think like the first week of January. And what we always do is at the end of the year, the calendar year, we take a look at our, you know, what the money coming in, the money going out, what are we investing here and there and the debts and this and that and trying to figure out where money is going and and that's where we were like, damn, you know, you spent a lot of money on cards this year, you know, and so that's where we had that conversation and then, you know, it turned into um, okay, we we need to kind of make some adjustments. We made the adjustments. I stuck to that and that's kind of but it helped me to stick to it because I was public with it, you know, and I think that was so I was breaking it to her, but I was also breaking it to my hobby friends and and viewers. So, it's it's it's kind of a it's embarrassing, but it it's also can be a helpful tool as well. Well, I and I get the embarrassing even when I talked about that wax that that was that was run up. Um, you know, it's not nothing you're proud of, right? But it's also I was using it as and I'm sure you were your with your your story right as a teaching moment like this stuff can happen doesn't matter who you are where you live uh even in other hobbies I'm sure there's similar uh stories in in all you know parts of life. So um you know the difference you know it's funny and I've told this story the air and I I'll make I'll make this shorter than when I tell it. when I was dating uh my wife. She wasn't even my fiance yet. Oh, no, she was my fiance. I have had a business account since I was 15. That's when I did my first card show. Um and I remember we were at at the dinner table out somewhere and she goes, "What are you going to do with your business account?" And I'm like, "What do you mean, what am I going to do with my business account?" And she goes, "Well, like marriage is a partnership." And I'm like, "It is. I'm 100% in agreement with that. But the, you know, this the hobby, like what, if we're going to be partners in the hobby, what are you going to do? Like, you going to help me ship or pack? No. I'm like, well, and and at the time, Dustin, she was a little like peeved. Like, it was, you know, I wasn't rude about it, but I was like, "No, I'm, you know, it's gonna going to be separate." I think she at the time she was viewing it as like an escape hatch like if this doesn't work out like he can just he's got a little you know live on that and and leave and blah blah blah which you that's not what it what it's for. And I said to her I said you don't realize it today u but you're going to really appreciate that I have this separate account today you don't but someday uh you will. And so when I talk about like when I bought my Jackie rookie like that came out of my money, not the joint account money when I ran up that big bit that debt that didn't come out of the joint money or I'd be you know and again you didn't it wasn't affecting your your and same thing here. It wasn't affecting me paying my bills or or put food on the table and that sort of thing. What was nice is it it I handled it without affecting like our interior uh joint account finance. So when I bought that Jackie rookie, which was now almost three years ago, um you know, she she doesn't know a lot about cards and and you know, she's very supportive, but she doesn't know, you know, what something's worth. But I'm like, "Hey, I got my grail card and I showed it to her." Oh, that's you know, that's cool. And she rarely will ask, you know, Dustin doesn't like if I do a show, like a card show as a dealer, like she might ask how you do in general terms, like it was a good Yeah, it was a great show. But she I give her credit. She never asks like, "Hey, how much money did you make?" or "How great was it?" But with the Jackie card, like the the Leaf, she's like, "How much did that cost? Can I ask?" And and then when I told her, like her jaw hit the floor and I'm like, "Now you now you like that that business account because none of those, not one dollar came from our money. That was all from, you know, being a dealer, some content creation." She goes, "Yeah, I get it now." I'm like, "You didn't get it, you know, 23 years ago or 22 years ago, but you know, she she gets it now." So that that sort of keeps me out of trouble. And and I think too, you know, and obviously I've I've eliminated that credit card debt and and you learn I'm not doing I'm not going back there, right? You go down an alley and you get you get hit over the head with with a bat and then you run down the alley again, get hit over the head. At some point the light bulb goes on like I'm not going in that alley uh anymore. So for me it was that you know opening wax and buying boxes and it it was fun. Don't get me wrong, we've all opened stuff. one of the most, you know, fun things to do in the hobby. Uh, but when the smoke clears and the dust settles, uh, there's a bill to to pay. And I learned sometimes the bills more than, uh, what you get. And so I use it. I you and I sure you did this with with your story. It's like a cautionary tale, like be careful. Um, I was able to pay that off. You were able to get a game plan and make sure that you it doesn't happen again. sometimes maybe people can't uh do that and then it's it could be too late. So uh you know I I I looked at both of those stories while different in terms of but but similar as they can be teaching moments right so maybe prevent