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Lauren Rizzo Shaffer is back for Part II of our conversation.


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*State of the Hobby Union

*Doing Shows and Dealer approach

*Buying and Selling

*Thoughts on progress of Women in the Hobby.


*Hobby writing and hitting the block.



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Sports Guardations hobby is the people Wheely News and interviews.

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It's yon number one soul. Sports Gardations hobby is the

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people sports Guardation. What is up, everybody? Welcome to episode

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three seventy six of Sports Cardination podcast. Lauren Rizzo Schaeffer

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is back in the house today for part two of

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our conversation. And I always love having Lauren on. She's

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just a sweet person. And you know, we talk about

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good people in the hobby, right she checks all those

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boxes and then some of them we obviously have a

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lot of in common. Crocheting is not one of them,

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but setting up as shows as a dealer, and we

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talked a little bit about that in episode one, so

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or you know, this week's episode part one. So Lauren

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is back, and try to have her on, you know,

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at least once a year, if not more than that.

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So with that being said, let's start the show, all right,

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Let's get into another topic. And I know I ask

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you this kind of every time you're on, because I

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value your You're in the trenches, so to speak, as

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a dealer, as a consumer, as a content creator, you know,

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as a woman in the hobby, you know where you

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know here, as we start twenty twenty six, have we

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made enough strides? Are things going in the right direction

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or is there room? There's always room for improvement. I

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don't want to say like, oh, everything's great, We're good,

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but I guess, is that trajectory or at that pace

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fast enough to ask?

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I mean, I think I think, like you said, it's

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never enough. It's probably never fast enough. It's probably never

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you know, it's I mean, not to be a defeatist,

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but yeah, I think it's I think there's just always

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a room for improvement. And I don't think that that's

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a bad thing. I don't think that's a defeat attitude.

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I think it's just, you know, anything that deviates from

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the status quo is difficult. Change is hard for people.

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And and that's not to say that, you know, women

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collecting cards is you know, a game changer for women's

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rights or anything. But you know, sports cards are historically

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a mail space. It's just a fact, and women haven't

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always been welcome. And there have been many pioneers who

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have stuck with it because they loved it from you know,

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the start, when they were kids. And you know, I

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think there will there will always be room for improvement.

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But I definitely think that it's worth saying that there

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have been great strides made in the life last few years. Personally,

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I think, I mean, I see a lot more young girls. Actually,

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at this last Dallas show, there's a young girl. She

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was probably like twelve ish and she was doing her

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own deals with Brian and they were not like, you know,

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ten nine dollars cards. It was like twelve hundred dollars

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card deals. And she did it all on her own.

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You know, she did negotiate, she did the back and forth.

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She actually came to our table on the first deal

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like seven times before they got it done. And it

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was great. It was great to see how comfortable she

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was running around a card show and felt safe and

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felt confident. That was a big thing. She was confident

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and she was just very comfortable in the environment. And

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I think that was probably that was one of my

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favorite parts of this last show because it did just

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feel good to see a young girl who is very

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comfortable in this space. And you know, everybody has, you know,

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lessons to learn and things that are difficult. You know,

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you make a mistake, you buy the wrong card, whatever,

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But she she was you know, only like eleven or twelve,

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and she's doing deals and she's you know, shaking hands

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and she's she's getting it done, and she you know,

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and Brian wasn't going to give her a discount because

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she's a kid.

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You know.

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They negotiated on the price, and they like, you know,

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this is where I'm coming from, this is where you're

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coming from. How are we going to meet in the middle.

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And I thought that was just a great example of

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the space that's been built and created by women who

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have been doing work and making that effort for decades

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and it's culminating, it's starting to really show, I think,

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and I think that that's great. Yeah, you know, like

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you said, there's always room for improvement, but like the

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strides that have been made and the girls that are

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standing on the shoulders of women that came before them,

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it's it's great. We're in a great trajectory, I think.

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that continues, and I hope I see more worlds like

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that and and women because I know, even myself, I'm

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not always comfortable or confident in you know, in a

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room or doing a deal. And I hope that there

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are more women who you know, enter the space, you know,

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at their own pace, but feel comfortable and feel confident,

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and you know they're doing their part. So it is

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up to you know, the people that they're interacting with

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to kind of take the baton at some point, and

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some will and some won't. But I think it's, you know,

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it credit to the entire space that people are realizing, oh,

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I didn't know that this was a burden and that

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this is a hurdle and we can make this best

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better for everybody. And I think that that's great. I

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think I think we're on a good trajectory. And yeah,

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I think I think it's great.

