July 10, 2026

Matthew & Garrett return! E396

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Part II with Matthew and Garrett Weaver. They invented a baseball card game that can be played with your own cards, build your own teams,etc. It's not just the run of the mill roll the dice type game. Yes there's dice but built on formulas that should bring similar results to real life matchups. Want Griffey jr to play along side Lou Gehrig. Now you can! We talk about it.

Talking Points may include:

*Hobby starts and what you enjoy

*Base cards matter!

*Inventing a game with Baseball cards

*Getting through 20 versions to perfect it.

*Game play- How long per game. How it works.

*Long term goals

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links to them as well. All right, Part two of

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our interesting conversation with Matthew and Garrett Weaver of the

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baseball card General Manager Game, and they invented the game.

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I'll let you play with your own baseball cards of

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any sort could be you know, pre War. As long

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as there's stats on the back, you can use them,

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and you can build your own teams, you can create

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your own matchups and just really cool. And I really

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do believe most baseball card collectors played some sort of

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baseball game, whether it be straight o Matic or the

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show on you know, PlayStation or you know Nintendo or wherever.

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I think a lot of us are collectors because we're

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baseball fans. Sure that's not one hundred percent. I know

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it's not one hundred percent, but I think that percentage

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is high. And So Matt and Garrett are back this

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week part two of that conversation about how they came

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up with this great game that can be played by

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anyone with any cards with stats on it. So we're

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about to start for part two. If you didn't catch

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part weren't one, you're only.

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A week behind.

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Just go back a week and check that out as well.

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You know, I get it. I'm a teaching at high

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school level, and you know, we got Nintendo switches and

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all these other systems. But I love a great board game, right.

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They never a really great board game never goes out

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of style, right, Monopoly comes to mind. But then when

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you factor in like sports or in this case baseball

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in a board game and the fact that you you

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cared enough guys right to to do twenty like go

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through twenty versions to you were like satisfied with like, hey,

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this gives the best realistic feel to the game that

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I mean that to me, that just shows how much

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you care about that, how much pride you put into

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that that final product. You know, with twenty versions, like

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from going from one to the next, is it like

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the day or it depends on what you're tweaking.

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Well, sometimes it might be that one of that versions

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may last in a week, because it all depends howvy

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times we got to test it.

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Sometimes we do print it out the next day.

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So I mean, it really was that was six months

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of the journey, literally just a piece of paper with

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that grid. More than six months and that was it.

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And that was just us rolling dice and put it

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on the table. We didn't have anything else because we

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didn't think we needed it. And you know, I didn't

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play Stratomatic as a kid, or I don't and you

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know Garrett doesn't obviously, but that's sort of we did

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want to be I felt like it was important enough

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that the stats were replicating enough that those kinds of

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folks could be okay, could appreciate it, right, Like it's

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not a perfect simulator, but we like there's enough ever

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put in. They go, look, that's true enough to the

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game that makes you feel like I'm getting it's not

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just a made up game. There really is something there,

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you know. And you say about board games, it's you know,

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you're right with so much of Nintendo and Major League

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and the show and all this other stuff going on,

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Like we call this sort of like an analog analog

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fantasy games, you know, like and it's good old fashioned

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family time.

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We play it in the morning.

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Where we go to school, because what do you do

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between six o'clock when he wakes up and seven thirty?

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We had to get out the door.

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Oh, let's play a game of baseball card GM. It's

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not watching TV, it's not playing a video game, but

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you're learning and about baseball and using all the baseball stats.

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So it is it's like fantasy baseball mets fantasy baseball

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meets meets video games meets actual baseball cards in history, right, like,

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and you're looking apart from the person and they hit

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a home run and he rolls a home run role

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and you walk it off in the ninth and.

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You go, oh my god, I can't believe that happens.

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But that's the fun. It's the like, oh, you just

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stole a base to you know, get out of a

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double play.

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Ah, like you know, that's those moments. It's just like

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real baseball. It's like that.

