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Sports guard Nation, Hobbies, the People, weely News and Interviews.
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It's you on number.
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One Soul Sportscarnations.
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Hobby is the people.
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Sports Guardation. What is up? Everybody?
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Welcome to episode four one of Sportscardination. We celebrated our
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four hundredth episode last week with a giveaway, and we
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gave We gave out a contest word on an episode
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which you had to get to.
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Me in either PM DM or email. Fashion.
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I'm gonna give it another week before we actually draw
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the randomized for the six prizes the winners. You know,
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not everyone, I get it. Not everyone listens to the
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episode on release day. We do have some entries for sure,
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but I want to give everyone apple time. I don't
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want anyone to say, hey, you know you did it
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too fast, right? You know, I'm busy. I don't listen
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to the episode on day one. So I'm gonna give
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it probably to this coming Friday for everyone to get
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the entries in. If you're not in, how do you
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get in? Listen to episode four hundred. Somewhere in the episode, I.
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Will give you a hint.
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It's not at the beginning. There will be a contest word.
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Get that contest word to us and you were entered.
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Everyone entered will be put on the randomizer list for
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one of six prizes. I don't want anyone winning more
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than once, so once there will be six different winners.
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And again we'll do that in about a week. Let's
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talk about this episode. My guest on this show Dave
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Schwartz from The Shallow End. He's kind of sunseted that podcast,
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but he's doing other content as well. He's not writing
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off into the Sunset, but a great show. For one
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thing I appreciated about that show was for really the
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everyday collector and wanted to talk to him about, you know,
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the thought process when he knew, you know, as a
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fellow podcaster, you know, what was the toughest thing about podcasting,
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what was the most fun and that sort of thing.
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So I picked his brain to you know, get some
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behind the scenes or some insights about him and the
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show he's been on. He's an alumnus of the show
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he's been on prior, but with that happening recently, I
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wanted to get him on. So he's our guest this
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week and next week. As we do always continue to
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do double episodes to keep the you know time all
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meant more consumable. Before we get the show start, I
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want to thank all our great sponsors. Some of that
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contributed to the giveaway that was ongoing. Stc Iron, Sports Cards,
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Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby Hotline, Upper Deck, Card Ladder and
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CTCA that starts by Trading Card Association. So with all
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that being said, let's kick this thing off.
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Attention Sportscard Nation viewers. What up, kids, it's your boy, Scott.
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Hansen from NFL Red Zone.
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All We're back.
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Fall is back, the hobby never ends, and before you
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know it, I'm gonna be on your screen again, rocking
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that onco box, knocking the bottom out of the Witching
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Hour and announce in seven hours of Red Zone football.
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But as you watch red Zone, just save some time Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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Friday Saturday to check out John It's Sports Cardination.
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Let's have a great season.
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Pep Real happy to have the next gentleman on the
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Sports Cardination guest line.
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It's not his first time.
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He is a returning guest and he's a podcaster and
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content creator in his own right, and I'm happy to
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call him also a friend and happy to have him
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back on Dave Schwartz.
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Welcome back, Hey John.
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It's great to be here. Great to be back.
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When I first got back into cards, you were one
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of the first people who I found, and you helped
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kind of bring me back to life in this hobby.
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So I love talking with you. It's great to be here.
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Well, I appreciate that, and coming from you even all
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the more so. You're not out of podcasting per se.
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But you know, you had a great show to Shallow End,
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which I know you just sun set it three year
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run almost three years twenty three to twenty six here,
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and one thing I loved about the show and your
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content was it was for ever, for everybody, everyday collector,
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and it's something I try to do. Frankly, and I'm
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being very honest here, I think you do even do
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a better job than I do, because sometimes I'll have
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a guest that's from the corporate world, and not that
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there's anything wrong with that, but you really made content
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that everyone could relate to and made it seem seamless.
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And so my hat's off off to you there. When
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when you started A Shallow Wind, was that something you
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had in mind right from Jump Street?
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It was in fact, that's even the story behind the name.
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So when I got going, uh, you know, I was
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asked if I wanted to do a podcast, and this
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was by you know, the artists formerly known as the
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sports Car Therapist, right Rob G And he said, you know,
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would you want to be on my network? He asked me,
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what do you want to do a show? And immediately
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I came back with no. And the reason why is
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I had no immediate ideas. I just I'd done a
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podcast before in a different market. It was like in
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a is about books, right, and I don't like the
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sound of my own voice. But then as I thought
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about it, and it took about a week, I got
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back to him. I said, actually, yeah, let's give it
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a shot. He says, what do you want to be about?
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I came back immediately the shallow end, But let's do
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a podcast about the rest of us, which is also
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the most of us.
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I think, you know, the.
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Seven figure sales are allegedly interesting, but really I think
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the one I'll relate to and want to talk about
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are just the fun pickups. I love when I'm on
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Instagram or a social or somewhere and someone sends me
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a pick of Hey, look what I picked up, and
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you know it's for their PC and it cost them
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twelve dollars. Like that is that's almost more exciting than
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you know, first round draft picked d jure, you know,
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prism black, finite vinyl, one of one gold. You know,
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we get it right, But it's when somebody is working
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towards something and the cost of the card matters so
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much less than just being able to fit that into
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what they're trying to build.
