June 12, 2026

Zack and Porter are back! E392

Zack and Porter are back! E392
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Sports Guard Nations hobby is the people weely news and interviews.

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It's you on number one song. Sports Garnations hobby is

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What is up, everybody? Welcome to episode three ninety two.

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We are as always glad to be back. Let's thank

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implement some standards and you know, help the hobby be

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as best as it can be. So check them out.

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The commercial is going to run here at the midpoint.

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Check their website out and a lot of things they

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are doing. We talked about a little bit on this

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past Hobby Hotline about their graded card registry where you

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can kind of reference cards to whether they're stolen or

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something fishy about them. So to protect a hobby, and

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I will always align myself with anything that is for

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the good of this hobby that I've been involved in

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now for forty plus years, starting with as a seven

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year old kid. So happy to have him a board.

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Look for Nick Jarmin their founder and CEO on a

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future episode down behind here soon. So with that being said,

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let's get the show underway. We have father and son,

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Zach and Porter burn the conclusion of our two part

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series with Zach and Porter and uh, there's been four

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years since we had him on the last time and

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so did some catching up. Two great hobbyists at doing

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good things. So they are back for our conclusion of

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our conversation. So with that being said, let's uh, let's

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uh get the show going. Oh ask Port of this, Zach,

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but again you can jump into because you're you're right

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there with him.

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You know.

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One of the complaints I hear and it's legitimate and

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it's got you know, is man the price of the

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hobby new waxes. Somebody's boxers are coming out at four

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figure level. You know, if I'm a kid, I can't

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afford that. And I don't disagree with that. You can't

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disagree with that. The proof is in the pudding. And

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you know, I guess you know, one of the nice

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things about being old. There's not a ton of them.

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But I grew up in an era of collecting where

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you know, packs were quartered, there was no super premium

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there was no chrome. I didn't have to you know,

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sell something expensive to buy some packs or even a box.

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You could buy a box for.

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You know, twelve bucks, fourteen bucks, sometimes less, and you know,

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I feel like those days are gone.

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I sort of feel like Tops and the.

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Other companies that are going to be producing products still

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need to make some products that you know, kids, there's

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not more fun than opening.

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Pack of cards.

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Right.

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No one will argue that, including myself, but it's getting

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harder to do that. That's where I'm kind of going.

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And so I think, I you know, I know TAPS

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does like the Big League and some of the geared

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to kids. I'd like to see, maybe even do a

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little bit more. But my question for Porter here is

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I went off on a little soapbox there. Well, my

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question to Porter is as a kid, I know you're

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a teenager now it's crazy, but you know, what do

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you say to a kid or yourself that maybe he's discouraged, like, Hey,

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I don't know if I want to stay in this hobby.

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I'm getting priced out. You know, what's your advice either

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to yourself or someone a fellow friend or someone that says, hey, man,

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i'd like to share this hobby with you, but I

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can't even open a box of cards any.

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Yeah, I would agree with you.

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The price of the hobby is getting pretty expensive, and

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as the years.

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Progress, it'll probably get more expensive.

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Or less expensive, depending on where the supply and demand goes.

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But some advice, or not just advice, but.

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Like thoughts, maybe for somebody who just just likes to collect.

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Sets, maybe just step.

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Away from ripping wax and opening packs and just try

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and go to shows and find singles, and then, in

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my opinion, that would.

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Be a better way to put together sets.

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I've learned that over the years, as Dad said earlier,

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and that helps. Usually I get the flagship Series one

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in Series two done within the body year of it

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coming out. So I think that going to shows and

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just getting singles for cheap is a pretty good investment

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and a better investment than just opening.

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Packs all the time. Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree.

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I think certainly living through the boom in twenty twenty,

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twenty twenty one, and when I got into twenty two,

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like if I want to to get Porter a pack

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of cards or something for his birthday, I mean, it

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was I couldn't plan on just going to Target or LCS.

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And it would be there.

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You know.

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I do think that product is much more readily available,

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which kind of back to the supply and the band

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common it should drive down the cost. I think cards

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are just like anything in life. You know, you've got

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to get what you can afford. Right, you can't go

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out and buy a flashy sports card if you don't

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have a flashy sports car budget. So you know, for

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a kid, Yeah, we've had orter bring.

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A buddy and you know, go to a show and say, well,

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what do you collect?