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So speaking, you mentioned stolen bases, So how does that way?

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I don't want to give away all the secrets. Secrets,

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but do you have to declare like I want him

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to steal and then you roll to find out the

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outcome of the attempt.

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Yeah, say like I want to attempt to steal with.

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Oh, don't worry about it. It doesn't.

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So you'll say I want to I want to say

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steal the Rickey Henderson and instead Tim Ranks rock Rains.

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There you got you steal rock Rains and you're playing

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when rock Rains. You were playing with nineteen nineteen eighty

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three Rock Rains and he had hewmy stolen basis, he

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had ninety stolen bases. So we have on the board

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is look if you steal, if you stole zero to

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ten bases, say what you're going to be You have

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to roll one and two to be safe, otherwise you're out.

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So the odds roll.

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If you roll a six, you're out and that's it.

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Right.

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So for Rock, because he had so many stolen bases,

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his cutoff means he's gonna be safe five out of

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six times he's gonna be So it presses down so

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you can seal with someone who doesn't see a lot

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of bases. Just the odds are you're probably more likely

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to get out than not.

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Yeah. So in other words, where I'm gonna if John

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Cruk's on first base, you're probably not sending.

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Now he's probably gonna be out. More likely or not,

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he's gonna be out. You know, you want to send

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many dices for you don't want to send John Cruck.

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I huge Kruck because I still play men's competitive softball

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and that's like my softball nicknack like Ruki. So when

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I'm playing, you know, when I'm in full uniform and

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the whole nine. But he was you know, listen, I

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know he still does some broadcasting, and uh, he's a

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he's a Philly's legend, just just his antic. He was

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the heck of a header he's three hundred. But you know,

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everyone remembers like the Randy Johnson that bad and like

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all that funnies, and he's a hilarious guy. The guy was.

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He didn't look like me, he didn't have that body

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type that makes you think baseball player, but he can hit.

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So yeah, you know we love I.

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Mean, first, you know he was.

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He was the guy came up with the expression, l A,

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I'm not a I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player.

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Right, that was the joke.

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The joke was that because you know, he's not he's

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not a baseball he's not an athlete basball player. But

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you know all of the stuff that goes into when

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you look at cards, and Garrett opens up those old

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cards from the eighties, nineties, even from the set. You know,

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those seventies guys, and they got the big old mustaches

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and the mutton shots and the afros and and and

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the you know, the and the mullets and they go

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and you look at him, go, this is just that was.

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Just the seventies.

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Yeah, discussed or the fingers. You know, mustaches like those

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are all part of the suit. There's so much in

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a baseball card.

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And you learn, right, you learn all that fun stuff,

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right that even beyond the stats, right from using the cards,

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you get to know what these guys look like or

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their styles. Uh. And and some of those styles no

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longer exists, some of them do, or some of them

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are are tweaked, tweaked a little bit. If you see

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Raleigh today, he's still got the mustache. And so, yeah,

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so he's not giving it. He's not giving it up.

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That's like his that's like his trademark. So and I

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actually met him a few years back at Cooperstown by

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the way, So a really nice guy. But I love

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that about the game because there's so much there's so

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much positive to it, right, the educational part, the the

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learning what these guys did, what they look like. And

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then and then it's your own game, right, you're bringing

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your card. So it's promoting the hobby too, because you

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can bring if you want to go new school and

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use today's baseball players, or you want to go old

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school and use yesteryear's or a combination of both. Right,

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you've got so many you can go and whatever direction

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you want to go with it. And and again, when

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we talk about some of those previous games, right, you

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didn't have that option. You only can play with what

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they gave you, and then those parameters were sort of

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very Yeah.

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Yeah, is part of I think what kids really appreciate

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about it is that fantasy freedom of being really to

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mix it, do whatever you want, how you want to do.

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And what I like about it so far as making

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use of cards is you know, it's not It's not

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about chasing signatures and autos and one on one because

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those cards don't have stats.

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It's the bulk common use, the race cards.

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Yeah, it's the pace cards.

