March 16, 2026

"Why the Football Vintage market can't measure up to the Baseball one" The Cardfellas E1

"Why the Football Vintage market can't measure up to the Baseball one" The Cardfellas E1
Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
PocketCasts podcast player badge
Overcast podcast player badge
Castro podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconCastro podcast player icon

John Newman and Tony D bring you "The Cardfellas" Two guys "Chopping up" a hobby topic. We don't have a set schedule but you'll see/hear us when inspiration strikes.


E1:

There are some great iconic vintage football cards but when compared to iconic vintage baseball cards they aren't in the same league. It doesn't seem fair or right when you consider football is the USA's #1 sport. There are reasons though and that's what Tony and John tackle on this debut episode.

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sports-card-nation-podcast--4761791/support.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:19.320
All right, welcome to the first episode of the Card Fellas.

2
00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:22.239
This will be a show myself and Tony d will

3
00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:26.440
be hosting with various topics, no set schedule, just kind

4
00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.960
of whenever we brainstorm and something comes up that we

5
00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.880
want to bat around, like today, And speaking of today,

6
00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:38.479
today's topic is why the vintage football market doesn't measure

7
00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:42.759
up and compare to the vintage baseball market and it's not.

8
00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:43.840
Really even that close.

9
00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:48.240
And I know Tony's got some charts and numbers and data,

10
00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:49.200
and we're going.

11
00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.200
To bat around why we think this is the case.

12
00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.640
And I'm sure others Tony have thought about this too,

13
00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:59.479
like why is that there's some great vintage football cards

14
00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:01.359
as we both as we both know.

15
00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:04.280
So there's the intro. Again.

16
00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.879
We'll do this from time to time. This is episode one.

17
00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.159
I'll acquiesce to you now.

18
00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.799
Hey, John, thanks for having me on the show.

19
00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.359
It's a pleasure and an honor to do a podcast

20
00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:18.239
with you.

21
00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.319
And I don't know if I should call you Paison.

22
00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:23.040
Or match.

23
00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:29.680
Half Italian, you know.

24
00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.040
And but this is fun though, so I think it's

25
00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.560
a you know, you and I collect cards of various

26
00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:39.159
leagues and sports.

27
00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.560
I love football, cards, basketball cards.

28
00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.760
You know baseball obviously, but when it comes to football

29
00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:47.840
and basketball, especially football.

30
00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:49.920
I've been dabbling into the.

31
00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.599
Modern card market because I try to collect, not try,

32
00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.079
I actually did it. Up to the current date. I

33
00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.480
have one Eagles card, one Eagles card of a quarterback

34
00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.200
who started at least one game for the team going

35
00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.319
back to nineteen forty eight, so I have Bobson.

36
00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:09.280
All the way to Hurtz.

37
00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.400
And when I was doing this exercise, it made me

38
00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.159
not only learn about modern cards like the nineties inserts,

39
00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:20.080
the two thousands inserts, even some of the twenty ten inserts,

40
00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:24.759
but I also delve back into vintage cards. And I

41
00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.159
was looking at some of these prices, and look, let's

42
00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.479
be honest, outside of Norm van Brocklin, there's not too

43
00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.479
many Eagles old quarterbacks you know, from the fifties and

44
00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.240
sixties that are elite.

45
00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.759
But it got me looking at vintage football cards from

46
00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:40.599
the thirties.

47
00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:42.800
There weren't there really sets for the forties until you

48
00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.000
get into like forty eight bowmen and leaf and all that.

49
00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:51.439
But I started noticing the gap between vintage baseball and

50
00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.520
vintage football in terms of not only the population report,

51
00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.240
but more importantly the prices some of these elite football

52
00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:03.360
players are going for or compared to the elite baseball players.

53
00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:09.919
Then I remembered a podcast done by Brett and Pat

54
00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:14.199
Nicholson on Instagram. They have a show called The Football

55
00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.560
Podcast and then got into this topic. And I asked

56
00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.479
the question because they had a whole show devoted to

57
00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:24.400
this vintage football versus modern football and why there's such

58
00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:26.759
a price gap, and then they got even into some

59
00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.240
other sports too, So I thought, you know, maybe for

60
00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.479
our first show, you know, with your knowledge on both

61
00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.879
sides of the table, and with what I learned in

62
00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:37.719
the last couple of years since coming back into the

63
00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.800
hobby in twenty eighteen, it'll be a nice topic for

64
00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:44.439
us to get into. And to start with, I did

65
00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.639
a little bit of research about, you know, where is

66
00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:52.520
the football staying today compare the sports so you know,

67
00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.280
with our generation. The first thing I thought about was

68
00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.439
iconic moments. So I fought a few different articles on

69
00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:05.879
Sports Illustrate It and other the old Sport magazine and

70
00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:07.479
Sporting News and.

71
00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:08.800
A lot of the Times.

72
00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.080
At least every couple of years, they did the list

73
00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.879
of iconic moments in sports history, Like you know, Babe

74
00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.439
Bruce's called shot uh Muhammad Ali versus Sonny.

75
00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:21.959
Liston Jesse Owens.

76
00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:25.519
You know, football like the Immaculate Reception, the Catch with

77
00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:29.000
Joy Clark and Joe Montana, and Will Chamberlain scores a

78
00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.439
hundred points. But if you take all these lists, you'll

79
00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:37.879
notice one consistent trend, and that's there's always less historic

80
00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:41.160
football moments than there are for baseball. And that kind

81
00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.120
of like got me going down that rabbit hole. So

82
00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.720
then I started looking at other topics, saying, Okay, I

83
00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.319
get that baseball wins in terms of sports history, but

84
00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.800
what about gambling? Everybody? You know a lot of people gamble.

85
00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.360
I won't say everyone, but I say quite a few

86
00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.079
people make a wager, whether it's an office pool for

87
00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:04.720
a dollar or free, or they do fantasy football. So

88
00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.560
in I took twenty twenty four and I looked at

89
00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:11.720
the United States gambling revenue by sport and we didn't

90
00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.959
go with twenty twenty five because all those numbers.

91
00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:14.519
Aren't in yet.

92
00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.720
But in twenty twenty four, it estimated thirteen point seven

93
00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:23.680
billion dollars was generated in revenue by all the sports books,

94
00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.199
whether they have a physical presence or an online presence

95
00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:27.720
or both.

96
00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.680
And out of that thirteen point.

97
00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.399
Seven billion, or let's just round it up and say

98
00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.600
fourteen billion dollars, about thirty five percent of that was

99
00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:42.319
for football, NFL and college and that equivalates to four

100
00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.639
point six billion out of that fourteen billion dollars. And

101
00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.120
then I look at baseball. Okay, so let's you know,

102
00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.480
where is baseball steing in all this? Baseball only has

103
00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:57.959
about just under fifteen percent of all gambling revenue, so

104
00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.160
double over double the amount of people prefer betting on

105
00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:06.360
football then baseball. And then I'm thinking, okay, compare that

106
00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.160
to hell the card market is I'm like, no, in

107
00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:13.319
the card market, baseball, especially the vintage, still wins. Then

108
00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.680
I went down the rabbit hole even further and I

109
00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.240
took a look at the TV viewership for the top

110
00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.839
twenty sports leagues. So you know, we're kind of digging

111
00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.759
low into some of these leagues, like you know, which MLS,

112
00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.519
which I call minor league soccer. Joke there. But in

113
00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.759
twenty twenty four, the number one view sport in television

114
00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:42.240
was football excluding college, with seventeen point five million viewers,

115
00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.600
not just for one year, and it's by far the most.

