Dec. 29, 2025

"The Etiquette of Death in the Hobby" Hobby Quick Hits E219

"The Etiquette of Death in the Hobby" Hobby Quick Hits E219

It's always tragic when a sports figure passes away before their time, but what's the etiquette hobby wise when that occurs and is their a difference between an old retired athlete and when it's a younger active one? We tackle that topic on this episode.  


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Robby Quick Hits delivering that breaking hobby news loads you

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want to know those Josh card Shop shaff You've got

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your cover, your host John new Name.

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Hello, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Hobby Quick Hits.

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And on today's episode, we're going to talk about, you know,

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something we've all probably run into or thought about, or

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made a decision or took a stance on.

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Right.

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We've had athletes pass away right during their playing days,

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soon after or even in old age, right, And there's

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sort of a there's no written rule, but an unwritten

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rule too whether or not you should sell their cards

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or be buying their cards, and that sort of thing.

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And so I'm gonna you know, recently Greg Biffle and

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his family unfortunately lost his life, lost their life in

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a plane crash in North Carolina. You know, there's no

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good time, but how they season makes it even all

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the more tragic. And I'm not so much a racing

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collector or dealer, but this came into play and I'll

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save that for when we get into the main topic.

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But you know, what are the thoughts on selling not selling,

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you know, refusing to sell when someone dies, especially tragically,

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right unexpectedly, you know someone you know, Ted Williams dies

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in his eighties. It's kind of you know, not unexpected,

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did if you will? Right? Tony Gwyn unfortunately gets cancer

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and dies way too young. Right, those kinds of situations.

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While the finale is the same, Uh, the the situation,

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the circumstances are different. What's the etiquette hobby wise when

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it comes to that. So that's what this show is

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going to tackle, uh today And uh, you know, by

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all means, my door is always open. Let me let

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me know. Am I wrong? You agree what I'm going

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to say later or you don't, John, You're wrong, So

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let me know. There's really this is an opinion based

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show today, so there's really no wrong answers per se.

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So let me know what you think. As always, let's

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check out.

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This week's hobby Wax release is Take It Away Max.

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Hey guys, it's Maxim Sports here shopping in the weekly

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releases the next few weeks here. Starting off on the

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twenty ninth, we have twenty twenty five Tops five Star Baseball.

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On the thirtieth, we have twenty twenty four twenty five

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tops UEFA Club Competition's Merlin Chrome Soccer Blaster as well

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as the Soccer Hat Trick and the Soccer Hobby Boxes,

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and on the thirty first we have twenty twenty four

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twenty five tops UFA Club Competitions in Sception Soccer and

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on the second we have twenty twenty four twenty five

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five tops UAFA Women's Champion League Chrome Soccer Hobby as

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well as the Chrome Soccer Sapphire coming out on that

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day as well for that product. Also in the second

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we have twenty twenty six try Star Hidden Treasures Autograph footballs,

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and on the seventh we have twenty twenty five Pinni

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Immaculate Football, twenty twenty five tops Comb Update Series Baseball Sapphire,

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and on the seventh we also have twenty twenty six

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Upper Deck Golf and finally on the ninth we have

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a bigger lead Prison Football. Enjoy the rest of the

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show and thank you for tuning it.

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Let's go around the hobby verse and catch up on

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this week's hobby news.

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And find out all right, the big news of the

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week as you probably already know, but just in case,

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Collectors Universe, parent company of PSA and SGC, is now

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the parent company of Beckett, buying their grading services or

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acquiring their their grading services does not include Southern Hobby

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or dragon Shield. Their supply Southern Hobby distributorship and dragon

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Shield is the supply side company does not include those,

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but does include pretty much everything else. So know, there

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are people up in arms saying that there's a monopoly,

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including our own New York State Congressman Patrick Ryan, who

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has petitioned the Federal Trade Commission to look into this

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acquisition and reverse it or you know, undo it, claiming

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it's a monopoly. So we'll see if that gets any

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traction or goes anywhere. Let's get back to the acquisition itself.

