Aug. 28, 2026

Steve Grad chops it up E403

Steve Grad chops it up E403
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For the first time ever Steve Grad is our guest and we cover sone ground.


Talking Points may include:

*Where it all started.

*Whats in his PC, Favorites and selling.

*Secretary and Clubbie autos-What you need to know.


*Percentage of autos that are fake in the wild.

*Scenario-You see a slabbed auto but you know it's not legit.


*Most Forged?

*Going completely under his own brand.


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What is up, everybody?

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Welcome to episode 403 of Sports Card Nation.

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Happy to be back with you.

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Real quick, I think I just wanted to announce the

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winners of our 400th episode giveaway. I'm only going to

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use first names. Drake won a card package as well

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as Richard. Debbie won a wax box from Upper Deck.

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Travis won a small box, and some slab guards. And

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two Card Ladder Pro yearly memberships went out to Jason

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and Daryl. So those were our 400 episode giveaway winners.

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A lot of entries. We can only, you know, we

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randomized the list and six names came out. And that

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was how it went down. So congrats to those folks.

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But thank you all for listening and entering, and we

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appreciate it. I wish I could just give everyone a prize. Unfortunately,

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that's not how that works. But I do have free

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stickers if anyone, if you ever want a free sticker,

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just reach out to me on social media or email,

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and we could figure out a way to get that

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to you.

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So, all right.

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So let's thank our sponsors, SGC, Iron Sports Cards, Sports

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Collectors Digest, Hobby Hotline, Upper Deck, card ladder and a

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certified trading card association and not necessarily in that order

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that's just how I rattle them off all right first

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time guest this week and next week how that is

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the case I don't know how it's taken this long

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of the show but again that's more on me than

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an indictment on the guest that's an indictment on me

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but as the cliche goes better late than never and

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hopefully have them back on, uh, down the line as well. Uh,

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Steve grad, one of the preeminent autograph, uh, authentication experts, uh,

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that this hobby has ever seen. And, and maybe number one, uh,

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on that list. And we're going to talk about a

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gamut of, of things, you know, uh, the good, the bad,

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and the ugly of autographs and certification and, and all

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that stuff. So, uh, It's not going to all be

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roses and sweet music. It's going to be some, we

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got to talk about the reality of autographs and the

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scandals and the forgeries and the fugazis, right? And we're

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going to talk about the good stuff too. So we're

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going to talk about both sides of the coin, as

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they say. So Steve Grad is our guest. He's branching

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out more on his own. He's always had his own business,

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but sort of flying under his own flag exclusively, which

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I think is very cool and good for him. And

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I got to talk with him some at the National.

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And just a really good dude. Just enjoys what he

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does and is passionate and knowledgeable. And you can't put

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a price on that. So he is our guest this

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week and next. So without further ado, let's get this

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show started. Real excited to have my next guest on

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the Sports Card Nation guest line. Somehow he is a

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hobby stalwart, or somehow we've never had him on this

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podcast yet. And that's probably more me than him. Actually,

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I think it is more me than him. But better

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late than never.

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As we always say. Mr. Steve Grant, welcome to the show.

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Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I love that intro.

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It's intense. It's all downhill.

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I feel like we're going to watch a football game

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or it's a Superbowl.

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Well, I'm a former, former high school football player and

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high school varsity coach. So maybe that has a little something,

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something to do with it. I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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You know, you've been in the hobby a while. You know,

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you grew up in Chicago for you. When did, when

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did the hobby start again? Many people may know this,

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but this being your first time on this.

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Really about 1980. Went to first baseball card show back

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in Chicago for people who live out in that area.

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They used to have a show. It was at the

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Hillside Holiday Inn. It's right off of 290 and 294 area.

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And for people that head out of the city, it's

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off the Eisenhower. But it's the first time that I

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went to a card show. And I was like, whoa.

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Because I collected cards starting... probably when I was about

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seven and I'm, you know, I had star Wars and

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football and some baseball, but then seeing that show in person,

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it really was like, Oh my God, there's tables filled

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with stuff. There's autographs. Bob Feller was sitting in a

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corner charging like $ 2 an autograph. But that was the

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first time. And then I first went to the national

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in 83. So, and I've gone to 31 or 32,

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something like that of the nationals and, you know, God,

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the Chicago shows in March and November and, and I've

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been to shows all across the country for years. I've

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kind of toned it back though, just because it's the

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grind is pretty hardcore. So, and it's real. So I'm,

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I'm just keep to the national now pretty much.

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Yeah.

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It's the super, I call it the Superbowl of the hobby.

