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What is up, everybody? Welcome to episode three ninety six
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of Sports Coordination. As we approach episode four hundred, we're
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our interesting conversation with Matthew and Garrett Weaver of the
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baseball card General Manager Game, and they invented the game.
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I'll let you play with your own baseball cards of
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any sort could be you know, pre War. As long
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as there's stats on the back, you can use them,
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and you can build your own teams, you can create
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your own matchups and just really cool. And I really
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do believe most baseball card collectors played some sort of
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baseball game, whether it be straight o Matic or the
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show on you know, PlayStation or you know Nintendo or wherever.
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I think a lot of us are collectors because we're
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baseball fans. Sure that's not one hundred percent. I know
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it's not one hundred percent, but I think that percentage
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is high. And So Matt and Garrett are back this
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week part two of that conversation about how they came
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up with this great game that can be played by
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anyone with any cards with stats on it. So we're
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about to start for part two. If you didn't catch
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part weren't one, you're only.
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A week behind.
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Just go back a week and check that out as well.
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You know, I get it. I'm a teaching at high
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school level, and you know, we got Nintendo switches and
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all these other systems. But I love a great board game, right.
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They never a really great board game never goes out
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of style, right, Monopoly comes to mind. But then when
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you factor in like sports or in this case baseball
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in a board game and the fact that you you
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cared enough guys right to to do twenty like go
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through twenty versions to you were like satisfied with like, hey,
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this gives the best realistic feel to the game that
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I mean that to me, that just shows how much
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you care about that, how much pride you put into
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that that final product. You know, with twenty versions, like
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from going from one to the next, is it like
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the day or it depends on what you're tweaking.
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Well, sometimes it might be that one of that versions
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may last in a week, because it all depends howvy
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times we got to test it.
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Sometimes we do print it out the next day.
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So I mean, it really was that was six months
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of the journey, literally just a piece of paper with
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that grid. More than six months and that was it.
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And that was just us rolling dice and put it
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on the table. We didn't have anything else because we
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didn't think we needed it. And you know, I didn't
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play Stratomatic as a kid, or I don't and you
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know Garrett doesn't obviously, but that's sort of we did
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want to be I felt like it was important enough
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that the stats were replicating enough that those kinds of
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folks could be okay, could appreciate it, right, Like it's
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not a perfect simulator, but we like there's enough ever
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put in. They go, look, that's true enough to the
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game that makes you feel like I'm getting it's not
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just a made up game. There really is something there,
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you know. And you say about board games, it's you know,
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you're right with so much of Nintendo and Major League
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and the show and all this other stuff going on,
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Like we call this sort of like an analog analog
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fantasy games, you know, like and it's good old fashioned
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family time.
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We play it in the morning.
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Where we go to school, because what do you do
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between six o'clock when he wakes up and seven thirty?
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We had to get out the door.
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Oh, let's play a game of baseball card GM. It's
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not watching TV, it's not playing a video game, but
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you're learning and about baseball and using all the baseball stats.
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So it is it's like fantasy baseball mets fantasy baseball
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meets meets video games meets actual baseball cards in history, right, like,
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and you're looking apart from the person and they hit
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a home run and he rolls a home run role
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and you walk it off in the ninth and.
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You go, oh my god, I can't believe that happens.
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But that's the fun. It's the like, oh, you just
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stole a base to you know, get out of a
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double play.
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Ah, like you know, that's those moments. It's just like
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real baseball. It's like that.
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So speaking, you mentioned stolen bases, So how does that way?
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I don't want to give away all the secrets. Secrets,
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but do you have to declare like I want him
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to steal and then you roll to find out the
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outcome of the attempt.
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Yeah, say like I want to attempt to steal with.
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Oh, don't worry about it. It doesn't.
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So you'll say I want to I want to say
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steal the Rickey Henderson and instead Tim Ranks rock Rains.
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There you got you steal rock Rains and you're playing
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when rock Rains. You were playing with nineteen nineteen eighty
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three Rock Rains and he had hewmy stolen basis, he
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had ninety stolen bases. So we have on the board
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is look if you steal, if you stole zero to
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ten bases, say what you're going to be You have
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to roll one and two to be safe, otherwise you're out.
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So the odds roll.
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If you roll a six, you're out and that's it.
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Right.
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So for Rock, because he had so many stolen bases,
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his cutoff means he's gonna be safe five out of
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six times he's gonna be So it presses down so
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you can seal with someone who doesn't see a lot
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of bases. Just the odds are you're probably more likely
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to get out than not.
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Yeah. So in other words, where I'm gonna if John
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Cruk's on first base, you're probably not sending.
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Now he's probably gonna be out. More likely or not,
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he's gonna be out. You know, you want to send
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many dices for you don't want to send John Cruck.
