Shill Bidding...I Weigh In Hobby Quick Hits E216

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Robby Quick Hits delivering that breaking hobby news.

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You want to know those hot Josh's hardship shaff You've

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got your.

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Com her host John new Name, Welcome to another episode

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of Hobby Quick Hits, and you know full disclosure.

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I debated doing this topic on today's show. A couple

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of reasons why it's really the hot topic in the

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hobby and sort of everyone and their mother's chimed in

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on it, done content on it, or giving their opinion

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on it as well. I have, you know too in

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personal conversation, but I don't think I think I've really

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posted anything publicly, so one of the reasons I'm doing

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the show. The other is, while the topic is not

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a new phenomenon, if you will, it's became a hot

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topic because you know, something that happened on someone I

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consider a good friend show, and that's doctor James Beckett

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who had Patrick Ryan on who you know shilling, which

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is you know, bidding either on your own auction or

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having someone you know been on your own auction to

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drive the price up. That became a topic of discussion

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and both of those gentlemen you know, sort of condoned

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or not you know in Patrick Ryan's case, he condoned it,

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and I was a little surprised by Doctor Jim's take

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where he really didn't and says, you know, kind of

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justifies it in a way like with defensive I've heard,

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you know, and not the first time I've heard that term,

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but like defensive shill bidding, and if you haven't figured

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out already, I'm I'm against shill bidding hill bidding. Now,

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I'm not going to tell you it's it's gonna go

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away or we can we can completely wipe it out.

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I'm not that naive, right, But just because something is

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going to exist no matter whether we like it or not,

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doesn't mean we have to like it. And I don't

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do it. I don't condone it, and I don't partake

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in it. And I'm going to tackle that on this episode,

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including some personal stories where I've been asked to do

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as such and someone didn't like my answer, so I'll

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save that for the main part of the show. So

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that's what we're going to tackle on this episode and

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deep dive it a little bit more than I did

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here in the intro. We're going to go over the

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new release schedule, some hobby news, and then we'll get

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to show biddy.

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Oh hey, guys, it's all for sports card shop. Let's

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go over the week releases. On the nineteenth, we have

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Absolute Football, Hobby Blaster, Panine, don Ress Football, Hobby Factory Set, Panini,

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Mosaic Football Choice, Panina, National Treasures, Baseball, Supercharge, super Break,

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Leaf Football Nash Nation, Hobby, Leaf Football Net Nation, Jumbo

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Yugi Oh Legendary five D Deck, and then going to

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twenty six, we have Prison Racing, Mosaic, No Huddle, National Treasures,

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Collegiate Football, Panini Rookies and Stars Football, and then last

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but not least, Leaf Metal Woman of Sport. Thanks guys, having.

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To day, Let's go round the hobby verse and catch

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up on this week's hobby news.

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And find out. All right, jam Right came out with

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a new report and they have listed the most all

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time graded cards. Any guesses to what the number one

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graded card is of all time? All right? There are

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you guessing? If you said the Ricky Henderson nineteen eighty

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Tops Rookie Card, you would be correct. Sixty six thousand

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of them at least that can be tracked have been graded.

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So you said, Ricky Henderson nineteen eighty Tops, pat yourself

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on the back. You are correct, all right, Tops Chrome

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update coming out here in December will have two hundred

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more major League debut patch cards in the product, with

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James W. James Wood leading the names on that list,

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but one hundred and ninety nine along with James Wood.

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And you know, I know, I bang on Tops anytime

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I can, or when I feel like they're you know,

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not doing something right or good. And I should say

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fanatics probably more than Tops, but the major league debut patches,

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and now they're doing them in the other sports as well.

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Just one of the probably greatest hobby ideas at least

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in a long time and potentially ever. So two hundred

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more will be hitting or at least have a chance

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to hit the marketplace. We know some things don't see

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the light of day, at least right away. So all right.

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The World Series, right, not a fan of either team

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of speaking of myself personally, but a great World Series.

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Game seven, two extra inning games. That Game seven was

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could have went either way by a hairline two home

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runs if you watched it, two important Dodger home runs, right,

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the big one to keep the Dodgers alive, Miguel Rojas

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and Will Smith to win it later on. Those are

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in a SCP auctions, here's the ironic thing, and those

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are ongoing right now. So if you want to own

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one of those or both, head over to se P auctions.