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Yeah, no doubt, and you know that upper echelon, if
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you will.
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The hobby.
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You know, it does make headlines, but when you really
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you know, bear it out. And I don't mean this
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in a negative way, but it's really like two percent
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of the overall hobby, right. The other ninety eight percent
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are guys like us that are are you know, we
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collect what we we love and like or something that's
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nostalgic or brings back memories to maybe our younger days,
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if you will, And not that they don't. You know
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that that two percent isn't the same, but you know
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the majority is playing with lesser discrectionary income, if you will.
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Maybe that's the polite way to say it. And so
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and I knew that you know, but like you said,
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with the name of the show itself, to to kind
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of drive that debt point home, you know, you know
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when you when you decided to you know, kind of
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sunset the show and you do another show called Overthinking
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Baseball Card. So it's not like you're right off into
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the on set and we'll never see you again, which
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which that's a that's a good thing. But when you
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decided sort of to put you know, the shallow endto bed,
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how much did you wrestle with that or was it
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actually easier than people may think.
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I had almost ended it about six months earlier, so
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I almost ended it at the end of twenty five.
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I was just tired of it. I was tired of
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coming up with content. Work was really, really busy, and
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for the first time, it felt like something I had
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to do instead of something that I wanted to do.
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And had a conversation behind the scenes with a few
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people about it and they said, take a break, don't quit,
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and I did. I took three or four weeks off
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and then came back and running. I was just reinvigorated.
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But then it started to hit me again, you know,
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in the spring, like, Okay, I think I've taken this
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about as far as I can take it, not you know,
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not you know, having a podcast, but that podcast in particular.
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And then I looked at it realized, oh, the method,
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I was coming up on two hundred episodes, and I
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thought I was maybe twelve away, and I thought that'd
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be a real nice round number to say that the
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show lasts two hundred episodes. And so I mapped it
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out and saw, you know, about when that would end,
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and I think it was mid to late May. I
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didn't want it to interfere with the National too much
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because we get lost, and that timing just seemed perfect,
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and so I said, all right, I'm going to do that.
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But I didn't tell anybody until I was five weeks out,
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and then I put out the show saying, you know,
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five more and then I'm done.
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And no, no regrets.
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You know, it's only been six weeks, seven weeks since
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I ended it, but I'm glad that I did. I
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do do the Overthinking Baseball Card Show with Jason who's
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at Contrarian Cards, and that's about once a month, which
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is a nice pace. And past week or two I
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also started one called Sports Cards the card Cast with
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Pat who is insta account have her, And one thing
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I like about is it's nice to have someone to
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chat with who who we have like interests and like
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philosophies and like trains of thought. But also we don't
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need to do it all that often, you know, maybe
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once a week. I'm sorry, once a month, once every
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few weeks or so, because this isn't.
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Isn't my job.
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I have a job, and I have a long coots
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and kids and everything else, and so this way I
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don't resent it so much. Plus I could to scratch
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another itch, So you know, Jason and I get to
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go really deep into conversations on overthinking baseball cards, and
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Pat and I get to have a little fun on
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Sports Cards the Cardcast. And it's just just a little
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bit different, and it's different and it's new, and it
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feels exciting to me. And it's a little bit less frequent,
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so every time feels fresh and fun.
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Yeah, and that's good to hear like that. You're in
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a good place, right And when I first even doing
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this podcast, Dave and I've talked about this on this
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podcast before, and I'll make this story a lot shorter
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when I was in the episodes in the numbers in
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the fifties and sixties, I really was getting sort of
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time consumed by it. And again I told the story before,
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so I apologize for those I've heard it, but I
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came you know, I'm upstairs. This is where I do
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the recording this, all my cards are around me. And
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I came down one night and my wife said, Hi,
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my name is Eron. What's your name? And it was
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her polite way of saying, like, man, you are upstairs
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a lot.
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You know what's going on. And you know, sometimes you
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need something like that to hit.
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You don't even realize that, right, You don't even realize
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that until someone It's almost I hate to use this analogy,
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but it's almost like intervention right where you don't know
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there's an issue until someone else says, hey, you know,
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like what are you doing?
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What's going on? Why are you doing it?
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And I was just very consumed by it and and
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just into it. And it's just a lot of time
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and I was taking me away from other things. And
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you know that that line for my wife really opened
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my eyes to hey, how can I don't want to?
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I know, I enjoyed it Obviously.
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I'm spending all this time on it, right, you got
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you got enjoyed if you're doing doing that, spending that
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much time on it.
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More efficient at it with time and and and there
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was some things that I didn't know.
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I'm still learning, Dave, you know, but there was things
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I didn't know at that time that I know now
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that I did a little research.
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How do I edit and do it fast?
