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What is up? Everybody?

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Welcome to Episode three fifty is crazy halfway to four

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hundred now and when you think about it, you know

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it's a just a once a week show and that's

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that's that's something else. All right, Enough doting on that,

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got a great show, Part two of our on stage

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at the National in Chicago. National forty five Sports Carnation

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Live on stage with Tony DiMarzio and Tony Liebrick. TJ

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is online and Southern Collector fourteen is their social media handles,

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and we talk a lot about buying cards, strategies, exit strategies,

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leading buying leading up to the National Vintage Heavy Vintage talk,

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and so today is part two of that fun conversation.

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So if you mess part one, you can go back

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one episode three forty nine catch that Today is part two.

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In the conclusion of that episode, as always, wanted to

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So thanks to those folks, and now, without further ado,

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let's get part two of our conversation started. Here is

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part two. We're gonna start off Tony uh Demarzio brought

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some cards up with him, so we're gonna kind of

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get into that. But we're gonna cover a lot of

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ground here on this second part of the episode. I

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see Tony's got some cards here. We saw Tony Leebrick's

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heyk Aaron, awesome, awesome card. You know, we talk about,

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you know, with vintage, right, certain players, certain players, certain cards.

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Sort of our better values if you will, than others like.

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They we might love them all and I do, but

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there's certain cards that you know, certain cards we all know,

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like you're you know, one off the time, run off

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the top head, it's the low hanging fruit, right, Mickey

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Mantle never goes down, right, if anything, always gonna have

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an up barrow or you know always you're rarely gonna

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lose or sell it for less than you you're paid for.

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Talk about that aspect when when you're acquiring cards, you know,

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looking long term, when maybe there comes a day you know,

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like Tony said, like he sells cards to buy new ones.

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You both you know, I do that as a dealer

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when I set up at shows. But talk about certain

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aspects or certain players and cards of the hobby sort

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of being better for that that long term.

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If you will.

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So when it comes to any kind of cards, and

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this is going to hit home to the modern collectors

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and even the vintage collectors like us who have who

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remember how our childhoods went and we have children ourselves.

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When you buy sports cards, I think you need to

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think of it as any other form of investment.

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There's an exit strategy.

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And if you're buying cards for fun, like I probably

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have the world's greatest Steve Jeltz collection, that's fun. You

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know if the cards, I mean, the holders themselves cost

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more than the cards, So that's my fun part of

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the hobby. But when you start buying Clemente and Mantle

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and these modern players like the Crow Armstrong and Harper.

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You gotta work and even try out's a big lesson.

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You need to think about the extra strategy because if

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you want to upgrade into a bigger card, or if

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you have to sell the card for whatever reason, you

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got to think about how easy it is to move

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that card, how liquid is it? And I think from

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folks my age growing up in the nineteen eighties, we

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found out from Wally Joyner and jose Canseco and Kevin

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Moss and Jefferies and all those others, the extra strategy,

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the exit strategy wasn't our future four oh one ks

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or the retirement plans like the USA Today articles we're

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all talking about.

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So with that in.

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Mind, I value players who no longer play, even if

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it's a recently retired player, I feel much more comfortable

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investing in that person because when you're spending a set amount,

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regardless of what that number is, it's a form of investment.

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So I just think we need to keep that in

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mind when we buy.

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Now.

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At the National, I exhausted my budget. I don't know

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if you did.

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Also.

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Thursday, Well, things pop up.

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I have a top fifteen list and sometimes it comes in,

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it grows to a top twenty list, but I try

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to keep it to fifteen. But there's things that pop

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up that you don't expect. And in the last two

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months a few items popped up at auction. One of

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them is a Craig Krinler painting, so I was able

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to pick up the Honus Wagner painting. This isn't the

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big one, the sixteen by twenty. It's a it's a

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color sample. So when this popped up on eBay of

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all places, I just felt like I had to have it,

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so I moved inventory. And that's where the exit strategy

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in the hobby comes in. So when you think of

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excess strategy, I would just say think of Babe Ruth

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and Mickey Mantle as good examples and big time Jackie

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Robinson's unique because when I was collecting, when I was

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my son's age, Jackie cards weren't as liquid as they

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are today. Demaggio and Yastremski they were more liquid in

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my opinion, but now Jackie Robinson's liquid, So just think

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about the exits.