someone else a heartache or or financial uh strain. Well, and I think it's challenging, too, because most people are using their job money, you know, for the hobby. If And so, if you're going to have the hobby pay for itself, you're either making money flipping cards or, you know, buying and selling cards, which, you know, then you'll have people like, oh, you're a flipper or this and that, you know, you're not a collector. But it's like this is a buy, sell, trade hobby, you know. I mean, you can't, not everybody can just, we're not all, you know, zillionaires that can just keep on pumping money into it, you know. I mean, some people can and that's great, but you know, for most people, you're buying, selling, trading, and and that's fun, but that's also funding your PC items or, you know, or whatever. You know, for us, we have content that's helping to pay, you know, for for the hobby. So, you know, but that's the hobby paying for itself. You know, if if we didn't have I can't speak for you, but if if my channel wasn't what if it didn't grow the way that it did, I wouldn't have the collection I've got. I just wouldn't I wouldn't be able to do it, you know? So, as the channel has grown, that's given me the ability to get better cards and to get better collectibles and other things, you know, but if that didn't happen, then, you know, like I would be out of luck. I wouldn't have the same sort of collection unless I would have to find another way. I'd have to be a prolific flipper. I'd have to be, you know, I'd have to find another way. So, it's it's challenging. Time for a quick break, but we'll be right back. [Music] Iron Sports Cards is your number one source for all your PSA and other grading submissions. Their elite status improves turnaround times. Heck, they even provide the card savers. Their chat rooms provide updates on all your submissions. They also offer wax options and single cards to cover all the bases. Check them out on Facebook at Ironportscards Group or on the web at ironportscards.com or even give them a call at 1877 NPSA. Rob's got you covered. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's return to the show. [Music] I'm pretty transparent. Why I won't give out figures and that I' I've you know, the show has sponsor. It gets paid for download and and all that good stuff. I don't hide behind that or or deny it. That's true. But a lot, like you just said, Dustin, uh, and some people, we're going to talk about this a little bit, might be critical of that. But a good percentage of that, if not in some cases all of it, depending on the time of year, month, goes right back in the hobby and transacts the hobby and keeps that going. I've been, you know, I hear the term, and I'm sure you've heard it, right, uh, true collector. If you sell cards, you're not a true collector, which I I actually disagree with. Um, I'm surrounded by cards. Some of them are are on camera. Uh now I I have a PC. There's when I do a show like you know there's a lot of stuff that's not with me at the show that will never be uh at the show with me and and those are PC items. And so a lot of times you know I have a good show some that money goes back in the show for for new show inventory and also goes in the PC items and those are transactions. But I always laugh like when people say, "Oh, you're not a true collector if you sell something." And I laugh at that because, you know, you you got to get your cards from from someone who's saying that. You got to get your cards from somewhere. You're probably buying them from from somebody most likely. Whether that's if it's wax, you're buying that from a a wax dealer or singles, you're buying it from a dealer. So, I don't I I once asked somebody like, "What is the definition of a true collector?" like what is it? Like, you know, tell me. You know, we I I'm in New York, so a lot of people say, "Oh, he's a true Yankee." And I I always thought a true Yankee is someone that's drafted by them, stays in the system, and then comes up and plays uh for the organization. You know, when you ask a Yankee fan, you know, they all have like different definition. Oh, just he epitomizes what it you know. So I whenever I ask someone to mention true collector they either hemaha don't have a really good definition or they say you don't sell true collectors don't sell their cards and there's very few people who've never sold even people who aren't necessarily card sellers have have sold a card so like to say that I always kind of you know shrug my shoulders like I'm sure you've heard yeah I mean it's all relative too I mean you know a lot of the the collectors you know, that I've seen, you know, I mean, they're financially established. They're, you know, they're they're older, you know, they might be 50, 55, 60 plus, and they don't really need the money, you know, I mean, and or maybe they're younger, maybe they're 30. Um, but they're buying lower-end cards, you know, like, so I could have binders of lower-end cards, and technically I'm I'm not I don't need to sell them, you know, maybe they're 50cent dollar cards that go in the binder. So, it it really depends on the situation, but you know, it's it's kind of um you know, to be a a long-term holder, you you know, you have to be financially established. If you're buying mid-end to high-end stuff, if you're buying mid-end to high-end stuff, you know, then I I just don't know lots of people that are 20, 25 that are are