116
00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.199
And then we get to baseball, and baseball only had

117
00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:54.079
one point five to two million viewers. So look at like,

118
00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.560
think about us people, our age, and our children. You

119
00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:01.759
had less than two million people watching baseball. This includes

120
00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.199
the World Series in twenty twenty four that the Dodgers

121
00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.759
won the World Series less than two million. But for

122
00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.600
NFL football you have eighteen million. Seventeen point five million.

123
00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.800
That's a stagnerant difference, and just for some comparison's sake,

124
00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.759
for other LEAs, you know, college football gets somewhere between

125
00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:24.680
like six to eight million. You have NASCAR, another popular sport,

126
00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.199
three to four million. So baseball can't even beat college football,

127
00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:34.079
which is not surprising. They can't beat NASCAR Cup Series.

128
00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:34.879
They're not.

129
00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.680
They barely beat the NBA. And the only reason they

130
00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.879
beat college basketball is because March.

131
00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:41.160
Man.

132
00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.959
This is only for one month, but if you took

133
00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.040
the top month of you baseball and compare that to

134
00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:53.560
March and the entire the tired duration of college basketball,

135
00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:55.360
college baseball wins outright.

136
00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.319
Any questions about these stats or any kind of common well.

137
00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.720
Listen, Tony, you know this. Let's take the Super Bowl, right,

138
00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:06.519
you know, it's the most watched sporting event probably outside

139
00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.759
of the World Cup, and gives that a run. And

140
00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.519
when you think about the Super Bowl, right, people who

141
00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.399
aren't even like died in the wold football fans watch

142
00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.399
football that day, right, whether it be for the commercials

143
00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:23.920
because people get together. Right, people may yeah, maybe they

144
00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.879
haven't even watched the regular season game, but they're watching

145
00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.399
the Super Bowl. No one's doing that for the World Series, right,

146
00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:34.039
You've got more people watching the World Series are really

147
00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:38.679
hardcore baseball fans because it could be seven games, it's

148
00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.679
at least gonna be four, so it's not gonna be

149
00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:46.240
resolved in one night like the Super Bowl. And you know,

150
00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.480
people not gonna like this, but football has replaced baseball.

151
00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.639
You know, we quote unquote as America's pastime. It's football

152
00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:59.799
now is in terms of fandom and viewership and rating goes.

153
00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.639
But like you said, Cards is a whole nother show,

154
00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.480
so to speak. And I, you know, I have there's

155
00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.159
reasons I believe that's the case. I don't know if

156
00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.960
you want to go through those or you know, how

157
00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:12.240
do you.

158
00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:13.039
Want to Yeah?

159
00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:13.519
Sure?

160
00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.240
Yeah, well so yeah, go ahead.

161
00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.200
So I was just say before we get into Cards,

162
00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.279
because I do have because you and I both picked

163
00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:27.000
some cards, and we tried to pick specific, historic and

164
00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:30.440
iconic maybe is a better term, football cards, and we

165
00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.799
tried to compare them to what their equivalent would be

166
00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.639
in baseball cards. So we got about five cards or

167
00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.000
so that we could talk about, and everyone's going to

168
00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.360
have their own opinion on what's the most iconic football

169
00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.480
cards and what's the most iconic baseball cards in terms

170
00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.440
of in terms of vintage. But I think we did

171
00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:51.919
a pretty good job picking out just to sample size.

172
00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:57.440
I'm also thinking about, you know, you know how cards

173
00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.200
were distributed in the nineteen thirties and the forties and

174
00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.759
the fifties and even the sixties to some extent, so

175
00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:10.399
we know baseball cards the way baseball was released you

176
00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:15.720
had tops and Bowman and later the Philadelphia Club issue

177
00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.960
football cards really just towards the end of the summer

178
00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.799
August when kids are starting to go back to school

179
00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.080
during those decades and still the same today. And then

180
00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.440
once you're in school, you're not thinking about anything else.

181
00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:31.519
I mean, you're doing school, you know, you gotta do

182
00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.279
homework and things like that, but you're watching football. So

183
00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.759
I asked my dad how football cards were back when

184
00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.200
he was growing up. He was born in nineteen forty six,

185
00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.159
nineteen forty five, excuse me, but he collected starting in

186
00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.600
nineteen fifty one for cards. He has memory still of

187
00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:52.320
opening up back to the fifty one. He stopped around

188
00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:55.360
nineteen fifty eight based on the card designs that I

189
00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:59.080
show him, and he said, Anthony because he calls me.

190
00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.879
That was growing up.

191
00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.799
We started buying baseball cars like all the kids in

192
00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:09.320
Philadelphia and his little Italian section growing up. We had

193
00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.399
We started buying in April. We were in school, but

194
00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:14.399
that's fine. After school we would go in and we

195
00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:18.000
would buy packs of cars, and he named various candy stores. Uh.

196
00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.039
Then we had April, May and June and buy So

197
00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.440
we were buying cars for three months and baseball cards,

198
00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.679
and by the time school was out, the last thing

199
00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.200
we had on our mind was was cards. We wanted

200
00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:36.679
to play sports outside our parents, playing trips down the shore,

201
00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.240
you know, whether we went with other families or we

202
00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:44.600
went ourselves. We were playing ball, half ball, baseball, everything

203
00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.159
because there were there were no with football back then.

204
00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.879
And then when we started to get into the mindset

205
00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.559
of going back to school, it was around in August.

206
00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:55.519
You know, when we made our last trip to the shore,

207
00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:57.679
we would start, you know, we'd come back into the

208
00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.799
city and we would start buying football cars. And he says,

209
00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.879
you know, back then people don't don't remember, but there

210
00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.559
were six preseason games still, so he would buy his

211
00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:12.399
football cards in eight in August. Then when schools came around,

212
00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.240
he would stop buying cars. And when you think about

213
00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.399
the pop reports for baseball for football, and the number

214
00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:23.279
of series and the cards size and the set sizes

215
00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:26.320
for baseball and football, that kind of supports that, you know,

216
00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.200
that way of thinking. But again, we're just talking about

217
00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:32.600
the nineteen fifties. We can't talk about the sixties in

218
00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.600
this aspect. Do you have any memories of like growing

219
00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.919
up and how the cards were you know released?

220
00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:42.480
Yeah, well in New York City where I'm from, right,

221
00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:44.559
and at the time, you know, I was born in

222
00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.159
seventy two, tony and so I bought my you know,

223
00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.759
the first pack of cards I opened, I was gonna

224
00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.720
say I bought, but my grandfather bought was the seventy

225
00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.399
nine Tops Baseball. Reggie Jackson at that time was the

226
00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.360
king of New York. And let's be as you know,

227
00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.879
to be honest with you, at that time, the Giants

228
00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.679
and Jets were not very good, so you know, football

229
00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.720
in New York City was no great shakes to the

230
00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:12.519
point where I became a.