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Yeah, even here on a micro level, if you will,

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here in central New York, uh, Lauren, I'm seeing a

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lot more, like you said, female collectors, female dealers, even

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even even if I've even seen a lot of families

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that shows including a spouse or a significant other that's female,

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maybe not in the hobby but supporting the kids and

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the dead or whoever. But I'm seeing, like you said,

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a lot more female collectors who are active. And I think, again,

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I don't want to pay with a broad brush, but

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I think I think the hobby is more accepting of

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that than ever before. Now again, we've got room to

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grow and improve and be better. But I think it's easier,

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and you can tell me if you agree to. I

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think it's easier to be a woman collector today than two,

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three years ago or even even further back. And that

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doesn't mean there isn't some people who are resistant or

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not as accepting, but there's a lot less of that

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going on than before, and it's easier today. Like you said,

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a lot of that's being paid by women who've done

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it for a long time and so but I enjoy

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seeing that. And you know, I've been I've told the

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story on my on this podcast before. I've been set

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up near a dealer who's maybe not as encouraged by

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it as me, and I've had those conversations with him,

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like what's your issue? You know, to be blunt honest

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with you, Like, well, well, when whatever they say it

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doesn't make any sense, and I just write a like, hey, man,

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what difference does it make? You know? Male female color?

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Like it should like this is twenty where we're in

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the two thousands, man, Like this is like a really

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archaic taken stance. I'm like well, it's just's the way

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it's always been. That's not the answer, man, Just that's

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the way that's always been gets businesses, uh, you know

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closed and and and things go bad, so like you can't.

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That's a cop out answer whenever I hear that. But

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I think again, I think today we're in a there's

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a lot less of that. It's the way it's always

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been than than before, but it's still it's still around

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enough where this is a a conversation point that I

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have and uh, you know, hopefully that continues to said,

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that trajectory continues in the right right direction. I think

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it will. I don't think it's gonna I don't want

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to jink stuff. I don't think it's gonna get worse.

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It just has to get even better as time goes on.

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And and uh, you know, people figured the light bulbs

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go on with certain certain other folks. If if you will,

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let's let's bring that to cardboard. You know, I think

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we've seen big strides in in you know, the female

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athletes on cardboard, whether that be w n b A, wrestling,

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even other sports, uh, soccer, the list goes on and on.

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Would you agree there? And if not, you know, in

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kind of a two prong question, what can be done

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more maybe in that sort of areas to even make

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that area better.

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That's a great question, I think. I think we are

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in a great space with cards and you know what's produced.

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I'm trying to think to how to how to get

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to this. So obviously, Caitlin Clark was a huge deal

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twenty twenty four, twenty five, and I'll be honest, I

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at the time when it was really booming, I felt

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it was unsustainable her prices. I didn't think there was

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and it wasn't a reflection of her. I just think

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no matter what she did, she was never gonna live

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up to the value of some of her cards. And

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that's not a reflection of her. I think that's just

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a reflection of like how insane the market was. And

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that's not to say that women's cards won't appreciate. It's

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just the crazy cash grabs that were having for it

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reminded me a lot of like Luca in twenty twenty

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and like his like base, you know, like prisms and

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prism silvers were like there were tons of them, but

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they were selling for crazy money and and and people

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were selling them to flip them. And I saw a

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lot of parallels to Caitlin Clark that a lot of

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collectors were not collecting them because they liked her game,

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or they liked watching her, or they liked the sport.

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They saw these quick cash and the product prices, you know,

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the retail prices that reflected it. It priced you know,

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some people out, which is unfortunate. One of my friends,

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he said, you know what, everybody else can buy into

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the brakes and buy the boxes, and I will be

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trolling eBay for my singles, very happily, joyously. I'll be

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doing that. And you know, people had to kind of

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adjust how they were, you know, collecting because of the

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influx of dollar signs. So I I was worried that

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with the and I was hoping I'd be wrong, you know,

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and I might still be, who knows, But I was

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worried that with the unsustainability of her market, that it

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would then cause people to turn on women's carves and

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not want to support them and not want to be

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you know, I mean they already were not always kind

