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Sports Guard, Nations, Hobbies, the People, Wheely News and Interviews.
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It's your number one song. Spalls Garnation. Hobby is the
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people spawns Garnation.
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What is up, everybody? Welcome to episode three seventy two
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of Sports Coordination. A little under the weather. I've got
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COVID for the second time that I know of in
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my life. Minor symptoms. I'm doing all right, no fever,
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so I have to wear a mask. That's probably the
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worst thing about it. You know, a little hadache, little
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scratchy throat, but it could be a lot worse. So,
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you know, no pity party for me, just forgured. I'm
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pretty you know, open with things I share. So but
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the show will go on as always, and this will
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be part two of our conversation with Nascard Radios, val
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Mars and Logan Ward. We're gonna talk a little more
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hobby on part two than we did part one, which
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focused on their racing card Hall of Fame card induction.
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We'll chop up a little bit more hobby on this episode.
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So with that being said, we'll keep the intro short
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and sweet and get the show started. Okay, here is
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the conclusion of our conversation with val Mar's Logan Ward
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from Nascard Radio Enjoy.
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Hey John, Yeah, we go back away.
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Yeah yeah.
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We can't promise anyone's safety on these episodes that are
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coming out of us, but buckle up to use a
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racing for a card tournament. We're gonna and and you
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guys are you know, doing a great job with NASCAR
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Radio and that side of the hobby. You guys are
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probably you know, when we talk about that side of
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the hobby, you guys are the first two guys you
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mentioned right at the right, at the forefront of that.
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We're gonna get into some of that. You've got an
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endeavor that you're you're doing a racing card Hall of Fame.
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We're gonna get to that, but let's get let's start
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off with something. You know, here's the thing, and you
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get this happens to you guys, And I don't know
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if it bothers you or I think sometimes when you
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when you specialize in an area like racing cards, people
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think that's all you know. And I know, obviously from
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knowing you guys, I know that's not the case. You know,
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the hobby besides racing cards, even though that your your
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main focus. You're not tonal vision. You see what's going
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on across the board. So let's let's start there, guys,
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kind of a state of the union. Whoever wants to go,
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like where the hobby is here? As we wrap up?
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You know this is gonna air in twenty twenty six.
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As we wrapped up twenty twenty five, which was no
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shortage of news that seemed like every week in the Hobby,
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good bow good.
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To say something. So do you throw our time and
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off usually just being logan on the show? Uh yeah,
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you know, uh doing doing a niche and like NASCAR
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as well as we kind of keep tabs on some
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of the oose and you know, like wax and there's
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a lot of similarities and you know how you uh yeah,
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it just seems like twenty twenty five and a lot
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of stuff. I didn't have my biard there with the
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says buying everything up, and I.
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Got breaking news the new owner of sports Car Nation
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podcast is Collectors. I just they just called me. We
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worked there.
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I'm kidding, congratulations.
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So here's what I'm supposed to say. Now, I'm just
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kidding that that is not just for those who don't
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get my humor or our humor. That is just a
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we're joking, but they can't afford me.
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There you go, well, I don't know, you uh not,
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he's got he's got some deep pocket or maybe he
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Fina similes you so uh yeah, I mean you know
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where to start in five?
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Well, let's start there. Let's start stare a veil like
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the collective universe now in a sense owning three grading
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acted with P s A, SGC and now Beckett like
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you know, I don't you know there's a thousand grading
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card companies, some we've never even heard of, don't know of.
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That's gonna be what they hang their head on that
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they're not a monopoly. But let's be real, right, that's
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three of the big four. If you want to keep
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it out of big four, what do you see being
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the one on the outside looking in? You know, thoughts
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on that is that good for the hobby, bad for
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the hobby? Neither? Just it is what it is. Like
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where do you fall on that question?
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Well, I'll answer that one.
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I know less than europe PSA Hall of Famers. So
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we're like, yeah, for sure.
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Yeah I am in the PSA Collector's Hall of Fame.
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But you know, back when I first started grading, which
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was over twenty years ago, I remember going to the
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National and bulk submitting like a couple hundred cards and
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getting prices at about four dollars a card at bulk rades.
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Now it's what twenty two however much it is now,
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it's it's it's it's just grown exponentially and it it's
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it's gotten to a point where, man, it's it's PSA.
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I love you, Nat, I love you guys. But I
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feel like I'm being priced out as a collector. It's
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just the prices are too high. The cards that I
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want to grade are not worth grading at the prices
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that they're charging. And not only that, it seems like
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if you're a set Registry member that you know, getting
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comments graded at well, like I said, twenty two dollars
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or whatever it is, now, I hit.
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Yeah, those days are over. Those days are over four dollars.
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That was nineteen four. I was nineteen thirty nine.
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No, ninety forty. You need to get your get your faction.
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But but it's hard to be a set registree collector
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like I am with the prices that that that they're charging.
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And then you know, you see prices go up, and
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you see turnaround times go higher. You know, we go
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from whatever sixty five days is seventy five days or whatever.