231
00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:16.519
Steeler fan even growing up in New York City. And

232
00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:17.480
here's the other thing.

233
00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.600
You know, baseball cards have more nostalgia attached to them

234
00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.559
than football cards. They've been around longer. It's what most

235
00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.840
of us got introduced to first. Even people who are

236
00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:34.799
football only collectors today would probably tell you they initially

237
00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:37.720
got started being introduced to baseball cards. It's sort of

238
00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.480
a right of passage, right. I think the other thing,

239
00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.840
too Tony is like, and most people who were listening

240
00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:49.840
to this will agree, right. Football cards are heavily quarterback driven.

241
00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.840
One position where you can open a baseball pack or

242
00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.279
buy baseball cards, and it doesn't have to be just

243
00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.320
you know, first base or second base or pitcher. They're

244
00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:07.200
all sort of marketable to collecting. Where football it's it's

245
00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.159
not just quarterbacks. There's some all time legends at receiver

246
00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.279
and even defensively, but as far as collectibility, people aren't

247
00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:16.480
drawn to them.

248
00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.519
And I think what hurts football on.

249
00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.320
The vantage side is that baseball just had such a

250
00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:25.720
head start in the vintage market. There were obviously baseball

251
00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:30.240
cards were around a lot longer before before football.

252
00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:31.399
So it's like a race.

253
00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.240
You give anybody that sort of jump and early lead,

254
00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.200
it's really hard to make up that ground. Even when

255
00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:42.399
you do, that lead is so insurmountable, then you'll probably

256
00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.440
never you'll never pass it. Right, And I think the

257
00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.320
other thing, and I'll get your opinion on this. When

258
00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.759
we think of people collect, people collect also care about records.

259
00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:53.000
Right.

260
00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.840
That's kind of draws us to who we collect and

261
00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.759
that sort of things. Right, when we take a baseball

262
00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.000
record books, right, we think we can we know.

263
00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:02.879
Numbers, right.

264
00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.279
We knew Tank Aaron had to hit the seven hundred

265
00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.200
and fifteenth to be the all time home run king.

266
00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.440
We know the hitting streak is fifty six games, right.

267
00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.960
We know the last guy to hit four hundred.

268
00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.279
We even remember when people don't break records, right, we

269
00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:25.200
remember when George Brett made a run at hitting four

270
00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:29.440
hundred and more modern times, right, we know Johnny Vandermere

271
00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.600
through two no hitters in back to back games.

272
00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:33.879
Right.

273
00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.480
We know don Don Larson has the only perfect game

274
00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:39.279
in World Series history.

275
00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:41.039
We know all.

276
00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:45.200
These baseball stats that are important to the fabric of

277
00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.720
the game. And then if the flip side of that

278
00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:51.759
would with football history, obviously we know great players, but

279
00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:55.279
we don't who's Like if I ask most people what's

280
00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.240
the rushing leader in how many yards is it? You'll

281
00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.679
get a lot of wrong answers. Even even the ones

282
00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.519
that maybe get the right player will get the wrong

283
00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.240
amount of yards. Right, So somebody says, Emmitt Smith, you

284
00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.000
know a lot of people are gonna say, well, they're

285
00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:13.120
Payton or Barry Sanders, and it's not even though they're great,

286
00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.600
and some and Jim Brown we get to argue Jim

287
00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.480
Brown's the greatest running back ever, he doesn't lead.

288
00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.240
He doesn't lead in all time rushing yard.

289
00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.840
Here's the other thing with football, and this is again

290
00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:29.639
commonplace knowledge. Right, Football careers on average are just way shorter.

291
00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.240
It's a very physical context sport that could be literally

292
00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.480
over in one play. Someone gets his knee broken backwards,

293
00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.039
his career is over and it could be two or

294
00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.039
three years in if not less right, And so I

295
00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.480
think people are hesitant, especially this isn't more on the

296
00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:50.399
modern side to really go crazy. He's spending a bunch

297
00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.600
of money on let's say one player, because in a

298
00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.039
literally one play, that could all be up in smoke.

299
00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.519
And so, you know, I think just to the the

300
00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.759
long history of baseball, the numbers, how we're introduced to

301
00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.400
it at a very young age.

302
00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:07.599
You know, even people who.

303
00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.799
Don't collect today probably collected baseball cards when they were kids,

304
00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.960
and it's almost just the right of passage. Like and

305
00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.759
so I think football is fighting that uphill battle to

306
00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.799
try to close that gap and not doing so well.

307
00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.119
And I think what also hurts him is you mentioned

308
00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.720
this like it's a quarterback driven sport, and I can

309
00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.079
make an argument that we have probably more household names

310
00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.359
and quarterback today than we did in the vantage error.

311
00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:37.480
I don't know if you agree with that, but your

312
00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.400
Brady's Mahomes, all your Super Bowl winners.

313
00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:42.880
Uh, Marino el Way.

314
00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:46.559
But then when you go back to the vantage error,

315
00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:55.599
there's just it seems like you would counting other guys

316
00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.960
Sammy law Yah. But I don't have the same effect

317
00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.559
on people as some of the modern Yeah.

318
00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:09.160
I think that as time goes on, the history and

319
00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:13.759
the how much of players talked about just it diminishes

320
00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.960
every year. We see that in baseball too, But I

321
00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:21.799
think that that rapidly declined and how much someone's talked

322
00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.880
about they're fading into the sunset. I think it happens

323
00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.680
quicker in football, Like you just said, uh, you know,

324
00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.599
let's talk about like folks like Gibson, Bob Gibson or

325
00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.480
Steve Carlton might even be a better example. Now, his

326
00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:40.079
career started in sixty five and he ended in eighty seven.

327
00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.599
But at one point he was the best pitcher in baseball.

328
00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:50.160
Yep, that's a twenty two year career, first.

329
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:54.079
To win for saw Youngs three hundred game winner. He

330
00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.920
had his seventy two season which he won about forty

331
00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.920
to forty four percent of his team's games on this

332
00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.119
for that seventy two Phillies and probably should have won

333
00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:09.440
the MVP. Also was the all time strikeout king for

334
00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.480
you know, a couple couple cups of coffee, you know,

335
00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:14.400
while riding was going for it.

336
00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.079
And guess what nobody talks about him today.

337
00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.279
And I and that, and when you compare him to

338
00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:24.799
someone like Unitas or Auto Graham, I think I hear

339
00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.920
it's probably not fair, but we may hear more about

340
00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:30.960
Steve Carleton, who no one really talks about anymore than.

341
00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:32.680
Say, a great like Auto Graham.

342
00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.119
When I talked to my dad about Auto Graham, he

343
00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:38.319
said he was unbelievable. He said, you know, you got

344
00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:43.279
Joe Montana, you got Tom Brady, you got Johnny Unitas.

345
00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:45.279
But he says Otto Graham, I wish I could have

346
00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.680
watched him a little bit more because he was unbelievable.