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Cards, the core set, you know, the thing that people

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just love and collect, the core set, basic common cards.

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I love my career the rookie.

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A rookie card doesn't have the stats. I don't want that.

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I don't need the seven hundred dollars card. I need

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the seventy cent card. Sometimes there are a couple of months.

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But when we go to card, when we go to

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a card show or a card shop, what we liked,

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we we're hitting those fifty cent racks.

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Yeah, because I only saw one of these.

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We want those, We want those, we want those.

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We would to find that like lou Gary Recreation card

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because yeah, it's worth nothing to you, but it had

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the twenty seven stats on in the twenty seven stats

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are great for the.

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Game, you know, like he's the best player on the.

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Blue Gary nineteen twenty seven so far in that because

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he in that year he max max.

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He's one off walks, one off walks.

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But that was one of the greatest seasons in baseball history.

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Yeah, we actually have that in the content collection twenty

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seven Yankees.

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Yeah, and the sixteen Braves, I mean Red Sox with

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sort of that idea that you're you're finding new value

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and those sort of cards that a lot of people

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just think are Yeah.

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No, I love that. I love that aspect. I think

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there's just so many positives from again, education, making those

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base cards matter, the fun of it. Right, you can

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bring your own cards. You're not like in that box

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where you're at the mercy of the game manufacturer. You

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can bring your own line up. I love it.

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Thanks for sticking with us. Let's return to the show.

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So, Garrett, are you a baseball player yourself?

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Oh yeah, yeah?

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So is that something like teammates and you have played

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or not or not yet?

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We've played it a few times, we've played it at

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some tournaments, mid games yet in the ye I don't know.

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I don't know if the coach would be a big fan.

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Probably not. Not a good thing for the coach. Yeah,

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if you're doing.

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Hey, Garrett, you're up. You gotta put what do.

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You mean, I gotta roll?

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It's it's it's it's great for for tournament baseball kids

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or your baseball kids. You got the long days and

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you and you say you had three hours in between

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a game.

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We've had.

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We've had kids roll out the game. They bring their

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cards everywhere, kids bring their cards every year.

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Two. There's another part just from this time, from this

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conversation to right, that builds chemistry anytime you do like

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I listen, I'm a baseball kid. I still play men's

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softball and I played travel back in my day and

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my hey day. Right, And you build natural chemistry from

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from playing the season with your teammates. Right. But I

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think you even build or chemistry when you're doing like

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non baseball playing stuff besides them, like the games on

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the field are what they are. You that just builds

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natural chemistry. I think you get you become tighter net

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when you're doing stuff other than you know, baseball on

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the field, Like even in the big leagues. Right in

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the clubhouse, they're playing poker or card games or what

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have you, Right, and they're building that sort of uh

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rapport with each other in chemistry.

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Right.

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So I think this is another thing right you mentioned

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like families playing this together. Right, doesn't have to just

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be Little League baseball teams or high school but that's great.

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I love that aspect. So there's just so many different

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positives to it. Guy, that guys that you probably weren't

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thinking about all of them at the time when you

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were when you were designing this actually curve.

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Right, That's exactly what happened, you know, That's exactly right.

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We were just trying. We had a very simple question, how

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do I play by baseball cards? And we and we

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solved it. And what's happened now is people have taken

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onto it and realized these other things, right the nostalgia

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element and opening old packs and rediscovery. Or man, I'm

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spending time with my kids again and I'm getting them

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off TV and I'll video games and I'm playing games

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with them again. Or man, I'm doing this as a

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unity thing for teammates, or I'm taking them to schools.

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A school right here in our in our area bought

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a few games TPS. They bought they bought a few

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games and they're doing there for middle school and they're

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doing they're doing a little class on it because they're

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learning learning statistics. It just it just it fits into

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so many different worlds and any joby is like any

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joy we can give is great.

