Aug. 14, 2026

Iowa Dave Schwartz "Cutting Back Content" E401

Iowa Dave Schwartz "Cutting Back Content" E401
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Dave Schwartz keeps it real while being one of the nicest guys the hobby has to offer. He's recently cut back on content and we delve into what led to that decision.


Talking Points may include:

*Sunsetting "The Shallow End".

*Making content for all.

*Does podcasting change how you colllect.

*Current hobby thoughts.

*Most and least fun of content creation.

*Creators too big for britches.

*Future plans.


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Sports guard Nation, Hobbies, the People, weely News and Interviews.

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Hobby is the people.

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Sports Guardation. What is up? Everybody?

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Welcome to episode four one of Sportscardination. We celebrated our

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four hundredth episode last week with a giveaway, and we

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gave We gave out a contest word on an episode

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which you had to get to.

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Me in either PM DM or email. Fashion.

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I'm gonna give it another week before we actually draw

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the randomized for the six prizes the winners. You know,

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not everyone, I get it. Not everyone listens to the

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episode on release day. We do have some entries for sure,

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but I want to give everyone apple time. I don't

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want anyone to say, hey, you know you did it

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too fast, right? You know, I'm busy. I don't listen

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to the episode on day one. So I'm gonna give

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it probably to this coming Friday for everyone to get

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the entries in. If you're not in, how do you

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get in? Listen to episode four hundred. Somewhere in the episode, I.

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Will give you a hint.

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It's not at the beginning. There will be a contest word.

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Get that contest word to us and you were entered.

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Everyone entered will be put on the randomizer list for

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one of six prizes. I don't want anyone winning more

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than once, so once there will be six different winners.

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And again we'll do that in about a week. Let's

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talk about this episode. My guest on this show Dave

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Schwartz from The Shallow End. He's kind of sunseted that podcast,

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but he's doing other content as well. He's not writing

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off into the Sunset, but a great show. For one

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thing I appreciated about that show was for really the

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everyday collector and wanted to talk to him about, you know,

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the thought process when he knew, you know, as a

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fellow podcaster, you know, what was the toughest thing about podcasting,

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what was the most fun and that sort of thing.

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So I picked his brain to you know, get some

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behind the scenes or some insights about him and the

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show he's been on. He's an alumnus of the show

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he's been on prior, but with that happening recently, I

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wanted to get him on. So he's our guest this

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week and next week. As we do always continue to

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do double episodes to keep the you know time all

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meant more consumable. Before we get the show start, I

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want to thank all our great sponsors. Some of that

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contributed to the giveaway that was ongoing. Stc Iron, Sports Cards,

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Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby Hotline, Upper Deck, Card Ladder and

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CTCA that starts by Trading Card Association. So with all

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that being said, let's kick this thing off.

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Attention Sportscard Nation viewers. What up, kids, it's your boy, Scott.

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Hansen from NFL Red Zone.

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All We're back.

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Fall is back, the hobby never ends, and before you

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know it, I'm gonna be on your screen again, rocking

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that onco box, knocking the bottom out of the Witching

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Hour and announce in seven hours of Red Zone football.

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But as you watch red Zone, just save some time Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Friday Saturday to check out John It's Sports Cardination.

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Let's have a great season.

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Pep Real happy to have the next gentleman on the

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Sports Cardination guest line.

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It's not his first time.

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He is a returning guest and he's a podcaster and

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content creator in his own right, and I'm happy to

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call him also a friend and happy to have him

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back on Dave Schwartz.

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Welcome back, Hey John.

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It's great to be here. Great to be back.

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When I first got back into cards, you were one

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of the first people who I found, and you helped

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kind of bring me back to life in this hobby.

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So I love talking with you. It's great to be here.

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Well, I appreciate that, and coming from you even all

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the more so. You're not out of podcasting per se.

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But you know, you had a great show to Shallow End,

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which I know you just sun set it three year

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run almost three years twenty three to twenty six here,

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and one thing I loved about the show and your

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content was it was for ever, for everybody, everyday collector,

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and it's something I try to do. Frankly, and I'm

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being very honest here, I think you do even do

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a better job than I do, because sometimes I'll have

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a guest that's from the corporate world, and not that

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there's anything wrong with that, but you really made content

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that everyone could relate to and made it seem seamless.

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And so my hat's off off to you there. When

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when you started A Shallow Wind, was that something you

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had in mind right from Jump Street?

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It was in fact, that's even the story behind the name.

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So when I got going, uh, you know, I was

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asked if I wanted to do a podcast, and this

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was by you know, the artists formerly known as the

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sports Car Therapist, right Rob G And he said, you know,

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would you want to be on my network? He asked me,

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what do you want to do a show? And immediately

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I came back with no. And the reason why is

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I had no immediate ideas. I just I'd done a

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podcast before in a different market. It was like in

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a is about books, right, and I don't like the

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sound of my own voice. But then as I thought

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about it, and it took about a week, I got

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back to him. I said, actually, yeah, let's give it

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a shot. He says, what do you want to be about?