347
00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:51.200
And it was at that time when Auto Graham played,

348
00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.640
it wasn't a passing game. Beck, he wasn't even a

349
00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.319
passing game when Joe Montana played. But guess what Bill

350
00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.640
Walsh made Joe Montana pass a little bit. But you know, still,

351
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:06.559
another interesting aspect that you brought up was quarterback. It's

352
00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.000
a quarterback, you know, having driven league, And I think

353
00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.839
I would agree with that. I mean, I agree with

354
00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:17.039
it more today than when I was.

355
00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.680
Growing up, because yeah, we all wanted the Marinos and

356
00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.839
the Alway and the Montanas.

357
00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.680
Those were the big three. And in the seventies you

358
00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:31.319
had you know, uh, you had Starbucks, Starbuck and Bradshall.

359
00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:33.119
But isn't it funny?

360
00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:38.079
Hell, the quarterback is the equivalent to football, with the

361
00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:39.319
pitcher is the baseball.

362
00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:40.519
But quarterbacks.

363
00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.720
Everybody wants quarterbacks rather in baseball, not too many people

364
00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.519
talk about pitchers really well.

365
00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.880
Pet you know, we talked about injuries, right, Pincher's at

366
00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.960
one position where they're more injury prone than your everyday

367
00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:57.240
position players, which sounds weird because everyday position players are

368
00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:02.000
generally playing every day, where starting pitcher, you know, makes

369
00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:05.319
us us start every fifth, uh every fifth or sixth day.

370
00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:08.559
So there's you know, they're out there, they're scene less,

371
00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.000
but we're throwing the ball one hundred times a game

372
00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:13.720
right at high velocity.

373
00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.839
And we look at today's play like a guy through

374
00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:17.480
one hundred.

375
00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.119
Uh.

376
00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.599
Back in the in the fifties, sixties, seventies, that was

377
00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:25.559
a huge deal. That guy was like ahead of the curve. Now,

378
00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.559
you throw under one hundred, you don't get in the

379
00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.680
high nineties. You're almost not going to get drafted unless

380
00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:32.319
you're out unless your off speed.

381
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.440
Pitchers are just so great. Yeah, that it offsets that

382
00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.440
so but because you're.

383
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.440
Throwing the ball so hard and you're throwing the ball

384
00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.880
so much, you know, Tommy John has become a household term.

385
00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.160
And we're not talking about the underwear, and we're not

386
00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.359
talking about the former Dodgers and Yankees.

387
00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.960
Pitcher, although we are because it was it was it

388
00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.319
was named after him because he was really the first one.

389
00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.400
It was kind of break breakthrough surgery. But like you know,

390
00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.279
back in the day someone had Tommy John surgery, they

391
00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.480
were you question whether they could ever return to form.

392
00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:10.640
Now the pitcher's gonna miss time, but in most cases

393
00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.880
they come back and playing or in you know, pretty

394
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:16.480
similar to the level.

395
00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:17.680
Of pre surgery.

396
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.319
The other thing, real quick, I want to talk about,

397
00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:23.599
baseball has something that football doesn't have, and I think

398
00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.759
it plays into this, probably more so in today's Martin market,

399
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.759
but even back then. I'll tie it into the vintage too.

400
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.640
What does baseball have that football doesn't have. That's a

401
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:40.160
minor league system. You know today, you know, baseball draft

402
00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.599
those guys be with the rare exception, anyone drafted in

403
00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.680
the baseball draft is reporting to a minor league team,

404
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.839
whether that be rookie single, a double, A never really

405
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.920
trip away. There's that rare exception where they might go

406
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:57.079
right to the bigs, especially if they're four years in college,

407
00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:01.319
which actually doesn't happen as much any more. In football,

408
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.440
you get drafted, you're on the club, and you're either

409
00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:07.599
making the football club or you're gonna get cut right.

410
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.519
And if you make the football club and you don't

411
00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.920
produce right, their patients in the NFL has gotten very

412
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:17.079
a lot thinner.

413
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.359
You can be cut, which we're seeing right now over

414
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:27.440
in Minnesota because because number nine, because everybody calls the nine.

415
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.920
All these kids, especially my son, like he's out. They

416
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:32.400
just signed Murray.

417
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:38.440
Uh, you don't have time where baseball, Tony, you can

418
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.039
get drafted and be in the minor league five years

419
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.000
honing your your skill set and then get the call

420
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:50.960
up and produce right. You've had more practice, if you will.

421
00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.400
And when it comes to cards, more people you know,

422
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:57.720
we know Bowman and Bowman draft, people are prospecting. People

423
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:01.200
are buying these guys three, four or five years before

424
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:05.640
they ever make the big leagues potentially. Now, I used

425
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.160
to do it more years ago than I do it now.

426
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.559
But you don't have that opportunity in football. And same

427
00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.440
thing that's not a new concept like there wasn't there

428
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.279
was minor leagues back in the forties and fifties in

429
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.880
baseball and football was similar like now they had a

430
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:25.400
draft and you either made the football team or you

431
00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.680
got a real job. But when you didn't make it

432
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:32.599
in the pros, right, and so people will will I

433
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.839
think people will spend more money when they're sort of

434
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.119
more you know, fallback like I have more time, where

435
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:41.599
football you have less time.

436
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:42.240
You could lose.

437
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:46.359
Before we start looking at the cards, I just had

438
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:51.720
a funny thought. Can you imagine if Pat Mahomes played

439
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.599
with like five did the five inning equivalent?

440
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:56.240
Oh?

441
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.599
Look, pictures do oh you got to take them out

442
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.640
at seve the pitches of Pat Mahomes. Guests, what you

443
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.480
gotta come out after halftime? We're bringing you out at

444
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.799
the half way through the through the third quarter. It's

445
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.839
just yeah, it's just funny. But so John, you and

446
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:17.400
I talked about some cards and we have the comparisons

447
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.799
and we're gonna for those. We're not gonna have a

448
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:25.119
video version of this, but we're gonna talk through the cards.

449
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:30.359
So it's a very radio friendly, you know, audio friendly way.

450
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:33.039
Let's get right into it.

451
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.279
So the first card that we talked about in our

452
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.319
comparisons that we came up with the list was a

453
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:42.640
nineteen thirty five National Chico Bronco ne Durski.

454
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.880
And for all these cards that.

455
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.319
We talk about, when we go through the values, we're

456
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:53.480
gonna use the PSA grade uh for the decade they're in.

457
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.880
So if we're talking about a thirties card, we'll use

458
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.160
the PSA three. If we're talking about a fifties card,

459
00:25:58.200 --> 00:25:59.279
we'll use PSA five.

460
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:00.839
And all the.

461
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:05.000
Values that we're getting is from the card Ladder platform.

462
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.920
So thanks for those fellows for having a really great

463
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:15.160
app and with decent prices. With the sales history so

464
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.039
brought on the Juriski. The last PSA three sale was

465
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.440
for forty eight point eight thousand dollars, So forty eight

466
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.519
eight hundred dollars, and that was from January this year,

467
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:33.160
January thirty first. That's quite the sale. Now you would say, okay,

468
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.920
nearly fifty thousand dollars for the best football card we

469
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.920
have in existence when it comes to vintage, Well, let's

470
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.559
compare that to a historic baseball card that you and

471
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.680
I came up with. And we kind of also, John

472
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.920
and I backed this comparison's up and even the ones

473
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.440
after this with chat, GPT and other systems, so we're

474
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.799
not just you know, picking get ourselves. There's some method

475
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:04.079
or madness. Would be the T to six on his Wagner.