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people coming into that space. We're not kind to you know,

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traditional you know, like say it, we'll say wnb able

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to stay on, Caitlin Clark. They weren't always kind to

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traditional WNBA collectors and that was hard to see. But

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you know, they're seeing, you know, kind of a bell

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curve of Okay, it's really intense, it's really you know,

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really high price. There's a lot of emotions, there's a

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lot of energy, and now it's kind of starting to

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mellow back out to where people are like, okay, it

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will it will self regulate back to the way it was,

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and hopefully there will be more people who you know,

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caught the wave and enjoyed it and want to stay

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on it with us. But hopefully all the people who

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were like angry and upset and you know, trying to

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make a buck off of it are going to weed

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themselves out. So that was that was a big thing.

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I think that you know, we kind of had to

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push through and I think I think I don't think

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we're on the other side of that, you know, quite yet,

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But I do think that the positive aspects are definitely

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coming to the service and have been maybe for like

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the last six months, in that there are more collectors,

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there's more knowledge, there's more care, there's more data because

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it's been you know, there's been more sales of things

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other than just Caitlin Clark because there had to be,

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you know. So I think that that's been for all

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the warts and bumps, it has been good and I

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hope that it will continue to be good. So we'll see.

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But I think that I think for and for Rest,

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which i've you know, we've only kind of recently really

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gotten into it, it's been really interesting because women actually,

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you know, it depends it's not like male female. A

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lot of the superstars, depending on where they're at and

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what they're like, they're they're like neck and neck, you know,

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like some of those superstars will sell the same and

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that's really interesting to see. And I think that's gonna

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be something for people to look out for, especially because

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Panini lost the license last year and now it's on

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the Top, so you know, Panini products are going to

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become more scarce, but Tops products might be more in demand.

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interesting time for women's sports and collecting women's sports. So

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we were at Dallas for I think mostly wrestling, they

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were like, is it too late to get into wrestling.

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Of course they're thinking, like you know, dollar signs, so

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they're trying to calculate is this going to be an

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investmental regret or is this an invent that i'll like,

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you know, feel good about. And we said, like, no,

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it's not too late, because it's if it's something you're

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interested in it, it's something you enjoy. I think more

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people are going to be invested in it and you'll

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you know, and it's a great community and blah blah blah,

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all the reasons.

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But if you love it and enjoy it, that's not

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a question. Yeah, that's yeah.

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We had a hard time answering because we're like, well no,

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but you know, then trying to like put our hat

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on of like, okay, we're talking to a customer, you know,

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we're like, no, it's never too you know, and then

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we're like, you know, looking at it through a different lens.

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But yeah, I think I think we're in a good spot.

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I think we're on an upward trajectory. And I think

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it's I think, you know, there's always growing pains in

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certain aspects, and I mean the hobby as a whole

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went through growing pains over the last decade, and I liked.

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I mean, I err on the side of optimism. I

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think overall, you know, we benefit from growth and change.

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So yeah, and you know the whole case. And I'm

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glad you mentioned her because and it's not her fault, right,

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but she like for people who don't know or not

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that you would think she's the only w NBA player

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the way she's that's all people talk about. And she's

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a great player. I'm not taking that away from her,

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but it's almost like a double edged sword, like she helps,

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she helps the hobby and hurts it. When I say hurt,

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I mean not her personal just the whole phenomenon where

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people don't give enough for the other of our contemporaries

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credit as well, and I think sometimes that hurts or

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we saw some of that stuff. I'm even on the

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court where people were resentful that she was getting a

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lot of shine or you know, people were just talking

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about her a lot, you know, and sort of making

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comments or being a little more physical with the fouls

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during during the games. And listen, she was, uh, you know,

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perfect with it. She didn't you know, she didn't I

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don't know how you want to word it, but she responded, accordingly,

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she didn't. You know, she just kept playing her game

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and promoted the sport she loved and the league that

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she was in. But sort of, you know, like you said,

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people saw dollar signs with her and that's why they

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came in. And you know, and that's not even just

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a women's sports thing. That that that's across the board.

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That's across the board. We saw a lot of that,

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especially in the COVID Crescendo year year and a half,

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with a lot of people who aren't even cut, like

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just from the sneaker industry, just said, hey, this is

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the big thing. I'll put my sneakers in the closet.