set up in life to where they're ready to, you know, to have long-term holds on on high-end stuff. You know, most of the 25 year olds are flipping because they're building a life. you know, they're building a they're building a business in the hobby or they're doing it as a side hustle or they're about to start a family or I mean like you and I, we're I'm gonna be 45 next year, you know, like I'm done having kids, you know, like I'm kind of on the, you know, I'm on the back the back nine, you know, we're on the back nine, you know, so I'm on I'm on the back three, you know. So, back 52. So, yeah. So, we So, we've kind of gotten established to where we can hold some cards. Now, I'm not I'm not trying to hold every last thing, but I mean, we there are certain cards like your Jackie, for example, that's a card that you you don't necessarily need to move on that card, you know? So, I just think it's all it's all relative, you know, and but most of the time, you know, to be financially established, you're not 20. You're you're older and you've you've you've got some years on some of the other people. Yeah, no doubt. It's a it's a great point. And um you know, hobby your way, right? Again, try to stay out of trouble. um you know try to be financially sound and um but you're right I think that younger set and you know you mentioned the national I mean even like that's coming and we're recording this before the event this will probably air after the fact but you know even for me like I like to go to the national and buy a couple decent cards you know four figures but to do that I've and I've talked about it it's not a secret I've even written about it in an article like I really don't buy anything of significance uh the three months before the national uh just just putting money away uh saving it up. That's good discipline. And I've gotten better. Listen, full disclosure, I've gotten better as an older person doing that than the younger version of me that that would do it. I even I I have a I I I share this with someone. I stole this from a friend of mine. He was going to Las Vegas like two to three times a year. And you know, he had a a decent job. But I'm like, how are you going on all these trips to Vegas? And he's like, the dollar envelope? And I'm like, the dollar envelope? He goes, "Yeah." And he told me what he does is every day at when he's home for the day and he's not going back out any ones he has in his pocket, he puts in an envelope and forgets about them. At the end of the year, he ban, you know, you put them in bands of 50. And he says, "I have, it depends on the year, but anywhere from like 900 to 1,500 bucks." He goes, "You ought to do it." He goes, "You you save money. You don't even realize it." Like, they're once. And I said, "You know what? I'm going to do and this was even before I was going to national, Dustin." And I did it. And the first year I did it, there was like five, six hundred bucks there without even like me thinking about it at a year. And I'm like, man, I I didn't even like realize that. So, I've done it for now for like 18 years. And I do that and that becomes national money. I put, you know, I do a card show as a dealer and it's a good show. Obviously, I put my sales tax money aside. I put money aside to to buy new inventory for the showcases. And then I put money aside, hey, this is going for end of July and August uh for the national I sort of sort of plan ahead uh more so than the younger version of me that would just kind of fly by the seat of my pants. And um uh it helps me to to go to the national, right? And have some some some coin to to spend and have fun, right? And again, it's not even all cards, right? There's other obviously expenses, flights, hotels, uh you're well aware and and uh dinners and and all that uh fun stuff. That stuff will will add up. So So if you know if you don't save and like, hey, I'm I'm going and you know you hear and I've heard these horror stories. I'm sure you have too with the national people just run like credit card bills uh way up and then after after they get back home and they're like I got to pay this all all back and I and I have a little bit of that. I don't want to, you know, be uh disingenuous, but not where I'm like really threatening over like, oh my god, like I've I've already had a lot of cash that I brought with or money in my, you know, whether it be a PayPal or or other uh cash account where I don't have to use my credit card that much and I'm not sweating it when when that bill comes. But some people really fund the whole trip and what they buy on that and then and then worry about it after the fact. I don't want to, you know, I don't want to do that. So, I get in real trouble. It's tough. Yeah. It's the It's It's the greatest show on turf. It's like, you know, it's the Mecca. It's I mean, everything is there. I can And I can see you just, you know, getting kind of caught up with, you know, you're there with your buddies. You see a card you've been wanting. You're kind of mulling it over. I've I've helped my f my friend flipping Steve. He bought a Willie Mays rookie card at the Philly card show. Now, he was planning to buy it. So, it's not as if I and he's really careful with with his money and but I helped him buy it. I was telling him I'm like, "Dude, this is the best copy in the whole show." You know, I'm like talking him into it, you know, peer pressure. I was peer pressure. Now, he had the