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I came back immediately the shallow end, But let's do

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a podcast about the rest of us, which is also

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the most of us.

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I think, you know, the.

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Seven figure sales are allegedly interesting, but really I think

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the one I'll relate to and want to talk about

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are just the fun pickups. I love when I'm on

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Instagram or a social or somewhere and someone sends me

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a pick of Hey, look what I picked up, and

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you know it's for their PC and it cost them

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twelve dollars. Like that is that's almost more exciting than

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you know, first round draft picked d jure, you know,

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prism black, finite vinyl, one of one gold. You know,

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we get it right, But it's when somebody is working

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towards something and the cost of the card matters so

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much less than just being able to fit that into

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what they're trying to build.

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Yeah, no doubt, and you know that upper echelon, if

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you will.

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The hobby.

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You know, it does make headlines, but when you really

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you know, bear it out. And I don't mean this

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in a negative way, but it's really like two percent

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of the overall hobby, right. The other ninety eight percent

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are guys like us that are are you know, we

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collect what we we love and like or something that's

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nostalgic or brings back memories to maybe our younger days,

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if you will, And not that they don't. You know

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that that two percent isn't the same, but you know

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the majority is playing with lesser discrectionary income, if you will.

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Maybe that's the polite way to say it. And so

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and I knew that you know, but like you said,

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with the name of the show itself, to to kind

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of drive that debt point home, you know, you know

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when you when you decided to you know, kind of

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sunset the show and you do another show called Overthinking

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Baseball Card. So it's not like you're right off into

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the on set and we'll never see you again, which

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which that's a that's a good thing. But when you

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decided sort of to put you know, the shallow endto bed,

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how much did you wrestle with that or was it

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actually easier than people may think.

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No, that's a really good question.

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I had almost ended it about six months earlier, so

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I almost ended it at the end of twenty five.

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I was just tired of it. I was tired of

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coming up with content. Work was really, really busy, and

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for the first time, it felt like something I had

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to do instead of something that I wanted to do.

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And had a conversation behind the scenes with a few

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people about it and they said, take a break, don't quit,

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and I did. I took three or four weeks off

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and then came back and running. I was just reinvigorated.

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But then it started to hit me again, you know,

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in the spring, like, Okay, I think I've taken this

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about as far as I can take it, not you know,

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not you know, having a podcast, but that podcast in particular.

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And then I looked at it realized, oh, the method,

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I was coming up on two hundred episodes, and I

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thought I was maybe twelve away, and I thought that'd

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be a real nice round number to say that the

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show lasts two hundred episodes. And so I mapped it

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out and saw, you know, about when that would end,

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and I think it was mid to late May. I

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didn't want it to interfere with the National too much

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because we get lost, and that timing just seemed perfect,

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and so I said, all right, I'm going to do that.

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But I didn't tell anybody until I was five weeks out,

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and then I put out the show saying, you know,

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five more and then I'm done.

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And no, no regrets.

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You know, it's only been six weeks, seven weeks since

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I ended it, but I'm glad that I did. I

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do do the Overthinking Baseball Card Show with Jason who's

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at Contrarian Cards, and that's about once a month, which

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is a nice pace. And past week or two I

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also started one called Sports Cards the card Cast with

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Pat who is insta account have her, And one thing

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I like about is it's nice to have someone to

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chat with who who we have like interests and like

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philosophies and like trains of thought. But also we don't

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need to do it all that often, you know, maybe

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once a week. I'm sorry, once a month, once every

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few weeks or so, because this isn't.

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Isn't my job.

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I have a job, and I have a long coots

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and kids and everything else, and so this way I

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don't resent it so much. Plus I could to scratch

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another itch, So you know, Jason and I get to

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go really deep into conversations on overthinking baseball cards, and

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Pat and I get to have a little fun on

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Sports Cards the Cardcast. And it's just just a little

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bit different, and it's different and it's new, and it

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feels exciting to me. And it's a little bit less frequent,

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so every time feels fresh and fun.

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Yeah, and that's good to hear like that. You're in

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a good place, right And when I first even doing

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this podcast, Dave and I've talked about this on this

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podcast before, and I'll make this story a lot shorter

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when I was in the episodes in the numbers in

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the fifties and sixties, I really was getting sort of

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time consumed by it. And again I told the story before,

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so I apologize for those I've heard it, but I

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came you know, I'm upstairs. This is where I do

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the recording this, all my cards are around me. And

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I came down one night and my wife said, Hi,

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my name is Eron. What's your name? And it was

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her polite way of saying, like, man, you are upstairs

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a lot.

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You know what's going on. And you know, sometimes you

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need something like that to hit.

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You don't even realize that, right, You don't even realize

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that until someone It's almost I hate to use this analogy,

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but it's almost like intervention right where you don't know

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there's an issue until someone else says, hey, you know,

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like what are you doing?

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What's going on? Why are you doing it?