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And I guess if you're going to do one, one,

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that's it.

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Right.

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I mean, the one we circle, all of us are

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majority of us circle that week. The nice thing we

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know it's what week it pretty much is every year.

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I mean, even with myself, I'm a, in the teaching industry.

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So I let my supervisor for summer school. No, I

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won't be here probably these three or four days.

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During the week. And I'll be back on Monday.

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Yeah. It's always a great time to get together and

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see people you haven't seen in, you know, a year

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or two years. And it goes, the thing is, you know,

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you start on a Tuesday, you wrap, I mean, I

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do at least, and then I wrap up on a Sunday,

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but it's like, it goes like that. It goes so fast. And,

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You don't think it does, but you're there from like,

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you know, eight, nine in the morning till six o'clock

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at night. And it seems like it's just a flash.

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I'm usually glad when it's over though, to be honest

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with you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's just the show hours. And then the events

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in some cases, a post show, right. That we do

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attend occasionally or friends and whatnot. So, you know, for me,

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and I'm sure probably likewise for you, like some days

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you're not getting back to a hotel to 10, 11,

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or perhaps even, later depending on on the event and

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who's involved so yeah you're you're right it goes quick

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and then at the end like you're you're you're just

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you need like a vacation from the show you know.

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It is that is nice and i think you know

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i think the thing that is really crazy is i

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see the evolution of the hobby how it's changed and

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you know it's always focused centrally around cards cards cards

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cards cards everything else kind of has its place you

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know But cards have powered it. And when I look

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back and reflect on it after all these years that

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I've been involved in this, I wish I would have

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probably just stayed with cards on some level because of the,

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you know, I kind of scratched my head thinking about

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all the great stuff I had and it's all gone.

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But I wish in a way I would have kind

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of stayed with it. But, you know, it is what

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it is. You know, I grew up in that 80s

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era of cards, which wasn't, as you know, wasn't spectacular.

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So in the 90s either. So. You know, there were

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some good issues and some good cards, but, you know,

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we were growing up, you know, with, you know, 78 tops,

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which was overproduced and 80 tops and, you know, all

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that stuff was just so much of it. You know,

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I took the autograph route, I guess, because I, to me,

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at least in a time, and I still do, I

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find it really fascinating to be involved in that aspect

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of the business. For me, at least that's a, you know,

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it's a passion. And, you know, I collected signed cards

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for years. I've had so many and gotten so many

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in my life signed, but I like it. But the

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autographs is where, you know, that's kind of my calling area.

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And so that's you can correct me if I'm wrong, Steve,

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like getting cards signed, maybe at a ballpark or an event.

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That's where it started for you.

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I mean, obviously, we didn't have like certified autos and

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packs as we do now.

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It's a lot to change, you know, and to get

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them signed. You know, I would go stand, you know,

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inside the ballpark and back in Chicago, there was some

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old school collectors. I mean, there's there's guys that were

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still bringing like, you know, 5000 count boxes of cards,

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you know, for the Texas Rangers. So, you know, these

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guys were out there, hardcore collectors and then the hotels.

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I did all that stuff, too. But it was always cards.

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And then I elevated my game to photos at some point, which,

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you know, in hindsight, it's weird. You've seen the explosion

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of signed cards, what happens. And it's it's it's it's

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at points where I always thought it would kind of

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just stop, you know, like, OK, cards are cool. But

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now it keeps going on and on. I mean, I

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just saw the Jackie Robinson. Maybe it's a 48 or

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49 Bowman's over a million dollars. You know, it's going

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to go for a lot of money in auction. And,

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you know, the 52 tops mantles. And when those hit auction,

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they go crazy. I wish I would have gotten one

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signed here.

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Yeah.

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Does that surprise you? Some of the values we're seeing?

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I obviously I'm a Jackie guy. That's out of my budget. But,

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you know, he died young.

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In October of 72.

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And signing wasn't like it was now. It wasn't as

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big of a deal like we see it now. Do

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the values what some of these cards are bringing on

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the auction block catch you off guard? Or is it

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at this point, it's sort of expected?

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I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop. I mean,

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I think, I'm not sure, but maybe you know better

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than I do. When's the last time a Roos signed

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Gowdy hit the market? But I think there was... three

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years ago, maybe, or it was a, you know, but

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they sold it. Maybe that half million range in there.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I, I think bring more. Yeah.

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I think you're right now. Now how we see how

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things are going and I see how the marketplace is going.

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I think those cards would even, I mean, you, you

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might top a million on that. Same with Garrett.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. No, no doubt.