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But they were caught by a father and son attending

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the game, one by the father, one by the son,

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and that family is going to be doing very well

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financially when these auctions come to a close, So congrats

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to them. They're going to have some of this all right.

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Time for some court case. Justin Cornett, a investor in Collectible,

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which is now defunct, actually won a judgment against Collectible

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and the CEO Newman uh not or the own proprietor Newman,

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no relation it's spelled. He spells an E U M

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A N and I'm any w But he won a

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judgment because he wants to know. You know, we all

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if you, if you had any fun in that and

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invested in any diffractionals, you did get your money that

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you would due. But Justin Cornett wants to know where

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the items right, where are all the items that you know,

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investors put their money into. No one seems to know

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or want to talk. You know, they were at the

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PWCC vault. Then they went to a New York City

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kind of showroom. But now no one, no one knows

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where they are. They in Newman's house, no one knows.

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So Justin Cornett took the company or the former company,

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and Newman the court, and actually the judge decided in

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his favor. So now h Newman hasked to disclose where

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the items actually are and if they were sold, who

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they were sold to, and for how much. If he refuses,

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the court will appoint somebody to go in there and

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get that information by any means possible. So, you know,

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no shortage of court cases, hobby. Speaking of that, another one,

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there's another one, right, wild Card suing Panini in court

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for anti trust violations, and they're alleging that Panini went

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to and kind of strong arm some of the big

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wholesale distributors and really tried to just say, hey, if

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you're like doing business with us, don't do any business

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with wild Card, don't carry their products, don't distribute those products.

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So that will go to court as well. Let's talk

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about some auction. An auction item I talked about during

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the new segment maybe a couple episodes back. Well, just

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a really cool item in nineteen fifty one Bowman uncut sheet,

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thirty six cards in all the high numbers and on

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the edge of the Mickey Mantle Rookie, which had a

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light crease in it, but other than that was actually

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in pretty good shape. And so it's closed and it

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brought two hundred and fifty two thousand dollars in it

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from all from all reports, it's the only one that's

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in existence. I thought that item would bring, frankly, a

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little bit more. So you never know, we're seeing sort

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of a I want to say, a market correction, but

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we're seeing some of these bigger ticket items, if you will,

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maybe not bringing what they're estimated to bring. I thought

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this particular item would bring more money, but you know,

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not that that you should scoff at, you know, a

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quarter million dollars. I thought I had a chance to

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bring more. And one more auction item that's come in

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the auction that's going to bring a lot of money.

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It's going to Lelands. It's actually December sixth. It's the

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Michael Jordan's home preseason debut ticket close to Chicago, not

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in the arena, it was a high school gym. Not

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only the ticket, but the winning better will get the

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program to the game as well, So the winning better

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gets the ticket in the program. The ticket is graded

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ps A three and again a local Chicago high school

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hosted the game. And from what we can tell, there's

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only one surviving ticket to this Chicago area debut for

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Michael Jordan. We all know Michael Jordan items will bring

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a lot of money, so be interesting to see what

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this ticket brings once the auction closes. So that's going

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to wrap up the news segment and let's continue with

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the show. And now, all right, let's talk about show bidding.

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Let's start by defining it, right, What is it? And

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this is my definition, but I think most will agree

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it's it's accurate, right. Show bidding is the act of

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bidding on your own item to drive the price up

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that will cost someone else more money to acquire. Or

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let's go further, let's expound upon that. It's not just you, right,

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but I can call my friend up or talk to

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my friend and give him the link and say hey,

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this price isn't where I need it to be. At

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bid on it drive the price up so someone else

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comes over the top of you and places a higher bid,

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hopefully to get me more money. And I get it.

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It's America's free enterprise. You want to make Listen, I'm

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a dealer. I want to make the most on my

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cards as I can while giving people what I hopefully

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are consider a fair price. Right, but this is artificially done.

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Right when we think about an in person deal, right,

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maybe I have a card mark for five hundred dollars.

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Let's just use round numbers, and someone will come up

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to the table and say, hey, what's the best you

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can do, or say hey, I can give you four hundred, right,

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and then it becomes a negotiation. Now I can't do

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four hundred, how about we you know? How about four eighty?