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And I was just very consumed by it and and

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just into it. And it's just a lot of time

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and I was taking me away from other things. And

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you know that that line for my wife really opened

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my eyes to hey, how can I don't want to?

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I know, I enjoyed it Obviously.

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I'm spending all this time on it, right, you got

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you got enjoyed if you're doing doing that, spending that

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much time on it.

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But how can I still do it and maybe you know, be.

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More efficient at it with time and and and there

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was some things that I didn't know.

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I'm still learning, Dave, you know, but there was things

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that I did a little research.

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How do I edit and do it fast?

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And all those things and you know, again, I'll make

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the story shorter. And I started implementing some of those

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things and really got back to where, you know, baseline,

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where I should have been. And I think I'm better

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for obviously my family, like part of my life is

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better for it. But I also because I don't spend

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the same amount of time like that, I think I

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appreciate it more too.

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Burnout can is a term that can be applied to anything,

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a job, a family, podcast, whatever, playing sports or a

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certain sport. You can get burnout can apply to any

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of those things. And I think had I continued down

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that road, I was headed in that direction. And sometimes

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it takes someone else to say hey, like what's going

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on and to kind of like turn the light on

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for you. And that's exactly what happened. And I'm glad,

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you know, I'm glad she my wife had said something,

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and uh, you know, so here we are, you know,

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almost at four hundred episodes, which is which is nuts

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to me as well. Like like you probably when you started,

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I had no idea how long it was gonna last.

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How long.

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You know, when we even started, we didn't even have guests.

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It was just me, which is not what the other

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show I do, I'll Be Quick Kids, has become where

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it's just just me.

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me as well.

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And you know, so also when I started this show,

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I wasn't in teaching like I am nowadave, and I

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had a job that.

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Literally I'm not even like people in bed that's my

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hours and it was just killing me and I needed

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a career. And then doing the podcast on top of that,

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that's where some of the commentary from.

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My wife came.

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Now I have you know, now I'm more like eight

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to three o'clock and I just better off for nothing else.

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but did podcasting change how you collected?

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Did it? Did it influence how you collected or not? Necessarily?

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it did change is my overall experience in the hobby,

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and that allowed me to meet some people, which was

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really important. When my collecting hiatus was over, I used

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to say I was out of the hobby, but then

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Mike Monahan always says, as long as you have cars,

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you're never out of the hobby. You just take a

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long hiatus. So when my you know, decades long hiatus

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was over and I came back, at first I just

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learned about it through podcasts, kind of what I was doing,

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what the different sets were, and how the business was

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run now and what's this grading thing?

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And then from there I moved into Twitter.

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Actually I wasn't even on Instagram yet, and I started

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selling over and buying and selling over Twitter for a while,

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low end type stuff, and that place turned into a

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cesspool pretty quick, and so I just leaded my account

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and moved on from it. And this is what it was,

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still Twitter, And then I thought I felt really lonely,

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and there's something that happens with men as they get older,

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in that they tend to isolate a lot. They tend

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to kind of just go into the shell and become loaners.

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And I felt that happening a little bit, and so

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I joined Instagram and tried to meet some people and

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it was great, and chatted with some of their folks

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here and there, and then when the podcast opportunity came,

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I thought, at first I thought no, but then I thought,

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maybe this is another way to reach out and make

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some connections. The cards were always there, and we're always

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evolving and what we like and how we do it.

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You know, sometimes we evolve fast and sometimes we you know,

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it's it's a long time to evolve. But what I

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appreciate most about the shallow and podcasts while it was

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going is because of that, now I've got people who

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I know and and friends who whether the podcast is

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going or not, that we have those connections now, and

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I just I feel a little bit more part of

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the world in a way. And I think I can

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thank podcasting for that.

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Yeah, I I you know, Concur one hundred percent right,

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It's funny because you know it's it's funny, you know,

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the National's coming up, and it never fails, and I'm

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always humbled by it. Right, someone, I'm just walking around

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trying to buy some cards and see friends that I know,

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but it always someone will like tap me on the

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shoulder and say, hey, John, like you don't know me,

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love the show, just wanted to shake your hand, and

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like I'm always amazed by that. Like I had one

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guy say, like, you're a celebrity.

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I'm like, I'm not. And I've said this on the.

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Show, Like until I go to my local supermarket and

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I'm grocery shopping and someone says, oh my god, it's you,

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which doesn't happen. That's my point. You know, I'm not

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a celebrity, but it always is is humbling. I'm flattered

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by it and I'm honored by it. But it's I

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always help when someone says that to me, I'm like,

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I put my pants on one leg at a time. Man,

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We're just in the We're in the same fraternity of

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card collecting.

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That's that's who we are, and that's that's I'm good

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with that.

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But I you know, I'm always appreciative of people who

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you know, are glad to meet me. Right beats the alternative,

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the other side of that coin. And but I you know,

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that was never like really a goal of mine. I

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just wanted to share my experiences, my hobby, ask questions,

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and also maybe the informative at the same time. Right.