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And, um, Again, another example of an athlete, unfortunately, that

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passed away at a younger age than they should have. And,

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you know, not to make it about dollar signs or quant,

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but when obviously anyone passes away at a younger age,

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there's more likely less autographs out there in circulation in

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comparison to maybe the opposite end. You know, you mentioned

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Bob Feller, and I kind of chuckled. when you mentioned him,

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I'm in, I'm originally from New York city. I'm here

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in Syracuse center now. So I get the Cooperstown quite

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a bit. And I've been in Syracuse a while.

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And it's funny.

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I'd make three, four or five trips a year. Let's

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say the Cooperstown Steve. And like every time I was there,

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like Bob fellow was like always there just signing away.

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Super nice guy, super friendly, love sharing like stories from

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his career and things like that. But I joke with friends, like,

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I crossed the street to another block in Cooperstown, and

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I had just seen him at the table, and he

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was on, like, the next street, too. And obviously, I jest,

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but it just.

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Seemed like he was working it hard.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so, you know, when you look at that, he's

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unfortunately no longer with us either, but No shortage of

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Bob Feller autos on the market.

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I don't want to stop you. You made me think

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of something. You're out in Syracuse. Years ago, when I

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worked at Auction, I sourced one of the best signed

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card collections that I've ever seen was out of Syracuse.

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Syracuse, there you go.

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The guy's name was Jeff Morey.

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I don't know it. I don't know. I don't know

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him by name. I don't know if he's a show guy.

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I set up a show, so maybe I've run into

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him on a show without knowing his name.

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He probably attended shows. He used to write a newsletter

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back before the days of the internet, but it was

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around in 2001, 2002. It was called The Autograph Report, T-A-R,

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and he wrote that. He was based out of Syracuse.

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He had Ernie Davis index cards, stuff like that, every

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month since Because Munson played in the minors there. But

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he had gone to the Hall of Fame every year.

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And starting in, I want to say, 52. And he

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started getting the guys back then. And he'd tell me

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the stories about it. He did really well in auction.

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But this was back in 2001. I can't imagine what

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his stuff would go for now. He had just some

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amazing cards. A lot of nice ballpoint stuff from the

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40s and 50s. It was gorgeous. The cards were beautiful.

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Yeah.

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There we go.

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Syracuse reference and cool, you know, and that shows you right.

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The hobby and the autograph hobby.

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It's a, it's a worldwide thing in a worldwide.

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Oh yeah.

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Let's talk a little bit about you.

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Like, How many, again, you know, how many autographs would

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you say you have in your PC yourself?

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You know, it's all dwindled down. It was a high

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number at one point because I had specialized really in

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Star Wars. And I had the three sets signed from T.O.P.S., 77, 80,

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and 83. So for Star Wars, Empire, Jedi, I had

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all three of them almost all completed. And in May

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of 22, I put them in gold and and got

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together with Ken and auctioned off five, just star Wars lots.

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And the cards did great. And, um, they went to

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a friend of mine. So, uh, a friend bought one

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of the, he bought the big star Wars set and

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I'd put a lot of time and effort in that.

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I worked on it for years, but you know, like

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collecting now, I don't really, I'm not, I'm kind of

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more on the fringe. I'm not really doing anything anymore. Like,

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like John, the thing is I got so crazy intense

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about it and leading up until like COVID and it

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got to just be too much. And, um, I think

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I needed to find a place where I was able

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to have a happy medium because too much of it

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was just too much. And I do like collecting, but

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I think that I would rather just collect the green

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dollar bills and put those away now, you know, and listen,

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collectibles are awesome. And obviously autographs are, I have to

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tell you, it's been my backbone of my life. You know,

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it's been my, my, my whole life has been involved

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with autographs, but at some point I would rather just

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enjoy myself and not worry about getting this guy on

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this card and that guy on that card and getting

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these photos signed and I need him on my poster.

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And that's what it kind of devolved into in terms

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of collecting wise, where I was so into it. You know, I'm,

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I'm worried about getting like the 17th storm trooper on

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my 77 tops cards, you know, like it was just

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too much. So I had to just kind of just

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draw it. And I still have pieces. I like, yeah,

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a lot, you know, I mean, there's stuff that I

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wouldn't ever want to get rid of, but, There's some

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stuff that I stay goodbye to and I don't mind.

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I have no issues with it because I want to

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let someone else enjoy it too. And especially with the

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Star Wars stuff I had so much of, it was

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getting kind of like a sickness. I mean, I was

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upwards of four to 600 autographs of Hamill, Ford, and

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Fisher each at one time in 2019. So that's too much.

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You know, like it got to be way too much.

