June 5, 2026

Zach & Porter Byrne "Positive Hobby Community" E391

Zach & Porter Byrne "Positive Hobby Community" E391
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It's been 4 years but we caught back up with Father/Son Collectors Zach and Porter Byrnes.


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*What's New

*Hobby tips for kids

*Changing what you collect


*Hobby Community On-Line and in person.


*Getting through hobby issues.


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and I appreciate them being part of the show. Speaking

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part of the show, we have alumnus returning to the

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podcast on this week's and next week's episode. They were

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here four years ago, father and son, Zach and porter Burn.

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And last time we had him on Zach was nineties.

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Now thirteen sounds older because he is more mature, getting

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ready for high school next year. And these two guys

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ooze hobby community. They're great examples of enjoying the hobby

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at any level. They have a great YouTube channel where

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they share some of the stuff they've required or send

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out or receive. And you know, really I got to

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meet him in person a few years ago, and just

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good people, right, and hobbies full of them. These are

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just two great examples of that. So they are back

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after four years. We're gonna catch up, see what's happened

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over the last four years, and I think you'll find

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the conversation interesting. This is obviously part one, and part

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two will be next week. All Right, excited to talk

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to the next two gentlemen on the Sports Card Nation

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guests line. They are alumnus of this show already, but

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it's been four years since they've been on. I figured

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it's about time to catch up, uh, And so without

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further ado, back again, Zach and porter Burn.

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Welcome, gentlemen, John.

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Thank you, thank you. It's good to be back. Yeah,

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four years that just flew by. Huh.

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Yeah, it's crazy. When I looked at that, Zach, Zach

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has seen that. I'm like, it doesn't feel like it like,

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it doesn't it doesn't at the same time, if that

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makes any sense, And like, I'm like, I gotta catch up.

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You know, you're not gonna find two nicer folks in

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the hobby. They sort of you guys sort of epitomize

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what I love about the hobby.

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So I figured four years way too long. Let's bring

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you back. Porter.

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Porter is now older than me since I stopped count

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and birthdays. But I'm kidding, but Porter, like, what what

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great are you now? And how old are you since

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the last we spoke at least on the airway?

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Yeah, so I'm gonna be turning thirteen.

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Well I actually by the.

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Time this would drop, I did thirteen, and next school

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year I will be going into eighth grade.

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Yeah, middle schooler, yeah one, and then and then the

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big high school. Yeah coming up.

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Man, time flies. We must be having we must be

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having fun. So let's start off there. Like I said,

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it's been four years since you guys have been on.

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You guys are still active in the hobby. I'm still

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do hanging on by a tread, you know. For you guys,

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what's what's happened the last four years?

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Uh? You know a synopsis since the last time you've

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been on.

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Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The last time we were on,

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I think you you were having us as a father

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son collectors. You know myself, I got back into it

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during COVID. Right. We lasted this in twenty twenty two

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and our buddy Bo Thompson over one million cups. You know,

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he joked there were a lot of people that came

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in during that boom, and I said at the beginning

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of last podcast, I said, you know, we're here to stay,

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and it was true, right, you know, four years later,

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we still collect very similarly to when we first got in.

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We're low budget collectors. We love this hobby community. In fact,

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you know, one of the one of the ways that

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we got to learn a lot about the hobby because

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when you take thirty years off from collecting and then

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you got a young man who's coming into the hobby,

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it could be intimidating, you know. I think we've talked

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about that, right.

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List said that it could be intimidating for adults.

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Yeah, and you know and kids arelike so yeah, no,

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I get that, but yeah, go ahead.

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Well, and so listening to the sports cardination, you know,

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leaning on other people that were in the hobby, you know,

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we really started to get collecting. Porter was first and

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then I jumped in a little bit later. But we

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we just absolutely have you know, we've made more friends,

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but we still kind of collect the same and we

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we have the same I would just say positive outlook

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on you know, I don't care what your budget is,

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how old you are, you can find a way to

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hobby in this uh, in this great community.

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Yeah. So yeah, so what's changed? I feel like my

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collection Obviously it's grown a bit. I've expanded my likings

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and collecting habits at shows that started dipping into the

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more quality than quantity stage a little bit. But I'm

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still usually just going through bargain boxes and finding out

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nice singles that I would like to have. We have

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since move house and this is our.

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New card room. Yeah, this is exciting, John. This is

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actually great timing because we we actually turned off. We

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trade a lot on TCDB Trading card database. If you're new,

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if you're new to collecting, highly recommend it just for

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the checklist, but also the ability to trade and learn

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about all the cards that you didn't know existed. But

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we we took a little bit of a hiatus from

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that because a lot of our collection was in boxes

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because we had this longer move delay, And where we

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are right now is in our new card room, and

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we it's like we got a shot in the arm.

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We're running back into the hobby full steam. We were

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still picking up cards, but just not doing as many trades.

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You know, we dropped usually about two three videos a

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week on our YouTube channel, and we you know, took

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a couple of weeks off and we're just excited to

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be back. So this was perfect timing for us to

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kind of say, like, yep, let's timestamp twenty twenty two

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when we first talked, and here we are in twenty

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twenty six, ready to go.