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Let's do this now. And and like you said, those

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people on teach their own. But when the smoke clears

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and the dust settles, right, people who really loved the

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cards and the sport will stick around and know that

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are just and asked what two lines running up and

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down through it will probably exit stage left. That all

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kind of shakes itself out. But you know, sometimes when

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there's an individual athlete on that sort of trajectory, you

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get that double edged sword. It's good, it's great, and

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it can be bad at the same time through no

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fault of in this case Caitlin Clark. She's just going

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out there trying to play basketball sports she loves like

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that's all secondary to her, all the business dealings and whatnot.

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So you know, and again you see, it's not a

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woman's sport thing, it's not a woman athlete thing. That's

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just that happens across the board in any hobby business.

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Whatever you want to put.

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We back why to talk about a little bit about writing.

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You write as I do, and I think everyone thinks

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it's easy, and some days it's easier than others. Lord,

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but you know there's moments even with me where you know,

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I'll like, what do I want to talk about? What

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do I want to write about? And when I tell

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people that they're like, dude, you could talk about anything.

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How do you have a what writer's block? Like? You know,

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it's crazy.

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The problem I can talk about.

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Is that that and sometimes when you've written about so much,

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like you know, I don't try. I try. I'm guilty

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of doing that, but I try not to write about

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the same thing too often. Sometimes you got to revisit

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a topic. Kind of speak to that as as a

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writer in the hobby, hitting that sort of wall, how

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do you get past it and that sort of thing?

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Well, I actually I am working on getting past it.

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I have not written for collectibles on U s I

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in a couple of months, and that was not planned.

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It just I'll defend you here. I'll defend you here

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because I know I know exactly and the way you

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said it, what you're you're tone, he're sort of I

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think you're being a little too down on yourself. Sometimes

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that's what you need to do. Yeah, I've done that right.

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I'm going to take a break until I don't want

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to write about something. And again I don't want to.

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I want to speak for you here, I'm speaking for myself.

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I do want to write about something and feel like

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I'm just doing it because I have to do it.

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I have a deadline, so I really don't care. But

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here you go, here it is, you know. And so

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I've done that too, where I've like, hey, I'm gonna

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like put the notepad down, or I'm gonna put the lap,

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close the laptop because I'm not feeling this. And then

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when you sort of like do that, at least in

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my case, it can tell me that when you go

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away from something, then that light bulb may go on

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at some point. Might not be the next day, it

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might not be the next week, it may be somewhere.

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And then when that light bulb comes on, and then

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you open that laptop, you open that notepad packed up,

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and I think there's not wrong with taking a break.

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And I've even said that with the hobby sometimes, you know,

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people like message me John like I'm burnt out from

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the hobby, like don't do anything for the hobby for

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two weeks and then until you miss it. If you

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miss it, and then you know, I think it's like

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that we're writing too. So I wanted I know you

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were in certain I just kind of wanted to kind

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of stick up for you. You tell me like, no,

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that's your huge, John, But you're right, I mean.

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I appreciate it. I do appreciate that, yeah, because it's

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it's a bummer because I do like it, and I

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really like the team and and I really enjoyed doing it.

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But just uh, the last maybe I guess, gosh, almost

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eighteen months have just been kind of a There's been

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a lot. There's been a lot, you know, for me

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to process, and I just I was this something had

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to give, and you know, I was just not my

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brain was just not operating ut the way I wanted

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it to. And I also didn't feel like I was

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producing it was it was becoming like actually hard, like

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like it was taking a toll on me. I was

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like anxious and like not thinking straight and like overwhelming myself.

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And then I was constantly thinking about topics and this

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and that, and so I just kind of unintentional only

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took a break. And so I'm hoping that I will,

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you know, it'll come back to me, because sometimes you

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do just gotta sit down and force yourself. Fortunately, I'm

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you know, I get to do it because I like

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it and it's not my livelihood. So I've you know,

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just kind of been trying to to take my time

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to get back to a clear headspace where I feel

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like I can process better. And and I you know,

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I've never stopped loving cards and collecting and the community

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and stuff, but I've had to approach it differently over

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the last year. Not for any like specific reason, like

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there's no there's no like gossip or drama. It's just,

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you know, things change, times changed, life happens, and.