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I always say, as long as you're in the hobby,

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you should.

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You're probably learning something every day, especially now in today's

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hobby where it changes uh so quickly, and there's something

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new around the corner it seems like every week.

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So I'm always.

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Learning, And I'm just really you know, appreciative of, like

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you said, where the podcast uh has has went and

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what it's you know, what has happened because of it

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having that fraternity of friends and uh and that's gotten

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bigger over the course of eight years obviously, and uh

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including yourself, right and getting to know you and and

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talking with you at the show and and and that

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sort of thing or not at the show like we

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are now we're or even off off air if you will,

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And uh, you know, you can't put a price on

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stuff like that. Again, you're doing you know, you're still

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doing content. I'm gonna put you a little bit on

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the spot. Do you think could you bring the shallow

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end back at some point, maybe you know, after after

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a hiatus, if you will, maybe you say, hey, I

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want to I want.

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To do this again, do this podcast again.

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I could, it would not be a weekly show anymore. Again,

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I don't want to have the obligation. So so much

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of what you do when you put on content is

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you want to be consistent, right, you know that you

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want to be there. You don't want to have people

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come to enjoy your show and give you their time,

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which is the most precious thing. But you can make

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more money, you can work out and get healthier, but

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you can't make more time. So when they are giving

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you their time, you want to be there. But at

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the same time, I would probably want to do it.

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Maybe you know, I'd say hey, the second Thursday of

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every month or something along those lines if I did

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it on my In my last episode, I referenced, I'm

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not saying I'm anywhere near her level by it. I

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was talked about Oprah right, So Oprah had her show

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for f teen twenty years, however long it was, and

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then she ended it.

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I do like you more than Oprah. Not did I

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thank you, but I do well.

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I appreciate that I appreciate that that thank you. But

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then but then she ended her show. But then all

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of a sudden, randomly, six months later, there was like

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the Oprah special where she did an interview with someone

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and she just felt like she wanted to do it again.

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And so what I what I've thought about is if

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the Shallowin does back, it wouldn't be called the Shallow End.

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It would be called like the shallow End interviews or something,

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right where just once a month I reach out to

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someone and hope they want to talk to me because

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they're interesting, and then I can bring their perspective to

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the overall hobby. But as of right now, I've got

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no intention of bringing it back as a weekly show

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anytime soon or maybe ever.

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I had to ask, and I'm sort of politic and

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for like, hey, just keep that in your back pocket

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if you ever want to, you know, bring it back.

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But you know that's true. You can bring it back,

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like you said, even in a different form. If that's

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the case, right, it's still you right at the helm

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and behind the mic, if that's what you use to do.

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You are listening to the sportscard Nation podcast. We'll be

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right back after this break.

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We own back.

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I gotta ask you this because I want to sort

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of compare notes. What and it doesn't mean yet you

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don't enjoy, but what was like your least favorite thing

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about doing the podcast, and now all you want to

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add mine after I hear it might even be the

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same for I don't know you're for me.

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For me, it was post production.

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So the way that I would the way that I

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would do it is I except for when I did

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the essays, I wrote those out, But for the most part,

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I would script my intro thirty seconds to say what

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the show is about, and then I would just talk

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with some notes. I'd have my notes and I would

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just kind of go. But then when it was over,

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I would have to go back and listen to it

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so I could edit it and put everything together like

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a theme song and the transition sounds. But then I

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had to do it a third time, in which I

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would listen to it in my car on the way

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to or from work to make sure it all sounded good.

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So essentially I felt like I was doing it three times,

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and I was so tired of it by the end.

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I genuinely don't like the sound of my voice. It's fine,

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I've gotten past like whatever, I deal with it, but

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to hear the same episode with your same voice three

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times it was just too much. But I didn't want

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to scale back because then the level of quality might

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go down, right, So step one was recorded, step two

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was edited, and step three was make sure it's all there.

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And there was two times, I think where I didn't

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do that because I was just in a hurry. One

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time turned out fine. The other time I uploaded the

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wrong file. And so it was it was an outtake.

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Excuse me, it was an outtake where I had to

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stop and restart. But you hear me pausing, you hear

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me clearing my throat, you hear me swearing. I'm like, ahh,

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I like that. I didn't have to start over that.

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And that went up for about forty five minutes until

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I hit play in the morning it came out to

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listen to it, I thought, what would I Oh god,

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you know, and I went back and I jumped onto

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the you know, to the back end system, and I

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pulled it down and I put.

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Up the correct one.

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But the one time, you know, one of the few

477
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.359
times I didn't do it, that's what happened. And that's

478
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:02.720
why I was so I was so dedicated to the

479
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.160
back end as much as I was to the front end.

480
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.519
And so that was by far my least favorite part.