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Obviously the cards have changed values so much. Excuse me,

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you know, now they call them, which is crazy. You know,

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Mark Hamill signed rookie card. I get a kick out

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of that. But those things have gone crazy. And I

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really enjoyed collecting all that stuff for years. But at

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the end of the day, I'm glad I could do

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other stuff, you know, or if I want to quite truthfully,

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if I want to do something to my house or

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we want to go on a nice vacation, we know

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we can. So those things are more important than collecting it.

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Yeah. And we're probably, I might be a little bit

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older than you. I get that. It makes a lot

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of sense.

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I think a lot of people, probably nodding right there.

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You are listening to the Sports Card Nation podcast.

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It's like asking a parent, you know, who's your favorite

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kid if they have multiple kids, obviously.

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But do you have something in your collection?

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Like, do you have one thing that, like, You know,

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people always ask me, John, if you could only keep

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one card, who is it? Speaking of Jackie Robinson, it

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would be my Jackie Leaf rookie. I don't want to

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just keep that one card, but, you know, to answer

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the question, is there a piece you own that, like, you,

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you know, and I guess it's a tough question, but

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is there one piece that, like, that's your sort of

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showcase or centerpiece for you?

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For whatever reason, maybe the first one or just one that,

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you know.

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I think that the one piece I would want to

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just keep, if I could, I probably can't, it's not

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even that big of a deal, but it was a

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funny story when it happened. It was cool. But my

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favorite player growing up was Carlton Fisk. So I loved him.

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And he was a great player, obviously, for the Red

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Sox and White Sox. But I think in spring training

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of 90, I went down there and the White Sox

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were currently going from like, they had this old rickety

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stadium in downtown. It's called Ed Smith. stadium, but they

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moved to this new stadium in Sarasota and it was

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much nicer, but they had to change at the old

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stadium and then drive to the new stadium. So I'm

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at the old stadium waiting for players. I see Fisk

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and I say, Hey, I got to, and I knew him,

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you know, we'd known each other. I, I don't know

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if it's creepy or stalker ish, but you know, I

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used to go see him in the off season. He

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lived right by where I lived.

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I'm going to stick up for you. That's your guy, right? Like,

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so yeah, I get that.

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Yeah. I'd gotten to know him and you know, I

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saw him, he goes, Hey, Follow me to the other ballpark.

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Let's talk over there. So I followed him, go through

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this neighborhood, a couple of neighborhoods, like four or five miles.

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We get to the new ballpark. He parks. I park

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right next to him and I pull out this bat

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and he goes, man, where'd you get this bat? That

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that that's a game ready. That's out of my locker.

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And I had bought it at a show for like

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50 bucks. You know, it was at a dealer table.

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and um i said i just bought it a show

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and he goes oh he's like i'll tell you what

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i'll give you a gamer for that one right now

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let's swap because he wanted to use it so he

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gave me a he gave me a game used bat

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which he signed to me which i like it's not

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about the value i've owned his jerseys before and i've

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had his rookie bat and you know tons of stuff

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signed by him but just probably that piece would be

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it and maybe something harrison ford maybe the first harrison

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ford autograph i got maybe that would be about it

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but other than that um and my wife's happy to

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hear it all be gone. And so she, it makes

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her happy.

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I hear you. I have one of those too.

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So is there, you know, you talk about meeting athletes and, and,

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you know, obviously you get to know them in certain circumstances.

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Is there an athlete that, that sort of make, you know,

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I I've gotten asked this question cause I've, I've met

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quite a bit myself, uh, even though I'm not you,

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is there an athlete that, um, you're still in all of,

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or you get a little like tongue tied or, or

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not at this point?

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Um, if it was maybe, maybe, yeah, maybe, maybe Harrison Ford,

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but probably Michael Jordan, you know, always. And I had met,

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I probably met Jordan, uh, 30 or 40 times, maybe,

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maybe more than that, maybe 50. And I worked in

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the media. So I used to see him all the time.

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I worked in Chicago media, but probably those guys. And

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it was all, I always got a charge getting both

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those autographs when I got them in person. It was really, even,

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you know, getting Jordan going back to like 87, 88, 89, 90,

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getting him in those years was, it was always a

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great time.

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Yeah.

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Would you, would you agree?

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I mean, it's probably, I'll, I'll, I'll ask to your expertise, Steve,

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Jordan or Mano. What's the most forged athlete in the industry?

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Okay.

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So I, okay. If you ask me, if you asked

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me like, maybe like three years ago, I would say mantle,

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but I have a feeling Jordan's certain. I really do.