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You know whatever that check you go for it, Yeah,

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checks a lot of boxes, guys. It just has so

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many positives and really zero negatives as far as I'm

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I'm concerned. And like you mentioned statistics, like you can

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go to college and get a PhD in statistics. Uh,

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you know, the hobby has someone who's very famous for

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that and doctor James Beckett, so you know, so there's

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there's just so many different great things with it, right,

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And so kudos to you guys for again you know

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it's easy. Like I don't want to say it's not easy,

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but you could have made one version and said hey,

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here's our here's our game, right, but you cared enough

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to say, hey, we want to we want to make

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the best game we can make, and if it takes

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twenty versions of twenty drafts, then so be it. And

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then here here it is. Right, and you know, you're

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at a little league game and the rains come and

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you gotta get underneath the you know, the awning right,

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break out, the break out the game and until the

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rain delay is over. The rain won't stop that game

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unless it's really windy. But so like how it I mean,

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I can even see this like you know, you see

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like some of the who know we've talked about Pokemon

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earlier or Magic together, they have like tournaments. Is that

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something maybe you hope to see what this game is,

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maybe have some like tournament level.

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Yeah, I think I would love to see it. I would,

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but like competitively, I wouldn't say enough.

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No, you don't know yet.

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I think what it because it does feel so much

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like a TCG because you are on a play Man

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and you're playing out your cards and you're bringing your

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collections or you're cracking new packs, you're drafting. It's really

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right for that kind of competitive environment where people really

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do you know, you pay in and you grab some

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packs and maybe you anti up your best card.

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You know, whoever wins gets that card. But it would

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be great to have that world where you own you

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owned a card shop. Maybe not in you know, back

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in your day maybe Pokemon and Magic gathering work white

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coming on now, but now you go to a card

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shop it's always the sports card folks in the front

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counters and then all the people to play magic or football,

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and you throw a look over and go, I know

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what they're into.

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I have no idea what their world is like, what's

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going on with them, But the world's could collide because

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card shops they have them both.

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And they want to have both.

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If you have the room, if you're a card shop

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and you have the room to make both sides of

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the isle happy happy, right, have a have a whatever

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uh uh, you know, nonsports trading card game tournament, and

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have the you know, the general manager baseball tournament. Have

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them at the same time, right, Yeah, And it really

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shows both sides, like, hey, there's room for everybody that

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you're that sort of of camaraderie. Well listen, well let

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me ask you that one more question before we kind

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of you know, and I know you guys are baseball

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at heart. Has has doing this? Has a light bulb

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come on? Maybe to make a football version, a basketball

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hockey or something.

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You know, it has came up, But it's the stats

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are not physically well, it's possible because it's like really

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difficult to them do actions.

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Right, Yeah, out of baseball so literal. The stat is literal.

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It's like, oh, I hit a triple and what happens

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He goes the third and that guy moves it over.

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Whereas basketball cars it's like you shot a shot, or

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you shot a shot and.

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How do you work like passing in there they know what?

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Or hockey yeah yeah, again it's.

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You know, it's like it does not conducive.

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It's not condesive to how you would do how specifically

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how the game works.

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But maybe it makes baseball so unique.

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It's like all those stats on the car earlier and

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you very specific things that you can almost picture your head.

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And believe me, people ask all the time. You're not

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the first people say, oh man, you should make this

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for hockey cards, and maybe we do.

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I don't know the way I think.

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I think it's just sort of that, you know, you

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don't really well, it's just like, doesn't it's not the

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way those sports work. You know, where you lay up

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the lineup and you have sort of that one on

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one nature of it.

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Yeah, baseball really is more designed for this kind of

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game than some of the other sports. I'd probably put

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football as probably the the next thing if you were

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to do another one. Football maybe could be done because

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you if you're the quarterback, if you're you could say, hey,

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I'm going to hand it off to this running back

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and then see what the outcome is or I'm going

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to pass and then you know that sort of.

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Thing, you see, right, how far it goes?

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Yeah, and baseball. But baseball, even though it's it's nine

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v nine, it's really one versus one in the moment

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Matthew & Garrett return! E396

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