481
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.920
I I love I'm so appreciative of you asking me

482
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:13.400
here because it's so much fun to talk. But I

483
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.279
also like being a guest on someone show because when

484
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.799
i'm off, I'm done, right, I can just go off

485
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.640
and do something else. I don't have to think about

486
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:24.759
the uploading, the editing, the sounds, sound quality, all of

487
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.359
that stuff, and so I just I don't I don't

488
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.160
miss that. That's where that's what took the most time,

489
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.079
in fact, and so that's where I got most of

490
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.359
my time back.

491
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.079
You stole my answer, but I think for obvious reasons,

492
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.680
it's both of our answers, and to make you feel better, Dave,

493
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:43.680
I've done stuff like that too, where probably more than once,

494
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.000
but someone said, hey man, you ran like there was

495
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.680
an ad that ran twice or something happened where like

496
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.240
something shouldn't have been in that episode like you said,

497
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.359
it didn't flows I put I uploaded the wrong file,

498
00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.400
much like you said, and it actually went to like

499
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.559
I didn't catch it myself. I got it was it

500
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.000
was out it was out there. I'm not gonna lie

501
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.759
about it. It was out there for the masses to intake.

502
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.680
I gotta and frankly, if no one would have said anything.

503
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.160
I might have caught it when I listened to it,

504
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.000
but I don't always listen to it the same day

505
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.920
I released it necessary so, but someone messaged me probably

506
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.720
two to three hours, uh like early in the morning

507
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.640
after I released it, and like, John.

508
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:26.000
Did you know this?

509
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.960
Like I don't you do obviously or you wouldn't have uh,

510
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.839
And I pulled like you like you said that brought

511
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.200
back memories. I actually took it down that way, no

512
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.640
one had to hear the mistake, fixed the episode, and

513
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:40.880
re upload it. I think I even put like in

514
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.920
my intro, like hey, uh, sorry that this is coming out,

515
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.799
like for those that didn't even hear the initial episode,

516
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.359
sorry this has come out late. I'm very transparent, so

517
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:53.319
I don't want to act like, hey, it didn't happen,

518
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:53.839
you know.

519
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:57.240
Like it was out there like my bad. I fixed it.

520
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.880
That's why this this part is a little bit later

521
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.200
for those who are looking for it earlier and didn't

522
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.400
see it, or you know that gap when I took

523
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.119
the old first fouled out and then fixed it and whatnot.

524
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:09.559
You know.

525
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.799
I've had people say that's one of the things they

526
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.720
like is I try to be transparent and honest and

527
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.559
genuine and like, hey, we're human, right, we make mistakes, right,

528
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:19.079
that's the.

529
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.200
Beauty of being a human.

530
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.960
And but like you said, Dave, you took the words

531
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.279
right out of my mouth, right the posts, Like this

532
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.920
stuff is fun me talking to you and whoever the

533
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.799
guest is on whatever particular episode. That's always a fun part.

534
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.319
But it's that post production and editing and it takes

535
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.880
me less time now because some of those tools I've implemented,

536
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.319
but it's still you know, truth be told. Like you

537
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.559
just said, it's my least favorite part as well. And

538
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.359
it's funny. I'm sure got you still get them. I

539
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:51.720
still get them, you know, I get an email, Hey,

540
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.559
we can do all the editing and post production for

541
00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:00.319
your podcast. You know, obviously it's not for free, and like,

542
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.720
who do you think I am Joe Rogan? Like you know,

543
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.920
uh to you know, we're not doing this the show

544
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.079
for for financial game. There is some you know, again

545
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.480
being transparent, I do have sponsors and whatnot, but I

546
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.759
can't pay like someone to do all the post production

547
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.400
and editing. I'm not at that level. That's like a

548
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.920
Joe Rogan to me, that's like a Joe Rogan level

549
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.279
so so, but I always get a kick out of

550
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.720
when when you know, uh, sometimes I just delete them.

551
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.119
Other times, if I'm in a playful sort of mood,

552
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.039
I'll just play along and like, Hey, what is this entail?

553
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.000
And what and what does you know? What does this cost?

554
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.920
And the amount like one hundred, you know, two hundred

555
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:39.960
dollars an episode.

556
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:41.720
I'm like, what who do you think I am?

557
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.079
You know? So, but it's always it's always funny and uh,

558
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.279
you know, I still get those, uh you know, at

559
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.319
least once a week, if not, if not more, But uh,

560
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.160
I wish someone would do it for free.

561
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.680
I'm all, I'm all about that.

562
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.039
But you know, even then it's funny after saying that,

563
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.599
I don't know if I'd even do that, right, because like,

564
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.559
you gotta trust somebody that they're gonna do what you

565
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.039
would want to do right, and so doing it yourself right,

566
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.599
you put those personal touches on there. But at the

567
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.279
same time, you know, I wish I was like you know,

568
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.279
in Bewitch, where I could just wiggle my nose and

569
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.759
it would just all be all be done. No such

570
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.000
no such luck though that was just a TV show.

571
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.319
But uh, I get it and right, and I I adventure.