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Yeah, Unfortunately, I know that firsthand from not buying him

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more earlier and trying to play catch up and ked

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you know, hit me and they hitting me in the wallet.

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But yeah, you know, especially if you want to add

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new cards to your inventory, go ahead now.

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In the last example, I'll give in some situations where

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I can't move twenty Mickey Mantle cards to a Ford

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to nineteen fourteen and fifteen Cracker Jack, Walter Johnson and

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what's the other, Honus Wagner. I was able to do

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that in March, but something else popped up recently and

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I wasn't. I didn't have enough time to trade the cards.

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And that was a sixty seven Venezuelan Clemente. It's in

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nice lower grade which most of us are used to,

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and that was a card where I dipped into my

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national budget. So for this national you know, I'm taking

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it easy, which takes a lot of pressure off and it

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allows me to enjoy it more walking the aisles with

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my son and it keeps him from looking at old

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guy cards.

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Well, so my story.

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When I got back in the hobby about four or

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five years ago, one of the first things I did,

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I really wanted to collect all the Hank Aaron cards.

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I really love Hank Aaron. I liked what he stood for,

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what he did in the face of racism and hatred

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and just killed it. He's the last Negro league player

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to ever suit up in a major league game.

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So I wanted to get is.

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I did that, and then I jumped into Mantle and

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I did his whole run, and once I did.

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It, I kind of felt like I did it.

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And so it was just some other cards came up,

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and the way I could afford those cards was to

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offload the Mantles. And there is nothing more liquid in

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this room right here than a Mickey Mantle card. You

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can sell them if you get good ones that are

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in good shape.

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Yeah, go ahead, here's the crazy thing, Tony. All the

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Yankee fans are gonna hat. I know, I know mister

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Lane's about to like throw daggers at Mickey Mantle is

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a great player. I don't think that goes without saying.

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But like you look at some other guys from that time,

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like will you can make an argument maybe Willie Mays

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was better, or Hank Aaron. They're all Hall of famers. No,

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you know, my saying is you're not kicking any of

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them out of bed. But you know, Mickey Mantle playing

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in New York, the Mecca, especially at that time.

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But it still holds true, like you.

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Just said, all these years later, right and listen, Mays

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is another one that probably falls into game, but I

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still think he's almost underrated. I don't know if you

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guys agree, car hobby wise, maybe not player wise, but

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hobby wise, I think sometimes his stuff sometimes brings something

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to be like, man, that should could have brought more.

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That's you know, that's a great buy at the at

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that level.

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Yeah.

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Just something that Tony said was it's interest because when

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we did our transactions, we really didn't talk too much

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about it at the time. We let each other know

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what we were thinking. But I just found it interesting

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and a lot of other folks do the same thing.

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Mantle's the first player who we looked to when it

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comes to liquidating, and probably the first player we looked

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to replace those cards down down the road.

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Yeah, exactly so with me when something big came up,

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and that big card, my grail card growing up when

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I was a kid, was a fifty two Mantle and

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I got that couple of years ago and it sat

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on my bedside table for about three weeks watching me sleep.

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It was my baby. I took it to work with

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me and set it up against my lamp on my desk,

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so it could watch me work.

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Your doors, like right, yeah, exactly.

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And I love the I love the card and I

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still do.

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But then there's another card that came up, and it's

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a nineteen fifty tall Taro's Josh Gibson card, and there

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was only thirty of them in the world. And he's

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the greatest Nigger League hitter of all time. And when

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the Major League stats went official, he's now the leader

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in batting average, he's the leader in slugging percentage, and

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the leader in ops passing Babe ruth In Tykov. Now

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you can debate whether that's crazy or whatever. I don't care,

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but it's a fact. And the guy, if he wasn't

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banned from playing in the white major leagues, would be

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on par with anybody that we would talk about in

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this room today. So I wanted that card. How could

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I get that card? Well, I had to liquidate some

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cards in the one and I had to do it fast.

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So the fifty two mantle went. I made about fifteen

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grand off of it. I had two signed nineteen fifty

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five Jackie Robinson's. I moved that within twenty four hours,

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and then The third one was a nineteen fifteen cracker

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Jack Hannis Wagner.

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Now I had collected these over years, but it was like.