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Right, if you like basketball cards, don't go after tops

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chrome basketball or you know, trying to find autos, like

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maybe find a bargain box, a quarterbox. You know, if

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you bring ten bucks, you know, you go walk out

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of there with some honestes or you know, Anthony Edwards.

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You're not going to get a rookie, but you're going

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to get some cards of people.

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That you like, you know, and it's I think we

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may have touched on this last time, John.

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I mean a big part of what's driven up the

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cost of product is the you know, the odds on

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the side of a pack.

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You know, it's it is.

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The you know that near kind of like gambling experience

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that people have, they just keep driving it up where

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you know the time that you referenced, you know when

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it was fifteen quarter packs.

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You know, you just got the car.

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Sure you'd want the Gary Sheffield Rookie or something like that,

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but there wasn't a one on one Gary Sheffield that

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you can get, and so it all stayed, you.

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Know, fairly reasonable price.

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And so it's anytime you're gonna have that element where

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people think that they can get a quick bang for

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their buck flipping something, it's.

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It's going to drive the price up.

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But whether it's eBay, even if you don't have shops

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that are close to you or sport lots or trading

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card database like you can find the cards you want.

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You may not go with the speed that you want,

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but you'll get there. And yeah, it's it's a good

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lesson in just life in general. Can't always get what

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you want.

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Yeah, well said on both both account guys and the

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you know piggybacking off Porter's point right flagship Fairly still reasonable.

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I mean it has gone up a little bit, but

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I don't think it's you know, where it's unobtainable and

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so you kind of know when it's coming, so you

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can sort of you know, it's like when when the

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pitchers and catchers report. If you're a baseball collector, you

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know that tops flagship is very soon to be released,

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so you kind of save up right.

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Leading into that knowing it's it's coming.

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And it's a great point you guys both made right

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going into a show and acquiring singles, which are much

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more affordable to do in person. You're not paying the

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shipping to get it to you. You walk in, you

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get them the same day. Bargain box hunting right, dollar

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box hunting. You know you see people post their steals

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and deals. I have a dollar box and you know

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there was a card in there that was forty bucks.

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Now, you know, truth be told.

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When I put it in, there was probably ten bucks,

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but it went up to forty bucks. And the gentleman

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found it and he handed it to me and to

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like not sell it, like he thought you didn't think

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it was fair, Like, hey, I found this in your

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dollar box, a forty dollars card, and he's basically giving

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it back to me too, so I would not sell

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it to someone for a dollar. I'm like, no, you

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found it, right, you it's a dollar, because you're gonna

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sell that for a dollar. I'm like, yeah, you know,

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it wasn't forty dollars now when I put it in.

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I don't want to take that much credit, but it

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was probably ten dollars in The guy I can't even

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remember who was, but really sort of ramped up and

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you know, started playing better, and he goes, wow, I

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can't believe that, like someone else would would take it

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and say hey, thanks, and you know, like, hey, I

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put it in there, I'm not taking it back at

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you know, back out. He goes, what will you do

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if I don't buy it for a dollar? And I

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walk away and I'm like, I'll put it back in

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the box again, I'll take it. So so, you know,

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it's a great opportunity to find stuff like that.

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I found some you know I talked about where something

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was founded on me.

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I find stuff like that as well when I go

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to the show as a consumer.

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I love to do that, even at the National.

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The problem is the Nationals your your you know, it's

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like a boxing out for a rebounder.

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You're kind of battle of the boards for a box time.

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But it does a great opportunity to still afford the hobby.

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It stinks.

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Yes, I'm not going to argue the fact that it

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stinks that, you know, not everyone can open chrome baseball

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or basketball like they used to.

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I'm hoping that changes.

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I don't foresee it, but I also hope cops and

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other manufacturers right don't lose sight of keeping some items

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affordable to rip, because you know, I think we've all

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started was ripping that first pack right until we remember

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which it was. I mean, I've told this story a

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million times. For me was a nineteen seventy nine Tops

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baseball pack. You know, I got three packs. My grandfather

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bottom for me. You know, Brooklyn was on the front counter.

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And so I think that it's not everyone's entrance into

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the hobby, but it's a good percentage of it. And

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I hope that doesn't go away like that because of pricing,

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and I hope the companies are cognizant enough of that

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to put things in place to make sure that it

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kind of stays the case in some form or fashion.

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I know it won't be like the used to and

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in times are change, and I get that too, you know,

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it can't be the old man under portra. Although I

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still do it sometimes, but you know, I get it,

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So hopefully the powers that be keep that in mind.