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Collectors announce that Beckett much what they said, like with

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SGC would be run. It would be you know, separate

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and run individually as well. We've seen some stuff happen

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at SGC that wasn't on point what was said, So

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we'll have to see what happens with Beckett, you know.

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And and just to inject a little opinion here into

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the new segment, you know a lot of people claimed

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SGC would be killed off. They are running operational and

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I still do my bulk subs, not at the bulks

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up rate, but I still provide the service I still

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I'm only lost about twenty percent of you know, submissions

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since the bulk rate went away. I thought that number

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would be higher, but it isn't. And you know, SGC,

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like the Ryan, does a great job with that Gemery report.

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But I talked to my guys at SGC and they

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wanted me to make this known as those numbers are

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what's going out the door, not what they're getting. So

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less is going out the door. Some of their grading

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staff has been poached by PSA, but they are still

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getting pretty close to the same amount of cards they were.

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It's just that lesser going out, so it looks like

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they're getting less. They're just not at that ten to

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twelve day and they're with less graters on the floor,

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they're not keeping up with the prior pace. So just

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keep that in mind when you look at those those numbers, right,

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it doesn't tell That tells a good portion of story,

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but it doesn't tell the complete story. So we'll have

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to see, you know, what comes down the turnpike in

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both fronts, right, Beckett and SGC. Under the Collector's Universe umbrella,

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we have a new record for an unsigned card, The

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Kobe Michael Jordan Exquisite Logo Man from two thousand and three,

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and the Heritage Winner auction which just closed, wound up

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with a three point seven million dollars there's a record

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for a unsigned modern card in the same auction. Let's

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talk about some of the other closings in that auction.

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A PSA eight fifty two Manuel went for one and

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a half million dollars. A PSA one and a half

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of the same card but with Mantal's autograph on the

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front went for nine hundred and forty five thousand dollars,

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and a PSA eight Michael Jordan debut ticket from his

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first game, the highest, greatest, the highest graded version known

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with that eight designation brought almost just short of three

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hundred and forty two thousand dollars. So there's some of

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the highlights from the Heritage Winner auction. Let's talk about

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you know, the licensing has went back to Fanatic Slash Tops,

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at least on the basketball side, and they've released their

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their Chrome audition. Reviews have been mixed but mostly favorable,

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and of course a lot of one on ones and

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Gold Logo Man of the three award winners from last year,

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stuff on Castle SGA and Evan Mobley, so Defensive Rookie

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the Year, Rookie of the Year and MVPH. So those

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are the chase cards, if you will, from that product.

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Let's talk about a new Japanese you know, we talked

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about show Hey, and we're gonna talk about we actually

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are going to talk about show Hey here in the news.

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But let's talk about another Japanese import. First, Munataka Murakami

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coming over. He's signing with the White Sox two years,

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thirty four million dollars, third basement in Japan. I think

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he's going to play first base for the White Sox.

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And he has some cards. Tops Now obviously made a

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tops Now card with the signing, but he had a

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you know, tops made some Japanese tops for the Japanese leagues.

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He appears on those cards, and his first card is

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the traditional Japanese card manufacturer BBM. His first card in

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twenty seventeen. He has some others, you know, you can

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check eBay that they've obviously, since the signing is going

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to cost you a little bit more to acquire those.

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Let's stay on the Japanese baseball although these this is

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now Major League Baseball. The twenty twenty five hoped Chrome

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MVP gold logo men of Shohei Otani signed with the

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gold logomen One of one obviously just went for three

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million dollars on fanatics collect So a lot of big

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money cards on the higher end of the thing. And unfortunately,

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when you talk big money cards, crime usually isn't very

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far behind. And on the twenty second of December, which

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was a Sunday morning most stores are closed for today,

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three stores across southern California were robbed, including forty four

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Collectibles in Laverne, which took a twenty thousand dollars loss

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death days before their New Year's Eve grand opening. Other

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stores in San Gabe and sam Demas were also hit