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Yeah, So did you not to be nosy? And you

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don't have to, you know, you can be as vague

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as you want to. Are you in a different city

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or same city? Just different how?

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Good question? No, same city, just closer to where Porter

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goes to school. And we we had the opportunity to

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move to a place a little bit geographically where we

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wanted to be. I can break this fourth wall down

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our old house, we never had a trigger treater. We

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were very, very rural, you know it was it was

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a long gravel road and then you got to a

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fifty five mile on our highway. We wanted to give

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Porter the opportunity to hop on a bike. There's not

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a card shop within biking distance, but you know, be

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able to ride downtown see friends in the neighborhood. So

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that way he could have that really rural life and

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then a little bit of a you know, kind of

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a city life. So I mean, it's the best of

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both worlds for him. He doesn't have to lose any friends.

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He's not changing schools, but he gets to so it's

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it's painless for him.

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Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask, like you, you know,

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as some as a kid that had to change school

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a few times, that's always daunting for young individuals. So

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it's good to hear Porter you didn't have to make

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new friends. That's I mean, you can always make new

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friends in school, yeah, but you didn't have to make

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all new friends at a different school where you didn't

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know anybody that could always be tricky and and nerve

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wracking time of someone like I said, who's done it

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a few times, But.

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Now now you're in a speak of trigger treaters, Zach.

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I'm the opposite reason. I don't get trigger treaters at

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my house either, but for the opposite reason. I live

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on a very busy like Maine. I don't want to

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say highway, but it's a main thoroughfare and so it's

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a busy street and it's actually I'm in the suburb

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of Syracuse, and so this road basically connects I'm in Liverpool,

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New York. This road basically connects the suburb of Liverpool

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to Syracuse.

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So there's very.

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High traffic, and so we don't and we live literally

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on the street, so there's there's like ten feet a

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lawn and then the road, and so not very safe

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for people, the trick kids, the trick or treat So

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I've been here I think almost twenty years now. My

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son was six when we moved here and he's twenty six.

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So we've been there twenty years. And I think we've

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gotten two trick or treaters in twenty years, and not

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in the same year. So eighteen years of zero and

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then a couple of odd years and it's funny, we

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didn't even have we had we didn't have candy Earmark

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for Halloween, but we scrounged up some stuff we had

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in there. But uh, you know, we we we weren't

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even expecting the one.

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We never get them. So that'll tell you.

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I live on I'm sort of the opposite where I

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live on too busy the street. Now, we have something

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called the Nationals here guys, and that's like a not

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a card show, but a car show with like hot

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rods and old antique cars and this. For that show,

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this road is like a main thoroughfare and they go

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ripping up the road and doing burnouts and and I'm

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not a car guy other than it's got to get

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me to point A to point B.

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So that's not my favorite week. It's not a whole week.

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It's not my favorite four days usually Thursday through Sunday.

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Sometimes it's even hard to get into my own driveway

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just with all the traffic. So yeah, it's crazy. I

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remember funny story. I remember one year the National, the

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card National Sports Card National was the same week that

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the National they called the card the cars that chowed

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us here.

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The Nationals interesting plural.

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So the sports car national was in Chicago one year

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the same week that the Car Nationals were here locally

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in Syracuse, and so I got to go to that

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and avoid the Car Nationals and the headache that that

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presents to us. And my wife's like, yeah, thanks for

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leaving me to myself during during national weeks here here.

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So funny story, but not a fun time unless you're

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in the cars. And people will sit up along and

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down the street, guys in lawn chairs. It's a big

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spectacle and it's it's crazy. It's not my thing, but

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some people enjoy that. Nothing wrong with that, just like

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we and joy sports cards. And some people, you know,

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the car folks will probably think we're crazy.

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So I guess, you know, to each their own as

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they say.

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Well, it's funny. We're in Racine, Wisconsin. And in fact,

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one of the things that my wife liked about the

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new house was we have a little free library, and

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so we're a house of readers. My wife's big into books,

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we're big in the you know, cards. So just just

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a couple of days ago we got permission. I said,

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you know what would be really cool is if we

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put little packs of cards in there, like so we

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not only are there the books, but you know, we

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always see kids out there, you know, maybe some you know,

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fifteen twenty cards a little you know packs, and that'll

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be kind of fun way for us to kind of

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share not just the free books but also some cards.

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Maybe we can get some more kids interested in collecting.

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And you never know what'll spark that book.

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Yeah, I love that. That's a great idea.

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And right it's not going to hurt anybody, they don't

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want it, to take it if they pique their interest,

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and you know it's in ever know where those random

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active kindness goes, right, You never know who receives them,

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what it leads to. And it may seem like a

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simple thing, but it can. It's like a ripple, right

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enough for a little small ripples turned into a bigger one.

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And so love to hear that piggy, you know, going

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into that for you know, you portered, you know, you

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obviously collect with your fellow classmates. Are kids in your school?