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You know, we talked a little bit about the National

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it is in Chicago this year.

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Can I assume that I might get to see you

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guys there?

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Yeah, we'll be there at least two days.

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I don't know if each year will go one additional day.

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But we went from one to two and I think

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three would probably be our just budget wise and just

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there's only so much we can do. But last year

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we had a blast because we went met up with

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Greg Clark and Vince he's sports carver being teacher, really

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cool channel. He's a teacher. He rips cards and he

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collects with his kids. And then our buddy Kyle, who

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it's funny. Kyle's guy, my age. I went to high

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school with him, known it forever. He was buying cards

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for Porter and you know, for like birthday gifts, Christmas,

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and then just like me, he's going to sports shops

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where he lives close to Chicago, and he's like, man,

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I really miss collecting. You know, he was a Bruise.

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He's a Brewis fan. Miss collecting Paul Malitor and Robin

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y Out. So he did the same journey I did.

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He went back and got all the cards and he

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started collecting again. So he comes to the shows with us.

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And so yeah, the national like you said, it's the

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super Bowl.

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You know.

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The first year we went just to see meet people

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like you or you know, Top ceighty five four year one,

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like guys like that to be watching on YouTube forever.

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And then last year we probably did about fifty to fifty,

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you know, meeting up with people, doing more shopping. But

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it's it's just such a fun time. Community is so great,

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you know, just meeting people that you know, you talk

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to text, you know, phone calls, chats, and.

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Then you finally get to meet him in the flesh.

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And never are we disappointed because these people are really

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super nice friendly you meet him in person and even

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more so.

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Yeah, that's good.

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And let's we'll kind of close with this, you know,

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like you said, maybe with the movie you weren't able

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to get, but you you're getting, you know, a couple

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of videos out on.

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Your YouTube channel.

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You know, we hear a lot of the bad stories

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in the hobby and we got to talk about it

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there for it, you know, to warn people, so maybe

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someone doesn't get burnt.

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I fully believe that.

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But you know I always say for every bad story, right,

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there's five, six, seven, eight good ones. And the hobby

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community is probably one of the greatest communities in any

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hobby kind of you know, we'll kind of close with

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that and just kind of speak to that in your

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you know, since you started, your hobby community has obviously

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grown as well. Let's just talk about you know, I

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know you've given cards to people, people have given cards

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to you, and it's not just the given the cards.

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It's the sharing of information, the sharing of the passion

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of collecting that collecting gene. But just talk about kind

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of hobby community for you guys.

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Okay, I'll go first. Yeah, I think it's a pay

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it forward community. We've we've had the fortunate chance of

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meeting a lot of people that we've collected with or

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talked to, whether it's at the national in person, even

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since the last time we spoke.

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You have a good friend, Cotter.

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We'll do mailbox tracks, right, We'll get racks for each other,

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just putting in each other's mailboxes. You know, you think

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about the information when I came in, I was very skeptical.

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When I grew up in the junk wax era. I mean,

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if you went to a card show, you thought that

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a dealer that they had one goal and that was

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to rip you off. And and BO and I joke

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about all that they were not nice to kids, you know,

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But then when I took Port to his first show

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or first couple, I mean, I couldn't believe the one eighty.

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You know, they love seeing a kid in the hobby

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a kid, and I hope no one takes the wrong way,

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but like collecting the right way. We always hear that

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about you know, he collects the right way. He collects

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because he loves the cards. He's not you know, just

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carring around the Pelican case. And there's nothing wrong with that.

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But there's room for both people in the hobby, and

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so dealers have always seemed to really embrace just Hey,

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we just like collecting.

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That's that's what we like to do. And we find that,

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you know, a lot of.

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That content that we watch, you know, yeah, there's things

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that get clicks. You know, it's hard not to ignore

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some of the you know, scandals that happened in the.

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Hobby, but like the or whatever, Yeah, like autographs, any

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of that kind of stuff, But we more than videos

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we watch or just hey, learning about how people collect,

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how they store stuff.

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One of our favorite things to watch your car card

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room videos. Yeah, you know, somebody walks around their room

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and shows how they store stuff and all the unique

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things they picked up or maybe their kids baseball jersey

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from when they were playing.

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I mean, that stuff's really really cool.

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And now I don't like to do that, Zach, because

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it usually cost me money because I'm like, I.