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Now I you know I can't do that. How about

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four you know, four forty? And then maybe it comes

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down to where somewhere I say like, hey, let's split

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the split the difference four P fifty, meet in the

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middlem and most of the time that does get it done.

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Those type of negotiations, right, but it's two people it's

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it's on the surface where everyone you know, the people involved,

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me and that perspective buyer, everything's out in the open, uh,

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and very transparent, right, and auctions will never be one

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hundred percent transparent, But there's no funny business going on

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if you will. And I again, I get, I understand,

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you know, wanting to get the most bang for your

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buck or the most banged for your card in this case,

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or cards, but you got to me, you got to

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do it the right way as someone who's put cards

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in auction houses, as someone's put cards on eBay and

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others selling platforms. You know, you know, I just I

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don't ask anyone other than someone who really wants to

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buy the card to bid on it. I don't bid

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on my own cards to drive the price up. Uh.

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And it's just not it's not in my mo you know.

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And does that make me better than someone else, I

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don't know. It's not my place to put that designation

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on myself. And let's let's uh, let's talk about why

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this speacame again. This is not a new thing. Schill

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bidding's been around for eons, right since probably auctions even

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started quite frankly or close to it. Let's talk about

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what what brought us back out into the limelight in

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the forefront again. On Doctor James Beckett Sports Cards Insights

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a great podcast and Doctor Jim I consider a friend

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of mine and I believe he feels the same about me.

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But you know, when you're friends with someone, right, doesn't

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mean you have to agree with them across the board,

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just like a marriage. Right. I love my wife, but

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we don't agree on everything. Uh, And that's okay, that's okay.

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We still love each other. And I still think Doctor

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Beckett is a hobby icon on a recent two episodes,

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Part one and two with a I guess I'll call

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him an investor, a deal collector. Patrick Ryan from Houston, Texas,

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and Doctor Jim knows them even before the appearance on

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the show. You know, he had Patrick Ryan on, and

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you know, Patrick Ryan basically got caught or kind of

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incriminated himself with I guess an Instagram post. I don't

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go on social media a ton, but you know, I

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find out, like a lot of people do, like when

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stuff breaks, right, I guess he posted a picture of

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a Jordan card that he had been on and the

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picture gave away that it was his own card in

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an auction, and you know, I'll give him this much credit.

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He didn't deny it, sort of explain why, in his words,

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it happened, that he didn't realize it, that it was

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an honest mistake. Doctor Jim, you know, had him on

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the show. Now, I don't know if Doctor Jim had

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him on the show because of that incident or it

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was planned. I'm assuming it was because of an incident,

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because it became a heavy point of discussion on that show.

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Patrick Ryan divulged that it was an honest mistake and

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he didn't know. You know, I think it was a

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twenty thousand dollars bid and he didn't know it was

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his own item that he was bidding on. Now, only

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Patrick Ryan knows for sure whether he's telling the truth

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or lying. I'm going to give my opinion. I don't

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believe them. Quite frankly, I don't believe. You know, I

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have cards and auctions, I know, maybe not as many

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as him, maybe not as expensive as him, but irregardless,

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you know, regardless of that fact, I've never been on

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my item by mistake. And if I'm bidding on items,

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I know they're not mine, right, And so I don't

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care how many auctions you have. I don't care how

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many listenings you have. Quite frankly, I don't buy that.

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And you know, again, only he knows for sure. But

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let's start off there that I'm not I'm not drinking

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the kool aid on like, hey, I didn't realize what

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I was doing. My bad, I'm sorry. Uh. And if

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I'm wrong, then i'm wrong. But again I'm not, I'm

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not buying what he's selling there. And further on, I'm

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gonna paraphrase. You know, go check out Doctor Jim Show,

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not just those two episodes, but the whole catalog. They're

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they're great. You can learn a lot of stuff. Even

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an old dog like me, uh, learns a lot from

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listening to Doctor Jim and or his guests. And you know,

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to paraphrase the two episodes, right, it became where they

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started talking about hill bidding and sort of condoning it.