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Putting money in a bank account, and so I was

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able to raise one hundred thousand dollars in thirty six

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hours and was able to make that deal. It was

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another collector that was selling it reached out to me,

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and I couldn't turn that down. So I got rid

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of important cards. Now, the fifty two mantel, I absolutely

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want another one, but I'm gonna have to save up

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for that bad boy and or sell some different cards.

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I noticed three people got up when you talked about

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getting rid of the mantle, so apparently they were here

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to buy it, and now that they heard you didn't.

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But here's the deal with those the mantle, there's three

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thousand of those. I can go to Ash's table right

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now and buy one.

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He has eight.

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Okay, every big auction has those. There's the fifteen Honnis Wagner,

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the Crackerjack. Most auctions will have that, the fifty five

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Jackie the sign. There's only eighteen of those. I had

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two of them, so I could get rid of one.

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So that's how I wit down what I was willing

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to move. You don't have to have huge cards to

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do that. There can be a five thousand dollars card

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you want, and you've got three cards that add up

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to that that you curated, that are got great eye uphill,

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and you can move those to get that card. This

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is just an example that tall of taros. There's only

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been four public sales since twenty nineteen, so there isn't

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gonna be one come up. There isn't one in this

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room right now for sale, so just you know, that

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was an opportunity. I can go get the other ones.

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I got to get the Wagoner to complete my Crackerjack set,

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and I want another fifty two Manil, so it's just

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a temporary thing where that is not in my collection.

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I missed that card though, because that was the card,

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and I hate that bothered me, to be honest with you.

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But I see you rhythm around that right now talking

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about it.

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Bothered me, man, Can I see ahead?

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Much like Tony's nineteen fifty two Mickey Manel That's a

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card I've been wanting since nineteen eighty six, so I

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was ten, But my nineteen fifty two tops MCKEI mano

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to me was a nineteen sixty eight TOPS three D

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Clemente test card and I found that maybe two months

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before the last national which was in Cleveland.

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So that's another card I had to move.

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And it just comes down to, you know, if you

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don't have the cash, just having cards that are liquid. Yeah,

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and it hurts to move those cars. I mean, Tony,

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you talked about that tops mgimnol card as much as

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I talked about that three D clement and it was

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rough to get rid of.

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My second YouTube episode was I found my Grail card

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and I tell the whole story about how I got

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to fifty two manle And I said when I did

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my tall Tarist video that either I was lying or

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I was a hypocrite. But I wasn't either. I was

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saying that facetiously. But it did hurt. And honestly, some

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of the things that you pick up that you have

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to actually give something up to get makes that thing

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mean even.

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More to you.

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So because you had to get blood, sweat and tears

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to get that card, and so that one is definitely

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one of those cards.

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Yeah, that's a great point, right.

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The story of not only the cards themselves, but the acquisitions,

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the journey to get them are the people you mean

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to make an acquisition, right, Sometimes you get to know

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the person you're acquiring the card from.

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Uh in a way maybe you didn't anticipate.

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And you make a great point tony Brook too, with

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like they're all great cards, right, but you're you're moving

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some to acquire one that you just can't find, right,

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You as great as those cards you've moved to acquire

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that Gibson in this case, you can get those cards again,

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They're not cheap, but you can you can find them, right,

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But you just don't find those Gibson's as easy as

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those other cards, so you can replace them eventually. You know,

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Rome wasn't the old cliche, right, Rome wasn't building the

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day you can pick them off in your whatever your

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time frame is the Gibbs. And like you said, good luck.

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Even if you came into this building with the sole

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intent like that's all I'm getting and I'm walking out

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of here, you still may not get it because it's

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not here.

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There's only one of them in the building right now,

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and it's with PSA.

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So that tells you how hard it is. And that's his.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's it's that goes to show

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you right.

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Sports Combination has Reasons.

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Someone asked me when I you know, one of the

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questions I got to ask guys when I got my

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Jackie Leaf.

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Like would you ever sell it or you know?

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And my my initial answer is no, like I waited

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a long time to get it. But you know what,

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you know, you can never say never, right if if

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the right deal came along or something else that you

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can you can make a sale or a trade to

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get something, and then I can buy that card maybe again.

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But you know, I never say never, right, the old cliche. Yeah, learn,

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you know, because unless it's an irreplaceable card, it can

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be replaced as long as you want to spend the

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money to do it.