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Gotta do that, and then I gotta buy all new

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like some new K's or new Protectors. So no, I

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get it. I'm kidding. You got some great ideas too. Yeah.

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Yeah, So I mean to me the community, like, yeah,

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there's always gonna be stuff out there that you know

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gets clicks, but there's.

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A lot more good than bad.

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And you know, I'm glad that I was surprised because

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I came in thinking that everyone's gonna be out to

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get you, or no one's gonna help you.

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Even as simple as when I did.

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My first trading card database trade, I didn't know how

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to send a card through PWE and somebody walked me

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through it. And so now whenever I know somebody's it's

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their first trade. I always say, here, I'll send you

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this stuff first. You can use my material, just replicate it,

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send it back. You know it's a dollar worth of

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cards or Yeah, it's just little things like that.

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Everyone does that.

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Everyone kind of polices each other and we we all

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love and live in this great community.

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How about you sort of the same.

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Thing that you said.

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I'm glad that we've been able to make so many

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friends over the years collecting and.

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Just meeting people and all that great stuff.

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And yeah, I love watching people and how they store

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their cards and how they display their stuff, and it

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really I like it also because that gives us ideas,

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Like we Greg Clark sort of inspired us to do

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how we set up our stuff back here now with

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the new shelving units and having displays and just boxes.

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Use our calas else.

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By the way, we don't get any money from Ikia,

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but we talked to fifteen different collectors and every single

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person was like, oh, yeah, I get the Kalix shew

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uh and they are perfect for the boxes. The was

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the three rows fitting perfect in there, so uh yeah.

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And we we learned that by asking a bunch of

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hobby people, way, what kind of shell should we get

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calyx Ikia, go for it.

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Yeah, And that's the thing.

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It doesn't even always have to be a card that's

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gifted and that's nice.

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Don't don't stop doing that. That's not what I'm saying.

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But it's a sharing of info, right, Hey, get these

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or get these here, right, they're cheaper here, yeah, you know,

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and that sort of thing, right to save someone some

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money and always always important.

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It's time for a quick break thoughts will be right.

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If you care about the future of the hobby, it's

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time to know the name CTCA, The Certified Trading Card

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Association ctc A is the first and only nonprofit trade

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and stronger for everyone, from collectors and local card shops

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helping bring more trust, transparency, accountability, and protection to the

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hobby we all love. Whether you're a shop owner, breaker, dealer,

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content creator, or passionate collector, now is the time to

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help shape the future of the hobby. Become a member

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today and join the movement at the CTCA dot org.

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That's VCTCA dot org. Because a better hobby starts with

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all of us CTCA building a safer, smarter and stronger hobby.

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Thanks for sticking with us. Let's returned to the show.

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Just real quick.

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Porter As as a young man in the hobby, you know,

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I know sometimes dealers. I'm not one of them, thankfully,

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never should be that way. Very I love seeing kids.

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I usually have some free packs on me that I

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always will give to young boys and girls that I

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see at the show when they.

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Get close to my table.

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Do you feel like for the most part, most dealers

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are receptive of to you compared to like an adult.

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Do you feel like you're you know, someone's asking, hey, buddy,

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what are you looking for?

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Who do you collect?

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Or do you feel like maybe the dealers maybe are

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more geared to the adult clientele if you will.

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I've seen dealers over the years that have asked me like, hey,

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what do you like? What do you pc? Stuff like that,

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and then no, maybe help me find some of that

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stuff in uh what their inventory?

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See?

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Most of the dealers I feel like they have now

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embraced kids in the hobby, maybe in one of them,

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and they're well, for the most part, nice to me

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at shows and at shops and stuff.

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Yeah, what I think is unique, and we don't sell

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anything a lot of the kids that I think dealers

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sometimes get annoyed with the kids that come up right

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away like you buying?

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Uh?

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And and so I think with Porter they do. And

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usually it takes maybe a few minutes they see that

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they're you know, what are you looking for?

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Uh?

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You know who you collected in Port'll talk about Jackie Robinson,

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a Ray guy like answers you don't normally you know here.

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It does help too that we we collect teams that

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aren't the you know, hometown tax here in Wisconsin.

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Right, We're not packers, we're not brewers.

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So usually a guy may have an elloye of and

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is that he doesn't want to carry around anymore and

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be like, hey here, you know, here you go.

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Yeah.