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the story shorter. And I started implementing some of those
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things and really got back to where, you know, baseline,
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where I should have been. And I think I'm better
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for obviously my family, like part of my life is
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better for it. But I also because I don't spend
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the same amount of time like that, I think I
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appreciate it more too.
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Burnout can is a term that can be applied to anything,
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a job, a family, podcast, whatever, playing sports or a
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certain sport. You can get burnout can apply to any
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of those things. And I think had I continued down
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that road, I was headed in that direction. And sometimes
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it takes someone else to say hey, like what's going
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on and to kind of like turn the light on
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for you. And that's exactly what happened. And I'm glad,
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you know, I'm glad she my wife had said something,
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and uh, you know, so here we are, you know,
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almost at four hundred episodes, which is which is nuts
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to me as well. Like like you probably when you started,
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I had no idea how long it was gonna last.
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How long.
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It was just me, which is not what the other
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show I do, I'll Be Quick Kids, has become where
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it's just just me.
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me as well.
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I wasn't in teaching like I am nowadave, and I
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had a job that.
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hours and it was just killing me and I needed
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a career. And then doing the podcast on top of that,
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that's where some of the commentary from.
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to three o'clock and I just better off for nothing else.
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but did podcasting change how you collected?
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Did it? Did it influence how you collected or not? Necessarily?
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it did change is my overall experience in the hobby,
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and that allowed me to meet some people, which was
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really important. When my collecting hiatus was over, I used
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to say I was out of the hobby, but then
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Mike Monahan always says, as long as you have cars,
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you're never out of the hobby. You just take a
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long hiatus. So when my you know, decades long hiatus
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was over and I came back, at first I just
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learned about it through podcasts, kind of what I was doing,
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what the different sets were, and how the business was
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run now and what's this grading thing?
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And then from there I moved into Twitter.
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Actually I wasn't even on Instagram yet, and I started
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selling over and buying and selling over Twitter for a while,
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low end type stuff, and that place turned into a
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cesspool pretty quick, and so I just leaded my account
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and moved on from it. And this is what it was,
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still Twitter, And then I thought I felt really lonely,
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and there's something that happens with men as they get older,
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in that they tend to isolate a lot. They tend
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to kind of just go into the shell and become loaners.
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I joined Instagram and tried to meet some people and
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it was great, and chatted with some of their folks
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here and there, and then when the podcast opportunity came,
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I thought, at first I thought no, but then I thought,
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maybe this is another way to reach out and make
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some connections. The cards were always there, and we're always
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evolving and what we like and how we do it.
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You know, sometimes we evolve fast and sometimes we you know,
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it's it's a long time to evolve. But what I
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appreciate most about the shallow and podcasts while it was
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going is because of that, now I've got people who
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I know and and friends who whether the podcast is
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going or not, that we have those connections now, and
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I just I feel a little bit more part of
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the world in a way. And I think I can
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thank podcasting for that.
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Yeah, I I you know, Concur one hundred percent right,
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It's funny because you know it's it's funny, you know,
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the National's coming up, and it never fails, and I'm
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always humbled by it. Right, someone, I'm just walking around
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trying to buy some cards and see friends that I know,
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but it always someone will like tap me on the
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shoulder and say, hey, John, like you don't know me,
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love the show, just wanted to shake your hand, and
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like I'm always amazed by that. Like I had one
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guy say, like, you're a celebrity.
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I'm like, I'm not. And I've said this on the.
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Show, Like until I go to my local supermarket and
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I'm grocery shopping and someone says, oh my god, it's you,
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which doesn't happen. That's my point. You know, I'm not
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a celebrity, but it always is is humbling. I'm flattered
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by it and I'm honored by it. But it's I
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always help when someone says that to me, I'm like,
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I put my pants on one leg at a time. Man,
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We're just in the We're in the same fraternity of
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card collecting.
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That's that's who we are, and that's that's I'm good
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with that.
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But I you know, I'm always appreciative of people who
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you know, are glad to meet me. Right beats the alternative,
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the other side of that coin. And but I you know,
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that was never like really a goal of mine. I
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just wanted to share my experiences, my hobby, ask questions,
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and also maybe the informative at the same time. Right.
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I always say, as long as you're in the hobby,
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you should.
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You're probably learning something every day, especially now in today's
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hobby where it changes uh so quickly, and there's something
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new around the corner it seems like every week.
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So I'm always.
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Learning, And I'm just really you know, appreciative of, like
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you said, where the podcast uh has has went and
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what it's you know, what has happened because of it
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having that fraternity of friends and uh and that's gotten
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bigger over the course of eight years obviously, and uh
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including yourself, right and getting to know you and and
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talking with you at the show and and and that
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sort of thing or not at the show like we
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are now we're or even off off air if you will,
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And uh, you know, you can't put a price on
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stuff like that. Again, you're doing you know, you're still
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doing content. I'm gonna put you a little bit on
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the spot. Do you think could you bring the shallow
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end back at some point, maybe you know, after after
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a hiatus, if you will, maybe you say, hey, I
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want to I want.