money and he, you know, like he was wanting to buy one, but he was kind of on the fence like, "Man, is this the one?" I'm like, "This is the one, dude. This is the you know, like so it that's probably happening every year at the national." Yeah. And and sometimes you need that. That's not That's a good thing. Even like not to keep referring back to the Jackie, but even even with the Jackie, I had my friend Danny Black who was like I it was a good it was really a decent deal, but I was having that self-doubt, right? And I'm like, you ask for someone else. Hey, what do you think here? He's like, dude, that's you've been looking for this card. It presents well. You're not going to get it cheaper than that at this point. Like, you know, you're either going to get it or just forget about it like and move on. And like sometimes you need that you need that uh person to sort of uh cuz I think we're we have that sort of you know the the two two voices on their shoulder right one's like hey pull the trigger and the other's like oh man I don't know think about this and it becomes a tugof-war sometimes we need that uh that outside opinion like hey that's a pretty good deal and and and and other side of that coin right now I think you could get a better one maybe even for a better price sometimes they'll help you to not make a transaction. So, what's kind of weird though too about those types of cards like what you're talking about is it's almost easier for me to buy a card like that where it's a genuine store of value, you know, whereas if you bought 10 cards that are, let's say they're $500 each and you buy 10 cards over time, maybe they hold up, maybe they don't, maybe they go down to 200 or something, but that's an iconic card. So, even though that might be and I don't know how much you paid, let's say it's a $5,000 card and that's a hell of a lot of money, but you know, it's kind of like when you're telling your wife, when you're telling your family, you can turn right around and sell it. It's worth it's worth what it's worth. Like, you know, I mean, like it's funny to hold up. It's a great It's a great point. You hit it right on the head, Dustin. It's funny you mentioned that, too, because when I going back to the story, when I told my wife, and I'll be I'll be honest now, it's it's I mean, you can look it up and find out. uh it was 7,700 uh at the time. It's actually like you said, it's actually more now if I was to to resell it. So when I told my wife what it cost and her jaw hit the floor and I'm I'm like, "Hey, now you now you know why I have that separate account." So none of that came out of our account. But she goes, "You paid that much for one piece of cardboard, one card." like she doesn't understand the whole who it is and the you know the iconic of of the of the of the car but what you just said is exactly what I told her. I'm like yes I paid that but like tomorrow I could probably get it all back. It's almost like it's still money. It's just in a different form. And anytime you need to to liquidate it if that's what I chose to do um you know it's still there. It's not like when you go to a restaurant, you have a great steak and it cost you 50 to 80 bucks at like a uh you know Morton steakhouse. The steak might be great. You enjoyed your two or three hours there with whoever you're with or your family, but the steak's gone. Like you're not like it's it, you know, it might be worth the the the bill you paid at the end of the night, but it's also gone. You got nothing to show for it other than a great memory. Other hobbies that me, you know, boating, um golf, you know, when you go play golf, Yeah. you have fun, you have a nice round of golf, it's probably a couple hundred, it's a few hundred bucks and that adds up if you play a lot. You know, boating, don't even get me started on boating. Like my dad's my my dad's a fisherman and he's got a boat. He's got to pay to gas it up. He's got to pay to, you know, like it he loves it. He loves it, but that money's gone once you spend it on boating. You have the experiences, but he can't get the money back. It's gone, you know, whereas the cardboard, you can get the you can get money back. Yeah. And when I explained that to her, you know, uh it it made it a little not that it was her money anyway, but she got the light bulb went on, so to speak, a little bit, but uh you know, she got it a little bit. Uh probably would have had to do more explaining had that come out of like an account. Oh, yeah. She didn't. All right, that concludes part one of our conversation with Dustin Sports Card Dad. But if you enjoyed that, uh you know, come back next week. We'll have part two uh as well. So uh with that being said, we're going to have our hobby is the people announcer of the week next and some closing thoughts. If you want to be the hobby is the people announcer of the week like you'll hear, just send me an MP3 or wave file of you introducing yourself. Give me a free plug and somewhere in there mention our tagline, right? The hobby is the people. All right, let's uh hear from our Hobby the People announcer of the week. Time for our Hobby is the people announcer of the week. Yo, hello everybody. Mike here, baseball collector. And remember that the hobby is the people. If you'd like to be the hobby is the people announcer of the week, do a WAV or MP3 file and send it to sportscardation pcgmail.com
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