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Is that a big thing? Is it a lot of Pokemon?

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Is it?

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Pokemon is a fifty to fifty How would you have

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the kids that you go to school with you know,

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how would you describe them as are they collectors sports

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Pokemon both?

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You know?

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How would you?

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Yeah? So I feel like I'm in a minority group

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at school when it comes to collecting sports cards per se.

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I mean, there are a couple kids in Migrade who

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collect sports cards, but I don't really see anybody else

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at my school who does. But Pokemon, I would say,

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is bigger. A couple of my friends called Pokemon and it.

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I just feel like that would be more popular than

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sports cards in a school standpoint.

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Yeah, I would definitely say. It feels like you go

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to a kid's birthday, partner or something, maybe they get

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something Pokemon related more times than not. That what they

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get versus the sports cards. Even the kids that aren't

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deep into Pokemon, it feels like they have an idea

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of what it's about and they clearly know about it.

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I think, you know, certainly, with Pokemon, you're going to

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track boys and girls, where I think with sports cards,

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you know, right, wrong or indifferent, It seems like it

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does track more of the young men. And you know,

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we see that it shows too. You know, there are

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some shows that are just Pokemon, some of their sports cards.

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Our buddy runs the you know, the Madison Pokemon Show,

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and it's it's got a much diverse, much more inclusive environment,

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I think for both boys and girls, where you know,

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sports cards. If you're not into sports, or maybe you

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don't have a dad or a brother or somebody to

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get into it, you know, it might just be some

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of the young men.

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Do you feel like Pokemon, Well, let's let's start with this.

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Pokemon's really blown up. I don't know anything about it,

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you know, I know I'm a show dealer. I've had

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people say, God, it's a money maker, you should carry.

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I don't like carry. This is only I'm only speaking

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for myself here. I don't like carrying something that I

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can't I don't have a passion for, or not knowledgeable,

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not like if I ever did it, it would strictly

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be a money grab. And that's not my style.

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At fifty three years old, you know, you don't change

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your style too much. Maybe a little bit here and there,

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but so it's not my thing. You know. If I

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joked at maybe if I ever opened.

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The store again, which I don't have plans to, but

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if I ever happened to do that, I'd have someone

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kind of come in and stock thatt or run that

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kind of section for the store. But you know, I

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you know, again speaking for me, I'm a sports guy,

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so I'm watching sports.

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I'm attending live sporting events, right.

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I like, you know, when that production on the field, right,

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that performance on the field translates to the hobby, you know,

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And I know we again we shouldn't hobby just for

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dollar signs, right, but that is a factor, right when

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we pull something. You know, most of the first question

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here is like what's that worth or what's that going?

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So it's it's part of the hobby, like it enough,

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And I always joke with, you know, with folks in

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a playful sort of way. I'm like, how many home

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runs that Charis are hit last night?

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Right?

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Yeah, So that's you know, that's my take. But it,

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like you said, it's a huge thing. And I think

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that's a great point you made too, Zach is maybe

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there is more where it's open to females than the

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sports card hobby, although I will say we've seen a

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lot of strides even on that side of the ALU

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as well.

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But maybe it's more of an easier entry way, if

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you will.

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Yeah, I think too. You know, the positive side could

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be I don't. And again, you know, you talked about

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how an athlete's performance can really bring in a fan.

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You know, last season the Bears did really really well,

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and so it was it was easier to collect sometimes

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harder to find those Caleb Williams cards where you know,

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it wasn't hard to find a a you know, Trubisky card.

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But uh, maybe on the Pokemon side, you don't have

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as much I don't want to say flipping, but that

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impulse by you know, if somebody has a four home

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run game, all of a sudden, their cards are worth

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twenty five thirty dollars more than they normally would be.

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I don't, I don't. I don't think Pokemon would have

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that outside of like new releases. You know something's new,

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it's going to be popular. But I bet you don't

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see that. What are we going to say, maybe like

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forecasting or prospecting that you do with sports cards, where

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it's it's an even if an athlete passes away. Also

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it's like, you know, the price of the cards go up,

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and so it can be very interesting. Fact right now,

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I'm a comedy right if we wanted to find a

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base for a comedy card as White Sox fans. Uh,

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it's it's a little bit more than we're used to.

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Yeah, it's it's it's crazy.

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Someone's at my door. I've got to get that be

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So well.

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I'll ask you this porter. You said, like Pokemon is

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fairly popular in your school?

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Is it? Do you do it? Is it something you

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thought about or it's just not your thing.

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I've had family who's done it, Like my cousin, he

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does Pokemon a little bit. I think it's fallen off

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for him though as he's gotten older. But I've never

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really had thought in doing it. I mean sometimes I

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just if somebody collects Pokemon, I'll definitely have a look

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at their collection if they offer that to me, because

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it's it's interesting to see what other people are collecting.

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But yeah, I've not really had an itch, if you will,

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to collect Pokemon at all.

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Yeah, even if we've gone to a show and there's

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Pokemon dealers or cards. Yeah, it's not Ron, do you.