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Just based on what I see in the marketplace and

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the insane, insane volume of him. And he's always been forged, okay? So,

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you know, they had guys forging him in Chicago for years. But,

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you know, anytime a player gets to that level, they're

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going to forge him like crazy. And in Jordan's case,

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I always like to say, John, that I think that mantle,

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there's more fake mantles than real mantles, which I still believe.

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But Jordan's getting up there. And now, you know, we're

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looking now I would call most of the forgeries of him,

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by the way, I just call them kind of amateur forgeries.

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They're by people who really aren't skilled, but the stuff

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we've seen now, the fake upper deck stuff they're doing,

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not all of it, but a lot of it is

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done very well. And especially on the cards there, they

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have got him down really good. And he's, it's very

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tough to discern, like, are these actually good or bad?

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You know what I mean? It's like, that close with Jordan.

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It's to the point where I'm blown away about the

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amount of fakes on it.

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Yeah.

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And we've had, as you know, numerous name scandals, including

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a big one even more recently in Indiana as well,

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which led to a person killing themselves rather than facing

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the music of prosecution. I mean, that's how serious this

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stuff is and get it. I read an article, again,

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I'm going to ask you is here. I heard you

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say the mantle, you know, there might be more mantle

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fakes than actual ones. And he did a lot of

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stuff after his career, like shows and fantasy camps and

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different things like that. I read an article where the FBI,

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I don't know the exact agent or, you know, but

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a person from the FBI says they believe that 50%

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of the autographs that are in circulation are are fugazi and.

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Not the genuine real mccoy.

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Uh and hearing you say that with the mantle that's

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what led me to remember reading that um do you

470
00:23:40.339 --> 00:23:43.819
agree with that assessment is the number lower higher is it.

471
00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:46.539
Or is it fairly accurate in your opinion.

472
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.599
I think it's i think it's in that ballpark and

473
00:23:48.619 --> 00:23:50.960
i think maybe tim fitzsimmons said that years ago after

474
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.720
operation bullpen which he was involved in i think he

475
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.619
came out with that number and i think they further

476
00:23:55.789 --> 00:23:59.809
reinforce that through the years that I wouldn't be surprised. Okay. So, okay.

477
00:23:59.869 --> 00:24:02.730
Let's say if we were talking about in the sports realm,

478
00:24:03.029 --> 00:24:06.089
you know, solely, I'd say fraud is running about that high.

479
00:24:06.549 --> 00:24:10.069
If you jump into entertainment, which includes music, I would

480
00:24:10.130 --> 00:24:14.210
say you're getting closer to 65, 70. And, and, you know,

481
00:24:14.259 --> 00:24:16.500
unfortunately a lot of that stuff is in the big

482
00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:20.210
marketplace out there, eBay. And they are taking great steps

483
00:24:20.289 --> 00:24:23.710
to improve the site. And a lot of people see it.

484
00:24:23.750 --> 00:24:26.549
They're not sure yet, but eBay is making moves to

485
00:24:26.589 --> 00:24:29.750
make it a better marketplace. They know they've had a

486
00:24:29.789 --> 00:24:31.970
lot of flack from people through the years. And I

487
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.039
used to work with them and their trust and safety

488
00:24:34.490 --> 00:24:37.180
department when I was at PSA years ago, going back

489
00:24:37.859 --> 00:24:41.819
almost 20 years. So they've actually made some recent steps

490
00:24:42.259 --> 00:24:44.839
to improve. And now they're moving forward with even more

491
00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:47.740
drastic steps, which I think they're going to implement in

492
00:24:47.769 --> 00:24:50.250
the next probably six to eight months. But they want

493
00:24:50.269 --> 00:24:52.369
to clean that site up and they want to make

494
00:24:52.390 --> 00:24:55.509
it a safer environment. And autograph people have always complained

495
00:24:55.549 --> 00:24:57.690
about it. And you know what, me as a seller

496
00:24:57.750 --> 00:24:59.539
on there too, I look at it and I'm like, man,

497
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:02.660
you know, I see this guy selling Harrison Ford 8x10s

498
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:05.440
all day long for 80 bucks. And I'd like to

499
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:08.440
think that those are uneducated buyers. Those are a one-time buyer.

500
00:25:08.950 --> 00:25:11.390
Someone doesn't know what they're doing there. Maybe someone's looking

501
00:25:11.450 --> 00:25:14.630
at like, oh, your photos, 1800, but this one's 80 bucks.