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as well. The police believe it is the same person

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scoping these all out. And this follows on previous six

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stores in the area in those areas Southern California were

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robbed uh previously. So this continues a burglary wave in

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Southern California of hobby and collectible stores. And you know,

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you know, my my take on this as a former

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store owner, I just hate to hear about it. I

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hate that it's happening. You know, there's the terrens. You

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know shatterproof glass security systems, but nothing is one hundred

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percent food proof. And it's said that especially this time

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of year, that someone's put in their their elbow grease,

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hard work, their own findinantials to to get these stores going,

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and just someone comes in the middle of night and

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robs them. I just that really gets me, gets my cross.

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So hopefully the culprits are are apprehended, and not only apprehended, right,

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they usually catch these guys, but we need to have

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stronger penalties, right, longer sentences to be deterrents for for

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future crimes. A lot of times these guys get caught

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and they get relatively speaking, they get slaps on the

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wrist and barely serve gail time. And I think that's

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one of the issues why these keep occurring. Just just

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my two cents. So hopefully the perpetrator perpetrators are caught

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and made an example of. So that's the news, all right.

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Today's topic is about the get of the hobby when

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it comes to a player passing away, and everyone will

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have a different opinion, like the rules, the unwritten rules,

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if you will, of how selling up someone who tragically

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passes away should be handled to no two people necessarily

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are going to think alike. I don't think anyone's necessarily

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wrong or right per se. But a recent thing happened

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which brought us to the forefront for me and made

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me want to record this episode. And you know many

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have heard the story with Derman Munson was the first

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time I realized even what death was, had no idea

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and was a young Yankee fan. Eventually became a Mets fan,

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but Derman Munson was my favorite Yankee. Had seen him

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play at Yankee Stadium, never met him. The news broke

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that his plane had went down and he was killed.

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I had no idea what means. I had asked my grandfather.

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He let me know that, you know, Darman had passed

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away and went to heaven. Explained it in a way

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that a six or seven year old can't understand, and

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it hit me like a ton of bricks. I had

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no idea that there's an ending to us at that time.

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No I thought we lived, we all lived forever. As

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we all know, that's not the case. And that's how

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I learned that wasn't the case was through Thurman Munson's

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plane crash. It's the first time I've cried over a

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person's death. I had no at that point, I had

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no family members who had passed away in attend any

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wakes or funerals, and that hit me like a ton

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of bricks. And that's when I learned. And uh, you know,

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I was very upset, probably for a few days, and then,

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like a lot of the little kids, you know, you

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pick yourself up by the bootstraps and keep going, but

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never forget it. I almost feel like yesterday, even though

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it's you know, forty over forty years ago, and it's

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crazy to think, right, I think you should be in

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the hall. But that's a whole other show in itself,

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but you know, it's it wasn't the first tragedy where

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an athlete was cut down in the prime of his career,

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and unfortunately won't be the last. The most recent, uh

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you know, Greg Biffel, although I believe he was retired.

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But well, we'll get into that minute in a minute.

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We've seen, you know, we've seen circumstances where athletes right

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lived to a ripe old age and then pass away.

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Willie May's and guys of that Elk and then we've

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seen you know, the Tony Gwinns and the Kobe Bryants

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much too soon, Kirby Puckets, and the list goes on

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and on, Payne Stewart, and you know, and you hate,

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you hate when it happens, and you know, you always

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usually if you have a heart and your compassionate, you

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feel terrible. But what know, hobby wise, what's the etiquette

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when someone at a fairly young age, whether they're still

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playing or maybe they recently retired but still young, tragically passes.

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What you know? I've heard people talk about a moratorium

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where it's, you know, for two weeks, you shouldn't buy

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yourself a card of that player, right, And I get it.