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I think because Porter started really loving sports in the

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history of baseball, like Jackie Robinson, you know, looking back

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at all these old bear football games, and I think

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that that is part of what drives you to collect.

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There's just not that for Pokemon. You know, you can't

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go back and you know feel those moments you had

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watching that player. But yeah, it is. It is interesting

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when you see a Pokemon collector and a sports card collector,

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they're like talking at each other, like they're really excited

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with what they have, especially if it's you know, at

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a party or something and they're they're speaking a different language,

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but the collecting gene is there, so there's that commonality.

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Yeah.

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I'm always mindful to be like whether Pokemon, which it's

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not my thing, I'm still respectful the fact that it

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is right, just like sports cards may not be their thing.

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What we're dealing with here. I'm sure it's happening in

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other places other than Syracuse. Is like some of the shows,

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it's kind of fifty to fifty sports card dealers to

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Pokemon dealers, and you know, the collectors are kind of

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complaining because they're saying, you know, half the shows not

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for me, and that's on both. So we're starting to

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see more what they call Pokefest here, which it's a

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show that's all geared towards Pokemon and Pokemon collectors and

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maybe a little comic books, but you won't see sports

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cards there. But we haven't really done that exclusively on

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the sports card side, and so some people are complaining, like, hey,

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if the Pokemon folks can have their own show, why

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can't we do that it's sports cards, and it's starting,

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you know, it's starting to a car I know one

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dealer who is he isn't doing it necessarily like make

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it one hundred percent sports cards, but because of the

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Pokefest shows, he's trying to like limit how.

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Many Pokemon dealers are there.

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So it's not so those who do collect sports cards,

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you know, they don't feel like it's a wasted trip

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or it's only half a show in a sense, so we're.

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Seeing that little bit.

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I think both parties get along, but there's some I

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don't know if resentments the right word, but there's it's

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it's getting a little competitive as far as hey, I

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want to come to the show and see more of

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what I want to trade or purchase, rather than have

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half the show be where I have to walk by

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a table because it's not not for me, right a

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Pokemon person is going to walk by my table, guys,

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and a sports card guy is gonna walk by a

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Pokemon dealer table.

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Maybe stop.

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I mean, so it's it's hard because you want to

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you know, you don't want to. You know, the hobby

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shouldn't be an exclusionary, but it is in a way.

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It's two different hobbies. So it's such a fine line,

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right that you don't you don't you don't want to

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talk out of both sides of your mouth. In other words,

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you don't want to say, hey, the hobbies for everyone,

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whatever you collect and then start alienating one side over

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over the other potentially, And it's tough, but go ahead, yeah, no, it.

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That you say that because we're in a couple of

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group traps with people that you know, run shows or

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they attend their vintage collectors, so they, you know, a

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vintage collectors feel about modern product. And you know, it's funny.

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I never go to a show expecting that every table

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is going to have something for porter and myself. I mean,

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when I go to a show, you know, we usually

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look for bargain boxes, dime boxes, you know, dollar boxes, but.

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I sometimes look for like memorabilia tables, yeah, get some

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cheap items, yeah, you know, and so I don't expect

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all the tables to be for us, you know.

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In fact, sometimes we go to a show there may

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only be five or six dealers that actually have bargain

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boxes or stuff that would be in kind of our

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budget range. And I don't have any ill will against

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you know, the high end collectors. You know, sometimes it's

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cool to look at probably the same thing with the Pokemon.

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You go in there and you see it, it may not

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be for you. In fact, we've changed a little bit

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of the card shows we go to. We used to

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always go to one show every single month. It was

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a monthly show, and we just kind of noticed that

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it not that it was getting to be a little

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bit more Pokemon, but it was becoming really really new

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product and it just kind of felt like the same

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stuff over and over. So we've found a smaller show

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that's actually closer to where we live. It's maybe about

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fifty tables, but I would say, well, it's all sports

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cards and well there are a few point yeah maybe, yeah,

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you're right, there are a feview but it's like ninety

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ten and I would say every table probably has a

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good variety of bargain box stuff to wax to higher

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end stuff and even vint it. And it's a slower

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pace show. I think that's a big change since the

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last time we talked. We really liked going to, you know,

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some of the larger shows in the Wisconsin area, and

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now as we've hobbied for a little bit, some of

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that's the slower pace. Clearly we still love the National

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but I don't know, it just feels like we can

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have a little bit more time and feel a little

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bit more relaxed instead that go go go show.

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Yeah, I get that, I hear you, and you know,

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in the Nationale, like I phrased it as the super

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Bowl of the hobby, right, it's five days and so

474
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we ramp up for it. But you know, if there

475
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:10.599
was fifteen Nationals a year, I still probably only go

476
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.640
for the one right, or the four or five days right.

477
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.440
And then you know, sort of the bloom when you

478
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.880
do anything too much right, the bloom comes off the roads.

479
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.880
As they say, you don't appreciate. You almost take it

480
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.839
for granted. You know, when I heard there was a

481
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.279
rumor guys that they wanted to do two Nationals a year,

482
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.480
and I'm like, no, I know people will attend it.