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Well, here the other thing, here's the other thing. I'm

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gonna stuck up for you again. Yeah, we we just

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talked about your setting up at shows. You're doing shows,

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you're going to shows. You have a life outside of cars,

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at least, I hope so you as do I write

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that can be tricky, and I think again, I don't

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know what percentage you want to put on it. Most

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writers are writing about a subject that they're not necessarily

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involved in. They're just covering it. We're writing in our cases,

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you know, we're writing about and we're active in it too.

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So it's not like we're just writers and that's our job,

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you know, forty hours a week, you know, we have

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we have regular livelihoods, and then we have the hobby

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and then we're writing about the hobby. So I think

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that's a factor in it too. Like if someone said, John,

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you're you're going to stay a writer, but you're going

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to cover like Wall Street. It might even be easier,

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not that I know. I do. I know enough where

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I could probably pass. But I can do it because

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I'm not doing Wall Street thirty eight hours, you know,

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on top of that. But when you're in the hobby

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already and then you're covering it as a right, you know,

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you a lot of people would think, well, that's easy,

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but it's not as easy as people will probably think.

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And you know, and you do it long enough. You know,

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again there's plenty of topics, but you do it long

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enough and you cover a good majority of them. And

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one thing I I and again I'm guilty of it,

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but I try not to like do something i've I've

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done right, or if I do, I I like to

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have it be years before I touch on it again.

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That way, you sort, it's almost like an update. I

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don't want to three months later talk about something I

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talked about three months ago. Can you do it? Sure

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you can do it, but I like to give it

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a little more breathing. It's like a whine let it

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breathe a little bit. It's too easy, I think to

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do that. So I think that's you know, I think

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that's the case too right when it's I think sometimes

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it's easier to be a writer in a space you're

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not directly involved in then in one that you are,

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because I think then you're a little too critical right

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of yourself, like that, I am I being too harsh?

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Am I not being harsh enough? Am I giving someone

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a pass? Am I giving someone a past too much?

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Because maybe they're a nice person? And you know, so

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it's always a catch twenty two when you're when if

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you're not involved in you're just covering something because it's

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sort of that job. You can just cover it and

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it's like, hey, here's how I see it. This person

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did this or this company did that, and this is

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what happened. Almost becomes like a news report and you

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let the chips flow. When you're in it yourself, it

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changes the whole dynamic of the story. It makes it

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to me, makes it even harder, and so not just

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time wise, but like, hey, I don't want to be

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too soft here, but I also don't want to be

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too harsh here. And then if I go in the

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middle almost say you're vanilla. So now you can't win

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for losing. So sometimes it's it's it's gonna be tricky.

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So and again you know this, you're right about someone's

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got you know, you get five people like, oh, man,

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I love that piece, and you get two people like

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that sucked right. Well, who's who's right to two people?

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Or the file right? You know? So it is what

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it is. I try to be true to to to myself.

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I don't want to necessarily throw anyone under the bus

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and back over them. But I also don't want to

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sugarcoat it where someone says, man, that you softball piece

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or fluffy. And sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's hard, and

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it's there's times I've written something more and I'm sure

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you where I thought I was harsh enough, if you will,

466
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.319
or accurate enough, and someone will message me like, man,

467
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.839
you let them off the hook or you know whatever

468
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.759
the topic, you know, without mentioning the names, and I'm like,

469
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:55.960
I thought I was a little rough on them to

470
00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.720
tell you, you know. So again, you can't please everybody,

471
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.799
especially when it comes to writing. You do the best

472
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.960
you can, but it can get tricky, and I get

473
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.240
it where you hit that wall and you're like, I

474
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.279
don't know, I don't well, I just don't want to

475
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.960
do it right now, just not feeling it right. That

476
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.519
could be writing, could be a lot of other They

477
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.400
can be hobby. You know, I've had week and I

478
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.920
call it like weekends, sabbaticals. Well, I'm not touching a card,

479
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.960
I'm not looking at a card, I'm not turning the

480
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.680
microphone on. I'm not watching anyone else's stuff. I'm not

481
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.039
listening to it. I'm not mad, I'm not you know,

482
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.799
I just need I need to decompress. I need a break,

483
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.880
and I think I think sometimes Louren, we don't do

484
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.359
enough of that, and that's where the burnout. That's where

485
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:46.000
burnout sets in. And then you risk like, hey, I

486
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.440
just don't enjoy this anymore. I'm leaving. And I don't