572
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.200
I guess like the most fun is, like I just said,

573
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.640
talking to folks or sharing your thoughts and that sort.

574
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.599
Of Oh yeah, that's that's the whole point of this, right.

575
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:34.839
You know.

576
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.559
It's like as a kid collecting, you'd you'd go, you'd.

577
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.640
Ride your bike to the seven eleven or whatever your

578
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.799
your store was, wherever you were, and you'd buy a

579
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.119
few packs for cheap. You buy a slurpy or soda

580
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:47.960
or something, and you go back and you all just

581
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.720
open up your cards and talk about them and and

582
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.960
just trade, you know, trade each other or just or

583
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.599
get jealous because someone else happened to pull uh you know,

584
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.519
uh an Ozzie Smith or Don Mattingley or something like that.

585
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.319
And then we would train and it was fun. And

586
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.319
that's that's kind of what we've got to do as adults.

587
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.799
We have different responsibilities and and a lot of our

588
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.319
physical friends. But you know by that, I mean like

589
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.160
people who were, you know, in our neighborhood, but they

590
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.880
don't collect, right, And so the way to talk about

591
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.720
cards is this, And I think talking about cards is

592
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.680
so much fun, man, I like it. It's part of

593
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.160
it's part of the collecting like. To me, the collecting

594
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.119
part is finding what you like, acquiring what you like,

595
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.240
building a collection that you like, but then talking about

596
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.640
it as well with your with your buddies. And I

597
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.440
wouldn't I wouldn't change that for the world.

598
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.720
Yeah, no, doubt always.

599
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.200
That's why I always say, right, we're in the you know,

600
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.200
we might all go to like different colleges per se,

601
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.960
with different ways we collect, but we're all in the

602
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.839
same fraternity at the end. You know, I wanted to

603
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.319
get your take on this too. You know, I know

604
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.359
a lot of people like to appoint themselves like hobby

605
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.279
watchdogs or gatekeepers. The more polite term is watchdog, a

606
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:02.519
derogatory one, and I've always said, like, we're all hobby watchdog.

607
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.480
We should all be out helping each other out right.

608
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.519
I don't think you need to self appoint yourself that

609
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.240
or I'm this and you're not right. We all should

610
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.000
be looking out for everyone's well being in the hobby, right,

611
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.000
because I like people in the hobby.

612
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.920
I don't want someone to have.

613
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.680
A bad experience, get burnt, or be unhappy about something

614
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.000
and leave, right. And when someone new comes in the hobby,

615
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.480
I want him to stay for the long haul, much

616
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:32.079
like I did, you know, starting in nineteen seventy nine.

617
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.519
So I always say, like, we're all hobby watchdog. We

618
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.119
don't need to put a title on it. You don't

619
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.920
need to like appoint yourself that you know, And sometimes

620
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.680
it would bother me when someone would say I'm the

621
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.559
hobby watchdog, and you know, it always sort of I'm

622
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.880
like we all are and I don't even like have

623
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.839
to say it, but we all should like be thinking, like, hey,

624
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:55.759
we all need to look out for one another. If

625
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.960
I can tell you something, Dave, that's gonna help you

626
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.160
or prevent you from going down a road that maybe

627
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.799
doesn't end well, Like, why wouldn't I share that info

628
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.160
or try to help you out. I don't need to

629
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.160
put a title on that. It's just information. Was that

630
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.920
something in your cognizant? Or am I just being nippicky

631
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.000
which I can be sometimes?

632
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:18.759
Yeah, I don't know.

633
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.319
It was never really my intention, But I like the

634
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.519
way that you put it from the perspective that you're

635
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.799
coming and that whether we want to or not, we're

636
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.599
all sort of a hobby watchdog as long as our

637
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.920
intentions are good. But that's never how I approached it.

638
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.480
What I want to do is I approached it from

639
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.200
one putting out the kind of content that I would

640
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.200
want to listen to, and the second one was sort

641
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.119
of not sort of, but actually being there as a

642
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.319
collector who has a show, so when the noise got

643
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.519
to be too much, you could always retreat to my

644
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.640
show to get back to your roots of what collecting is.

645
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.119
Most of my two undred episode is probably one hundred

646
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.279
and ninety six of them you could listen to now

647
00:31:58.400 --> 00:31:59.799
and you wouldn't know if it came out three years

648
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:05.240
ago or today, because they were essentially, for the most part, evergreen.

649
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.359
So I don't I would I would say no, I

650
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:08.160
was not a watchdog.

651
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.480
I was more like a like a like a safe

652
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.079
haven of places where people could return. I was like

653
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.440
the old the old inn with the fireplace, you know,

654
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.960
come in and put up your feet and have someone

655
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.759
can get you some soup and you can warm up

656
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.400
and remember like, oh, okay, this is what this is

657
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.119
all I needed right here. I didn't need all the

658
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.160
invest in this or here's the scandal of the day

659
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.359
and oh my gosh, can you believe it? SGC was

660
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.559
sold and now where's Peter and now they shrunk, and

661
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.519
now that got spot God, who cares. I just want

662
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.319
to get back to the cards, and so I just

663
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.960
tried to be that warm chair with the fireplace next

664
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:42.240
to him.