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I think that dealers understand that the future of the

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hobby is always going to be in that next generation,

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and so if you treat them right, they'll bring kids in.

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And especially going back to a topic we talked about

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earlier the sports card kid. You know, you're competing with

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the Pokemon dollar as a dealer. So when a kid

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comes in as excited about sports cards, you know, keep

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them happy, keep them coming back. And we have our

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favorite dealers, right we go back and are loyal to

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the people that are you know, nice to us and

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always you know, have ways to figure out to do deals.

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And you know, it's a it's definitely been much more

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welcoming than I ever would have thought of. And then

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the YouTube community. You know, a lot of our channel

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is sharing mail days, racks, things that people send us,

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a lot of big geared towards Porter and it sometimes

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is overwhelmed with the generosity and just kindness of people

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within this community because they like paying it for because

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probably someone did it to them when they were getting

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into collecting.

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Yeah, no doubt, guys. And I mean for me, you know,

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I'm still obviously a collector. I have a PC even

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though I'm a dealer, and I just you know, being

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I got my start as a seven year old kid,

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right like you said, just now, so Elevator, the kids

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are the next ones that they're carrying this Briton forward.

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If if no one does it, the hobby will suffer.

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I'm not gonna I'm not like gonna tell you the

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hobby will die. That's never gonna happen. But the hobby

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will suffer if there's not enough people enjoying it, right.

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And so you know, I got started in nineteen seventy nine,

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all those years ago, as a seven year old kid,

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and here I am forty six years later, right, And

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so I love seeing those kids active in the hobby.

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And because I was one of them, I'm sort of

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jealous because I can't go back there again.

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But all joking aside, Right, it's important.

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It's it's important, and I don't think every dealer really

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thinks like that, but it's important for especially if you're

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a younger dealer, like you don't know, you know, I'm

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in my fifties now. I don't know how much shows

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I got left as a dealer. But if you're a

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younger dealer, right, that's more. You're gonna be your lifeblood

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if you will what you're doing it full time? I

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don't you know, it's not my full time job. But

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if you're full time in the hobby and doing shows, right,

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you should want you should love seeing kids like Porter

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that are collecting, like you say, maybe in a little

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different way than sort of we're accustomed to, but sort

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of the way it used to be, you know, sort

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of a throwback. We'll call Porter to throwback, right, Yeah,

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and you know so, so I think that's important. I

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think most I don't want to, you know, pay with

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the broad brush, as I like to say, but I

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think most dealers get it that, Like Bob goes off,

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there's gonna be a few, whether it's short sighted, this

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just don't care enough, whatever the reason.

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He is, might not.

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And like you guys said, right, you learn which dealers

486
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you like and enjoy and who who they are. But

487
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.960
even besides the cards, right, who are they as a person? Uh,

488
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.519
and that sort of thing, And then you'll make your

489
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.720
your purchasing or trade decisions a lot of times based

490
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.799
on that. And that's how it that's how it should

491
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:27.839
be as consumers. Right, we have good experiences, we go back,

492
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.119
we have a good meal at a restaurant, We're more

493
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.839
likely to go there down the line and eat again. Right,

494
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.440
we don't We're probably like I don't want to eat

495
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:39.440
there anymore, you know. So it's the same thing like

496
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:43.960
in cards, and shows and dealers, right, we sort of

497
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.880
get to know who who who does it right, who

498
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.480
who cares if you will, and that's important.

499
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.680
It's good to hear you. Uh, you know that.

500
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.079
And the have a community, like you guys said, is

501
00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.640
a tremendous one, you know. And you know I always say,

502
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.079
don't meet your idols, and I think that's more towards athletes.

503
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.400
But like you said, you know, you talk to someone

504
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.519
online or you get to know them on line, and

505
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.200
hopefully you meet them in person and in here the

506
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.519
same person and a quick quick story and you know,

507
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:16.480
someone met me.

508
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:17.440
I don't know.

509
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.599
This was a couple of years ago at the National

510
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.039
and you know we talked for like twenty minutes and

511
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.039
at the end, you know, they were shaking my hand like,

512
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.160
oh my god, you're just like you are on your podcast.