487
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.240
want to see anyone leave something, at least if they

488
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.799
enjoyed it, at least at one point. Sometimes, you know,

489
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.839
I know it's cliche, but sometimes absence makes the heart

490
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.880
grow fonder, right, It's true the times where I've taken

491
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.319
two weeks and I've pre recorded stuff and loaded it

492
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.720
in the hopper and it's done I may not miss

493
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.920
the show, but for two weeks, I haven't really done

494
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.000
anything hobby wise, and I miss it. And I know

495
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.279
that's how I know. I'm passionate love it. I it

496
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.839
was a nice two weeks off, butever ready to get

497
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.880
back on the horse and ride again. So so you know,

498
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.640
and there's nothing wrong with that, And for some people

499
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.960
it might be a couple of days. For someone else,

500
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.920
it might be a week. I've had people tell them

501
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.359
write me Lauren and say, I took a year break,

502
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.000
and like, I'm mat I knew I was coming back.

503
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.319
I didn't quit, I just needed to. Like I didn't

504
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.359
put a time frame on it, I just needed I

505
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.720
knew a break. You wound up being the year and

506
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.559
guess why here I am. And I when I get though,

507
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.799
if I get a message like that, I'm like, do

508
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.119
you you know? Whatever works for you? There's no template here,

509
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.000
it's whatever works for you. You know, we all have

510
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.240
different personalities and quirks. That's that's the beauty of it.

511
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.640
And so there's no wrong answering. And I think that

512
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.960
applies to writing as well. And you'll know, you know,

513
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.319
for you, I don't want to again. I'm speaking to you.

514
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.119
I don't speak for you when that time is right

515
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.000
or that light bulb goes on you, you know. And

516
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.160
I think that's where the best writing actually comes from.

517
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.720
If you ask me, is when you you enjoy doing

518
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.319
it right, It's it's when you feel like you're going

519
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.359
through the motions. I don't think you're going to be

520
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.680
at your best. That's sports, right. You hear athletes say

521
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.359
I should you know. I've read a book athletes like,

522
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.920
and they in their own autobiography said, listen, I probably

523
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.039
should have retired two years before I did. I went

524
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.920
through the motions. I wasn't enjoyed, but I felt pressure,

525
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.319
whether it be from family or fans, or even from

526
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.359
a team organization as well, Hey we need you, Hey

527
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.759
give us another year. You know some you know, you

528
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.400
hear those kinds of stories. So and then anytime you

529
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.759
go through the motions, I don't think you're going to

530
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.079
be at your best. I mean, there's some people might

531
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.759
be above that, and God bless them, but I know

532
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.799
with me that's not the case. But you know, you'll know,

533
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.519
you'll know, uh, you know, And again, you're doing so

534
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.880
many other things right. I think that's a factor too.

535
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.960
I think it. I won't say be worse, but be different.

536
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.880
If you weren't and you were at that point, you

537
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.880
know what I mean. I think you know there's almost

538
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.119
there's only so many hours in the day. There's only

539
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:32.119
so many slices of pie. Got it? You know, wherever wherever,

540
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.079
you're passionized in the moment or in the day, the week,

541
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.839
the month, the year. No one I always tell people no,

542
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.400
you know, I always get questions fla like, someone will

543
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.319
mess with me, what do you think I should do?

544
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.319
Or what would you do? And I'm like, no, no

545
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:49.599
one knows you better than you. Yeh know who you are.

546
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.599
We may be friends and they know a little about

547
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.839
you more than someone else. But at the end of

548
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.000
the day, no one knows you better than you. So

549
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.279
I can give you an all would be was an opinion.

550
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.000
But at the end of the day, you're your own

551
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.480
CEO of yourself. You have to make the best that

552
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.920
you know. If you want to say, I'm a business

553
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.400
and I'm the CEO of me, You've got to make

554
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.480
the best business decision for you, right who knows yourself

555
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.599
better than you? You can ask my no, someone can

556
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.160
ask my opinion, but it's still got to be their

557
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.920
decision and what they're comfortable with, and I think that's,

558
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.359
you know, that's how you should approach it. But you'll

559
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.000
figure it out. You're very smart and intelligent, and probably

560
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.759
more so than I am. You should be, you know.

561
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.240
But as always, you know, I appreciate you coming on.