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But you know why, you guys know why because they
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got you. Now they got you even more because you
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know before before you could always say before these acts
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logan and value, you can say, well, you know what,
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I've had it, I've fed up with PSA, I'm going
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to SGC, I'm going to beck it. Now. When you
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say that, right, they're like, okay, with the money comes
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to the same same bank vault, right, like, do what
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you want to do. So that's that's I guess if
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I don't have a major problem, but I guess that's
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it is because it's like Burger King, Biden, McDonald's, and Wendy's, right,
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or you know, whatever analogy you want to make. The
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three supermarkets that might be in your region that are
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competitors now they're owned by the same parent company. So
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no matter where you do your shopping, they don't really
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care anymore because the money still winds up in the
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same place. Where when it's not owned by the same company,
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they're competing against one another. They want to be better
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because they want you to do business with them, and
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them only now now they've just got their hands in
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three different tills. And that's just on the grading side.
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We could do a whole an other show on just
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hobby and these, right, So that's where I fall, like,
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that's what makes me nervous is is you you don't
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have a lot of places to turn that are that
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are reputable known grading companies unless that's at this point
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to me, cgc's that last remaining one and they're known
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more for their nonsports and TCG. You know, will that
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change now? Maybe maybe they get a bump from from
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what all this this news go ahead. I'd got enough.
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One of the things I was gonna say, and I
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don't think it gets kind of talked enough about, But
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is the set right? I think that was a big
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draw that folks for the four hours five hours, you know,
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that's when I kind of got started completing sets in
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the set registry, right, and that was kind of driving
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some of that. And then I could see for the
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hiring cards like that which will get their stuff graded.
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And it's always been a draw and it helps with
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pricing psa set that So, but I mean he's smart
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with you know, the PSA has changed hands that and
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they're buying their competence, I guess, trying to keep maybe
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fanatics out, fanatics on how tactics and how they've wrangled
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all that that sport off. And again to your point,
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like they bought all the competitors. These little guys, they
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have no foothold or challenge, and again is the big draw.
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And that's why I don't leave. You can ask Logan
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how many he has and how many cards he has,
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and they can fit in all those. I think if
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you get in, you don't get out.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm all in with PSA right now.
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And you know, I think the market has changed substantially
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and p s A has catered to the changes because
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now it's not a collector market. This is my opinion.
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It's not a collector market per se. It's a flipping market.
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It's all about making money. It's all about greed, and
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PSA is like, okay, and I understand it. They want
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to they want to get their money because they know
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that these people are going to grade these cards, sell
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them for you know extra, you know, exorbitantly more money,
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and uh flip these cards. So ps A is going
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to charge more so that I'm not the target market
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any for it's the flippers and the uh is one
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of our friends says, the invest of flip boys that
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that are that are the people that are, you know,
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flipping cards and all they are hot potatoes. Nobody's collecting
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them all. All somebody's doing is hoping they can buy
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this card at a good price, sell it at a profit,
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and let the next guy deal with the hot potato.
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That that's that's the market we're dealing with it.
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It's become it's become day trading, it's become gay tra
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a little bit. So you know, at this past year's
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National in Chicago, you know there was the downstairs which
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became like you know, trade night, with people putting their
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stuff on the table. I didn't go down there. I
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went down there. Really it was kind of a secret
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bathroom that you didn't have to wait in line for.
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But the truth be told, guys, But you know, and
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walking the floor, you know you hear conversations, right, and
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you made a great point vow right that people are
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there's no more attachment at all to cards like oh
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I love this card, I want to buy own ten
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of them? Right? You know this is the things I
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would hear on that that trading for. Oh I just
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got this three hours ago. I need this for it,
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you know what I mean. So there's no it's just
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a view. It's just a vessel to get the next
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thing hours later, to get the next thing hours later,
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to get the next thing the next day, the next weekend,
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the next show. You know, when we use the term
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PC right for personal collection, I think that's becoming sort
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of a lost start. I don't know if people have
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you know, I've even heard I'm not gonna match your names.
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I heard someone I know say they used to have
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a personal collection. But now the way the market is,
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everything has a price and they're not attached to anything.
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So even personal collection, they're going the way of the
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dinosaur and like they don't exist anymore. Every you know,
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and I know the saying everything has a price, and
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it is true. I mean, I you know my Grail
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cards behind me in this Jackie Robinson Rookie. If someone
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offered me more than it's worth, I'm gonna sell it.
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And then but what am I gonna do with buy
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another one and just replace it? So I'm not just
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keeping the money. I would I still have the card
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if someone wanted to overpay, So that's a little different.
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But people just there is very few people or it
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seemed like PCs are a a lot of starters.
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Oh, there's there's no doubt about that, John Uh.
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And I'm gonna go back to the prime word that
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I'm using here is is greed.
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People see that they they see they see things on TV.
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Okay, oh this card, Caitlyn Clark card sold for blah
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blah blah, or this card sold for blah blah blah,
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and they're going, oh my god, I can make all
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this money with trading cards.
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So that's their mentality.
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Their mentality is not to collect, which you know, this
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is supposed to be a hobby, which again in my opinion,
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has kind of ceased to be a hobby and a
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lot of aspect and there's this I don't I'm not
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a fan of what I'm seeing in the hobby and
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people out there. You guys can call me an old head,
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you can call me whatever you want to call me,
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that's fine. But you know, I'm a true collector in
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the in the in the in the sense, and I've
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been collecting for over fifty years and I started doing
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this as a kid because I loved it and I
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still love it to this day. But that's not how
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it works now and maybe I need to come to
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grips with that. But the market is totally different.
