Dec. 29, 2025
"The Etiquette of Death in the Hobby" Hobby Quick Hits E219
It's always tragic when a sports figure passes away before their time, but what's the etiquette hobby wise when that occurs and is their a difference between an old retired athlete and when it's a younger active one? We tackle that topic on this episode.
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Robby Quick Hits delivering that breaking hobby news loads you
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want to know those Josh card Shop shaff You've got
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your cover, your host John new Name.
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Hello, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Hobby Quick Hits.
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And on today's episode, we're going to talk about, you know,
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something we've all probably run into or thought about, or
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made a decision or took a stance on.
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Right.
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We've had athletes pass away right during their playing days,
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soon after or even in old age, right, And there's
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sort of a there's no written rule, but an unwritten
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rule too whether or not you should sell their cards
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or be buying their cards, and that sort of thing.
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And so I'm gonna you know, recently Greg Biffle and
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his family unfortunately lost his life, lost their life in
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a plane crash in North Carolina. You know, there's no
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good time, but how they season makes it even all
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the more tragic. And I'm not so much a racing
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collector or dealer, but this came into play and I'll
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save that for when we get into the main topic.
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But you know, what are the thoughts on selling not selling,
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you know, refusing to sell when someone dies, especially tragically,
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right unexpectedly, you know someone you know, Ted Williams dies
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in his eighties. It's kind of you know, not unexpected,
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did if you will? Right? Tony Gwyn unfortunately gets cancer
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and dies way too young. Right, those kinds of situations.
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While the finale is the same, Uh, the the situation,
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the circumstances are different. What's the etiquette hobby wise when
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it comes to that. So that's what this show is
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going to tackle, uh today And uh, you know, by
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all means, my door is always open. Let me let
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me know. Am I wrong? You agree what I'm going
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to say later or you don't, John, You're wrong, So
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let me know. There's really this is an opinion based
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show today, so there's really no wrong answers per se.
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So let me know what you think. As always, let's
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check out.
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This week's hobby Wax release is Take It Away Max.
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Hey guys, it's Maxim Sports here shopping in the weekly
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releases the next few weeks here. Starting off on the
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twenty ninth, we have twenty twenty five Tops five Star Baseball.
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On the thirtieth, we have twenty twenty four twenty five
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tops UEFA Club Competition's Merlin Chrome Soccer Blaster as well
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as the Soccer Hat Trick and the Soccer Hobby Boxes,
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and on the thirty first we have twenty twenty four
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twenty five tops UFA Club Competitions in Sception Soccer and
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on the second we have twenty twenty four twenty five
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five tops UAFA Women's Champion League Chrome Soccer Hobby as
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well as the Chrome Soccer Sapphire coming out on that
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day as well for that product. Also in the second
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we have twenty twenty six try Star Hidden Treasures Autograph footballs,
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and on the seventh we have twenty twenty five Pinni
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Immaculate Football, twenty twenty five tops Comb Update Series Baseball Sapphire,
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and on the seventh we also have twenty twenty six
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Upper Deck Golf and finally on the ninth we have
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a bigger lead Prison Football. Enjoy the rest of the
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show and thank you for tuning it.
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Let's go around the hobby verse and catch up on
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this week's hobby news.
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And find out all right, the big news of the
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week as you probably already know, but just in case,
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Collectors Universe, parent company of PSA and SGC, is now
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the parent company of Beckett, buying their grading services or
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acquiring their their grading services does not include Southern Hobby
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or dragon Shield. Their supply Southern Hobby distributorship and dragon
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Shield is the supply side company does not include those,
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but does include pretty much everything else. So know, there
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are people up in arms saying that there's a monopoly,
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including our own New York State Congressman Patrick Ryan, who
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has petitioned the Federal Trade Commission to look into this
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acquisition and reverse it or you know, undo it, claiming
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it's a monopoly. So we'll see if that gets any
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traction or goes anywhere. Let's get back to the acquisition itself.