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So yeah, Now, the ones I won't move are my

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signed vintage cards, like the Mantles. I've got a nineteen

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fifty nine Mickey Mantle that he signed for me in

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person when I was fourteen years old. That will never

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leave my collection. And I can say that one hundred

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percent because mister Mantle touched that card in front of

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me and said hello. So that has an emotional connection

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that can never be broken. So that'll go to one

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of my kids or something. But the other ones are

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just they're awesome, but they're a currency.

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Let me ask it us.

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With the Gibson, we've already spoke of the significance of him,

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the player of that card, being very very scarce and rare.

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You know, along these lines, Tony, do you ever see

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a scenario where that gets moved or that's that's the

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exception to the rule.

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I'm never gonna say never.

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I mean, I don't know for right now, I'm fired

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up to have it and it's in my PC and

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I'm gonna cherish it.

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And I love the fact I have it. I love

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his story.

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I've read his I read the book, and I've done

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a lot of deep digging into the Negro League history

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and that sort of thing, and I just really, I

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don't know. I'm into it, so I can't. I honestly,

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I can't ever say never. The only one of my

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collection I can say that about is that mantle.

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That's it.

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Tony Demarzio, do you have a card Maybe not here obviously,

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but do you have a card that you can say

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never or no?

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Uh, the sixty eight Tops three D Clemente. Because I'm

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one away from the set and I'm also working on

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the extended set. There's a few cards from that set

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that are considered proofs that were never made it into packs,

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and yeah, that's some. I have a sixty nine Tops

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Nicky Mantles signed and I'm the second owner. The original

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owner had it signed at the first East Coast National

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and the person also was able to take photographs of

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Mickey signing the card. Demaggio's also in another picture, so

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that might be another one. I would probably never move

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just because even though it's not like Tony, I didn't

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get it signed personally, but I know that it was done,

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you know, and it has provenance to me.

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You mentioned Greg Jeffries earlier. I have three binders of

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Greg Jefferies rookies in mike garage that will never get moved.

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And my wife wanted to throw them out and I said, no,

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they stay, they they stay in the garage. I'm obviously

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kidding Tony. I see you have some cards. I don't

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know if you want to bring something up here or

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talk about.

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Coming in Chicago.

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I really wanted to bring my signed eighty three Opach

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Ryan Samberg, but unfortunately I forgot that home.

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But I did have a few pickups here.

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For those who collected Robin Roberts or other Phillies, this

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is a nineteen forty eight Philadelphia bulletin Robin Roberts.

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It was the first, one of the first.

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Cutouts, and you would cut it out it came it

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actually was issued in a newspaper that came out only

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on Sundays, and it has comics on the back and

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I just thought it was like really cool, and I'm

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a Robin Roberts collector, also had a chance to pick

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up my first two Japanese cards, much like the sixty

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eight tops three D test cards. This is a nineteen

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seventy one Kaya Baya three D O card and I

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just like how it looks. And I'm a Smoky Joe

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Wood collector and this card means a lot to me

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because it came from a friend.

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It's part of how I had money to buy Cracker Jacks.

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It's a nineteen sixteen M one on one for.

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Blank back Smoky Joe would and uh, two other cars

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I want to show quick. My son's here and we

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picked up a Cooper flag. I want it in a

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He talked to me. Anthony talked me into doing some contest.

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And it's a BGS nine twenty five Cooper flag. It's

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my first modern basketball car purchase in a while.

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And the last one.

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And yours are mine.

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And then the last one is a nineteen ninety six

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Eachiro Japanese card. Another it's a it's a Lenticular three

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D card and I thought this was pretty cool. And

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it's a it's a PSA eight and I'm looking at

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I'm like, wow, this looks really looks nice for a

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PSA eight not or whites, you know, great higher or lower.

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But it's just cool because it's something you don't see

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every day. And as I progress in the hobby, I'm

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getting more into the things you don't see every day,

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what some people call ought, you know, odd ball food test,

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regional farm. I just think it's pretty cool. And the

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last thing I picked up at the car ladder booth

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was deodorant, so if anyone runs out of it or

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you will buy a person who needs one, just.

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And if you have a really tiny armpit, I was.

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Gonna say that looks like it should last about thirty

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minutes and you've got to go back and get another one.

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But yeah, the old joke, right, deodorant and comfortable shoes,

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and uh, most people smell good. That's that part's good

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and uh but yeah, that's those are those are all

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great cards?