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I'm not saying that's wrong. You know, some people say

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one week, some people say a month. You ask a

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different hobbyist, you'll get probably a different time frame. Others

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will tell you, hey, there's no timeframe. Just you know,

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it's unfortunate that person lost their life, but you have

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to go on right, business and life has to go

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on as usual. So there's no real written rule, right,

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it's just sort of that unwritten etiquette. You know. If

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you ask me, I'm sort of that two week. I

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kind of like that. But even that, Like I'm trying

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to think when when Kobe's, you know, tragically passed with

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the helicopter. Now, I didn't have a million Kobe's. I

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didn't have any Kobe autos in my show inventory. But

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I was doing shows, and if memory serves me correct,

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I didn't pull any you know, Kobe's out of my case,

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and I didn't change any prices. I just kept him

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in there, and if someone wanted them, they bought them. Again.

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I didn't have a ton to begin with, so you know,

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but let me let me tell you what pretty what

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sort of instigated or brought this episode on. So you

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may have heard this past week Greg Biffle. I believe

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he's in the NASCAR Hall of Fame. I believe he's retired,

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his wife and two kids, and I think a few

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others aboard a private plane that crashed in North Carolina

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on all tragically lost their life. I believe he was

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in his late forties, early fifties. And you know, I'm

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not a racing fan. I know some race car drive,

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you know, I know the sport a little bit, but

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I'm no expert by any stretched imagination. My personal collection

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when it comes to racing consists of some unopened wax

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that I purchased and just socked away. As far as

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single cards go, I don't own any. I don't have

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any in my PC. However, about four or five years

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ago I bought a collection, as I sometimes do, and

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that collection contained just a bunch of mishmash of cards

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from different genres, right, Baseball, football, hockey, I think there

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was even some soccer cards, some nonsports, and then there

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was a probably about fifty to seventy five racing cards.

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And what I do, I use a different selling platforms,

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but one of them being sport Lots. Sports Lots as

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a platform I use for at the lesser valued stuff, right,

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a lot of base cards, commons that sort of things.

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You can list them for eighteen to twenty cents on

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the low end, and then anywhere on based on the

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card or whatever you want to ask for. So I

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had these seventy five assorted racing cards, all different things.

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There are some prison in there, There was some Victory Lane,

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it was just a hodgepodge, a couple of autograph cards.

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There was a couple like sheet metal cards and what

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have you, and I just listed those on there. Again,

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this is you know, probably five or six years ago,

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and forgot about them, right, Like we do a lot

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of things, and you know, I don't sell a ton

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on sports lots, but you know, almost every day I

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get an email that you know, package up your this

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item has these items have sold, right. And so since

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I listed those racing cards, which is again probably five

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to six years ago, you know, I've sold soccer cards,

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I sold hockey cards, baseball cards, football, good ones, champions basketball,

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pretty any John Rife listed on there has sold. And

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I don't mean this to be sound as derogative towards racing,

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but none of those seventy five cards that I listed

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that were NASCAR sold not a one. To the point

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sometimes I'm even looking through it. I'm like, I've never sold,

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you know, a racing a racing card. So here we are,

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five or six years later after I listed I'm not

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even thinking about it, right, The news comes across my

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phone about the tragic plane crash. Greg Biffle has passed away,

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and I kid you not. Not five minutes after that

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notification came across my phone, a notification came across my

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phone that I have a sports lot message. And that's

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how they let you know there's any issues if something's sold.

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They don't tell you what the message and tails they

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just say, check your sports lot inbox, you have a message.

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So I went to sports Lots, opened the message and

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didn't even know I had it, folks. To be quite honest,

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but Greg Biffle autograph card that I had listed at

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eight bucks five or six years ago, got the notification

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that it's sold, and like I said, it's literally five

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minutes after the news came across my phone that he

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had passed away. It's the only card that was bought

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out of all the seventy five racing cards listed. I

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went to my box where I have where I thought

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that card should be my sports Monster boxes, could not

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find it. Don't know if I moved it, don't know.

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If you know, I don't know, I don't know. And

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then I thought about it, like I just said, you know,

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and it's not I just said, I'm not comfortable. This

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is probably someone and again I don't know what one

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hundred percent certainly, but I feel very comfortable saying this

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is someone that got the news that Greg Biffle died.