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Collectors announce that Beckett much what they said, like with
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SGC would be run. It would be you know, separate
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and run individually as well. We've seen some stuff happen
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at SGC that wasn't on point what was said, So
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we'll have to see what happens with Beckett, you know.
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And and just to inject a little opinion here into
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the new segment, you know a lot of people claimed
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SGC would be killed off. They are running operational and
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I still do my bulk subs, not at the bulks
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up rate, but I still provide the service I still
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I'm only lost about twenty percent of you know, submissions
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since the bulk rate went away. I thought that number
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would be higher, but it isn't. And you know, SGC,
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like the Ryan, does a great job with that Gemery report.
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But I talked to my guys at SGC and they
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wanted me to make this known as those numbers are
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what's going out the door, not what they're getting. So
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less is going out the door. Some of their grading
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staff has been poached by PSA, but they are still
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getting pretty close to the same amount of cards they were.
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It's just that lesser going out, so it looks like
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they're getting less. They're just not at that ten to
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twelve day and they're with less graters on the floor,
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they're not keeping up with the prior pace. So just
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keep that in mind when you look at those those numbers, right,
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it doesn't tell That tells a good portion of story,
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but it doesn't tell the complete story. So we'll have
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to see, you know, what comes down the turnpike in
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both fronts, right, Beckett and SGC. Under the Collector's Universe umbrella,
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we have a new record for an unsigned card, The
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Kobe Michael Jordan Exquisite Logo Man from two thousand and three,
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and the Heritage Winner auction which just closed, wound up
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with a three point seven million dollars there's a record
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for a unsigned modern card in the same auction. Let's
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talk about some of the other closings in that auction.
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A PSA eight fifty two Manuel went for one and
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a half million dollars. A PSA one and a half
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of the same card but with Mantal's autograph on the
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front went for nine hundred and forty five thousand dollars,
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and a PSA eight Michael Jordan debut ticket from his
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first game, the highest, greatest, the highest graded version known
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with that eight designation brought almost just short of three
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hundred and forty two thousand dollars. So there's some of
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the highlights from the Heritage Winner auction. Let's talk about
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you know, the licensing has went back to Fanatic Slash Tops,
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at least on the basketball side, and they've released their
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their Chrome audition. Reviews have been mixed but mostly favorable,
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and of course a lot of one on ones and
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Gold Logo Man of the three award winners from last year,
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stuff on Castle SGA and Evan Mobley, so Defensive Rookie
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the Year, Rookie of the Year and MVPH. So those
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are the chase cards, if you will, from that product.
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Let's talk about a new Japanese you know, we talked
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about show Hey, and we're gonna talk about we actually
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are going to talk about show Hey here in the news.
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But let's talk about another Japanese import. First, Munataka Murakami
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coming over. He's signing with the White Sox two years,
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thirty four million dollars, third basement in Japan. I think
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he's going to play first base for the White Sox.
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And he has some cards. Tops Now obviously made a
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tops Now card with the signing, but he had a
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you know, tops made some Japanese tops for the Japanese leagues.
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He appears on those cards, and his first card is
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the traditional Japanese card manufacturer BBM. His first card in
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twenty seventeen. He has some others, you know, you can
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check eBay that they've obviously, since the signing is going
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to cost you a little bit more to acquire those.
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Let's stay on the Japanese baseball although these this is
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now Major League Baseball. The twenty twenty five hoped Chrome
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MVP gold logo men of Shohei Otani signed with the
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gold logomen One of one obviously just went for three
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million dollars on fanatics collect So a lot of big
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money cards on the higher end of the thing. And unfortunately,
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when you talk big money cards, crime usually isn't very
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far behind. And on the twenty second of December, which
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was a Sunday morning most stores are closed for today,
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three stores across southern California were robbed, including forty four
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Collectibles in Laverne, which took a twenty thousand dollars loss
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death days before their New Year's Eve grand opening. Other
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stores in San Gabe and sam Demas were also hit
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as well. The police believe it is the same person
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scoping these all out. And this follows on previous six
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stores in the area in those areas Southern California were
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robbed uh previously. So this continues a burglary wave in
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Southern California of hobby and collectible stores. And you know,
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you know, my my take on this as a former
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store owner, I just hate to hear about it. I
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hate that it's happening. You know, there's the terrens. You
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know shatterproof glass security systems, but nothing is one hundred
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percent food proof. And it's said that especially this time
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of year, that someone's put in their their elbow grease,
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hard work, their own findinantials to to get these stores going,
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and just someone comes in the middle of night and
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robs them. I just that really gets me, gets my cross.