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Right?

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How about the like you know when we talk about

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like the Lenticular cards, right, it seems like we appreciate

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them more today than we did even when they came out.

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I remember being a kid with the Kellogg's releases, right

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and pulling them out of the cereal boxes, and they

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were cool. But I didn't love them, but today I

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buy them and especially if they're on cracked and not curled,

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and I'll get them slapped. And speaking of that, I

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have one for you. But like what, we appreciate stuff

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sometimes more now than at the time.

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We like to live through them.

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Like it's just funny how that goes, you know, even

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like for me, I used to hate exhibit cards.

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Then one touch.

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Them, one talk about them, people would offer them, come

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up to my table, you want these?

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Like no, and I've.

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Done a one eighty on them, Like I don't want

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to say I love them, but I'll acquire them now

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where before I wouldn't have even considered that. Like, it's

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just interesting how our opinions can vary and change on things.

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And the particular card to me, it's like I'll be

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the birth of the of the refractor, which everyone loves now,

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so I think of it that way, and that again

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that helps me tie what I collect vintage to what

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my son does modern.

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Yeah, for you, Tony Leebrik, has there been anything like

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you were out on, let's say, and then you've changed

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like over the years or later on coming back, Like

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you know, I didn't used to like these, but now

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I kind of do well.

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When I first got back in and I was in

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the vintage, I thought some of the strip cards were

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kind of ugly. And then I got into the Black

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Sox history and started reading a lot about that, really

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got into Shoes Shoe Jackson and started collecting his cards.

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And the one set that's most related to the nineteen

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nineteen Black Sox is the w FI fourteen strip cards.

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So I fell in love with those and I started

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I did the whole White Sox team set. Took me

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about a year a year at all those because they're

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harder to find some of them than others. And so

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that's something the thing that I changed into a lane

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that I wasn't originally. I mean, I guess I've always

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been there because I had that mantle with signed vintage,

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and now that's like my big lane.

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I'm all in on that.

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I never was out on it, but that's something I

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got into and now everybody bugs me about it.

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No want to authenticated and slabbed.

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It's real, that's right, No, I try to be you know,

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look I look at the autograph, try to figure out

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if it looks real or not for I buy it.

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But I'm not an expert either.

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Got a few minutes left, guys, I guess it was

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announced that the twenty twenty eight National will be in Atlanta,

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closer to you. Kind of your thoughts being from the

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South scene in Atlanta? Do you like that? Indifferent you?

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Where do you fall on?

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Now? Yeah?

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I like it.

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I go to a big convention there at the Georgia

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World Congress Center, which, if you don't know, is right

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by where the Georgia Dome is. So it's in that

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downtown Atlanta corridor. You're not gonna walk to a lot

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of places to eat down there. It's more of a

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it's not industrial, but it's more like just buildings like

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where you work.

491
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So is it like Cleveland was a little bit where

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there's nothing too much around it?

493
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No, because it's Cleveland.

494
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The Big X Center wasn't downtown. No, it was Atlanta's

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dead downtown. And so so if you're gonna go, the

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ideal place to stay is that it's called the C

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and N Center, and there's a big hotel right across

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the street, and you just it's kind of attached to it.

499
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You can stay in places downtown. They have a really

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extensive metro system, which is the subway, so you can

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stay in the peripheral part if you want to, where

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there are restaurants, and you can get on that subway

503
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every morning and take it and you get off right

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underneath that Atlanta, the Georgia Dome area. So that is

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a very important point because if you've never been to Atlanta,

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what you need to know is the traffic is unbearable,

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so you need to either be by a subway or

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you need to be in one of those hotels within

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walking distance. The Georgia World Congress Center, you're gonna like

510
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much better than this setup because it's one humongous room.