665
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.839
Well, listen coming, I'll tell you this is I want

666
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.519
to listen to your show. You did, ah, you nailed

667
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.759
or you did a great job. And and you know

668
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.799
when when when I knew, when I realized, like, hey,

669
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.400
you're you're kind of ending that, I was like, no,

670
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.240
you know, like I really didn't want to, you know,

671
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.279
but but doing this. But at the same time, David here,

672
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.519
I'll give you doing this I get. I also understood

673
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.920
it too, because from my own thoughts and internal process,

674
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.640
I got it. So I didn't want to be you know,

675
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.599
I know I reached out to you, but I didn't

676
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.200
want to from a selfish point of view say oh,

677
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.319
you can't do this, or because I'm like I wanted

678
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.839
you to know I enjoyed your content.

679
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:21.960
I'm sad, but I.

680
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.359
Also didn't you know, I think it's a little like,

681
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.079
don't do it, like you don't know what someone's dealing

682
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.799
with right behind the scenes. Maybe it's something you didn't

683
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.359
even share, maybe it's God forbid. But like something you

684
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.319
just didn't want to share, and then this is just

685
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.960
part of that process. So I'll never I never really

686
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.000
do that, but you know what I mean, But I

687
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.440
get it, and I know we talked about it and

688
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.240
then I wanted you to you know, I would have

689
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.720
you out anyway. But it's not just because you ended

690
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.759
that show, but uh, you know, to talk about it

691
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.440
and because we kind of share.

692
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:54.119
Uh.

693
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.559
You know, obviously we both know what you know this entails,

694
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.440
and those sometimes an internal battles you have with yourself, right,

695
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:04.279
we all have.

696
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.119
I don't care who you are.

697
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:10.519
Right, you Me, Jeremy Lee, whoever it is, right, it's

698
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.880
it can be time consuming. It's a commitment, right, especially

699
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.920
if you're doing it like this show, which is every week.

700
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.639
So I fully get it. You know when you look

701
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.320
at the hot the current state of the hobby, you

702
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.519
know we got fanatics taking three fourths of the license scene.

703
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.559
You know, we've heard Rubens say, and I know you

704
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.039
don't protect this as in particularly label. You're a smart guy,

705
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.599
so I wanted to pick your brain here, right, and

706
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.039
you got your finger on the pulse enough where you

707
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.840
can answer that. You know, we see fanatics, you know,

708
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.440
with most of the licensing now, with the exception of hockey,

709
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.000
of the four major sports, we see what's happening in

710
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:54.199
the grading space with delays and lower pricing levels sort

711
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:59.360
of being pause and or eliminated. When we Michael Rubin, hey,

712
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.199
we want to next the hobby when you heat, When

713
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.880
you see all this, you hear like, what's your view

714
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.159
on Like, even though it may not affect you by

715
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.719
the way you collect, what are your feelings to you

716
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:11.800
know where the hobby is.

717
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:12.679
It's a good question.

718
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:13.320
You know.

719
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.199
I never talked about it on my show, but I

720
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.159
always paid attention to what's going on, and you know,

721
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.920
I have opinions and thoughts, and I think what I

722
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.840
think about most now is I just I hope that

723
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.360
I hope that collect the collectors are able to get

724
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.840
what they want and get what they need and are

725
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.559
able to focus on what they want to focus on.

726
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:33.119
The question that.

727
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.960
Burns in my mind often is what is what is

728
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:41.880
the hobby now? Is the hobby collecting cards or is

729
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:46.400
there a separate hobby in which the hobby is investing

730
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.920
and making returns on cards as quickly as you can?

731
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.719
And sports cards just happened to be the vehicle for that,

732
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.920
and it could be stamps, and it could be watches

733
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:02.119
or shoes or furniture or anything else. How will how

734
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.679
will someone getting into the hobby today a kid look

735
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.920
back at it in the year twenty seventy, Will they

736
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.440
look back at their hobby as I think a lot

737
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.280
of them will. We're like, oh, I got to collect

738
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.800
my favorite players, like I don't know, like a Trevor

739
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.519
Lawrence or or or whoever you know any other athlete

740
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.559
playing now loud Jordan Walker or will it be? It's like, oh,

741
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.639
that was a great summer back in twenty six I

742
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.639
made fourteen K, you know, so like, really, what is

743
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.039
the hobby now? I don't think that the hobby is dying.

744
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.039
I just think that there are two hobbies occupying the

745
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.760
same space, and one hobby is car collecting and the

746
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.960
other one is making money with cards. And it's really

747
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:45.119
interesting trying to watch those two work in tandem with

748
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.719
each other. It's like the Ghostbusters don't cross the streams,

749
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.599
but they've been cross and it affects collectors and that

750
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.039
jacks up prices on them, but also affects investors because

751
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.400
who controls some of the card you know, it's so.