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So hopefully the culprits are are apprehended, and not only apprehended, right,
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they usually catch these guys, but we need to have
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stronger penalties, right, longer sentences to be deterrents for for
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future crimes. A lot of times these guys get caught
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and they get relatively speaking, they get slaps on the
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wrist and barely serve gail time. And I think that's
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one of the issues why these keep occurring. Just just
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my two cents. So hopefully the perpetrator perpetrators are caught
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and made an example of. So that's the news, all right.
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Today's topic is about the get of the hobby when
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it comes to a player passing away, and everyone will
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have a different opinion, like the rules, the unwritten rules,
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if you will, of how selling up someone who tragically
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passes away should be handled to no two people necessarily
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are going to think alike. I don't think anyone's necessarily
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wrong or right per se. But a recent thing happened
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which brought us to the forefront for me and made
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me want to record this episode. And you know many
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have heard the story with Derman Munson was the first
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time I realized even what death was, had no idea
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and was a young Yankee fan. Eventually became a Mets fan,
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but Derman Munson was my favorite Yankee. Had seen him
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play at Yankee Stadium, never met him. The news broke
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that his plane had went down and he was killed.
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I had no idea what means. I had asked my grandfather.
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He let me know that, you know, Darman had passed
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away and went to heaven. Explained it in a way
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that a six or seven year old can't understand, and
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it hit me like a ton of bricks. I had
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no idea that there's an ending to us at that time.
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No I thought we lived, we all lived forever. As
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we all know, that's not the case. And that's how
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I learned that wasn't the case was through Thurman Munson's
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plane crash. It's the first time I've cried over a
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person's death. I had no at that point, I had
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no family members who had passed away in attend any
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wakes or funerals, and that hit me like a ton
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of bricks. And that's when I learned. And uh, you know,
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I was very upset, probably for a few days, and then,
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like a lot of the little kids, you know, you
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pick yourself up by the bootstraps and keep going, but
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never forget it. I almost feel like yesterday, even though
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it's you know, forty over forty years ago, and it's
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crazy to think, right, I think you should be in
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the hall. But that's a whole other show in itself,
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but you know, it's it wasn't the first tragedy where
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an athlete was cut down in the prime of his career,
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and unfortunately won't be the last. The most recent, uh
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you know, Greg Biffel, although I believe he was retired.
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But well, we'll get into that minute in a minute.
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We've seen, you know, we've seen circumstances where athletes right
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lived to a ripe old age and then pass away.
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Willie May's and guys of that Elk and then we've
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seen you know, the Tony Gwinns and the Kobe Bryants
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much too soon, Kirby Puckets, and the list goes on
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and on, Payne Stewart, and you know, and you hate,
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you hate when it happens, and you know, you always
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usually if you have a heart and your compassionate, you
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feel terrible. But what know, hobby wise, what's the etiquette
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when someone at a fairly young age, whether they're still
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playing or maybe they recently retired but still young, tragically passes.
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What you know? I've heard people talk about a moratorium
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where it's, you know, for two weeks, you shouldn't buy
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yourself a card of that player, right, And I get it.
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I'm not saying that's wrong. You know, some people say
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one week, some people say a month. You ask a
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different hobbyist, you'll get probably a different time frame. Others
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will tell you, hey, there's no timeframe. Just you know,
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it's unfortunate that person lost their life, but you have
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to go on right, business and life has to go
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on as usual. So there's no real written rule, right,
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it's just sort of that unwritten etiquette. You know. If
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