511
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In the ceilings are high, so.51200:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.480



You can actually get an idea, you can see things better,51300:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.400



and it's easier to find your way around. But the51400:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.960



broom is so big that when you look to the51500:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.960



other end, you can't hardly see the other wall because51600:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.440



the curvature of the earth. So it's gonna be a51700:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.559



better setup as far as this where it's gonna be51800:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.400



kind of laid out like a city with city blocks51900:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.680



with numbers. This is kind of curved, so it's a52000:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.319



little more difficult to get your bearings. You're gonna like52100:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.720



that better. But again, stay where there's a metro and52200:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.680



stay near the place one of the two. Do not52300:28:58.799 --> 00:28:59.720



try to drive there.52400:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.160



And I used to attend to Peach Bawl. I'm a52500:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.759



big college football fan. And once you started talking about it,52600:29:06.799 --> 00:29:12.240



then my memory came back. The senior moment passed and yeah, yeah,52700:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.279



So now when we try to book the hotel, even52800:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.160



though we have a couple of years, everything's booked, right.52900:29:17.440 --> 00:29:22.279



Yeah, and learn to talk southern, Okay, just talk slow.53000:29:24.319 --> 00:29:24.880



Well, there you go.53100:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.559



Some insider tips for the twenty twenty eight National three53200:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.440



years in advance, right, but good advice there. All that53300:29:32.480 --> 00:29:37.599



stuff can help you navigate an already big show. Right, guys,53400:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.200



we have like a minute or two left. First off,53500:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.839



thank you for a green that you come up here53600:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.440



and share the stage with me. We could do a53700:29:46.480 --> 00:29:50.400



whole another hour probably if we had to, but just53800:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.799



kind to give out where people can see your content53900:29:53.880 --> 00:29:54.559



what you're doing.54000:29:56.160 --> 00:29:56.319



Yeah.54100:29:56.359 --> 00:30:01.000



So I'm on Instagram with Southern Collector fourteen all one word,54200:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.759



or you can go on YouTube Southern Collector fourteen.54300:30:03.799 --> 00:30:05.799



I released one video per week.54400:30:06.519 --> 00:30:10.519



My niche is baseball history tied into the hobby, but54500:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.839



I also like to do interviews with guys that have54600:30:14.119 --> 00:30:18.559



really awesome collections, who are experts in certain lanes, and54700:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.200



they share their knowledge and their cards, and it's a54800:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.400



really really cool thing to see.54900:30:24.079 --> 00:30:28.359



I'm on Instagram and YouTube, TJ T as in, Tony55000:30:28.480 --> 00:30:30.279



j as In Joseph is online.55100:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.680



Is O N L I N E.55200:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.720



And you'll know it's me because I have a Sports55300:30:35.720 --> 00:30:39.799



Impressions Mike Schmidt coffee mug from the early nineteen nineties55400:30:39.799 --> 00:30:41.839



that I kept all these years, So just look for55500:30:41.839 --> 00:30:42.599



the coffee cup.55600:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.160



And in closing, I want to thank a national for55700:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.480



having sports coordination. I think this is our fourth or55800:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.079



fifth time doing a main stage performance. Try to bring55900:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.880



different people off each here as well. Thanks to them56000:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.640



for having me. I'll make my simple. If you google56100:31:00.720 --> 00:31:05.000



sports coordination, everything will just come up, probably some stuff56200:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.799



you don't even want, so make it easy for it.56300:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.279



Thanks everybody. Thank you man.56400:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.480



I can't tell you what a blast I had up56500:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.000



there with Tony and Tony Tony squared as we joked,56600:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.680



and two great dudes, two guys passionate who loved the56700:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.480



hobby U, two guys after my own heart. I love56800:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.839



vintage UH and you know we covered a lot of56900:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.880



ground on the on the two episodes and on the57000:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.000



stage and again you know, a get ahead of ourselves here,57100:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.160



looking forward to doing it again next year with maybe57200:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.039



a few new guys we'll see and always fun.57300:31:42.200 --> 00:31:43.119



Hope you enjoyed it.57400:31:43.960 --> 00:31:45.759



Let me know what you think some of the thoughts,57500:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.000



some of the things we talked about. Do you agree, disagree?57600:31:49.799 --> 00:31:50.519



What say you?57700:31:50.799 --> 00:31:54.160



But we're gonna hear from our hobbies the people announce57800:31:54.160 --> 00:31:58.359



there and wrap up this week's episode. We're back next57900:31:58.440 --> 00:32:05.039



week with none national recording to a regular interview rocation.58000:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.680



Time for our hobby is the People Announcer of the week.58100:32:12.839 --> 00:32:13.400



Hey what's up?58200:32:13.640 --> 00:32:13.799



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Catob Atminster, Catob on Twitter, and remember the hobby is58400:32:17.799 --> 00:32:18.279



the people.58500:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.000



If you'd like to be the hobby is the People58600:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.240



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