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Well you're talking about like that, and I think with
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this whole gambling you know, blue are I don't say
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it was a scratch off opening open up wax boxes, right,
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I know the other sticking cards of those hot work
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commands tens of thousands of dollars and Johnnying tris. We
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have a really hot working right now in NASCAR one
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on one in National Car high end, I know, super high.
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Maybe life chakle of buying all this wax and mentality
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trying and get this.
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Yeah, here's the thing, guys. You can do both. Like
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I'll point to myself as an example. So I've done
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shows since I've been a fifteen year old kid. So
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I've done thirty seven years of setting up a shows
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as a dealer. Now I have a dealer inventory and
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then everything you know you see behind me and in
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boxing that never goes with me to the show. That's
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my PC. Like you could be you can do both.
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And again I don't want this to be misconstrued as well.
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John thinks he's he's better because he does both. But
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you know, there is a part of the hobby, like
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you guys just pointed out, and I'm gonna point out
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that there's just no more. They don't keep anything. Everything
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is just there's no attachment. Everything is just a dollar sign.
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This card is this, this, that card is that. This
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other card is this, And that's all I'm concerned with.
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I don't care Oh he had a great game last night.
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Oh he wont to race last week. Now the card
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is this, That's all I care about. You know. I
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got in the cards as a very young kid because
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I was a sports kid. And then I learned they
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were making cards of these athletes that I loved and
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followed growing up in New York City, and I'm like,
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I gotta get the cards. I wasn't thinking, you know,
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dollars sign. I even got into doing shows. You know,
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I'll blame it on my my friends in peer pressure.
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You know, I wasn't chewing the gum, guys. I was
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trading my gum for more cards and getting my cavities
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from drinking Oca Cola instead. And I asked this, you know,
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pretty good collection for a little for a younger kid,
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a younger teen. I was working at a card shop
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and I saw I was working at card shows for
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the card store. And then all my friends were like,
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you got quite a collection, newman. Why don't you set
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up yourself? And I didn't. Initially, I think I was
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a year of hearing that, like what are you waiting for?
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Man to do it? You got enough stuff, And finally I,
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you know, I did. I said I'm gonna I'm gonna
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try it, and I did well. My first show, I
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had no bedside manner. I've talked about this on this
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I didn't talk to it. I just sat there until
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someone wanted to buy something off my table, to the
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point people thought like my dad was just in the
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bathroom or something. They didn't even realize it was my stuff.
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I told the story that one person said, hey, I'm
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interested in this card when your dad comes back. I
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kind of want to see if you can do little better,
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and I had to say, you know now that this
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is my stuff, and the look on their face when
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I said that. So, I hope after thirty seven years
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of card shows, I've improved some of that banter. I
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think I have, but not being that shy kid. But
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you know I keep cards that I self. But you
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can do both and you know, to be fully transparent.
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If you ask me, hey, John, does it bother you?
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If someone has zero attachment to the car, then it's
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just a vessel for money. Yeah, I'd say it bothers
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me a little bit. Am I losing sleep over it?
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No?
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But I you know, I like to think a hobby, right,
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you have, it's something you do, whether you build models
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or you paint, right, you keep some of what you do.
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Even if you sell some of what you you also
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some of what you do. And I just think it's
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it's different today than when we probably first got it.
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Yeah, it's definitely more empt that it's ever been.
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Uh.
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You know, I'll tell you this quick story. I remember
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years ago I collected hot wheel cars as well, and uh,
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I was at a Walmart one night. I picked up
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a card, I mean, excuse me, a car and I
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had in my hand and some dude comes in and
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he sees this car in my hand. He goes, hey,
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that's supposed to be for me. And I'm like, what
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are you talking about? He goes, no, that's supposed to
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be for me, he goes, I bet you don't even
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collect him or do anything with him. In fact, I
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ought to come and burn your house deck and he
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was screaming and yelling at me in the middle of
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Walmart and they had to escort.
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This guy out.
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And uh, that was the night that I ended up
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stopping collecting hot wheels because it's like, Okay, it's not
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worth it. If if people are that obsessed with it
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and think that you know, the value is you know
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how much I can sell it for a is all
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it's you know, all that it's you know about, then
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I don't want any part of this.
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So uh.
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And I used to think that Hollwell collectors were really
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you know, not even collectors, they were just you know, terrible,
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terrible collector.
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And then the pandemic came.
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Then I saw how the greed was and the prices
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and things, and how things changed in our hobby. And
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I don't think that the hotway collectors are the worst
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collectors in it. And that's that's a bad that's a
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terrible statement to make, but that's that's how I feel
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about the hobby in general, and more so with stick
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and ball, I would have to say that our aspect
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of the hobby, our little niche, is still primarily about
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collect because here's here's why. Because people look at Nascar
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and go, oh, it's Nascar cards. There's not much value
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in though, So I'm not gonna mess with it, and
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that's fine with me. I'm gonna still keep collecting and
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I'm still keep having fun with it. But the stick
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and ball, that's a whole nother story, and it really
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is disturbing.