476
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:05.279
Now for this one.

477
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.000
We just happened to fall on a PSA one because

478
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.599
we had a recent seale of that, and we took

479
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.519
the nicer version of the PSA one that was recently sold.

480
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.839
So the quote Honus Wagner of of baseball cards or

481
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:24.359
the Bronco and the Jersky, I should say a football

482
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:25.079
cards would.

483
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:25.440
Be the Wagner.

484
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:29.799
So you got five point one million versus forty eight

485
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.279
thousand dollars fit forty nine thousand dollars. That's a big,

486
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:34.559
big difference.

487
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.559
And that's a massacre.

488
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:43.279
Yeah, and in terms of value, and they're both arguably listen, Tony,

489
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:47.000
they're both arguably the most iconic cards in the sport

490
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.279
and in the hobby of their sport.

491
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.680
So yeah, now people may say, yeah, but you know,

492
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:54.839
the Bronco has a higher pop.

493
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:55.359
And that's true.

494
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.400
You know, there's about two hundred and fifty total graded

495
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:04.799
amongst all the party greaters for that card. But again

496
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.160
it's just a huge difference. So if you want to

497
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.400
get the top football card of all time, I guess

498
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:12.599
it's more attainable than it is for baseball. So that's

499
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.599
the first that's the first comparison that we came up with.

500
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.039
The second one is the nineteen thirty three Gaudy Sports

501
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:25.400
Kings Newt Rockney and again PSA three, And the last

502
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.200
one that sold was November of twenty twenty five, or

503
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.839
nearly twenty five hundred dollars iconic football player, you know,

504
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:38.960
probably known for more of his college speech than anything else,

505
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.039
but you know, twenty five hundred dollars for the maybe

506
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.240
the second most popular pre work card. Uh. Then we

507
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:54.160
go to this baseball equivalent, which and before we do that,

508
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.839
just so folks know, we're well aware, John and I

509
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.519
are well aware that the Gaudy Sports Kings is a

510
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.960
multi sports set. It wasn't just one, but the equivalent

511
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.279
today thirty three Gaudy Sports Kings we came up with

512
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.799
was the thirty three Gallay Babe Ruth. Now we understand

513
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.119
there's a Babe Ruth in that Sports King set, but

514
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:16.079
it's a little bit more harder card to find than

515
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.680
one of the four Gaudy cards. But the last PSA

516
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.160
three sold for nineteen thousand dollars in March ninth, twenty

517
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.119
twenty six, about a week ago of US recording the show,

518
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.079
so Newt sold for twenty five hundred dollars round it

519
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.279
and the Babe is sold for a nineteen thousand, big

520
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.039
big gap. What are your thoughts about this card difference?

521
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.960
Yeah, I mean new Rockney is, like you said, he's

522
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.480
a legend, Notre Dame coach, like you know what I mean.

523
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.480
But Babe Ruth isn't a whole different. You know, like

524
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:54.359
kids today know who Babe Ruth is for most of them, right.

525
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.240
I don't think kids today, if you say Newt Rockney,

526
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.799
they might even laugh because of the name, right, Newt Rockney.

527
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.720
They might even think he did well. What character was

528
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.720
he on on the Flintstones? Newt Rockney was that like

529
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.279
Fred's boss, you know, so, and I had half kid

530
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.200
in there. But like bay Ruth is just transcends I

531
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:16.480
don't even want to say baseball.

532
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.160
I think he transcends sports.

533
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.960
Yeah.

534
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.359
So I think while Newt Rockney is a legend, and

535
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:28.480
and anyone who loves football knows what he's famous for

536
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.240
and what he's known for, I think outside of football

537
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.440
that knowledge it becomes more limited. And I think that's

538
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.599
I mean, that's obviously why you uh, you know, and

539
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:43.720
and frankly, you know, bay Ruth had a better playing career.

540
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.839
You know, Rockney was known more for his coaching powers,

541
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.880
So I think that I think that's the big difference.

542
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.000
I think it's an easy, easy to figure.

543
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.960
Now, win one for the Gipper comes to mind because

544
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.720
you know, he made the speech and then Ronald Reagan's

545
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.640
form US President, you know, made a movie, whether you

546
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.200
like his acting ability or not. So we did talk

547
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.359
about including Jim Thorpe because he has a card too

548
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.640
in this set, but we excluded him because he played both.

549
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.519
I mean, you have Jim Thorpe baseball cards from the

550
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.759
nineteen teams. You know, I think it's a nineteen twenty

551
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.160
issue too, but I know you got football cards, so

552
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.000
you got Olympic cards. He's in every set because he

553
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.279
played so many different sports. So that's why some of

554
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.039
our listeners may be wondering, why isn't Thorpe in their

555
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.200
ex because he played both sports. We're just trying to

556
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:42.519
concentrate on long player athletes. The next card that you

557
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:46.160
came up with was a very iconic card, the nineteen

558
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.640
fifty eight tops Jim Brown, and we chose a PSA

559
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.160
five for this because of the fifties, and the last

560
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.079
one sold for sixteen hundred dollars.

561
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:56.359
That's insane.

562
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:03.000
Yeah, you have who I arguably called maybe the one

563
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.799
of the top football players of all time, maybe the

564
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:10.119
Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb of football in terms of

565
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.400
popularity for you know, player wise, maybe the Mickey Mantle

566
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:15.440
of football.

567
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.599
I mean, the Willie Mays of football. Jim Brown. He

568
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:21.839
accomplished so many things.

569
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:24.559
When they had twelve game seasons, then they went to

570
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.559
fourteen game seasons, and he didn't even play for a

571
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.680
long time. He got out when you know, he felt

572
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.599
his body was going. He won championships, he won MVPs,

573
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.319
and he retired early.

574
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.960
And then he became a movie a movie act. I

575
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.839
don't want to say movie star, but he was.

576
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:41.759
He was a star.

577
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:46.640
Yeah, he became a movie star. Obviously, very outspoken and

578
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:53.480
active and civil rights and social causes. Didn't mince words, right,

579
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:54.720
He didn't have to wonder.

580
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.039
What he was thinking. He would tell you.

581
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.799
And arguably, you know people talk about grace. When people

582
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.640
talk about Jim Brown, they just say football.

583
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:05.960
Ever to do it.

584
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.519
They're not even they're not even putting a position on

585
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.279
it where people say, oh, Barry Sanders was a great

586
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.039
running back, maybe the greatest of all time. Jim Brown

587
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.480
was just talking about maybe the best football player of

588
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.519
all time, and he he cut his own career short

589
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:26.599
short to pursue those other opportunities. And to think, and

590
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.599
I got one behind me, not a five, but I

591
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.599
have a Jim Brown rookie over my shoulder.

592
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.599
And to think that a five is only you know,

593
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.680
I know, I know ot of preference.

594
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.680
When I say only sixteen hundred for some people to

595
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.079
be like, well, that's still four figures. Well, when you

596
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.480
think of all his accomplishments on the field and off,

597
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.440
that's uh, that's not a high.

598
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.119
Number to obtain to me an icon of card.