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And then it happens, you know, a term was used

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which I've heard before, even before Doctor Jim Show, you know,

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defensive shill bidding to hopefully get your price rather than

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set like a reserve price, which people kind of frown

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upon or don't like or ignore those type auctions. It's

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a way to circumvent that sort of thing, and both

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gentlemen sort of condoned it. Not sort of. I think

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it was condoned, and that's where I get off at

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a different exit. It's not not my thing, and I

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think it's illegal. I'll go strong. I'll go strong with this.

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I think it's an illegal tactic. I think it's sort

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of like insider trading on Wall Street, where you let

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someone else know some info that's not public and you

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gain a monetary advantage to it, whether it's buying something

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cheap that's about to go up or selling something that's

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about to crash down, and you sort of get that

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inside ahead of, ahead of schedule info. Right. I put

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it in that same sort of category. And some may

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not agree, and that's fine, that's you know, that's your opinion,

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but that's that's mine. I think it's wrong. I think

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it costs people money out of their wallets. And I

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don't care whether you're a billionaire, a millionaire or a

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middle class guy or person. Right, if it's costing you

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more money, uh, it's uh, you know it's not right.

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It's you know, we have laws against price fixing in

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government with you know, obviously necessities and sometimes with pharmaceuticals

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and food, food sources and that sort of thing when

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there's a sort of something not right to to keep

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a price too high. I think this again, is this

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fits kind of into that vein that category. And you

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know you list to me, you list a card for auction, uh,

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and uh, that's it right. Let the buyers set the price,

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not you, and I'll go far. You know, you definitely

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should not be bending on your own stuff. Now, if

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your buddy want really really wants your card, you know,

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and they're bidding on it for them to buy it, like,

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I can't argue that point. But if they're bidding because

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in a conversation you say, hey man, this card's not

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where I need it to be at or it's too low,

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do me a favor, here's the link, and you know,

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bid on it, bid it up to this level. I

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think someone will come over the top with you, and

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you know you're just sort of driving it up there.

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And again, in that case, to me, that's artificial, that's

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not it's disingenuous, it's not legitimate, and I can't condone it,

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and I don't partaken it and I'll share a couple

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of personal stories and think what you want. I'm gonna

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be honest about it, and you can think what you

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want to me. Less of me, more of me. That's

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up to you, not my call, right, But I've had

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you know, I've been in the hobby forty years. You

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know I've done shows for thirty seven years. I did

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my first show at fifteen. Now auction I're obviously more

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prevalent now than many years ago. But eBay's been around

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since the mid nineties early nineties. And you know, I've

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been asked on more than one occasion from acquaintances and

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friends that are in the hobby. Hey, John, need a favor.

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I got an auction ending in the next couple of days.

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Can you kind of low right now? Can you throw

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a bid on it? And you know they didn't like

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my answer when I get the few times I was

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asked to partake in that, I said, no, I really

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don't want to do that. What you know, or I'll

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be honest with you. I'll ask what card it is

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or what item it is? Now, if I have an interest,

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I will tell them like I will bid. I will

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bid what I would pay for it. Myself and nothing

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less and nothing more. So I'll i've you know, I've

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probably been asked five, six seven times to do such

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a deed, and I probably only done it on two

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or three occasions. But those two or three occasions were

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because I wanted the item myself, and so I bid

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a legitimate bid to try to win that that card

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or lot where I wanted the item, not to drive

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the price up to cost somebody else more money. Uh.

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And on one of those occasions, if my memory serves

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me correctly, I did win when the item and uh,

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you know, the the person I knew was was a

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little disappointed didn't go for more. Obviously, they honored the

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sale and they get they it was saved because they

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were local, so they didn't have to pay shipping to

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deliver uh it to me, and so that that was

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a perfect They didn't get necessarily what they wanted. But

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on probably the other four or five occasions, if I

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did not have any interest in that particular item, I declined,

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you know, to to partake in. And I said, I really,

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I don't have an interest to an item, and I

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don't want to do that. It's kind of against my

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morals and what I believe in to do to just

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bid on something to cost somebody else some more money.