513
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.759
And I laughed and I said, I got to ask you, like,

514
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:35.000
what did you expect me to be like? Because I

515
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.079
was like, to me, I'm just myself, Like there's no

516
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.799
like it was a weird. I get why he's after

517
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.200
talking Tom again, but I'm like, well, what did you

518
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.920
think I was. I'm not a celebrity, I'm not brand

519
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.160
Pitt like I wasn't gonna big time, you know, like

520
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.279
what he goes, well, I think some you know, I

521
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:55.680
don't want to speak for everyone. I've met a couple

522
00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.519
you know, online hobby contact careers, and when I met him,

523
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.680
they were a little bit different and sure and Kurt

524
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.720
and okay, I gotta go, you know, and you weren't

525
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:07.039
like that.

526
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.720
I'm like, I never will be like this. What you

527
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:10.799
see is what you get.

528
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.079
Sometimes that's not always like you get to suck me

529
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:15.599
mug on YouTube.

530
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.000
Sometimes that's not always always a good thing.

531
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.279
But like you know, I've never been like but the

532
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.039
comment really kind of caught me off guard because I

533
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.920
wouldn't know how to be otherwise, right, you know. I

534
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.200
remember I was raised by my grandparents guys, and my

535
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:35.039
grandfather from a very early age said, you know, if

536
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.720
you be yourself, you never have to pretend to be

537
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.839
anybody else. And you also had another line and say,

538
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.440
if you you never lie, you never have to remember

539
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.119
the truth. So you know, little things. It's funny because

540
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.240
you take them to heart more as you get older.

541
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.480
You know, you hear them when you're a kid, and

542
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:53.720
you get it. I don't want to make it like

543
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.039
I didn't get it, but it makes all the more

544
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.200
sense as you get older, and so you know, and

545
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.319
I've got that more than once where people say, man,

546
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.200
you're just like like I hear you and how you are,

547
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.559
and I'm like, well that's me too, another guy on

548
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:08.920
my show.

549
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.799
Maybe I'd be very different.

550
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.079
But you know, but I guess some some people are

551
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.720
are maybe different in person than they are online. And

552
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.799
you know that's not gonna be my m O. And

553
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.519
and you know, and that's not even a hobby thing.

554
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.079
That's just in in general and in person with you know,

555
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.160
I'm a teaching assistant, so you know, I work in

556
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.000
high school with kids, and so you know, I'm gonna

557
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:37.400
be that.

558
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.640
Down to earth guy for everyone across war at least

559
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.119
I hope too.

560
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.039
So that that always surprised me when someone says that,

561
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.000
But I get a chuckle out of it, and uh,

562
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.400
we usually both parties do, and.

563
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.720
Uh, you know, they're like, well, it's very refreshingly.

564
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.720
Well I hate the I hate the you know, Boria,

565
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.559
but the next time we meet, it's gonna probably be

566
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:01.920
the same thing. So but guys, I appreciate you making

567
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.519
some time. I know you, like you said with the

568
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.119
recent move and stuff. I know you're busy as always.

569
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.680
I give the guests their guests to find out where

570
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.440
where people can see what you're doing your YouTube channel.

571
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.759
Take your time share all that stuff, all right, Well.

572
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:18.920
Thanks John, It's pretty simple.

573
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.400
We do a YouTube channel, Zach and Porter, A and

574
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.920
D and I think when we first were on your show,

575
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:32.119
we maybe have just been about a years. Yeah, only

576
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.279
a few months or so. I definitely if you're newer

577
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.920
to the hobby and you like sports cardination, you clearly

578
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.160
you know, want to learn more. We have a great

579
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.359
collection or a great group of collectors that hang out

580
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.400
on our channel and watch our videos. You can see

581
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.240
in the comments and find other things. That's how we

582
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.400
find other people. You know, you look through the comments.

583
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.960
People look the same way. We open up a lot

584
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.079
of just mail days things we find it card shows.

585
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:58.279
We're not ripping any wax.

586
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.839
We're just sharing a lot of story about the hobby

587
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.039
and sometimes you know, we'll do something unique for one

588
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.880
of our PCs. But yeah, definitely can reach out to

589
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.400
us there.

590
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.160
We've even met a lot of people and done trades

591
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.200
through our channel as well.

592
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.440
So Zach and Porter on YouTube and yeah, John thank

593
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:16.960
you so much for having us back. I guess we

594
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.559
didn't totally do a ratings bomb for you that first

595
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.799
time you decide to have us back. Oh, John, I

596
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.319
think you're quiet for a second.

597
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.839
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't have that.

598
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.279
Here's the thing, most of my shows, I'm blessed now

599
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.480
doing this eight years.