599
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.720
And if you compare that Jim Brown to a fifty

600
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.519
one Boom and Willie Mays the last PFA five May's

601
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.680
sold this month or one thousand, three d and fifty dollars.

602
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.519
And I'll say that, I'll say that real quick, Tony.

603
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:06.839
I'll make this quick. Please.

604
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.480
I think the will A Maze is I think the

605
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:10.599
Willy Maze is underbattered at that price.

606
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.239
M Yeah, we we picked the Maze over the mantle

607
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.440
because mantle is gonna be used for another card. But

608
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.559
I mean, we could have went with Jackie Robinson for

609
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.679
Jim Brown. There was a number of players. We just

610
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.119
felt like, you know, comparing the Hint to Mayze would

611
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.039
probably make the most sense. Heck, we could have even

612
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.079
use the fifty one Bowman mantle and use the fifty

613
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:38.039
two tops you know mantle for another card, which we have.

614
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:41.480
But uh yeah, I just don't. I mean, Maze is

615
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.960
one of the greats in his sport. Brown is one

616
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.199
of the greats in his sport. Uh, I just don't

617
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:52.000
see this price gap difference being Uh, it just it's

618
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:52.679
I just.

619
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.280
Don't I see it and I hear it. I just

620
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.000
don't agree with, especially with what we began the show with.

621
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.000
With you know how much more popular football is than baseball,

622
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:08.480
at least for today's standards. The next card we picked

623
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.480
was a card I think you would agree with was

624
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.559
far more popular when we were growing up, which is

625
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.679
the sixty five Tops Joe Namath when I started collecting

626
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.280
cards in nineteen eighty four, but I really ramped up

627
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.039
in nineteen eighty six. Uh and I got a couple

628
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:34.159
Becket issues, the annual issues in this case, but pretty

629
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.920
much other sport card Price Guides CCP comes to mind

630
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.599
where they had football cards. This is one of those

631
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.760
cards where I thought this was the nineteen fifty two

632
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.039
Tops Mackey Mantle of football cards.

633
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.639
You had Nay Myth holding the ball. I don't even

634
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:52.800
think this is a licensed card. I'm not sure. I

635
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:54.400
would have to check. I should have did this check

636
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:55.760
in before, but.

637
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.119
I know the Tops. Yeah, and Tops only had.

638
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:05.280
The NFL at this for this year because another manufacturer

639
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.320
produced the NFL cards because they were talking about merging

640
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.519
and stuff like that. But I mean, Name it he's

641
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.679
iconic for not only the Super Bowl win, but a

642
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.280
lot of people give Name going to the NFL. The

643
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.880
uh was it the AFC or the NFL. I keep saying, sorry, AFL,

644
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.599
Sorry AFL. He I mean they give him credit for

645
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.880
uniting both the NFL and the AFL to form the

646
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.400
league from the merger. And yeah, so growing up, this

647
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.079
was a far more popular card.

648
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:38.599
Yeah.

649
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.000
Name never had the stats that we saw in the

650
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:48.159
nineteen eighties with Montana and Marino and uh Elway, But

651
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.880
people forget that Name also was the first quarterback in

652
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.800
history to throw for over four thousand yards in a

653
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.719
one season and it was only a fourteen game season.

654
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.400
Yeah, we gotta remember two of the rules were were dead.

655
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.840
The cornerbacks could like hand check the receivers past five yards.

656
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.079
It was more physical with the corners on the receivers,

657
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.159
so it's harder to get open if you will. Now,

658
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.559
I do think Name It's this sort of overrated when

659
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.440
you look at his overall numbers. Yeah, if you have

660
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.280
to fact check me. But might have thrown more picks

661
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:25.599
than touchdowns in his career again, if he did, keep

662
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.519
in mind some of the rules were different than that.

663
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.519
That played into why those numbers may look different. But

664
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.599
he's known for the Guarantee right for being braggadocious. They

665
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.760
were major underdogs and he was like, we're winning this game.

666
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:46.119
Watch watch the game. Uh, we're winning, And people thought

667
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.360
like and that you know that stuff today is sort

668
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.119
of so commonplace we don't even think twice about it

669
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:52.639
as much.

670
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.960
But back then, uh, people there wasn't a lot of

671
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:56.800
trash talkings.

672
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.000
So that made like front page that was front page news.

673
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.639
His name is guarantees victory right.

674
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.159
Here, seventeen point underdog if.

675
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.440
And backed it up.

676
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.519
So I think that plays into his legend to and

677
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.920
into why this card is so popular. I'm not a

678
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.320
fan of Name It as maybe some other people are,

679
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.280
but you know, it is what it is like he

680
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:23.079
he did that it played in.

681
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.159
He was very, very outspoken.

682
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.519
He's doing a lot of commercials wearing fur coats, even

683
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.760
did a even did an ad where he's wearing women's pantyhose, right,

684
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.440
stuff that other people wouldn't dare dude, he dare do

685
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.639
He took that chance.

686
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.320
And it paid off for him. And then we know

687
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.400
later on, you know, some other stuff not not his

688
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.119
fine at moments. Uh you know, he got a little

689
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:46.519
bit of.

690
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:54.079
Sue Cooper and yeah, I don't care about the druggling

691
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.800
right right the rest.

692
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.760
So he's he stayed in sort of linelight. Even post career.

693
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.960
People always want to talk to him about why'd you

694
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:06.039
make that guarantee?

695
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:07.400
What was going through your mind?

696
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.840
Even though he's probably said it fifty million times, everyone

697
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.079
still wants to talk about Yeah.

698
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.719
And uh so at this when Nayth was in his

699
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.639
heyday and the Jets were actually pretty good, because there's

700
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.440
you Weibanks is the reason why the Jets didn't have

701
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.199
a dynasty because he started selling off players. They had

702
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:32.960
players who went on to other teams. But Namath was

703
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:37.119
in New York City and he hung around with Mickey Mantle.

704
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:38.400
They went to the same.

705
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:42.400
Clubs, bars, you know, touts shores comes to mind. And

706
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.960
if you look at old SI issues, Nay, it was

707
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.360
on just as many covers as any other athlete. I

708
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.800
have a nineteen seventy two SI issue in my office

709
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.239
and name it is on the cover. And that's the

710
00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:00.360
same issue that Roberto Clemente was written about out for

711
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.119
having hit his three thousand tick. And while Namath has

712
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:10.440
a whole spread plus to cover, only one paragraph is

713
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:15.880
devoted towards Clemente hitting three thousand tits. It's just mind boggling.

714
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.960
So with that in mind, and with Namath being in

715
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.000
New York and even hanging out with Mickey Manto. In fact,

716
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.199
the first time he met Mansell, he was starstruck by

717
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.920
him and Mantle said, well, you know, you're pretty damn popular.

718
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:29.480
You're yourself, Joe.

719
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.239
So yeah, But we have to.

720
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.199
Compare this to the fifty two tops Mickey Mantle in

721
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:39.199
the PSA five grade. So the name of the last

722
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.800
PSA five name Myth, as we said, sold for forty

723
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.840
nine to twenty on mar Chase. The last PSA five

724
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.239
mantles sold February twenty first, twenty twenty six for two

725
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.239
hundred and fourteen thousand dollars rounded up.