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One thing I was gonna say, you know, I think
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we all prices rise. Its like that. My fear is
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stuff escalates silly high, and folks get a bad experience. Right,
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they spitied the dollars for a wax spot, get not
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even half their money back. Then they kind of get
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out of the hobby. You know, I've to stay in
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the hobby and collect and enjoy it. And when I
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was talking about the high wax probably like that, that's
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kind of where I'm coming from. Where you know, people
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having a bad experience, they leave the hobby.
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See, that's where I'm going to differ in different I'm
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gonna disagree with you some of that hobby growing. I
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hear all the time that we want to bring more
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people into the hobby. Why, somebody out there, somebody in
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the comments, somebody tell me why we want to grow
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the hobby, because all I see anymore is nothing. But
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I'm going to go back to it. And I keep
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using this word because it's it's absolutely true, greed. I
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don't want more greedy people in here.
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Now.
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If we get more hobbyists in here, people that truly
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care about the cards, want to keep the cards and
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collect the cards and have fun with it and make
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it a real hobby, I'm cool with that. But right now,
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people are in this hobby for the wrong reasons. Don't
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want the hobby to grow. No, and let me tell
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you this too, it would hurt my feelings one bit
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if the whole market crashed today.
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Well, I guess what I was saying, grow the hobby.
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You know we talked about before where we have NASCAR
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folks who don't even know they make Nascar cards, right,
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So we can't even get Nascar cards at the tracks.
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So because they complain about who's on the box because
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they don't want to promote some of the driver and
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Panini doesn't want to do a generic brand blaster. That's
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what I was talking about. With trying to grow this forard.
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We have folks who have been at the National Hall.
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You know, we've been to the NASCAR Hall of Fame
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getting cards autographed, and people are like, what is that
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they make those? Like, yeah, they've been making them since
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nineteen eighty eight.
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Every Yeah, that's crazy that that's like you hear that,
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you know when like you said, that's thirty seven years
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of NASCAR cards that people aren't even aware of that
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that track record pun intended.
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Right you are listening to the Sportscard Nation podcast.
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And going back to something Logan said, I agree with
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you Logan in this respect, right and vow and I
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don't want to speak for valies right here, but growing
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the hobby for people who are going to stick around
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for the long haul. That those are the people I
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want to come in to the hobby vow in logan right,
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people like I started, you know, as a seven year
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old kid in nineteen seventy nine. Here we are in
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twenty twenty five, forty six years later, and I'm still
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in the hobby. I want. I want people who are
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going to love the hobby through the tough times, the
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crescendo years like we like we have in some might argue,
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are still in Like. I want people in the hobby
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that are in it because, like you say, they enjoy
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the hobby. They're passionate about the hobby. If you make money,
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that's just sort of like the gravy on top of
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the potatoes. But they're there for the potatoes to begin with,
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like I am and you guys are. So you know,
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that's as far as I'll go. Like to get someone
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in the hobby for a three year window so they
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can make you know, fifty thousand dollars one hundred thousand
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dollars and then right off into the blue yonder. That
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that's not a hobbyist. That's someone who who dipped their
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toe in the water. They didn't jump into pool swim
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and stay right, they just they just took a dip
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and then then and then left in the grand scheme
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of things. So growing the hobby I'm all for. But
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it's it's to me like like you know, like you
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guys said, it's gotta be people who are going to
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stick around for the longhold. It's not just a red
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and black eyes and a profit and loss sheep. Because
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if that's all it is, we can make the debate
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whether even to call them hobbyists or not. We can
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just call them business people at that point, right, just
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to sell salesmen or women. So if they're if they're true,
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if they want to be a real hobbyist, and a
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real hobbyist can sell stuff that's not where I do that,
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I feel because I sell that shows. There's show inventory,
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but where does you know where does sixty to seventy
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percent of the money I make out a show go
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right back in the hobby right and some of that
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and it's not all for show inventory. Some of that
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is stuff that I'm buying that's in this room and
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never going to see one of my showcases. Right, so
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I'm forth growing the hobby. If they're really hobbyists coming in,
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if it's just people see you know, profit and loss,
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then I can debate whether they're the hobbyist. To begin with,
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you're not really growing the hobby, you're just growing sales
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a salesforce.
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Yeah, we've got a guide that comes in. He's always
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shopping things at our show, right, And I saw him
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and everybody, don't get me wrong, and I'm not I'm
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not trying to be a hypocrite or anything like that.
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I do set up at our local show. I have
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a few odds and in things. Trust me, it's like nothing.
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I have nothing over nothing over three figures in my case,
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I sell also a couple hundred dollars worth of stuff
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and I'll be happy, and every bit of that money
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goes towards my national at the end of the year.
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But anyway, this guy comes to the shows and he's shopping.
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He came up at the last show and he had
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some sixty two tops Base and he had some sixty
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three Fleer and so he's he goes, you want to
480
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:41.640
see this? And I looked at me and I said,
481
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:43.960
are there any green tent variations in.
482
00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:45.400
These sixty two tops.