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To do this again, do this podcast again.
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I could, it would not be a weekly show anymore. Again,
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I don't want to have the obligation. So so much
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of what you do when you put on content is
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you want to be consistent, right, you know that you
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want to be there. You don't want to have people
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come to enjoy your show and give you their time,
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which is the most precious thing. But you can make
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more money, you can work out and get healthier, but
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you can't make more time. So when they are giving
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you their time, you want to be there. But at
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the same time, I would probably want to do it.
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Maybe you know, I'd say hey, the second Thursday of
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every month or something along those lines if I did
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it on my In my last episode, I referenced, I'm
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not saying I'm anywhere near her level by it. I
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was talked about Oprah right, So Oprah had her show
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for f teen twenty years, however long it was, and
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then she ended it.
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I do like you more than Oprah. Not did I
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thank you, but I do well.
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I appreciate that I appreciate that that thank you. But
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then but then she ended her show. But then all
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of a sudden, randomly, six months later, there was like
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the Oprah special where she did an interview with someone
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and she just felt like she wanted to do it again.
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And so what I what I've thought about is if
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the Shallowin does back, it wouldn't be called the Shallow End.
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It would be called like the shallow End interviews or something,
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right where just once a month I reach out to
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someone and hope they want to talk to me because
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they're interesting, and then I can bring their perspective to
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the overall hobby. But as of right now, I've got
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no intention of bringing it back as a weekly show
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anytime soon or maybe ever.
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I had to ask, and I'm sort of politic and
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for like, hey, just keep that in your back pocket
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if you ever want to, you know, bring it back.
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But you know that's true. You can bring it back,
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like you said, even in a different form. If that's
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the case, right, it's still you right at the helm
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and behind the mic, if that's what you use to do.
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You are listening to the sportscard Nation podcast. We'll be
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right back after this break.
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I gotta ask you this because I want to sort
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of compare notes. What and it doesn't mean yet you
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don't enjoy, but what was like your least favorite thing
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about doing the podcast, and now all you want to
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add mine after I hear it might even be the
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same for I don't know you're for me.
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For me, it was post production.
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So the way that I would the way that I
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would do it is I except for when I did
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the essays, I wrote those out, But for the most part,
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I would script my intro thirty seconds to say what
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the show is about, and then I would just talk
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with some notes. I'd have my notes and I would
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just kind of go. But then when it was over,
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I would have to go back and listen to it
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so I could edit it and put everything together like
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a theme song and the transition sounds. But then I
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had to do it a third time, in which I
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would listen to it in my car on the way
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to or from work to make sure it all sounded good.
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So essentially I felt like I was doing it three times,
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and I was so tired of it by the end.
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I genuinely don't like the sound of my voice. It's fine,
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I've gotten past like whatever, I deal with it, but
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to hear the same episode with your same voice three
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times it was just too much. But I didn't want
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to scale back because then the level of quality might
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go down, right, So step one was recorded, step two
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was edited, and step three was make sure it's all there.
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And there was two times, I think where I didn't
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do that because I was just in a hurry. One
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time turned out fine. The other time I uploaded the
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wrong file. And so it was it was an outtake.
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Excuse me, it was an outtake where I had to
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stop and restart. But you hear me pausing, you hear
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me clearing my throat, you hear me swearing. I'm like, ahh,
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I like that. I didn't have to start over that.
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And that went up for about forty five minutes until
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I hit play in the morning it came out to
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listen to it, I thought, what would I Oh god,
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you know, and I went back and I jumped onto
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the you know, to the back end system, and I
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pulled it down and I put.
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Up the correct one.
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But the one time, you know, one of the few
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times I didn't do it, that's what happened. And that's
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why I was so I was so dedicated to the
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back end as much as I was to the front end.
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And so that was by far my least favorite part.
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I I love I'm so appreciative of you asking me
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here because it's so much fun to talk. But I
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also like being a guest on someone show because when
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i'm off, I'm done, right, I can just go off
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and do something else. I don't have to think about
486
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:24.759
the uploading, the editing, the sounds, sound quality, all of
487
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.359
that stuff, and so I just I don't I don't
488
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.160
miss that. That's where that's what took the most time,
489
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.079
in fact, and so that's where I got most of
490
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.359
my time back.
491
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.079
You stole my answer, but I think for obvious reasons,
492
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.680
it's both of our answers, and to make you feel better, Dave,
493
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:43.680
I've done stuff like that too, where probably more than once,
494
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.000
but someone said, hey man, you ran like there was
495
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.680
an ad that ran twice or something happened where like
496
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.240
something shouldn't have been in that episode like you said,
497
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.359
it didn't flows I put I uploaded the wrong file,
498
00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.400
much like you said, and it actually went to like
499
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.559
I didn't catch it myself. I got it was it
500
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.000
was out it was out there. I'm not gonna lie
501
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.759
about it. It was out there for the masses to intake.
502
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.680
I gotta and frankly, if no one would have said anything.