562
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.480
I enjoyed talking to you, whether it's this way, off

563
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:50.720
the air, in person, hobby hotline, and you know, you're

564
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.319
awesome and thanks for chopping up with it. I always

565
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:58.119
give the guests well where people can see what you're doing,

566
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.200
you know, whether it be website, social media, take your

567
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.880
time to get wherever you want to steer anybody, I'll

568
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.240
go ahead and give that stuff out well right.

569
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.880
Now, because as you were talking, I was thinking, like, yeah,

570
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.279
I actually stitched a lot of cards last year and

571
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.559
didn't post any of them. I've just been doing it

572
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.359
because I can again and I like it again, and

573
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.920
that's how this writing thing has been going. So my

574
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.680
main thing is my Instagram at laurenoes here. I'm not

575
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:26.960
posting on there a lot.

576
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:27.359
I'm not.

577
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.480
I'm coming on here and there, but more so now

578
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.880
I was kind of cold Turkey for a minute, so

579
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.319
I am there if you want to check me out,

580
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.720
But right now I'm just kind of I'm still focusing

581
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.720
on like the tangible aspect of what I like and

582
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.039
how to spend my time, and trying to get back

583
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.720
into writing again too. So but if you do need

584
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.079
to fne me or want to buy me, Instagram is

585
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:52.559
probably the best place to start.

586
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.359
So there you go. Yeah, and incredible with the stitching.

587
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.240
I have seen some of the ones you've posted of.

588
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.599
I can't barely tie my shoe. Uh, I wouldn't even

589
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.200
know where to starting.

590
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:06.359
Now.

591
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.920
My grandma, you know, rust her, so she was quite

592
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.480
a crochet, not not with cards. But uh, I wonder

593
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.480
if she, like, if she could have done that, if

594
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.039
if showed her, like if I showed her what you

595
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.359
were doing. I wonder if she could have done it

596
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.279
in her own I would have just had her made

597
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.559
me stuff instead I got like I still. Instead I

598
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.400
got blankets which are beautiful, and doors cloths and end

599
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.400
table covers. So but uh, I'm kidding, but she probably

600
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.160
she might have been able to do it. But you do,

601
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.319
debian said, you do incredible work there, and sometimes right

602
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.000
you put yourself, you pour yourself into something else, and

603
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.160
then maybe you'll miss it and get back to when

604
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.559
you feel the time is right. And I rather you're

605
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.359
an incredible writer, so I rather you write when you're

606
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.359
feeling it, then then when you're not. We can say

607
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.400
that again, whether that's an athlete, a writer, whatever, content creator,

608
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.880
doesn't matter, right, you do your best work when you're

609
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.280
when you're really passionate feeling it. So nothing to apologize for.

610
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.960
And uh, you know, we'll see you again. So as

611
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.679
always a you know we're getting close to the national.

612
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.000
We didn't even touch on that, but uh, maybe we'll

613
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.239
have to do we'll have to do another episode closer,

614
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.960
whether the national kind of chopped at up. I love it,

615
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:32.840
la So thanks lord. Like I said, always love having

616
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:39.079
Lauren on the show. Very intelligent, right person and asset

617
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:44.400
to the hobby regardless male female does not matter. And

618
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:48.519
it's something you know, I'm proud of that. Even as

619
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.440
a seven year old kid, I had female young friends

620
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.679
at the time that kind of collected some cards and

621
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.559
or movie cards and that sort of thing. So it's

622
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.880
always sort of been the norm. If you will, I

623
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:08.559
know that it's not predominant, but very important to me

624
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.920
to see that you know, more more of that. So

625
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:18.000
and Lawrence leading the way if you will, so we'll

626
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.960
have her back sometime in the near future. But you know,

627
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:24.960
like I said, have a lot in common with her

628
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.159
with being a show dealer. We're teammates on Hobby Hotline

629
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.159
and that sort of thing. So I hope you enjoyed

630
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.519
part two, and if you miss part one, just go

631
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.000
back one week and it's right there waiting for you.

632
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.400
All right, We're gonna get to wrapping up the episode

633
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.000
with some closing thoughts here.

634
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.760
Thanks everybody, time for all the people Announcer of the week.

635
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.880
Hey, this is Jeremy with PST Sport cards platform that

636
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.760
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637
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.000
hobby is the people.

638
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:03.920
If you'd like to be the hobby is the people

639
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.119
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640
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