483
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:35.240
I'm not arguing the financial aspect of it, but we

484
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.160
don't need to, right. We have enough other shows and

485
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.759
regional shows and Burdbank and Madison and more close to you.

486
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:47.599
And we got a you know, the Culture Collision in

487
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.720
the South of Dallas card show. We've got a lot

488
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:54.559
of other big shows, East Coast National and White Planes

489
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.880
and now you know, I know they're sort of different animals,

490
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.680
but they have enough similarities to put them in the

491
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.119
same basket. You get the Fanatics Fest on now as well.

492
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.359
So I think there's enough big shows that we don't

493
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.200
need two Nationals. And I think if they ever did it,

494
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.519
I think they would it would it would hurt each

495
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.759
each show. I think they would hurt both Nationals, and

496
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:19.920
and the only way I would support two Nationals. I'll

497
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.680
get your guys' take on this if one, you know,

498
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.440
if they're both, and I know it's in your backyard,

499
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.319
so to speak, but I get the one in National

500
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:32.680
in Chicago or Chicago, and Chicago's kind of become everyone's

501
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.599
favorite venue and place and sort of you know, right

502
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.759
in the middle of the United States, so it's it's

503
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:43.000
sort of fair to everybody. But if they ever went

504
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:46.200
to to I would say they both can't be in Chicago,

505
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.720
and the other one should be on the East or

506
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:53.240
West coast and it should alternate. So in other words,

507
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.319
if you do with two Nationals is a year one's

508
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.359
always in Chicago, one on the East coast, and the

509
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.599
following year one always in Chicago and the other on

510
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.640
the West coast, and then alternate. And that I still

511
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:10.000
don't really want to Nationals, but I'm more not that

512
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.400
they're asking me for my two cents. But I could

513
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.400
sign off on that before I just say just two

514
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.559
Nationals wherever or both in Chicago.

515
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:20.759
What do you what do you guys think?

516
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:23.279
And that's you know, I know that's a lot closer

517
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:25.680
for you than for me with Chicago.

518
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.160
So sort of like you, I would be posed to

519
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.319
two Nationals a year, but I would be fine to

520
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.519
do like the alternating cities or states or whatever that

521
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.640
I think would get a little bit more variety of

522
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.160
visitors because not everybody can come.

523
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.599
To the National. Yeah, year, we're fortune John. As you mentioned,

524
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.359
we're about sixty minutes away from the National in Chicago.

525
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.480
So the first year we went, which I think would

526
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.079
have been four years ago, now you know, we went

527
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.519
one day. Just no, everyone said that's not going to

528
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.200
be enough time because it is a five day show.

529
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.119
And then last year we went two days and it

530
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.960
was fantastic. Yeah, but we can drive there and drive home.

531
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.599
You know, if it was even when it was in Cleveland,

532
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:11.880
we wouldn't have gone. But that's just not really how

533
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.359
we collect It's out a convenience being so close here.

534
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.720
But I agree with you. I like having the main

535
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.119
one in Chicago, but you know, you kind of go

536
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.720
where the dealers are and the collectors are. From what

537
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.920
I've heard, a lot more dealers are on the East Coast,

538
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.000
so it tends to have a little bit more of

539
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.599
an East Coast bias and then maybe you do have something,

540
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.519
you know that helps some of the folks out on

541
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.279
the West Coast. I don't know if it's in Vegas

542
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:38.960
or Denver, but you know, it takes a while to

543
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.559
build up some of those things. But at the end

544
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.039
of the day, dollars and cents usually speak loudest and

545
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:47.079
if they can pack an arena, and the dealers see

546
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.559
the benefit because they got to see that there's a

547
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.279
lot of people coming to this, I'm sure. And we

548
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.799
met some dealers, I mean their whole year. What is

549
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:58.160
at the Singles Club? I mean that's their show, and

550
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.240
you know they wait all and so if you're a dealer,

551
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.440
can you do two or three of those Super Bowl

552
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.559
type shows? And it's kind of that quality versus quantity.

553
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.599
You know, everybody's gonna be there for five days and

554
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.680
you can maximize it and it gets all the athletes

555
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.680
there and the celebrities and the autographs. We met Dwight

556
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:21.079
Gooden in the in the parking garage last year, so

557
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.680
that was really cool for me. I know, you was

558
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.400
a metsage like it was. I recognize it right away

559
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.960
and it was like no way, you know, so you

560
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.240
know you're gonna be splitting all that stuff up as well,

561
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.480
So I mean, sure, if they need to do something regionally,

562
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:35.799
but I think you have the one main one in Chicago,

563
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:37.720
and selfishly we would.

564
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.359
Like yeah, And I don't have a problem to Chicago

565
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.559
one now. Full disclosure, it does cost me a little

566
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.279
more because it's fourteen hours to drive, so it's not

567
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:50.880
really driverable, so I'm gonna need round trip airfare. Then

568
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.920
I usually run a car, so it's a show that

569
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.119
cost me a little more too to get to.