503
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.160
I might have caught it when I listened to it,
504
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.000
but I don't always listen to it the same day
505
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.920
I released it necessary so, but someone messaged me probably
506
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.720
two to three hours, uh like early in the morning
507
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.640
after I released it, and like, John.
508
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:26.000
Did you know this?
509
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.960
Like I don't you do obviously or you wouldn't have uh,
510
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.839
And I pulled like you like you said that brought
511
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.200
back memories. I actually took it down that way, no51200:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.640
one had to hear the mistake, fixed the episode, and51300:25:38.720 --> 00:25:40.880
re upload it. I think I even put like in51400:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.920
my intro, like hey, uh, sorry that this is coming out,51500:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.799
like for those that didn't even hear the initial episode,51600:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.359
sorry this has come out late. I'm very transparent, so51700:25:51.400 --> 00:25:53.319
I don't want to act like, hey, it didn't happen,51800:25:53.559 --> 00:25:53.839
you know.51900:25:54.079 --> 00:25:57.240
Like it was out there like my bad. I fixed it.52000:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.880
That's why this this part is a little bit later52100:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.200
for those who are looking for it earlier and didn't52200:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.400
see it, or you know that gap when I took52300:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.119
the old first fouled out and then fixed it and whatnot.52400:26:09.400 --> 00:26:09.559
You know.52500:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.799
I've had people say that's one of the things they52600:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.720
like is I try to be transparent and honest and52700:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.559
genuine and like, hey, we're human, right, we make mistakes, right,52800:26:18.640 --> 00:26:19.079
that's the.52900:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.200
Beauty of being a human.53000:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.960
And but like you said, Dave, you took the words53100:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.279
right out of my mouth, right the posts, Like this53200:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.920
stuff is fun me talking to you and whoever the53300:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.799
guest is on whatever particular episode. That's always a fun part.53400:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.319
But it's that post production and editing and it takes53500:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.880
me less time now because some of those tools I've implemented,53600:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.319
but it's still you know, truth be told. Like you53700:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.559
just said, it's my least favorite part as well. And53800:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.359
it's funny. I'm sure got you still get them. I53900:26:49.400 --> 00:26:51.720
still get them, you know, I get an email, Hey,54000:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.559
we can do all the editing and post production for54100:26:55.720 --> 00:27:00.319
your podcast. You know, obviously it's not for free, and like,54200:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.720
who do you think I am Joe Rogan? Like you know,54300:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.920
uh to you know, we're not doing this the show54400:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.079
for for financial game. There is some you know, again54500:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.480
being transparent, I do have sponsors and whatnot, but I54600:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.759
can't pay like someone to do all the post production54700:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.400
and editing. I'm not at that level. That's like a54800:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.920
Joe Rogan to me, that's like a Joe Rogan level54900:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.279
so so, but I always get a kick out of55000:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.720
when when you know, uh, sometimes I just delete them.55100:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.119
Other times, if I'm in a playful sort of mood,55200:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.039
I'll just play along and like, Hey, what is this entail?55300:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.000
And what and what does you know? What does this cost?55400:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.920
And the amount like one hundred, you know, two hundred55500:27:38.960 --> 00:27:39.960
dollars an episode.55600:27:40.039 --> 00:27:41.720
I'm like, what who do you think I am?55700:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.079
You know? So, but it's always it's always funny and uh,55800:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.279
you know, I still get those, uh you know, at55900:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.319
least once a week, if not, if not more, But uh,56000:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.160
I wish someone would do it for free.56100:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.680
I'm all, I'm all about that.56200:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.039
But you know, even then it's funny after saying that,56300:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.599
I don't know if I'd even do that, right, because like,56400:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.559
you gotta trust somebody that they're gonna do what you56500:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.039
would want to do right, and so doing it yourself right,56600:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.599
you put those personal touches on there. But at the56700:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.279
same time, you know, I wish I was like you know,56800:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.279
in Bewitch, where I could just wiggle my nose and56900:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.759
it would just all be all be done. No such57000:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.000
no such luck though that was just a TV show.57100:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.319
But uh, I get it and right, and I I adventure.57200:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.200
I guess like the most fun is, like I just said,57300:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.640
talking to folks or sharing your thoughts and that sort.57400:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.599
Of Oh yeah, that's that's the whole point of this, right.57500:28:34.680 --> 00:28:34.839
You know.57600:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.559
It's like as a kid collecting, you'd you'd go, you'd.57700:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.640
Ride your bike to the seven eleven or whatever your57800:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.799
your store was, wherever you were, and you'd buy a57900:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.119
few packs for cheap. You buy a slurpy or soda58000:28:46.240 --> 00:28:47.960
or something, and you go back and you all just58100:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.720
open up your cards and talk about them and and58200:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.960
just trade, you know, trade each other or just or58300:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.599
get jealous because someone else happened to pull uh you know,58400:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.519
uh an Ozzie Smith or Don Mattingley or something like that.58500:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.319
And then we would train and it was fun. And58600:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.319