483
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:46.359
And he's like, what's that?
484
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.799
And I said, what about what about the Joe Adcock
485
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.400
and what about the checklist and the sixty three Fleair?
486
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:52.279
What's that?
487
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.759
I looked at him, didn't see anything like that. But
488
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.960
all he was trying to do was sell. He had
489
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.599
no education, no, not. All he knew is he had
490
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.000
a box of cards that he wanted to unload and
491
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:05.200
sell for more.
492
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:05.839
Than what he paid.
493
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.000
I'm sorry, buddy, I've got a problem with that.
494
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.480
Have some knowledge, at least, at least know.
495
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.480
What you're if you're gonna deal, know what you're dealing with.
496
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.480
I mean, I have extensive knowledge on vintage cards. I
497
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.759
grew up reading the Sports Collector Bible from from cover
498
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.920
to cover with kid. I guarantee you that I know
499
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.359
a lot about about vintage baseball cards because I collected
500
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.079
baseball cards till nineteen ninety one, un till I finally
501
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.440
got out of it and couldn't couldn't take it any Yeah.
502
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.799
That's the thing, all right, is kind of know what
503
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.079
you're you got, and not even just for you know,
504
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:46.200
for selling, right, but just for for your knowledge base right.
505
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.799
He might have had what if you weren't so highness, right,
506
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.839
and he had something like that and he didn't even
507
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.119
know there was a premium on it, and you just
508
00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:57.559
made him an offer and took advantage of a situation
509
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.920
which you could have done, you know, if he had that,
510
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.400
if he had that in the in the inventory that
511
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.200
he had, So like, yeah, I agree with you, and51200:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.799
I see that too, and it is what it is.51300:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.519
And I've you know, this is not a made up store.51400:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.240
Someone's gonna probably say you're you're making up a store.51500:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.599
I've had people cut on my table selling stuff, and51600:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.759
I always try to buy, or at least look and51700:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.839
see if there's anything I'm interested in. And I pulled51800:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.160
a couple of cards out in this one particular instance,51900:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.920
I don't remember the specifics, and I asked the person52000:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.519
what they wanted, and honestly, they set a number that52100:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.400
was was low. And because one of the cards was52200:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.599
like a variation and they weren't aware of it, and52300:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.240
I'm like, you know, this one's a varia. I could52400:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.000
have just took my money out of my pocket, ripped,52500:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.200
you know, paid them and then but I wasn't comfortable.52600:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.160
That's not how I sleep and I'm like, listen, I52700:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.039
think you don't realize this one an sp variation. It's52800:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.400
worth a little bit. I'm so interested, but by by52900:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.720
all means you're offers more than fair. But I'll you know,53000:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.000
I forgot what they said. They might have asked for53100:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.519
like forty bucks, and I'm like, I'm gonna give you53200:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.279
like seventy five if that's still good. But here's why,53300:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.519
because this was a variation. Did you know that they53400:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.599
were Honestly, no, I didn't. I thanks for telling me53500:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.160
you didn't. You could have just, you know, paid me53600:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.240
what I said, and I could have. I could have53700:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.119
and not even done anything wrong. It wouldn't have made53800:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.000
me a bad guy. But I just didn't want to53900:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.599
be that guy at the end of the day when54000:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.279
my head hits the pillow. So I wanted them to54100:27:35.319 --> 00:27:38.240
know what they had for sure. And I still paid54200:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.000
a fair price that they weren't even happier with because54300:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.839
they were going to take forty thirty forty dollars less,54400:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.559
it was still a price where I can as a54500:27:46.599 --> 00:27:50.000
reseller for those particular items, I have enough room to54600:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.599
move and do it on that side of the table.54700:27:53.799 --> 00:27:55.519
So it was a win. Win, but it could have54800:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.279
been a bigger win for me. I just I don't54900:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.279
I don't really like operating on that, you know, on55000:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.440
those terms. But you know, and that's the thing with55100:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.720
the newer stuff, guys, I don't even know everything, and55200:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.119
I'm doing shows once or twice a month, you know,55300:28:12.279 --> 00:28:17.039
with with variation short prints and super short prints and55400:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.359
all that stuff. So it's hard to keep up with55500:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.480
all the new releases. And abow the piggyback off your point, right.55600:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.119
I hate to say this because it's one of the55700:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.519
most fun things you can do in the hobby is55800:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.039
open packs of cards, whether that's just packs, a box,55900:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.359
a case. But the prices of wax, as you illustrated,56000:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.759
are just insane now, and it generally it's generally gonna56100:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.039
be a losing proposition. You better enjoy opening the packs56200:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.599
because when all the smoke settles in the dust clears,56300:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.359
you probably spent more than what you pulled out of56400:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.400
the packs. So you better enjoy the ride while you're56500:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.559
on it, because when the ride stops, it's probably over56600:28:59.000 --> 00:29:04.440