570
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:57.359
But I get it.

571
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.960
It's centrally located. It's sort of fair for both sides

572
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.319
of the coast. You're right, Zach there, you know, I

573
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.519
don't there's really no statistics to bear it out, but

574
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.839
I don't think too many people will argue that there's

575
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.400
probably more dealers on the East coast percentage wise on

576
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.480
the West coast. But I liked I liked the fact

577
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.759
that it's in sports city, so, you know, a city

578
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.160
on the West coast. I love think could maybe hold

579
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.279
a national It's never done it before to my knowledge.

580
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.079
I'm pretty certain of that. The Seattle you know, Seattle

581
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.960
now has a hockey team. They obviously have a baseball

582
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.880
team with some some history with some great players coming

583
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:43.119
through there as well. They had basketball during the Supersonic stays.

584
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:43.680
And but.

585
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.079
Yeah, I love to see now, you know, I would

586
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:51.119
try to go. It's gonna be probably a little more

587
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.160
costly being a little further. But if it's not an

588
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.000
every year thing, right, I'm on the like save up

589
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.039
during the year to make, you know, to make it

590
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.319
out there. So and I think that would be fair

591
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.400
for those collectors on the West coast. Maybe a little

592
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.599
bit closer, guys, you know, and you gotta be fair.

593
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.640
I can say, yeah, have it in in Atlantic City,

594
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.480
which I don't think they're ever gonna get again. But

595
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.400
I like the Atlantic City show guys, for the pure

596
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.240
bias that I could drive there, yeah, and and bring

597
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.559
more stuff and that my own vehicle, and you know,

598
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.559
don't have to be at the mercy of an airline

599
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.759
when I can leave and and when I have to

600
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.839
so so you know, but you got you know, if

601
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.240
you're gonna be fair, right, you gotta think about both coasts.

602
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.279
And then Chicago sort of splits the difference in the middle.

603
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.880
So if they ever went the two nationals, I know

604
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.960
I have already said this, but if they alternate the

605
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.599
coastlines with the second one, if you will, and keep

606
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:54.200
the other one central. I'd more have to sign off

607
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.920
on that than just two kind of close to each other,

608
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:02.640
just at two different times. So, so, guys, you know

609
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.960
you talked about going to shows. When you go to

610
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.400
your show, do you do? You do? You go in

611
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.960
with a list of what you're looking for, like what's

612
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.400
the plan of attack? Or you just kind of you

613
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.319
know what you like?

614
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.119
Something hit you. I know bargain boxes are a big

615
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.680
thing too. I like them as well.

616
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.680
Kind of what's your approach when you when you walk

617
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.680
into the showroom.

618
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.480
I sort of have a list when I go to shows,

619
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.039
Like if I'm trying to finish a set, I'll usually

620
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.680
try and find and just chip away some at that set.

621
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.799
And then, like you said as well, sometimes I just

622
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.000
don't have a list and I know what I like

623
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:50.359
and I'm just finding what I'm finding, and that, to me,

624
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:55.799
usually that usually turns out the best cause then I

625
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.079
can open my horizon and get other things that I

626
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.880
probably wouldn't have expected to get if I had a

627
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.200
list of what I was getting in mind. So yeah,

628
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:07.799
that's that's that's my time.

629
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.240
Yeah, so you he Porter tries to collect the Tops

630
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.559
flagship set every year. Usually he'll get a little wax

631
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.720
at first, and this is my proud dad moment. He

632
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.400
was trying to collect these sets just from ripping wax,

633
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.359
and he quickly learned that the budget doesn't necessarily always

634
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.519
get you there. So between trading on trading card database

635
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.480
and then really you know, going in and finding somebody's

636
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:35.640
you know, ten six Tops cards and whether it's TCDB

637
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.119
on my cell phone or we'll print off a list

638
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.640
on before we go, he can kind of check things

639
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.599
off what my list is actually in Porter's head because

640
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.240
he is so good at remembering what cards we have.

641
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.240
So if I go to a show, normally I look for,

642
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.559
you know, Frank Thomas, Carlton Fitz cards. When when I

643
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.079
first got back in the hobby, our big project was

644
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.960
getting all the base cards for Frank Carlton, is Po Jackson.

645
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.680
A lot of the cards that I had missed, we

646
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.160
got caught up on that. So now it's a lot

647
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.119
of newer product with maybe some of the older players,

648
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.480
and I'll usually just be like, hey, Porter, do we

649
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.760
have this, and he'll look at it, and nine times

650
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.119
out of ten I'll say yeah, no, and usually ninety

651
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.079
nine percent of the time he's right. What it is

652
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.400
an interesting thing that I started doing, and it kind

653
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.440
of started with the nineteen eighty five Bears, so a

654
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.920
few years ago, I don't know if we were doing

655
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.519
this project when we last talked to you. We wanted

656
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.320
to get the rookie card for every prominent player on

657
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.559
the nineteen eighty five Bears, minus one. We knew we

658
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.880
were not going to get Walter Payton's rookie card, but