726
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.199
Wow, I mean, and we understand the tea.

727
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.920
I'll make it up. I'm not big name is guys,

728
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.280
so I'll make it up. You know, I can make

729
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.960
an argument that but that in my book, it might

730
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:06.559
be high for.

731
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:07.320
For name it.

732
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.079
But you got to keep in mind the year of

733
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.639
the card, how many there were, like all all those

734
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.480
factors that go into it. But yeah, yeah, you know,

735
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.480
when you look at careers, Mano's career, name of career,

736
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.599
you take away all the glitz and the glamour and

737
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.679
the cover boys stuff. I mean, Mano was to me

738
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.480
better in his sport comparably.

739
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.320
Yeah, in the name, Yeah, every way.

740
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.679
I just included this comparison because growing up, you know,

741
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.800
all the magazines and price guides always even baseball card

742
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.320
baseball cards which came out on them it was every

743
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.519
other month, then it came out every month.

744
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.880
They always compared the fifty.

745
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.719
Two Topspintle for some reason too, that Joe Namath card. Uh.

746
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.119
Next up, you want to give this one.

747
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:54.920
Let's see, we'll put it up here.

748
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.360
Oh, the Iuto gram, Yeah, the the fifty Bowman idol

749
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:05.039
Graham are arguably you know, the first uh probably you know,

750
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:10.039
superstar quarterback if you will, comparably speaking, and as we

751
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:14.360
mentioned earlier, like people don't even talk about them really anymore. Again,

752
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.880
it was a different error, different rules, not so much

753
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.760
a passing league. Uh and what do go ahead and

754
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:23.800
give out the grade and the sale there?

755
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:27.159
Yeah, so it's a PSA five and it was sold

756
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:33.199
March this month for one and eighty five dollars. No,

757
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.880
it's not, it's not a it's not a hard card

758
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.760
to find if you want to find centered. It's pretty

759
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.559
damn hard if you want to find it signed with

760
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.280
the true signature. And I laughed at that because I

761
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.519
was just holding to a friend about the number of

762
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:53.960
another friend about the number of autogram signatures. Us, it's

763
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.719
a hard card to find centered. It's a hard card

764
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.920
to find signed h you know, with a good qu

765
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.079
quality ballpointed signature. But for this one, this is a

766
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.320
very unusual comparison. We wanted to get another, you know,

767
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.360
Bowman cars, so we went with the Jackie card. Now,

768
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:17.159
obviously the forty nine Bowman Jackie and the fifty Bowman autogram.

769
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.480
The only thing they pretty much share in common are

770
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.719
one they were both made by Bowman, and two they're

771
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.840
both rookie cars. Because we know there's no such thing

772
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.480
as a forty eight leaf Jackie Robinson. It's forty nine

773
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:32.559
leaf Jackie Jackie Robinson.

774
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:37.880
So the LASTA five, Well, I guess now people are

775
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.920
calling it forty eight forty nine.

776
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.880
Yeah it was, yeah, but yeah, totally get it.

777
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.880
If you go back the old price guides from the

778
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.239
early nineteen eighties, you really didn't even see the leaf

779
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.199
set issued. Oh sorry, the leaf set published the price guys.

780
00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:59.639
But when you did started to see it, it was

781
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.039
forty nine leaf. Somebody at PSA made a decision to

782
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.480
call it forty eight without any basis, probably David Hall,

783
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.880
I'm just guessing, because he probably had to give to

784
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.440
go ahead to that or someone who worked for him.

785
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:17.199
Because this because I actually saw a old PSA flip

786
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.440
at the Philly Show and I took a screenshot of

787
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.000
it about two years ago, and the flip on this

788
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:27.639
PSA grated Jackie Robinson was actually set forty nine leaf.

789
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.440
So at some point PSA did call them forty nine LEAs,

790
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.480
but for some reason there was a change. So we

791
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:40.719
talked about the autogram PSA five sold for almost thirteen

792
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.519
hundred round it. Well, the last PSA five Jackie sold

793
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.159
for fifteen thou six hundred dollars. Okay, but we understand

794
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.119
the differences of the popularity of the players, but for

795
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.159
this comparison, so for the comparison's sake, this is the

796
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.760
last card that the last two cards that we picked,

797
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.679
and uh, you know, this is probably the worst comparison

798
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.599
I think of the cards of all the players who

799
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.639
we did compare from baseball to.

800
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:09.679
Football.

801
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.199
But at the same time, you know, they do have

802
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.039
a little bit of things in common, but very different

803
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.719
players and very different meanings to their sports. So John,

804
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.360
I wanted I thought about a few different reasons why

805
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:29.760
you know vintage football is is it nearly as popular

806
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:33.679
as vintage baseball? And you touched upon this in the

807
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:37.800
beginning of the show. I wanted to talk about the

808
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.079
history and not so much about the history of each sport,

809
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.280
but what about the history? And I came up with

810
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.559
two glaring assets that baseball has which football doesn't have.

811
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.159
And for some reason it's I don't see it ever happening.

812
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:01.599
Is Saber. We have a Saber organization for baseball. We

813
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.920
don't have it for basketball. We don't have it for football.

814
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.559
And I just think that's number one. We have no

815
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.639
historians that are really writing about I mean they're trying

816
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.400
to with some books, but usually it's there.

817
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.280
They're football and basketball historians, but they're like almost like

818
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.559
there's no group together, like sitting down in a room

819
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.719
and saying, Hey, what's not being talked about that we

820
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.440
need to get out there and put this together.

821
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:33.320
Yeah, who's bringing them together?

822
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.519
Great point about Saber, right, and it goes back to

823
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.159
my earlier point. I'll make this short.

824
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:39.639
Right, we know.

825
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.079
Baseball record book numbers where we don't know football and

826
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.920
even basketball. I know this was not a basketball kind

827
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.519
of show today, but when you look at baseball historic

828
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:56.360
record numbers, we know them verbatim and we don't not

829
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.639
only do we not know them in basketball in some

830
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.639
case says we don't even know who the record holder is.

831
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.840
Let know the number, right, there's people will get the

832
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:07.679
all time rushing leader?

833
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:08.000
Wrong?

834
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:08.320
Right?

835
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.360
We know Will, We know Will's hundred point game, right,

836
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.239
but do we know do people know who is the

837
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.079
all time leader in scoring in the NBA?

838
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:19.559
Right?

839
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.360
People don't know those things where we know like the

840
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.280
all time home run hit. We know the Pete Rose

841
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.599
is the all time hits leader, not in the Hall

842
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.599
at this point, but probably should be post you know,

843
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:36.159
post deaths.

844
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.199
So so baseball just but.

845
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.719
There's more history pertaining to records in numbers than the

846
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.760
other any sport, let's make it just We'll just say

847
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.360
any sport. You know, there's there's people who aren't even

848
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:54.400
necessarily huge baseball fans that know certain baseball numbers just

849
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.960
because it's such a lexicon.

850
00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:59.480
So I'm gonna put you on the spot right now.

851
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.400
Can you name and you know the player?

852
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.840
But how many home runs to Barry Bonds hit in

853
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:07.719
that year when he broke the record in.

854
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:08.480
Two thousand and one?