and you're gonna it's generally losing U propositions, So you know,56700:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.720
but they can do that because breaking has has saved56800:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.200
the Waxton. I remember time. You guys probably do too.56900:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.920
When Waxton sellouts, it would collect dust. They would be57000:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.200
at a wholesale plate on a palette, and I go57100:29:21.279 --> 00:29:24.400
in there during my store days and the wholesaler is like, newman,57200:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.279
I got this stuff's collecting dust. I'll give you a57300:29:27.279 --> 00:29:29.480
hell of a price on it, just you know, five57400:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.880
bucks a box. Get it out of here. And and57500:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.799
those days are gone because I don't care what they57600:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.279
make pickleball cards, they make bowling cards. You put it57700:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.279
into a breaker's hands and they set up a break.57800:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.240
People are gonna buy in just then because it's gonna57900:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.279
there's gonna be a one to one. There's gonna be58000:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.119
a gold auto, there's gonna be a super fractor. There's58100:29:49.160 --> 00:29:53.000
gonna be this shiny bling bling and people it's like58200:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.319
you say, it's it's gambling. People want to hit, you know,58300:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.039
the same reason we go to People go to casinos58400:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.559
and all the l and whistles and the chance that58500:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.039
the the lights and buzzers go off when I pulled58600:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.880
it down the hand down on the slot machine, and58700:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.680
everyone is gonna see me, and I'm a big winner,58800:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.799
a right look at me I gotta get this big58900:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.480
check and be on the casino website. Picture me right,59000:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.519
we have the card. We have the card version of59100:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.960
that with opening wax and buying into break and not59200:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.960
everyone gets that big check in their face on the59300:30:28.039 --> 00:30:32.839
top's website, you know, or the social media uh and59400:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.680
and chances are more often than not you're gonna take59500:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.559
it on the chin for what you've bought into and59600:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.440
what you get out of it. And I get it.59700:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.400
Gambling is legal in most places, and this is just59800:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.319
another version of it. But know that going in. If59900:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.839
you know that going in and you spend what you're60000:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.640
capable of spending without like more for you know, for60100:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.599
closing on your house, then I guess have fun. But60200:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.599
sometimes that does that isn't always the case.60300:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.000
Well, you were talking about that one thing that we60400:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.079
got this year that turn for and we have the answer. Kabooms.60500:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.720
They are cover Room laughing.60600:31:12.599 --> 00:31:16.119
Just because no, it's cool and I like the determined.60700:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.279
I'm just laughing because determined. It's because NASCAR didn't like that.60800:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.920
You know, the term kaboom when it goes to cars60900:31:22.960 --> 00:31:23.440
and stuff.61000:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.559
So we got cover Room and you know, it's a61100:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.319
ten box case and I think you get a upper case.61200:31:30.359 --> 00:31:31.119
I can't remember how.61300:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.119
Many they different room card.61400:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.839
But are they like are they like the boy? Are61500:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.640
they like the on the sticking ball side? As you say?61600:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.839
Are they patterned after after that?61700:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.079
Yeah, it's the image of the of the car, not61800:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.039
the driver of the car. Like I it's ten box,61900:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.880
you're gonna get a doud boxes.62000:31:50.160 --> 00:31:55.400
So yeah, nut boxes. There's no such thing as a so.62100:31:55.319 --> 00:31:56.839
It's one of the things that we get. It's a62200:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.240
four card boxes less thon you get for national two62300:32:00.319 --> 00:32:01.759
autold men and a base.62400:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.000
Yeah, right, guys, that's a good segue. Let's let's let's62500:32:05.039 --> 00:32:10.400
talk about racing. Nascard Radio is your YouTube channel where62600:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.519
you do your podcast. How long has it been You're62700:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.359
You're right there, I think with this podcast in terms62800:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.400
of you're pretty close. If not long, I got I'm62900:32:19.480 --> 00:32:25.000
more tracks. Yes, pretty close. I'm November of twenty eighteen63000:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.480
with this show. So I got a four month head start.63100:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.799
They started the race and I ran out four months ahead.63200:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.440
But use more racing terms. But yeah, you know, and63300:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.400
and listen, we all all three of us know in63400:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.680
podcast terms that that's a long time man. Six seven63500:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.200
years is a long time. To look. You look at63600:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.839
the side of the road and see podcasts that started63700:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.480
and are now ended. Right, it's and and got you know,63800:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.160
it's not easy to do them. It takes a lot63900:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.920
of work. It can be grind and so I don't64000:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.319
I want to give credit where credits do where credits64100:33:01.400 --> 00:33:05.039
do right, But it's hard to maintain and be consistent too.64200:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.160
So hats off to you guys for you know, six64300:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.480
years now almost or yeah, six years and as you're64400:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.880
approaching and almost seven and uh you know, and uh64500:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.400
when you know, anytime someone asked me anything racing related,64600:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.640
I always direct them to you guys and your show.64700:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.519
You guys are to me are the faces of and64800:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.759
again not the paint in the one corner, because you64900:33:34.880 --> 00:33:38.359
know other stuff, but you really know that stuff more.65000:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.119
I don't know, well, I know very little. I know65100:33:41.160 --> 00:33:45.359
a little bit, but I think you guys know more65200:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.400
sticking balls for us and I know racing going back65300:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.559
the other way. So I always send them your way,65400:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.079