502
00:25:14.809 --> 00:25:16.410
Same thing. I'm going to buy that one. They don't

503
00:25:16.430 --> 00:25:18.380
know any different. And I think the thing that I

504
00:25:18.380 --> 00:25:22.420
always push towards is education, education and letting the public,

505
00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:24.900
you know, and listen, I look at it this way.

506
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.819
We are in, you and I are in this sphere

507
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.299
of this industry we're in right here, right? This is us.

508
00:25:30.619 --> 00:25:32.779
But we want to get to all these other people too,

509
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:34.339
because there's a lot of other people out here who

510
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.480
love collecting. I think truthfully, I think Fanatics Fest has

511
00:25:37.509 --> 00:25:40.190
done a good job of that. And they've brought in

512
00:25:40.289 --> 00:25:43.950
people that you would normally never see in the collectible sphere.

513
00:25:43.990 --> 00:25:47.049
They're in there because let's be honest, it really wasn't cool.

514
00:25:47.470 --> 00:25:50.049
It was never cool for any kind of athlete to say,

515
00:25:50.069 --> 00:25:51.769
Oh yeah, I'm going to go crack some wax. Cause they,

516
00:25:52.049 --> 00:25:54.170
it wasn't cool to do or a celebrity like, Oh,

517
00:25:54.210 --> 00:25:56.190
you collect baseball cards. What are you 10 years old?

518
00:25:56.529 --> 00:25:59.009
But now it's the thing to do, you know? And

519
00:25:59.029 --> 00:26:02.069
I think, yeah, yeah. And it is nuts, man, because

520
00:26:02.269 --> 00:26:04.490
I could, I still look back. I, The thing is

521
00:26:04.529 --> 00:26:06.589
I've known celebrities that have collected, but they've all done

522
00:26:06.609 --> 00:26:08.430
it on the down low. It's not like they're going to,

523
00:26:08.569 --> 00:26:10.309
you know, they're, they're going to tell somebody on a

524
00:26:10.349 --> 00:26:13.849
movie set. He's like, Oh yeah, I'm collecting autographs. What?

525
00:26:14.269 --> 00:26:16.269
You know, who was one of the biggest celebrity autograph

526
00:26:16.309 --> 00:26:20.509
collectors of all time was Johnny. And you know, Johnny

527
00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:23.369
would go to card shows. Johnny would go, you know,

528
00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:25.769
he used to go to shows in New York, California,

529
00:26:26.109 --> 00:26:28.170
but I went to Johnny's house in 2001 with some

530
00:26:28.210 --> 00:26:33.150
people and I, sitting on a table and Johnny's passed

531
00:26:33.230 --> 00:26:35.190
now a long time ago, but it's like a stack

532
00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:37.430
of envelopes like this. And I'm like, what are those?

533
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:39.039
He's like, oh, it's the stuff I sent out in

534
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:41.220
the mail. Cause he would write the guy's console to

535
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.559
get autographs. You know, he, you know, meanwhile, we're up

536
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.920
in the Hollywood Hills. He has like an $ 8 million

537
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.279
house and he's writing to like Larry, Larry Yount. Cause

538
00:26:49.299 --> 00:26:51.599
he played him one game, Robin Yount's brother. That's the

539
00:26:51.619 --> 00:26:53.599
type of thing he was doing. So he, he was

540
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.970
a completist. He wanted a photo signed of, of every

541
00:26:57.019 --> 00:27:00.140
player who ever played baseball, even one game. So he

542
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.140
had gone to great lengths to do that. And he

543
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.660
had collected for years, but then once he found out

544
00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:06.980
he was basically, you know, he's going to die of cancer,

545
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.000
he ended up selling it all and get rid of it. So,

546
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.329
but people wouldn't know that stuff because, you know, Oh,

547
00:27:13.730 --> 00:27:15.210
he didn't really talk about it a lot. It's not

548
00:27:15.230 --> 00:27:17.390
like he was talking with his bandmates about going to

549
00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:20.490
get autographs or going to a show. Cause he needed money, Irvin,

550
00:27:20.509 --> 00:27:22.950
you know, I mean, it was for him, he just

551
00:27:22.990 --> 00:27:24.970
kind of kept it on the down low and, but

552
00:27:25.029 --> 00:27:26.910
now it's cool to do it. It's very strange.

553
00:27:27.230 --> 00:27:27.470
Yeah.

554
00:27:27.890 --> 00:27:32.039
They've done a 180. And that's crazy. Right here, he's

555
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:36.599
a celebrity himself. And he's, like you said, he's doing

556
00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:38.440
the TTM, right? Through the mail.

557
00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:39.440
He's writing through the mail.