600
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.480
I built up following.

601
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.960
Thankfully didn't start out like that in the first year,

602
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.039
but since then it's ramped up. Here in the year

603
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.440
eight so most episodes get four figured downloads. I'm very

604
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.880
appreciative of that, humbling. I don't take it for granted.

605
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.759
I say that all the time, right, be talking to

606
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.920
myself without you folks out there. So that's that lip service,

607
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.880
that's from the heart. And I don't have people on.

608
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.680
That's the other thing that you know, it's always nice

609
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.440
to have, you know, an actor like Dwyre Brown from

610
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:09.519
Field of Dreams a CEO, right, But I don't have

611
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:13.680
people on just because I necessarily know, like, hey, that

612
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.839
might get more downloads.

613
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.720
And I get it. Some some people check that box

614
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:19.640
right for me.

615
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:25.759
This hop this hobby accomplises everybody right from low level

616
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.279
the high levels, everywhere in between, and without all of

617
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.359
us right there. Again, the hobby is that it is

618
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.400
that telling the history, right, we need all those facets

619
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:41.039
to put that puzzle together. So I've if you look,

620
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.279
we've had over I think we're approaching almost three hundred

621
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.480
different folks I've been on this show. And that's kind

622
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.119
of scary when I think about that, that that's how

623
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:56.160
many and all walks of life, right, male, female, corporate,

624
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:05.119
not corporate, authors, artists, collectors, dealers, promoters.

625
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:06.279
That was my favorite one.

626
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:11.559
That was funny. That was funny. Listen, Sometimes there isn't

627
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:12.319
a great example.

628
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.279
There's a there's someone he doesn't really collect cards, but

629
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.000
he became He's a fellow Mets fan, and much like me,

630
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.200
he doesn't shy away from complaining.

631
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.319
When there's reason to complain.

632
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.160
He became a viral sensation for what he did on

633
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.480
a televised game. He was great just to pick his

634
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.720
brain and talk to him about you know, and and

635
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:38.359
like he said on the show, like he didn't do

636
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.319
that to get any sort of note, right, just kind

637
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:43.839
of came with his territory.

638
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:48.000
And you know, he's like, I'm not any different.

639
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:56.279
It was a whole run, right, and just a really

640
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:01.440
cool Gary Denier is so and just a cool moment.

641
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.160
You know, I had Dwyer Brown on from Field of Dreams.

642
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:05.759
He played in the movie.

643
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.799
He played Kevin Coster's ghost father coming Back and as

644
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:10.240
a dad.

645
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.079
I don't know if you I'm assuming you guys have

646
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.119
seen the movie. I've seen that movie.

647
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.000
I don't know how many times that scene, like having

648
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.720
like a little baby. Every single time, I know what's coming,

649
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.799
and it still just hits you the right It's still

650
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:27.720
just hits you that way.

651
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.440
If you're a dad or a son. That's that's what's

652
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:32.119
gonna happen.

653
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.079
And just one of the one of my one of

654
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.160
my favorite movies, and one of my favorite scenes from

655
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.279
a movie. And you know, like he'll tell you he

656
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.000
made a whole career from a one minute scene in

657
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.400
the Movie's got a new book out which I'm in

658
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.200
the process of reading, and the books about fathers and

659
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.279
sons and the relationships, and he in the book, he

660
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.400
tells stories of people coming up to him in public

661
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.440
and saying what that scene meant to them, or how

662
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.279
they had lost maybe a dad and it made them reminisce,

663
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.640
or maybe a son and the father had a falling

664
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.920
out and that scene caused them to pick up the

665
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.199
phone and said, this is dumb.

666
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.440
Let's squash this and get on the same page again.

667
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:20.559
So you know, I'm and some of the shows I've done, guys,

668
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.400
and I know we're going overtime here, but uh, you know,

669
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.519
even though I've had my dad on twice to talk

670
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.480
about growing up at Ebittsfield and in Brooklyn and meeting

671
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.519
the Jackie Robinsons and the Duke Schneiders and the pev

672
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.239
and those guys, and you know, it wasn't my most

673
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.239
down you know, talking about downloads, not my most downloaded shows,

674
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.880
especially at the time, but probably my most one of

675
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.119
my most impactful because I got so many emails and

676
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.639
d MS zagaported that said, hey, hearing you reminisce and

677
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.719
your dad getting choked up thinking about his youth and

678
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.760
growing up in Brooklyn and hearing those great stories that