that's that's kind of what we've got to do as adults.58700:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.799
We have different responsibilities and and a lot of our58800:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.319
physical friends. But you know by that, I mean like58900:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.160
people who were, you know, in our neighborhood, but they59000:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.880
don't collect, right, And so the way to talk about59100:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.720
cards is this, And I think talking about cards is59200:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.680
so much fun, man, I like it. It's part of59300:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.160
it's part of the collecting like. To me, the collecting59400:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.119
part is finding what you like, acquiring what you like,59500:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.240
building a collection that you like, but then talking about59600:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.640
it as well with your with your buddies. And I59700:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.440
wouldn't I wouldn't change that for the world.59800:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.720
Yeah, no, doubt always.59900:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.200
That's why I always say, right, we're in the you know,60000:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.200
we might all go to like different colleges per se,60100:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.960
with different ways we collect, but we're all in the60200:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.839
same fraternity at the end. You know, I wanted to60300:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.319
get your take on this too. You know, I know60400:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.359
a lot of people like to appoint themselves like hobby60500:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.279
watchdogs or gatekeepers. The more polite term is watchdog, a60600:29:57.400 --> 00:30:02.519
derogatory one, and I've always said, like, we're all hobby watchdog.60700:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.480
We should all be out helping each other out right.60800:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.519
I don't think you need to self appoint yourself that60900:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.240
or I'm this and you're not right. We all should61000:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.000
be looking out for everyone's well being in the hobby, right,61100:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.000
because I like people in the hobby.61200:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.920
I don't want someone to have.61300:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.680
A bad experience, get burnt, or be unhappy about something61400:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.000
and leave, right. And when someone new comes in the hobby,61500:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.480
I want him to stay for the long haul, much61600:30:28.559 --> 00:30:32.079
like I did, you know, starting in nineteen seventy nine.61700:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.519
So I always say, like, we're all hobby watchdog. We61800:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.119
don't need to put a title on it. You don't61900:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.920
need to like appoint yourself that you know, And sometimes62000:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.680
it would bother me when someone would say I'm the62100:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.559
hobby watchdog, and you know, it always sort of I'm62200:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.880
like we all are and I don't even like have62300:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.839
to say it, but we all should like be thinking, like, hey,62400:30:53.880 --> 00:30:55.759
we all need to look out for one another. If62500:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.960
I can tell you something, Dave, that's gonna help you62600:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.160
or prevent you from going down a road that maybe62700:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.799
doesn't end well, Like, why wouldn't I share that info62800:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.160
or try to help you out. I don't need to62900:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.160
put a title on that. It's just information. Was that63000:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.920
something in your cognizant? Or am I just being nippicky63100:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.000
which I can be sometimes?63200:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.759
Yeah, I don't know.63300:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.319
It was never really my intention, But I like the63400:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.519
way that you put it from the perspective that you're63500:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.799
coming and that whether we want to or not, we're63600:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.599
all sort of a hobby watchdog as long as our63700:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.920
intentions are good. But that's never how I approached it.63800:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.480
What I want to do is I approached it from63900:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.200
one putting out the kind of content that I would64000:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.200
want to listen to, and the second one was sort64100:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.119
of not sort of, but actually being there as a64200:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.319
collector who has a show, so when the noise got64300:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.519
to be too much, you could always retreat to my64400:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.640
show to get back to your roots of what collecting is.64500:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.119
Most of my two undred episode is probably one hundred64600:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.279
and ninety six of them you could listen to now64700:31:58.400 --> 00:31:59.799
and you wouldn't know if it came out three years64800:31:59.839 --> 00:32:05.240
ago or today, because they were essentially, for the most part, evergreen.64900:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.359
So I don't I would I would say no, I65000:32:07.359 --> 00:32:08.160
was not a watchdog.65100:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.480
I was more like a like a like a safe65200:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.079
haven of places where people could return. I was like65300:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.440
the old the old inn with the fireplace, you know,65400:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.960
come in and put up your feet and have someone65500:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.759
can get you some soup and you can warm up65600:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.400
and remember like, oh, okay, this is what this is65700:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.119
all I needed right here. I didn't need all the65800:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.160
invest in this or here's the scandal of the day65900:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.359
and oh my gosh, can you believe it? SGC was66000:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.559
sold and now where's Peter and now they shrunk, and66100:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.519
now that got spot God, who cares. I just want66200:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.319
to get back to the cards, and so I just66300:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.960
tried to be that warm chair with the fireplace next66400:32:42.000 --> 00:32:42.240
to him.66500:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.839
Well, listen coming, I'll tell you this is I want66600:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.519
to listen to your show. You did, ah, you nailed66700:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.759
or you did a great job. And and you know66800:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.799