558
00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:41.599
I mean, I'm like, I'm scratching my head. I'm like,

559
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.059
wait a minute. Your biggest punk rock band of all time.

560
00:27:45.099 --> 00:27:48.180
One of the most influential punk rock bands ever. Period.

561
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:51.420
You can't debate it. It is factual. And you're writing

562
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:56.369
to a guy who played one game. I'm, okay. Yeah. Cool.

563
00:27:56.529 --> 00:27:57.109
Mind blown.

564
00:27:57.509 --> 00:27:57.730
Yeah.

565
00:27:58.109 --> 00:28:00.549
So you you're not you don't think that number is

566
00:28:00.609 --> 00:28:04.299
far off. You think it's fairly even and maybe worse

567
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.339
today with like I just think the technology right has

568
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.700
gotten better with time as well.

569
00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:12.680
Well, what they're you know, the thing the thing. OK,

570
00:28:12.700 --> 00:28:15.180
so you mentioned auto pen writer. OK, but what they're doing, too,

571
00:28:15.269 --> 00:28:18.750
is like I see it like crazy. The fake search

572
00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:23.220
that are getting knocked off of Beckett. PSA, JSA, Fanatics, Steiner.

573
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:26.640
You can keep going on TriStar. They've all gotten hit.

574
00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:30.519
But the Beckett ones, I've seen on a lot of photos.

575
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.609
And then the PSA ones, what they do is that,

576
00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:37.470
just to give an example. So back in 2002, I

577
00:28:37.509 --> 00:28:39.369
was out in New Jersey. I got asked to go

578
00:28:39.390 --> 00:28:42.029
out there when I was with PSA. They have 15,000

579
00:28:42.029 --> 00:28:45.009
Kobe Bryant autographs to certify. This company did. So what

580
00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:46.990
they had done is bought all those in the scoreboard

581
00:28:47.029 --> 00:28:50.029
bankruptcy sale. And they had to get them all certified.

582
00:28:50.089 --> 00:28:52.289
So we went out there as a first time, actually

583
00:28:52.329 --> 00:28:55.059
at PSA, we ever did a small cert card and

584
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.400
a sticker that matched. That was the first time. And

585
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.480
we did the Kobe's, but there was no photos of him.

586
00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:03.940
So the website didn't have backup, you know, just said

587
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.019
Kobe Bryant signed jersey. So now what they do is

588
00:29:07.059 --> 00:29:09.240
they go in there, they find those numbers or they

589
00:29:09.269 --> 00:29:10.910
just know them because they could find them on eBay,

590
00:29:10.970 --> 00:29:13.779
real ones. And then they reproduce the number. the sticker,

591
00:29:14.019 --> 00:29:16.319
they fake the autograph and put it out there. And

592
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.319
I've tried my best to educate people about that stuff nonstop.

593
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.680
Like I have, you know, my YouTube channel, I've got

594
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.869
a whole video, a whole video I did about the

595
00:29:23.900 --> 00:29:27.329
whole thing because I'm quite truthfully mortified by it, you know,

596
00:29:27.589 --> 00:29:29.430
and I want people to know what to look for.

597
00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:31.589
Here's what you look for with Kobe Bryant. Look for

598
00:29:31.630 --> 00:29:33.789
this on these jerseys. If you're getting this, it's no good.

599
00:29:33.970 --> 00:29:34.809
So be very careful.

600
00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:35.450
Yeah.

601
00:29:35.589 --> 00:29:35.710
Yeah.

602
00:29:35.750 --> 00:29:37.869
That's one thing I love about you too, Steve. I'm

603
00:29:37.890 --> 00:29:39.769
not just saying this because I'm talking to you. I'm

604
00:29:39.789 --> 00:29:41.359
saying it because it's how I really feel.

605
00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:44.480
It's accurate. It's like you said, the education, right?

606
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.039
Like this is your business, but you also want people to,

607
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.799
you're teaching them and you're hoping they learn so that

608
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.269
they don't get burned or go down a pratfall that

609
00:29:56.549 --> 00:29:59.109
can cost them money and then they don't actually have

610
00:29:59.569 --> 00:30:01.190
what they think they have.

611
00:30:01.630 --> 00:30:02.930
It's bad for the business.

612
00:30:02.630 --> 00:30:03.269
Anyway, isn't it?

613
00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:04.059
I mean, it's bad.

614
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.440
I mean, listen, we don't want to scare people away, right?

615
00:30:06.859 --> 00:30:08.769
We want people to come in and spend money and

616
00:30:09.049 --> 00:30:12.210
enjoy it and collect and, not be scared away by

617
00:30:12.269 --> 00:30:15.210
buying bad autographs or getting burned on Kobe or Jordan.