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So I did not do it. And they're like really

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you know this is them to me, like really, what

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you know? Are you mad at me? I'm like, it

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has nothing to do with you. I just don't want

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to get involved. And that just goes against my fabric

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and what I believe it. And you know, you do

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what you got to do, but I'm not going to

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I'll do that. And again I said in the intro, right,

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I'm a person who's listed cards on auction houses auctions

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I've never want and I'm being honestly, I've never once

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asked someone to bid on an item for me. Now

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I've posted an item, I've posted a link like publicly

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on my social media. Hey check out this item I

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have on the auction block right for anyone who's interested

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or wants to bid. But I've never purposely emailed, called

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in person, private message someone and said hey, do me

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a solid here and bump this up. Any bumping up

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was from legitimate bits. And maybe I'm naive, you know,

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maybe I'm a fuddy doddy whatever term you want to

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put it on, but I believe like the buyer, real

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buyers set the price, not artificial buyers. And I'm gonna

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you know, when my head hits the pillow at night.

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For me, I got to feel like I did the

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right thing that day in subsequent days, and you know,

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is it? You know, having someone bid on your item

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doesn't make you you know Charlie Manson or Adolf Hitler, right,

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But I just it's not me. It's not something I

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partake in. I don't contone condone. I believe it to

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be illegal, illegal tactics, you know, deceitful maneuver. If you will,

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I do. And again you might have a different opinion.

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You might have the same opinion. Maybe you're even stronger

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than me that you know things should be done. You know,

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people should get in real, real trouble uh and do

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jail time. We've seen this with the with other incidents

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in the past where you know people have been sentenced.

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Now that's a bigger there's other tentacles uh to that

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story as well. But you know, I wanted a weigh

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in and why I don't like it, Why I don't

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do it, rather than just say I don't like it, right,

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why does it happen? I think that's a simple and

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easy answer. Right, So someone gets more money, and again

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that doesn't make them a bad person. We all want

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the most money. Right. Our boss gives us a raise,

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we don't say, oh, thank you, but no thank you. Right,

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we get a tip, maybe we you know, we say like, oh,

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you don't have to do that, but we appreciate it. Right,

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you know, anytime we can get more money, right, that's

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that's a that's a plus. Right, That's how we pay

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our bills, that's how we keep moving forward as a dealer.

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When I do a show, right, I want to have

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the best show I can have and do the best

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I can do. And I don't apologize for that and

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need no one else should either. But I just try

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to do it the right way. So why does it happen?

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It's simple, right, people want more money for their cards

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and I get it, but I believe in doing it

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the right ways. So we can talk about the problem. Right,

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we're all talking about the problem where a lot of

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us are talking about the problem. What are the solutions? Right? Well,

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the simple fit fix is hopefully having the moral standard

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not to do it. And if that's bold of me

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to say, then I'll say it, but I just choose

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not to do it because I don't think it's morally

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and ethically right. And I'm sure a lot of people

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maybe take up the same banner and don't partake in it. Right.

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But anytime there's money involved, right, especially in the hobby,

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but it's not just relegated to the hobby stock market,

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any kind of other business or selling entity or other hobby. Right,

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anytime there's money involved, people are going to find ways

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to circumvent, whether it's illegal, towing that line of illegal

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like maybe some people consider show bidding. People are going

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to do it, whether it's stealing, forgery, fake slabs, fake cards, trimming, altering,

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shield bidding. If there's money to be made, someone's going

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to try it. So it's not going to go away

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on its own accord. People aren't going to wake up

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one day who are doing it. Maybe some will, but

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I don't think majority will wake up and say I'm

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not doing this anymore. Really probably shouldn't be doing it.

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So it's not going to go away like that. So

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what are the solutions past that? Right? Past it healing itself? Well,

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the owners falls on these auction houses and selling platform

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and some of them probably do, but not all all

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of them for sure. Because this is an ongoing issue,

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the auction house has to set rules. You cannot bed

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on your own stuff. Uh and if we and and

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I think I gotta go further than that. They need

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to track that stuff, whether it's through IP addresses. I'm

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not an it guy, but there's there's gotta be ways

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you can tell when someone's not placing legitimate bids. You

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notice the trend, Why is the same guy bedding on

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all of this same persons or you know, why is

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the same person bidding on this other person's all their

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auctions constantly? Seems pretty consistent. You know, it's just a

469
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red flag. Right, there's ways to figure this out, right,

470
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:48.720
you know, to eliminate friends or equaintances hopefully from doing it.