752
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.400
But we have to learned to all swim in the

753
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.280
same c together.

754
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.639
So I don't say in mind all the business stuff

755
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.360
I I didn't. I don't know who owned tops before Fanatics.

756
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.719
I just thought there was some specter up in the

757
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.280
air that owned it. I don't have no idea.

758
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:15.400
And now we know that.

759
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.320
It's uh like Mayhan and and Rubin above him, and

760
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.639
they're doing fine. They have too many parallels and they

761
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.000
probably overprint. But that's just my my preference in terms

762
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.760
of the grading. You know, I know they changed it

763
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.320
about a year and a half ago. Mayhan, not Mayheon,

764
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.199
one of them. No, that's that's that's wrong. Group the

765
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.719
president of p s A, not not collectors, not not

766
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.880
but the PSA P Yeah, but the person, the person

767
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:43.079
the p s A specifically.

768
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.239
Now, I know what you're talking about. And his name

769
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.760
is it's it's I can't think of it, but I.

770
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.679
Know he's He's Mantle, may Is on Instagram. I know

771
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.239
that May's Mantle on Instagram.

772
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.440
And and you know Natt was saying, oh, no, our

773
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.800
grading didn't change, we're just adhering to our standards more

774
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.639
and two seconds later, right right, And an hour and

775
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:03.000
a half.

776
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.800
Later proper credit, rather than just saying that.

777
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.920
Yeah, absolutely great, thanks right right. So that turn goes,

778
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.320
our standards haven't changed, we're just enforcing them better, and

779
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.000
Ryan Hoge comes and goes, here's how our standards have changed,

780
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.840
and like, wait, what's even going on here? But I'm

781
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.519
all for a ten being really hard to get. A

782
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.400
pen should be really really really hard to get. What's

783
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:26.280
jamming everything up, though, is is like everyone else knows

784
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.800
it's TCG and it's Pokemon, and it's not sports cards

785
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.119
at all. And from what I've read and looked at myself,

786
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.480
the number of sports cards that are graded now are

787
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.280
identical to the number that are being graded a year ago.

788
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.719
But the number of cards overall have gone up so

789
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.280
much that it has got to come from somewhere, and

790
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.880
so it's you know, it's TCG and that's just sort

791
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:47.800
of is what it is.

792
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:48.440
I don't. I don't.

793
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.159
I've heard some people say they should separate it out

794
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.199
and have a separate company or a separate area for

795
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.320
TCG to be graded.

796
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:56.760
But where does that stop?

797
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:00.559
Because if you do that, then the football collectors are

798
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.920
going to say, well, well how about we separate baseball

799
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.199
because there's too much of that. And then basketball say

800
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:06.760
we let's put football because there's too much of that,

801
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.840
and hockey will say, now there's too much of that.

802
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.800
So it is what it is. They're all trading cards.

803
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.760
Some people like Pokemon, which is great, some like TCGs,

804
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.320
some like Magic the Gathering, some like hockey, some like football,

805
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.960
some like baseball. There's just a lot going on right now,

806
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:24.320
and the infrastructure hasn't caught up yet. They the hobby

807
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.760
has been grown, but the hobby industrial complex did not

808
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.119
grow with it, and now we're dealing with the backlog.

809
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.599
Yeah, no, I agree. That's that's a good way of

810
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.280
putting it, right. It's like the hobby's grown, but like

811
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.280
you said, the internal functions have had a hard time

812
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.400
keeping up with that growth. And I also like, you know,

813
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.880
the CEA analogy, right, it's a big sea, right, you

814
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.880
can you can be in your own section if you will.

815
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.840
You know, there's like we know in real life, right,

816
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.599
there's all differencies, the Atlantic, Gocific, Mediterranean, Black.

817
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:56.039
So whatever your.

818
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.880
Sea is, right, you can be in there with folks

819
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:03.440
that are so elk and and ways they collect. And

820
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.480
that's I guess at the end of the day. That's

821
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.840
the beauty of the Hobby. That concludes part one of

822
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.360
my conversation with Dave Schwartz from The Shallow And and

823
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.159
Dave's just a great down.

824
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:17.599
To earth guy.

825
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.119
Uh and uh, you know, I I gravitate towards folks

826
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.119
like that because I try to be like that or

827
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.920
I feel like I'm like that. So uh, come back

828
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.920
next week for for part two. And again Dave is

829
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:36.440
still producing content. He just Sunset the Shallow End, and

830
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.199
next week I think we're gonna get more into even

831
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.280
the reasons why. So uh stay tuned for for.

832
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:54.679
That time for all the People of the week. So everyone,

833
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.440
it's Brodie the Kid. Always remember the Hobby is the people.

834
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.280
If you'd like to be the Hobby is the people

835
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:04.400
announcer of the week.

836
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.800
To have or MP three file and send it to

837
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.719
Sportscardination PC at gmail dot com.