618
00:30:15.549 --> 00:30:17.450
You know, we don't want that. So let's try and

619
00:30:17.509 --> 00:30:19.750
educate them as much as possible and get the good

620
00:30:19.849 --> 00:30:22.450
info out there so they can actually see it for themselves.

621
00:30:22.490 --> 00:30:24.400
I mean, Kobe's a great example of that. You know,

622
00:30:25.299 --> 00:30:27.599
those are a great example. The Jordan stuff, the fake

623
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.539
Beckett certs, the fake PSA certs, the fake JSA certs

624
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.960
that are out there. You know, I feel like I've

625
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.180
been in the epicenter of all these big things that

626
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.170
have happened. You know, the forgery guys, the guys who

627
00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:41.500
have been busted, I just recently filmed for a documentary

628
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:46.089
about Cliff, Cliff Panovich, who is in Ohio operation stolen base.

629
00:30:46.470 --> 00:30:49.089
And I sat down with the crew this past week

630
00:30:49.369 --> 00:30:52.829
in Las Vegas or just recently, basically. And we just

631
00:30:52.890 --> 00:30:55.079
talked about it for seem like forever, but they're putting

632
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:58.400
them together a documentary about him. And he, he is

633
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.339
so cocky and arrogant. He said that he knows that

634
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:03.839
he could come back and do it again. And no

635
00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:05.849
one would even know. And I'm like, Here's the thing

636
00:31:05.910 --> 00:31:08.490
people would know. His forgeries were really bad anyway. They

637
00:31:08.529 --> 00:31:11.789
were hideous. But at the same time, you can't flood

638
00:31:11.809 --> 00:31:15.019
the marketplace with that volume of bad stuff without it

639
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:18.119
getting picked off by people on eBay or people calling

640
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.359
it out on Facebook. He would get called out and

641
00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:22.420
it would be over with. So, you know, I mean,

642
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.769
it's been enjoyable, though, to educate. I keep doing it.

643
00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:27.319
I do videos all the time about, you know, whether

644
00:31:27.339 --> 00:31:30.400
it's Roberto Clemente or Muhammad Ali or James Hetfield or

645
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.809
Harrison Ford or Heath Ledger. I want to educate people

646
00:31:34.009 --> 00:31:36.329
on what to look for. And what to stay away from.

647
00:31:36.470 --> 00:31:38.430
And that's what I've been trying to do for a

648
00:31:38.450 --> 00:31:40.930
long time. Now I have more of a voice to

649
00:31:40.970 --> 00:31:43.839
do it. Before I worked for PSA and Beckett, they

650
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:45.759
wanted to control more of that stuff. But now I

651
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:47.240
can get out there and do it on my own.

652
00:31:47.259 --> 00:31:49.259
And I'm enjoying it. It's good to educate.

653
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.740
And you're the CEO. I'm sure your wife's on the

654
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:54.609
board of directors.

655
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:58.170
No, she's the CEO. My wife is the CEO. I

656
00:31:58.190 --> 00:32:02.269
take a back seat. There's only two of us. That's it.

657
00:32:02.329 --> 00:32:05.009
Grad Collection has two people. That's it. Just my wife

658
00:32:05.069 --> 00:32:05.289
and myself.

659
00:32:05.349 --> 00:32:08.049
As long as they're both on the same page, you

660
00:32:08.089 --> 00:32:10.430
kind of do what you really want to do and

661
00:32:10.450 --> 00:32:11.930
what you're passionate about.

662
00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:14.470
For sure. That was Steve Grad.

663
00:32:14.509 --> 00:32:16.940
Happy to have him on for, like I said in

664
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:20.480
the intro, for the first time. He will be back

665
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:24.859
for part two next Friday as well. So part one

666
00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:28.640
and part two. And, you know, I always appreciate guests

667
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.839
when they say like, hey, You know, you can ask

668
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.000
me anything you want. Steve's one of those type of guys.

669
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.619
So we really appreciate his time and making some time

670
00:32:40.660 --> 00:32:44.809
for us here. Check back in next week for the

671
00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:49.490
conclusion of our great conversation, if I may be so bold.

672
00:32:50.009 --> 00:32:50.309
All right.

673
00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:53.230
Some closing thoughts and notes. And we're going to wrap

674
00:32:53.349 --> 00:32:55.049
up this week's episode.

675
00:32:56.289 --> 00:33:00.109
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676
00:33:03.549 --> 00:33:05.589
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677
00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:09.660
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678
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:11.519
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679
00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:14.500
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680
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