when when when I knew, when I realized, like, hey,66900:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.400
you're you're kind of ending that, I was like, no,67000:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.240
you know, like I really didn't want to, you know,67100:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.279
but but doing this. But at the same time, David here,67200:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.519
I'll give you doing this I get. I also understood67300:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.920
it too, because from my own thoughts and internal process,67400:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.640
I got it. So I didn't want to be you know,67500:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.599
I know I reached out to you, but I didn't67600:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.200
want to from a selfish point of view say oh,67700:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.319
you can't do this, or because I'm like I wanted67800:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.839
you to know I enjoyed your content.67900:33:20.079 --> 00:33:21.960
I'm sad, but I.68000:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.359
Also didn't you know, I think it's a little like,68100:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.079
don't do it, like you don't know what someone's dealing68200:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.799
with right behind the scenes. Maybe it's something you didn't68300:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.359
even share, maybe it's God forbid. But like something you68400:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.319
just didn't want to share, and then this is just68500:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.960
part of that process. So I'll never I never really68600:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.000
do that, but you know what I mean, But I68700:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.440
get it, and I know we talked about it and68800:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.240
then I wanted you to you know, I would have68900:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.720
you out anyway. But it's not just because you ended69000:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.759
that show, but uh, you know, to talk about it69100:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.440
and because we kind of share.69200:33:53.920 --> 00:33:54.119
Uh.69300:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.559
You know, obviously we both know what you know this entails,69400:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.440
and those sometimes an internal battles you have with yourself, right,69500:34:03.759 --> 00:34:04.279
we all have.69600:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.119
I don't care who you are.69700:34:06.119 --> 00:34:10.519
Right, you Me, Jeremy Lee, whoever it is, right, it's69800:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.880
it can be time consuming. It's a commitment, right, especially69900:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.920
if you're doing it like this show, which is every week.70000:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.639
So I fully get it. You know when you look70100:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.320
at the hot the current state of the hobby, you70200:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.519
know we got fanatics taking three fourths of the license scene.70300:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.559
You know, we've heard Rubens say, and I know you70400:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.039
don't protect this as in particularly label. You're a smart guy,70500:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.599
so I wanted to pick your brain here, right, and70600:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.039
you got your finger on the pulse enough where you70700:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.840
can answer that. You know, we see fanatics, you know,70800:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.440
with most of the licensing now, with the exception of hockey,70900:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.000
of the four major sports, we see what's happening in71000:34:50.079 --> 00:34:54.199
the grading space with delays and lower pricing levels sort71100:34:54.239 --> 00:34:59.360
of being pause and or eliminated. When we Michael Rubin, hey,71200:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.199
we want to next the hobby when you heat, When71300:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.880
you see all this, you hear like, what's your view71400:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.159
on Like, even though it may not affect you by71500:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.719
the way you collect, what are your feelings to you71600:35:10.760 --> 00:35:11.800
know where the hobby is.71700:35:11.920 --> 00:35:12.679
It's a good question.71800:35:13.119 --> 00:35:13.320
You know.71900:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.199
I never talked about it on my show, but I72000:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.159
always paid attention to what's going on, and you know,72100:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.920
I have opinions and thoughts, and I think what I72200:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.840
think about most now is I just I hope that72300:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.360
I hope that collect the collectors are able to get72400:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.840
what they want and get what they need and are72500:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.559
able to focus on what they want to focus on.72600:35:32.360 --> 00:35:33.119
The question that.72700:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.960
Burns in my mind often is what is what is72800:35:37.039 --> 00:35:41.880
the hobby now? Is the hobby collecting cards or is72900:35:41.880 --> 00:35:46.400
there a separate hobby in which the hobby is investing73000:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.920
and making returns on cards as quickly as you can?73100:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.719
And sports cards just happened to be the vehicle for that,73200:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.920
and it could be stamps, and it could be watches73300:35:57.079 --> 00:36:02.119
or shoes or furniture or anything else. How will how73400:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.679
will someone getting into the hobby today a kid look73500:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.920
back at it in the year twenty seventy, Will they73600:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.440
look back at their hobby as I think a lot73700:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.280
of them will. We're like, oh, I got to collect73800:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.800
my favorite players, like I don't know, like a Trevor73900:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.519
Lawrence or or or whoever you know any other athlete74000:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.559
playing now loud Jordan Walker or will it be? It's like, oh,74100:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.639
that was a great summer back in twenty six I74200:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.639
made fourteen K, you know, so like, really, what is74300:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.039
the hobby now? I don't think that the hobby is dying.74400:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.039
I just think that there are two hobbies occupying the74500:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.760
same space, and one hobby is car collecting and the74600:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.960
other one is making money with cards. And it's really74700:36:41.039 --> 00:36:45.119
interesting trying to watch those two work in tandem with74800:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.719
each other. It's like the Ghostbusters don't cross the streams,74900:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.599
but they've been cross and it affects collectors and that75000:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.039
jacks up prices on them, but also affects investors because75100:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.400
who controls some of the card you know, it's so.75200:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.400