659
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.840
we did go through and get everybody else. In fact,

660
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:45.519
we put it in a cool frame. It's right right

661
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.320
over there, but it's packed up so through the move

662
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.639
and then that what that kind of did was started

663
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.199
this project of really looking at rookie cards for kind

664
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.960
of my era, you know, like you're Eric Davis, your

665
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.880
Greg Maddox, your your guys like like that. And so

666
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:03.280
we had a lot of fun either through trades or

667
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.719
going to shows and picking those out. And then we've

668
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.440
sort of continue to progress, like sometimes you find a

669
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.639
box of cards and there's Joe Thomas rookie cards in there,

670
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.400
or Eric Barry, you know, football players of May. Obviously

671
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:16.760
Joe Thomas is in the Hall of Fame, but a

672
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.559
lot of guys that aren't going to get there, but

673
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.920
it's cool to get the rookie card. And so then

674
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:25.880
now we have boxes specifically for rookie cards alphabetically through

675
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.039
the sports And that's been a really fun project for

676
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:30.719
us when we're when we're going out there because a

677
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.880
lot of it's inexpensive bass cards, uh and but they

678
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.440
mean a lot to us. And so it's pretty cool

679
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.199
to find those. And then some of the other cool

680
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.320
things you've been doing. Let's see the Tommy John and

681
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:40.880
Ray Guy.

682
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:47.000
Tommy So I've been I collect sort of obscure players,

683
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.440
if you will, players that normally people wouldn't collect at all.

684
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.679
So like now that we're fully moved, I'm gonna try

685
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.280
and get a Tommy John, Rey Guy and Jan Stenerud,

686
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.679
two of those those guys are special teamers. They're tops

687
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.599
from and Jim Abbott if I don't already have it,

688
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:06.760
which I probably.

689
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.880
Yeah, yeah, listen that those aren't bad guys in their

690
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.039
own right, right, Ray guys in the Hall of Fame,

691
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.039
arguably the best punter to ever do it. Tommy John

692
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.679
is one of those guys. He's on that bubble you

693
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.760
can make. You know, people can make an argument for him,

694
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.199
guys and against him, and some people say, just because

695
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.039
he has the surgery named after.

696
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:34.079
Me, almost should be alone on that.

697
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.599
And uh, you know, no one will argue that he

698
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.840
was a very very good picture, excellent picture. And if

699
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.599
he ever does get in, I don't think there'll be

700
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.519
a lot of people you know that up in art,

701
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:48.840
you know. I mean people might say, ah, man, that

702
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.440
lowers the bar a little bit, but I believe I

703
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.840
don't have it in front of me. He's not that

704
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.880
far from three hundred wins, and I don't know if

705
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.199
we're gonna see another three hundred game winner the way

706
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.960
pitchers are used today, as you guys probably well know.

707
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.559
So I wouldn't really argue against him, And so that's

708
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.880
I'm not you know, there's a potential someday we're talking

709
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.360
about Tommy John Hall of Famer. But even without that,

710
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.000
he's still not a bad guy to collect. Obviously, his

711
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.559
cards are are very affordable and again, great guy. You know,

712
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.800
no one's crashing the turnstiles and by punter cards, but

713
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.480
if they were, he'd be number one on the list

714
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.400
because he's the greatest punter of all time, so you know,

715
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:41.480
and Jim Abbott just an inspirational player in person. And

716
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.679
he's still if you look into what he's still doing.

717
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.559
He's still working in baseball and some facets, and I

718
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:53.639
know he does speaking engagements and tells the young folks

719
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.880
like don't let anything tell you know or that you

720
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.960
can't And he's the perfect example of someone can say that,

721
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.239
and he's got the the the goods to back it up,

722
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.800
as he was an All American in high school, he

723
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.920
was an All American in college and a heck of

724
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:13.920
a pitcher in the big leagues. And that's missing the

725
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.519
hand where you'd have to switch the glove after releasing

726
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.320
the ball. So you know, I can't even I couldn't

727
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.440
do that with two two hands, and he's doing it

728
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:30.360
with one. So you know, just again three three great guys,

729
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.119
and I think that shows porter to me, It shows

730
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.360
that you think about stuff like that like why him

731
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.840
and and why them? And that's that's that's always important.

732
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.320
And uh, you know it's easy to collect, you know,

733
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.239
Ronald Lacuna Junior or guys like that that are you know,

734
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:50.920
big name players.

735
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.239
You know, even Mike Trout as he's on the back nine.

736
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:58.039
But to look at those guys a little less prominent,

737
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.159
but still have story. He's still very important to the

738
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:05.880
fabrics of their sport. Right, you can't really tell the

739
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.480
story of football without great guy and the story of

740
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.679
baseball without Tommy John and Jim Abbott, And so.

741
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.559
Regardless of the hof after.

742
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.400
Their name or not, right, they're they're very important people

743
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.000
and still relevant in the game.

744
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.639
Like I said, Jim Abbot still involved in baseball.