and so kudos. I'm approaching seven years, you know, just65500:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.119
kind of you know, we talk a little bit about65600:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.680
the sticking balls date of the hobby. You know, where65700:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.559
are we with the racing side. I want to just65800:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.039
see NASCAR. You got other F one and other forms65900:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.599
of racing. Where what is the state of the racing66000:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.320
hobby as we speak.66100:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.159
I think the racing hobby, as far as the hobby66200:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.280
part of racing is, it's doing pretty well. I mean66300:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.960
this year we were actually able to get all of66400:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.039
our card issues in within the calendar year, which we're66500:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.119
finally getting caught up from the pandemic. So I will66600:34:31.159 --> 00:34:34.440
give a golf clap to Panini on getting that done,66700:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.039
because that has been something I have been preaching about66800:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.440
on the show like you would not believe.66900:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.119
So I'm very happy to see that. We've got a67000:34:42.159 --> 00:34:43.000
lot of cool releases.67100:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.079
Of course, we have our own Prism National Treasures, we67200:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.880
have our donners Base. This year we got a new67300:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.079
release called Turn four like Val was talking about, and67400:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.239
then we've got Select. So we only have five things67500:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.079
every year. It's like a five dollars foot long. It's67600:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.480
not like all the sticking balls sports where there's something67700:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.400
new every week. Oh my god, there's I've talked about67800:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.559
it a million times. There is no way I think67900:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.000
I could keep up with all that.68000:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.239
It's just so much, guys, I do I set up68100:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.760
at one or two shows a month. Now I'm more68200:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.239
of a vintage guy, so I don't open a ton68300:35:15.280 --> 00:35:18.840
of the new stuff anymore. I used to, uh maybe68400:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.639
some years back. But it's hard to keep up. I'm68500:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.199
being handed stuff at my table to look at, and68600:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.920
I'm not gonna lie. I don't know. I know, probably68700:35:29.920 --> 00:35:32.559
a good percentage, but once in my hand. But every68800:35:32.559 --> 00:35:34.440
once in a while, I'll have to ask somebody like68900:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.119
I gotta I gotta ask you what is this? Where69000:35:37.159 --> 00:35:38.559
did it come from? Give me the back?69100:35:39.000 --> 00:35:39.159
Uh?69200:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.280
Here? And uh, you know, I never would beat I69300:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.440
never would have to say that, But now there's just69400:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.480
so much stuff you can't keep up with it. Oh69500:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.599
and I'm not I would know. Years ago, i'd be69600:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.760
embarrassed to ask somebody, hey, what's this?69700:35:52.880 --> 00:35:53.519
Because you know it?69800:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.480
He said. But there's just so much coming out at69900:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.840
such a faster clip val the logan that there's no way.70000:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.800
I don't care how on top of you are, You're70100:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.239
just not going to know everything. And so every once70200:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.239
in a while I have to ask somebody, Hey, what70300:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.039
is this, what's the what's the story? You know? Could70400:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.639
I google it? Sure? But I'd rather ask them and uh,70500:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.440
you know, I could also cross reference and check to70600:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.519
see if they're telling me, but I think most nine70700:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.119
times out of ten people will tell you what it is,70800:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.679
what the odds and know what about it that sort70900:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.440
of thing. So, but yeah, it's hard to keep up. So,71000:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.039
you know, having the five lines, now, do you guys,71100:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.880
do you try to open some at least some of everything.71200:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.880
Or not as Yeah, we do, don't we downd Yeah71300:36:36.880 --> 00:36:37.480
we do.71400:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.320
It's nice with the fire release or NASCAR Indy Car71500:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.320
has two releases from Parkside and then F one has71600:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.360
releases with five and then all of three of those71700:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.280
have on demand as well. I think the good good71800:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.960
mix there. It's not again we kind of emocialize the71900:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.320
nast cuff like that. But so, you know, open and72000:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.599
wax not too crazy with you know, coming out everyone.72100:36:59.639 --> 00:37:01.840
And I know they've kind of logan and mentioned about72200:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.599
trying to push and get all five in Panini's the72300:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.280
primary or NASCAR for NASCAR moving stuff around, trying to72400:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.880
get all stuff. But luckily it came it came down72500:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.400
to the wire there twenty twenty five before we got72600:37:12.480 --> 00:37:13.199
at our high end.72700:37:13.360 --> 00:37:14.360
Yeah, and and.72800:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.360
Not only that this year we're we're blessed with a72900:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.840
great rookie class driver that's on top of that class.73000:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.599
His name is Connor Zillage and he was in the73100:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.800
Xfinity Series this year. He's moving up to the Cup73200:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.920
Series next year. But his cards are going for what73300:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.639
we consider astronomical prices, you know, like what bounced at73400:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.960
forty three hundred dollars for his one of one National73500:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.840
Treasurer's autograph card. But uh, you know, it's not like73600:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.360
it's not like the five to six seven figure stuff73700:37:44.400 --> 00:37:45.840
that we're seeing in the other sports.73800:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.320
And I'm thankful for.73900:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.920
It, yeah, for sure, for sure because it makes it74000:37:50.920 --> 00:37:55.119
a little bit more affordable, right to enjoy that aspect74100:37:55.400 --> 00:37:58.519
of the hobby, no doubt. And uh you know again,74200:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.239
you guys are were in the same age bracket, are74300:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.039