But we have to learned to all swim in the75300:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.280
same c together.75400:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.639
So I don't say in mind all the business stuff75500:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.360
I I didn't. I don't know who owned tops before Fanatics.75600:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.719
I just thought there was some specter up in the75700:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.280
air that owned it. I don't have no idea.75800:37:14.639 --> 00:37:15.400
And now we know that.75900:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.320
It's uh like Mayhan and and Rubin above him, and76000:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.639
they're doing fine. They have too many parallels and they76100:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.000
probably overprint. But that's just my my preference in terms76200:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.760
of the grading. You know, I know they changed it76300:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.320
about a year and a half ago. Mayhan, not Mayheon,76400:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.199
one of them. No, that's that's that's wrong. Group the76500:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.719
president of p s A, not not collectors, not not76600:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.880
but the PSA P Yeah, but the person, the person76700:37:41.920 --> 00:37:43.079
the p s A specifically.76800:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.239
Now, I know what you're talking about. And his name76900:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.760
is it's it's I can't think of it, but I.77000:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.679
Know he's He's Mantle, may Is on Instagram. I know77100:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.239
that May's Mantle on Instagram.77200:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.440
And and you know Natt was saying, oh, no, our77300:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.800
grading didn't change, we're just adhering to our standards more77400:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.639
and two seconds later, right right, And an hour and77500:38:02.639 --> 00:38:03.000
a half.77600:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.800
Later proper credit, rather than just saying that.77700:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.920
Yeah, absolutely great, thanks right right. So that turn goes,77800:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.320
our standards haven't changed, we're just enforcing them better, and77900:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.000
Ryan Hoge comes and goes, here's how our standards have changed,78000:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.840
and like, wait, what's even going on here? But I'm78100:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.519
all for a ten being really hard to get. A78200:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.400
pen should be really really really hard to get. What's78300:38:22.480 --> 00:38:26.280
jamming everything up, though, is is like everyone else knows78400:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.800
it's TCG and it's Pokemon, and it's not sports cards78500:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.119
at all. And from what I've read and looked at myself,78600:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.480
the number of sports cards that are graded now are78700:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.280
identical to the number that are being graded a year ago.78800:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.719
But the number of cards overall have gone up so78900:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.280
much that it has got to come from somewhere, and79000:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.880
so it's you know, it's TCG and that's just sort79100:38:46.920 --> 00:38:47.800
of is what it is.79200:38:47.880 --> 00:38:48.440
I don't. I don't.79300:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.159
I've heard some people say they should separate it out79400:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.199
and have a separate company or a separate area for79500:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.320
TCG to be graded.79600:38:55.599 --> 00:38:56.760
But where does that stop?79700:38:56.920 --> 00:39:00.559
Because if you do that, then the football collectors are79800:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.920
going to say, well, well how about we separate baseball79900:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.199
because there's too much of that. And then basketball say80000:39:05.199 --> 00:39:06.760
we let's put football because there's too much of that,80100:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.840
and hockey will say, now there's too much of that.80200:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.800
So it is what it is. They're all trading cards.80300:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.760
Some people like Pokemon, which is great, some like TCGs,80400:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.320
some like Magic the Gathering, some like hockey, some like football,80500:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.960
some like baseball. There's just a lot going on right now,80600:39:20.119 --> 00:39:24.320
and the infrastructure hasn't caught up yet. They the hobby80700:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.760
has been grown, but the hobby industrial complex did not80800:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.119
grow with it, and now we're dealing with the backlog.80900:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.599
Yeah, no, I agree. That's that's a good way of81000:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.280
putting it, right. It's like the hobby's grown, but like81100:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.280
you said, the internal functions have had a hard time81200:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.400
keeping up with that growth. And I also like, you know,81300:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.880
the CEA analogy, right, it's a big sea, right, you81400:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.880
can you can be in your own section if you will.81500:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.840
You know, there's like we know in real life, right,81600:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.599
there's all differencies, the Atlantic, Gocific, Mediterranean, Black.81700:39:55.039 --> 00:39:56.039
So whatever your.81800:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.880
Sea is, right, you can be in there with folks81900:39:58.920 --> 00:40:03.440
that are so elk and and ways they collect. And82000:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.480
that's I guess at the end of the day. That's82100:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.840
the beauty of the Hobby. That concludes part one of82200:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.360
my conversation with Dave Schwartz from The Shallow And and82300:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.159
Dave's just a great down.82400:40:16.960 --> 00:40:17.599
To earth guy.82500:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.119
Uh and uh, you know, I I gravitate towards folks82600:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.119
like that because I try to be like that or82700:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.920
I feel like I'm like that. So uh, come back82800:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.920
next week for for part two. And again Dave is82900:40:30.960 --> 00:40:36.440
still producing content. He just Sunset the Shallow End, and83000:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.199
next week I think we're gonna get more into even83100:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.280
the reasons why. So uh stay tuned for for.83200:40:45.199 --> 00:40:54.679
That time for all the People of the week. So everyone,83300:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.440
it's Brodie the Kid. Always remember the Hobby is the people.83400:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.280
If you'd like to be the Hobby is the people83500:41:03.280 --> 00:41:04.400
announcer of the week.83600:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.800
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