745
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.719
Tommy John, you know, I know, coached a little bit

746
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.159
after his career was over, and we talk about Tommy

747
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.800
John all the time. Maybe not in the way he'd like,

748
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.480
but when a picture needs that surgery, right, he was

749
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.360
one of the first to get that revolution. There was

750
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.079
surgery at the time, which now is like getting your

751
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:48.440
appendix out.

752
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.119
For most pictures, you have to have it.

753
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.519
Yeah, it's almost it's a rarity when a pitcher doesn't

754
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:54.880
have it.

755
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.280
You had said something where it tells the story of

756
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.000
the game. It kind of reminds me a good friend

757
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.280
of ours, Greg Clark, who does a lot of collecting.

758
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.039
We got him a Mitched Trubisky autograph rookie card and

759
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.760
and he said, I've wanted one of these, I need

760
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.559
one for my collection. And because he said, it's part

761
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.840
of the Bears history. You can't tell the history of

762
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.360
the Chicago Bears, good or bad without that moment in time.

763
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.400
And so he wanted to have one, and we were

764
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.480
glad we were able to get one for his birthday.

765
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.159
But uh, it really made you think, Yeah, when you

766
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:29.480
collect some of these players, even if they are prospects

767
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:33.039
that don't turn out, which as White Sox fans, we've

768
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.559
seen a lot of that over the last handful of years,

769
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.960
there's still those memories, you know, it tells that story

770
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:41.239
of that, you know, that time frame of when when

771
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.480
you're a fan. And yeah, so it's it's funny that

772
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.280
you mentioned that because we look at it the same way.

773
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:47.960
It's it's all part of that story.

774
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.920
I think it's important and and I'm glad you're sort

775
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.960
of keeping I don't know if it's i'll call it

776
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.840
a tradition, but keeping that aspect of the hobby alive.

777
00:40:58.360 --> 00:40:59.639
And and others do it too.

778
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.719
But I think we need to see more of that,

779
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.480
like just you know, collect what you like and not

780
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.800
always and for a reason and for a purpose, not

781
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.000
always just dollars and cents and I get that again,

782
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:13.840
I get that part of it. You know, I can't

783
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.559
say that as a dealer, I'd be hypocritical. But it's

784
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.440
got more. It's gotta be more than that. I have

785
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.159
people come up to my table and we'll ask for

786
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.079
certain players that I'm probably not gonna have out in

787
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.400
the showcase, but they might be in one of my

788
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.679
boxes that I can pull out and you know, sell

789
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:32.079
it or.

790
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.039
Give it to them in many cases, and that sort

791
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:35.320
of thing.

792
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.400
So I think it's it's important because you know, yeah,

793
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.280
it's easy to collect the big names, right, but that

794
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.679
doesn't tell the whole picture. Those are the big chapters,

795
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.039
but all the rest of the chapters are filled in

796
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:49.000
by all.

797
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.880
Those other guys. And especially when you collect a team,

798
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.599
like if you you know, you mentioned your friend Greg

799
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:55.119
Clark with.

800
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.280
The Bears, right that whatever you want to say about

801
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:02.639
Mitch Trubisky, right, he's part of the Bears history. After

802
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.400
someone writes a book about the Bears, that draft and

803
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:07.159
that pick.

804
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.239
Is going to be mentioned.

805
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.880
And he wasn't you know, all his years there weren't

806
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.079
bad ones. So there's there's you know, people forget about that.

807
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.480
So I get it.

808
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.960
I love to see it, and kudos to you guys

809
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:26.280
for taking that angle. Awesome catching back up with Zach

810
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.760
and Porter, and I tell you what you know four

811
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.679
years ago, Porter sounds like a you know, well he is.

812
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:36.440
He's four years older. He's a teenager now and just

813
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.599
just a very smart kid and being raised right. Kudo

814
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.280
to Zach and Mom you know there, and you know

815
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.320
that you know we talk about the future of the hobby, right,

816
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.599
I was that seven year old kid way back when

817
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:56.239
in nineteen seventy nine, right, And I say it all

818
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:00.679
the time. We need that next generation to carry torch

819
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.880
and baton forward, right, do things the right way, and

820
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.960
make the hobby continue to be strong and and maybe

821
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.800
even get better. Right, There's always room for improvements. So

822
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.880
Zach and Porter, you won't uh be hard pressed to

823
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:24.159
find two better hobby individuals who embrace community. Community embraces them.

824
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:26.639
And here's the good news. That was just part one.

825
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:31.079
So we'll be back more next week with Zach and

826
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:35.280
Porter again. So hope you hope you enjoyed today and

827
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.840
looking forward to that next week as well. So we're

828
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:41.880
gonna hear from our hobby is the people announcer of

829
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:47.119
the week. And then wrap up this week's episode.

830
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.000
Time for all. Hobby is the People Announcer of the Week.

831
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.079
This is David Kepple. Remember the hobby is the people.

832
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.880
If you'd like to be easy, Hobby is the People

833
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.440
Announcer of the Week. To one or MP three file

834
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:10.639
and send it to Sportscardination PC at gmail dot com.

835
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:12.719
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