pretty close, right. We grew up in an error even74400:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.159
in sports card right where whoever the player was, they74500:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.239
pretty much had one one rookie card at most three,74600:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.840
right if you had Tops, Fleer and Donors. But before74700:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.679
the even the other two came along, you had a74800:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.280
Tops rookie card. Now that was it. It was easier.74900:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.639
You didn't have to ask, like what's the best card?75000:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.800
To get of this particular athlete. Right now, they can75100:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.519
have seven hundred different Rookie cards, like, choose your weapon75200:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.039
and try to do it in the next week or two.75300:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.880
After you do, do all the analysis and break down75400:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.159
all the data and all that, right, I appreciate the75500:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.679
times that I grew up in when you didn't have75600:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.280
to worry about what card, right, it was kind of75700:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.719
the card get as many of those, you know, growing75800:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.599
up in New York City and chasing madly rookie. You75900:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.440
had three of them, right, you had the Tops, the Donors,76000:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.039
and the Fleer. You might have a favorite one. Mine76100:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.159
was the Donors, but I was happy with any of76200:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.760
the all, any of the three when I opened that76300:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.639
particular brand's packs and hit a Manly Rookie. Now, if76400:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.719
Manly played today, you'd have seven hundred different rookie cards76500:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.440
and who knows which one you'd like, But it's just76600:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.440
a blur, right, it'd just be like and some of that,76700:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.000
I think is why it's become sort of a shell76800:39:21.079 --> 00:39:25.519
game with money, because there's no attachment, there's no loyalty76900:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.320
to a brand. You know, when when we grew up, guys,77000:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.480
we had three brands, right, and and and Tops. They77100:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.559
didn't really make different lines, right, it was Tops flagship,77200:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.760
it was Donorous flagship, it was Flear for there was77300:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.920
no Flear at that point, no other lines off the77400:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.079
brands like we now. And I think, well, that's nice,77500:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.320
because you know, there's pluses and minus to that. You77600:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.920
get more designs and more more choices. There's there's minuses too,77700:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.039
because it just becomes a blur, and it just becomes77800:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.000
like you guys were saying earlier, right, what's this word?77900:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.760
It's not you pull something out of a pack and78000:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.920
the kid's not glad he got it. But like the78100:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.519
first question is what's this we'll go for? You know? Now?78200:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.000
Oh it's fifty bucks, it's one hundred bucks. Oh that's awesome,78300:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.199
Not like, hey, he's my favorite player. I just saw78400:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.360
him play the other night. Would you see that home78500:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.960
run or touchdown? You know that he scored? Like you know? Now,78600:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.039
it's just, hey, what's the intrinsic value built in to78700:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.079
this piece of cardboard or chrome? And so you know,78800:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.679
maybe maybe I'm the old man on the porch. Not78900:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.199
the first time I'd be accused of that, but I'm79000:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.880
sort of glad I grew up with those days of79100:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.199
the hobby because I appreciate I appreciate those days, and79200:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.239
I still appreciate the hobby we have now. I may not,79300:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.599
you know, agree with everything, I still appreciate that the79400:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.039
hobby's still here. It's the greatest hobby in the world.79500:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.599
And you know, you just sometimes we have to adapt,79600:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.079
and hey, if we don't want to partake in that,79700:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.039
you know, I don't don't open whax like I used to.79800:41:02.079 --> 00:41:05.760
That's how I've evolved and adapted and change, right. Uh79900:41:06.239 --> 00:41:11.719
you know, for for you, Logan, you stop collecting and uh,80000:41:12.199 --> 00:41:13.880
you know, the stick and ball sports like you said80100:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.639
ninety one and then went to the racing side. Nothing80200:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.679
wrong with that, right, Just what you where your passion80300:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.440
led you and and and there's no wrong answer really,80400:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.840
but you know, it's kind of to each their own.80500:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.400
But I guess, going back to an earlier point, I80600:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.880
guess I appreciate people who also keep cards, who put80700:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.039
them on their desk, who have them behind them, who80800:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.159
if someone comes over, can show a card and say80900:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.800
why it's their favorite or why they love it, or81000:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.639
why that athlete means so much to that. But I81100:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.360
just fear like some of that those days are you81200:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.559
know it's we're dying out as they Yeah, they are.81300:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.440
Thank you de Val and Logan again. This was part two.81400:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.679
Part one was last week. Check that out if you81500:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.679
missed it, but good friends of mine. Glad to have81600:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.679
them on and looking forward to seeing them here soon81700:42:11.760 --> 00:42:16.199
as the national approaches. Go out there and vote and81800:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.639
the Racing Card Hall of Fame voting to get your81900:42:20.679 --> 00:42:25.360
favorite racing cards in their rightful place an the Racing82000:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.920
Card Hall of Fame. Look in the show notes for82100:42:28.039 --> 00:42:32.199
the link to get your votes in. Thanks everybody. We'll82200:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.000
have some closing thoughts and wrap up this week's show.82300:42:37.400 --> 00:42:38.119
Time for all.82400:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.239
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If you'd like to be the Hobby is the People82900:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.880
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