855
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.960
I believe it was seventy three? Bingo?

856
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:17.159
Okay, and do you remember, well, you know, Bingo. I

857
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.320
just liked how you knew that right off the bat. Okay,

858
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:21.960
A huge Barry Bonds guy?

859
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.320
Yeah, neither of mine. So who this is a two parter?

860
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.079
Which player? And how many have the most single season

861
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:32.320
touchdown passes?

862
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.000
Who led? Like led?

863
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.239
The name and the number of this quarterback who threw

864
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.280
the most touchdowns in a single season?

865
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.039
Didn't Mahomes do fifty something?

866
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:50.079
He's second with fifty. But this, but this illustrates your point.

867
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.920
I mean, I asked you a question and you knew

868
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.800
the base line. You're not even a Bonds fan, and

869
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:58.360
you knew the number right up the back of your

870
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.480
in the right of theft your hand head. And then

871
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:05.599
when it comes to football, Mahomes is second with fifty

872
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:06.960
in twenty eighteen.

873
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.280
Do you know the first person?

874
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:10.880
Is it Brady?

875
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.719
He's third, tied with Mahomes.

876
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.280
He's actually tied for second with fifty in two thousand

877
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:17.679
and seven.

878
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.119
Is it still Marino? I don't I wouldn't think so.

879
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:26.400
Marino is fifth with forty eight in nineteen.

880
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.760
I'm going to be mad at myself for not knowing.

881
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.920
This illustrates the problem with not having saber for football,

882
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.559
like an organization that compiles like all the John Thorns

883
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.480
of the world into one organization where they is you

884
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.320
have a brain trust? Or ken Burns? Where is ken

885
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:53.679
Burns documentary on the NFL? I mean, come on, someone else,

886
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:54.239
is right?

887
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:54.639
Someone?

888
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:55.000
Yeah?

889
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:55.559
Anybody?

890
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.719
Look, I'm still mad about ken Burns how he believed

891
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.599
Al Stump for all the things about pod Com.

892
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:02.679
But that's for a different show.

893
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.199
It's Peyton Nanning with fifty five in twenty thirteen.

894
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:11.760
Yeah, I should know that I love Bateman and that'sers.

895
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:14.440
Yeah, he was a great quarterback and nobody really talks

896
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:15.360
us about him anymore.

897
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.880
Everything is Mahomes and Brady and you know.

898
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:22.559
But the problem with Peyton is he played under Brady's shadow.

899
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.199
I can make an argument this week. This could be

900
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.039
a whole other show. I've said this on my podcast

901
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.360
as My Dog Marked. I can make an argument that Brady,

902
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.559
that Peyton Manny was a better quarterback than Tom Brady.

903
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.880
He just didn't have the coaching staff and the system

904
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.000
in place to win more rings and Brady did.

905
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.400
I think for the first half of Manning's career he

906
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.920
was considered the better quarterback, even though Brady had more

907
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:50.880
Super Bowl wins.

908
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:55.360
But at some point when because Brady.

909
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.119
Manning, I mean, I think for the first half of

910
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.159
Manning's career he was considered the better of the two

911
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.920
quarterbacks despite having what Super Bowl wins. And then when

912
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.000
Brady went to Denver and he won a Super Bowl

913
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.360
there and he played in other super Bowl when Manning,

914
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:17.000
when Manning went to Denver, he took a year off

915
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.559
to you know, heal up and get his therapy. Uh,

916
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.239
it was too late. Brady took over that mantle. It

917
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.079
didn't matter even if he would have won, you know,

918
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:28.679
an extra super Bowl ring or so.

919
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:34.000
But that's a it's just another example. So that's what

920
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:36.599
I had for today on this topic.

921
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.239
We need an organization or we need someone like Ken

922
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.079
Burns to make a video about the history of football,

923
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:45.199
and maybe that would help.

924
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.559
I think it would.

925
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.639
I think it would help. But I think baseball. Tony

926
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.760
has such a head start in this.

927
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.559
Race, but cares about baseball today.

928
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.239
It apparently, you know, if you want to end it

929
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.440
on I thought about this before we even recorded. You know,

930
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.400
whether that gap will be closed. I think fifty years

931
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.519
from now, I won't be You might.

932
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:13.519
Still you'll you'll be here years from now because I'll

933
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.000
be one hundred, I'll be like Yoda.

934
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.079
But uh, fifty years from now, I think the same

935
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:25.199
conversation might be different because that Brady contenders a lot

936
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.679
of the r pas there in.

937
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.119
Football my home stuff.

938
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.360
So this too to another Tony and another John might

939
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.000
be doing this show talking about the baseball being so

940
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:46.960
far behind in vintage football prices, right, so you know that's.

941
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.079
Things can change.

942
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:50.719
It's just gonna take It's not it's not gonna I'll

943
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.679
say this, It's probably not gonna happen in our lifetime,

944
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:54.800
but eventually it might.

945
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:59.119
Not to go off on another into another rabbit hole,

946
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:00.960
because we're already jumped into a few of them. But

947
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.960
if what people are predicting for two thousand and twenty

948
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.840
seventh with Major League Baseball, let's say that season is missed.

949
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.280
Let's say, worst case, the twenty twenty seven season is missed.

950
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.800
It's actually even worse than what happen in nineteen ninety four.

951
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.440
Do you think it helps vintage football more?

952
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.320
I think so. I mean how much I guess we could.

953
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.400
That could be the argument.

954
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.920
But of course it's gonna help because how many times

955
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.880
we've seen you mentioned the ninety four strike. I remember

956
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.239
I was in cards then, yeah, two years old. How

957
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.760
many people are like, I'm done collecting cards. I'm selling

958
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.519
my cars. These guys are greedy. I don't even want

959
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.199
to pay for packs and open boxes. Right, they're gonna

960
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.199
get rid of their car. There's gonna be a sour case,

961
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.519
you will, and baseball fans and baseball collectors, right, maybe

962
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.480
some of those folks that are saying I'm getting out

963
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.559
of the hobby. Maybe instead of saying they're getting out

964
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:57.559
of the hobby, they're gonna be like, hey, I'm gonna

965
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.119
start collector football cards. And anytime if someone comes into

966
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.480
a new part of the hobby, right, some of those

967
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:08.360
guys will go backtrack and buy those Vintitch cards. I

968
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.679
wasn't around in the fifties and sixties, but I still

969
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.840
own those eras of football cards because I went back

970
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.800
and bought them as a football card. So that's yeah,

971
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.039
the strike would be really bad across many levels for

972
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:26.719
the sport itself. It sting would help. It would help

973
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.440
the football card market, Like to what degree that would

974
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.599
have to remain to be seen, but no doubt it would.

975
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.039
But just in the simple fact that it would hurt

976
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.480
the baseball market, right, So it's like a scale. Anytime

977
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:43.000
one side goes down, you know, gets more popular, the

978
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:44.159
other one's gonna get lighter.

979
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.840
So you know, I guess it's to what degree? How fast?

980
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:49.840
Hey Chell?

981
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:51.519
Chell? Chell?

982
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.800
All right, thanks everybody. We'll see I don't know when,

983
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.880
but we'll be back for episode two at some point

984
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.320
in the near future. Take care, see