679
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:00.800
you just can't get from it ever any one, right,

680
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.880
those you know, my dad's generation unfortunately still around, thank god,

681
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.760
but he's eighty eight. Generation is going away, and so

682
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.239
those stories and connections with players in an error and

683
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.840
those are going away too. Other than you know, what's

684
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.679
captured on video or written and so to have them

685
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:21.960
on and talk about that, I got a lot of

686
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.280
feedback saying, hey, hearing you talk with your dad, I

687
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.280
called my dad right after listening to your show, or

688
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.239
me and my dad had an argument, hadn't spoken in

689
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.280
two years, and hearing you talk to your dad, I'm like,

690
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.639
this is dumb. What we're mad at each other about

691
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.360
in the grand scheme of things is silly. I'll blink first,

692
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.199
I'll call. And I remember sharing that with my wife,

693
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.199
some of those messages. She was a little taken back,

694
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.440
like she doesn't if she's not a card person, or

695
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.039
you know, she doesn't listen to the show she's support

696
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.599
of as a wife. But when I showed some of

697
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:00.639
those messages from the show with my dad, was really

698
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.159
like I'm like, yeah, I'm just kind of shocked a

699
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.000
little bit too, or you know, humbled by it as well.

700
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.679
So you never know. I always say this, guys, and

701
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.880
this goes for your anybody's.

702
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.320
Content, right including you. You can't you.

703
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.960
Never know who's listening, who's watching, and what impact you

704
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.960
might actually be making. And you know, and for the

705
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.599
four or five messages I got with my dad's appearance,

706
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.360
and maybe there was four or five even other ones

707
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.840
that did something but you know, didn't let me know

708
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.960
about it. So, you know, always be wary that your

709
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.280
content could be making a difference. And if even if

710
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:40.960
it's as simple as hey, I love.

711
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.920
Zach and Porter. They make me laugh.

712
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.039
I love seeing a father and son share a hobby,

713
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:48.920
share moments. Right, even if it's that you bring a

714
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.039
smile to someone's face. You can't put a price. You

715
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:56.320
can't put a price on stuff like that. So you know, Uh,

716
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.000
someone asked me once like do you profit from your podcast?

717
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.440
And I'm like, I make money. I still have to

718
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.920
go to work, uh, you know during the week.

719
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.760
Uh, but I get more out of those kind of

720
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.280
feedback moments. Once says love the episode. It caused me

721
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.039
to do this, reconnect with this or you saved me.

722
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.719
You know, I was about to do something, but listening

723
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.000
to you, I realized I was gonna get in trouble.

724
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:22.559
And you say that stuff.

725
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.199
You again, you can't put a price on no sort

726
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.760
of things, guys, And so to anyone including you, guys, right,

727
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.280
you make that that.

728
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.280
That creates that content.

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You should never lose sight of that because it's important,

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you know, you never know, I say so guys, thank you. Well, listen,

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we'll have you back. It won't be four years next time. Uh,

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but uh, you know, next time we'll have your back.

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Porter will probably be taller than both you and Isaac.

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Yeah, probably, But guys, thank you. Keep up what you're doing.

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You know we talk about hobby community, you guys are

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great examples of doing it the right way.

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Uh, and keep going.

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We appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you for having us

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out on John.

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As always to our guests in this case, Zach and Porter,

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father and son doing great hobby community things, collecting together, right.

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And I think most of us, not all of us,

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but I think most of us can point to a

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relative that got us into this hobby, uh, to start

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our hobby journey, if you. I think that's the majority

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of how we got into collecting. And love to see

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that tradition continue no matter what year it is. And

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they're two great guys doing fun hobby stuff.

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Check out their YouTube.

750
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Channel as they show out of their mail days and

751
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Racks talks a little sport and what they've got and

752
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what's going on. So uh, you know, it's been four

753
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years since the previous time we talked to him, so

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hopefully won't be another four uh you know, before we

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talk to him again. So with that being said, we're

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gonna wrap up our final segments here and call it

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an episode and appreciate everyone out there that takes time

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out of your day to listen to the show. Without you,

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we don't exist all right.

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Time for our hobby is the people Announcer of the week.

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This is Mike, this baseball card life, and remember the

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hobby is the people.

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If you'd like to be the hobby is the People

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Announcer of the week to one four MP three file

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and send it to Sportscott Nation DC at gmail dot com.

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