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Went on. Who knows how many platforms look for Greg

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biffle stuff, probably mostly autograph stuff, and said, man, eight

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bucks for a dead guy's autograph and click by, and

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I'm just not comfortable selling that in no situations. So

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and plus I couldn't locate this card. I'm still looking

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for it. And if and when I find it, it's

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not going to be sold. I'm going to keep it.

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Someone says, oh, John, you're not selling it because it's

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only eight bucks. Now. It has nothing to do It's

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principal over price has nothing to do with the cost

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of that card. Could be fifty bucks, could be a dollar,

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it doesn't matter. Just I feel like someone just taking

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advantage of the situation. Now, if there were three or

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four other racing cards in with that purchase, and this

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maybe is a racing would look more like a racing

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fan rather than someone jumping on this because that person

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just died with his family in a plane crash. You know,

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maybe I would have felt differently, But I just didn't

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feel comfortable. I'm not doing it right. I'm not going

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on there trying to buy a bunch of cheap Greg

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Bilful autograph cards. I just I didn't feel comfortable. I

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felt kind of that it's sort of a sleazy thing

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to do, and maybe I'm wrong. Again, this is one

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person's opinion. And so I couldn't find the card, and

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I wound up having to just go to sports Lot

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and say, could not locate the card. But you know,

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one transparency, I'm not a phony person. I will tell

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you even if I had found the card, I would not.

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I just don't feel comfortable selling it when I feel

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like it's just because he had died five minutes or

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you know, it was announced five minutes prior to that

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sale that he had passed away. I just I just

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think that's sort of kind of cruddy, kind of cringey,

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and I just don't want to be part of that,

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on either side buying anything or selling it. And so

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you know, again I haven't found the card. It's I've

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got a lot. You know, there's some boxes in here

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I got to get through, and uh, and even if

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I find it, it's just gonna sit in there. I've

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obviously taken the card off of sports Lot, which is

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the only place that was listed on in the first place.

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And you know, I'm just not I'm not comfortable partaking

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in that. Am I wrong? Am I right?

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What? Say?

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You? You know, I just think it's you know, I

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think too, especially when it's someone of lesser star value, right,

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you know. And I don't mean any disrespect to Greg Biffle,

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but Greg Biffle is not Kobe Bryant or Willie Mays,

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you know, or other athletes we've we've lost in recent years.

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He's still a great human being who was very philanthropic.

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I was reading a great person that will be missed

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by by many raising fans and otherwise, and again, I

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just I thought it was just kind of sleazy five

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minutes right after that and just not gonna. I'm not

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going to be on either side of that out buying

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or selling of someone's debt. So, uh, that card is somewhere,

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maybe here, I'm assuming, but it's going to remain here.

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I'm not going to profit often. I don't feel like

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other peop people should jump on someone's death and do it.

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What say you? Is there an etiquette? Is there an

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unwritten rule that you follow or believe in or think

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there should be. I know the most common one I've

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heard is when a player passes away, you know, there's

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a two week I know on a lot of the

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online platforms like Facebook message boards, someone passes away, they'll

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say no, Willie mace Cart's listed for sale for two weeks.

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Please just sort of the etiquette there that the online

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world has sort of embraced. You know, do you agree

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with that? Do you think there should be no unwritten rule?

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Just it is what it is? What say you? Where

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do you fall? Am I wrong for doing what I did?

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You know?

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Let me have it like I you know, I don't

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feel terrible, but maybe you know? Let me know what

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you think? What would have you done the same situation?

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Would you've done what I did? Something else, something in between? What?

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What say you? Let me know where you stand on

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something like this, because it's it's just an interesting topic

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when it happens. And and again it's there's no set rule,

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it's just what somebody uh is comfortable with? I guess.

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So where do you? Where do you fall here? Where

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do you weigh in at? Thanks? Thanks for listening and

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we'll see you next time. Let me know. Thank you