471
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.359
But even past the point of protocols, right, it's gotta

472
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.960
be more than that. There's gotta be penalties, right if

473
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:01.240
you are caught crossing this line or breaking this rule

474
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:06.079
or bidding on your own on your own items, you know,

475
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.920
just to drive the price if you if you're caught

476
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.119
or we flag you for doing that, there's a penalty.

477
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.839
What what's that penalty? You can never partake in our auction.

478
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:23.039
Your your IP address is banned. We we posted publicly

479
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.119
that this is something you did. Whatever those those penalties

480
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:33.079
and issues are right or whatever, the repercussions are, right,

481
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.759
There's gotta be repercussions otherwise nothing changes, right.

482
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:37.559
Uh.

483
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.000
Some people don't commit crimes because they don't want to

484
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.160
do the time. Others don't care, and they still do

485
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.119
it anyway and take their chances that they won't get caught.

486
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.680
But the penalties, you know, punishments are deterrens. And so

487
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.400
we need punishments and rules and protocols from these auction houses,

488
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.599
you know, and what what can we do? Uh? You know,

489
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.359
we feel like an auction house is just making it

490
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.480
like the wild wild West, or I say auction house,

491
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:08.119
but let's include selling platforms in there as well that

492
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.240
run auctions, right, not every uh, you know, you're can

493
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.799
have auctions and not be an auction house. But what

494
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.079
can you do if you feel like a selling platform

495
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.720
or auction house does not have rules to uh sort

496
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.759
of uh you know, prevent that or you know, recommend

497
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.200
not doing that. You know, you know, dig your heels

498
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.039
and say I'm not going to do business. I'm not

499
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.039
going to bid UH and do business with that platform.

500
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.799
We can do that, right, I've done that with with

501
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.839
other entities for different reasons. Right, we have the power

502
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.160
with our wallets and bank accounts if we so choose

503
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.480
to wield that wind of power. Many of us don't.

504
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:55.359
I try to and in certain you know, circumstances, in situations,

505
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.519
so we can. We can. We can initiate change right

506
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.440
by our actions. We can initiate change by being someone

507
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.599
who doesn't partake in that activity, even though we know

508
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.000
it's going on if we feel wrong. And that's that's

509
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.799
where I fall. I fall into that category. I don't

510
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.799
partake in it. I don't condone it, I don't think

511
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.640
it's right, and I don't do it. And so that's51200:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.200



that's me again, you know. And I just want to51300:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.359



close with this too. I don't. I'm not trying to51400:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.680



be an apologist or defend it. We're all entitled to51500:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.599



our opinion. I still love doctor Jim. Well. We might51600:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.079



fall on separate, you know, sides of the isle here.51700:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.759



I think he's a great guy, you know, who's a51800:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.480



hobby icon. I just don't I don't agree with him51900:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.960



on this subject and topic. And you know shameless plug.52000:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.680



He's going to be on Hobby Hotline on November twenty second,52100:33:58.920 --> 00:34:03.920



and I know this is going to be addressed. Uh,52200:34:03.960 --> 00:34:07.119



and he'll expand about it. But no matter what he52300:34:07.240 --> 00:34:12.280



says on that episode, you know, you know short of Hey,52400:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.000



I changed my mind or you know, I just I52500:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.559



don't believe in show bidding. I think it's wrong. I52600:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.159



think it should be illegal. I think it should be52700:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.079



frowned upon. But I don't think you know, I think52800:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.280



his body of work is too great to take one52900:34:28.320 --> 00:34:34.800



thing we disagree on and judge someone on one one53000:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.280



line on him, right, so we get off at different exits.53100:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.320



But I still think doctor Tim is great. And if53200:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.960



you think it less of me for that, uh, then53300:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.360



so be it. But uh, I think that's enough on53400:34:47.440 --> 00:34:48.119



show Bidding.53500:34:48.599 --> 00:34:48.719



Uh.53600:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.119



We covered it. I wanted to weigh in. There's my53700:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.199



more than two cents, and I appreciate your time and53800:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.159



thanks for listening, and enjoy the hobby uh and and53900:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.199



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