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I huge Kruck because I still play men's competitive softball
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and that's like my softball nicknack like Ruki. So when
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I'm playing, you know, when I'm in full uniform and
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the whole nine. But he was you know, listen, I
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know he still does some broadcasting, and uh, he's a
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he's a Philly's legend, just just his antic. He was
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the heck of a header he's three hundred. But you know,
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everyone remembers like the Randy Johnson that bad and like
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all that funnies, and he's a hilarious guy. The guy was.
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He didn't look like me, he didn't have that body
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type that makes you think baseball player, but he can hit.
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So yeah, you know we love I.
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Mean, first, you know he was.
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He was the guy came up with the expression, l A,
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I'm not a I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player.
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Right, that was the joke.
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The joke was that because you know, he's not he's
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not a baseball he's not an athlete basball player. But
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you know all of the stuff that goes into when
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you look at cards, and Garrett opens up those old
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cards from the eighties, nineties, even from the set. You know,
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those seventies guys, and they got the big old mustaches
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and the mutton shots and the afros and and and
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the you know, the and the mullets and they go
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and you look at him, go, this is just that was.
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Just the seventies.
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Yeah, discussed or the fingers. You know, mustaches like those
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are all part of the suit. There's so much in
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a baseball card.
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And you learn, right, you learn all that fun stuff,
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right that even beyond the stats, right from using the cards,
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you get to know what these guys look like or
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their styles. Uh. And and some of those styles no
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longer exists, some of them do, or some of them
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are are tweaked, tweaked a little bit. If you see
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Raleigh today, he's still got the mustache. And so, yeah,
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so he's not giving it. He's not giving it up.
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That's like his that's like his trademark. So and I
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actually met him a few years back at Cooperstown by
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the way, So a really nice guy. But I love
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that about the game because there's so much there's so
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much positive to it, right, the educational part, the the
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learning what these guys did, what they look like. And
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then and then it's your own game, right, you're bringing
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your card. So it's promoting the hobby too, because you
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can bring if you want to go new school and
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use today's baseball players, or you want to go old
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school and use yesteryear's or a combination of both. Right,
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you've got so many you can go and whatever direction
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you want to go with it. And and again, when
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we talk about some of those previous games, right, you
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didn't have that option. You only can play with what
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they gave you, and then those parameters were sort of
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very Yeah.
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Yeah, is part of I think what kids really appreciate
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about it is that fantasy freedom of being really to
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mix it, do whatever you want, how you want to do.
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And what I like about it so far as making
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use of cards is you know, it's not It's not
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about chasing signatures and autos and one on one because
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those cards don't have stats.
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It's the bulk common use, the race cards.
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Yeah, it's the pace cards.
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Cards, the core set, you know, the thing that people
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just love and collect, the core set, basic common cards.
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I love my career the rookie.
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A rookie card doesn't have the stats. I don't want that.
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I don't need the seven hundred dollars card. I need
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the seventy cent card. Sometimes there are a couple of months.
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But when we go to card, when we go to
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a card show or a card shop, what we liked,
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we we're hitting those fifty cent racks.
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Yeah, because I only saw one of these.
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We want those, We want those, we want those.
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We would to find that like lou Gary Recreation card
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because yeah, it's worth nothing to you, but it had
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the twenty seven stats on in the twenty seven stats
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are great for the.
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Game, you know, like he's the best player on the.
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Blue Gary nineteen twenty seven so far in that because
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he in that year he max max.
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He's one off walks, one off walks.
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But that was one of the greatest seasons in baseball history.
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Yeah, we actually have that in the content collection twenty
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seven Yankees.
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Yeah, and the sixteen Braves, I mean Red Sox with
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sort of that idea that you're you're finding new value
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and those sort of cards that a lot of people
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just think are Yeah.
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No, I love that. I love that aspect. I think
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there's just so many positives from again, education, making those
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base cards matter, the fun of it. Right, you can
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bring your own cards. You're not like in that box
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where you're at the mercy of the game manufacturer. You
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can bring your own line up. I love it.
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So, Garrett, are you a baseball player yourself?
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Oh yeah, yeah?
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So is that something like teammates and you have played
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or not or not yet?
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some tournaments, mid games yet in the ye I don't know.
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I don't know if the coach would be a big fan.
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Probably not. Not a good thing for the coach. Yeah,
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if you're doing.
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Hey, Garrett, you're up. You gotta put what do.
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You mean, I gotta roll?
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It's it's it's it's great for for tournament baseball kids
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or your baseball kids. You got the long days and
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you and you say you had three hours in between
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a game.
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We've had.
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We've had kids roll out the game. They bring their
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cards everywhere, kids bring their cards every year.
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Two. There's another part just from this time, from this
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conversation to right, that builds chemistry anytime you do like
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I listen, I'm a baseball kid. I still play men's
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softball and I played travel back in my day and
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my hey day. Right, And you build natural chemistry from
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from playing the season with your teammates. Right. But I
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think you even build or chemistry when you're doing like
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non baseball playing stuff besides them, like the games on
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the field are what they are. You that just builds
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natural chemistry. I think you get you become tighter net
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when you're doing stuff other than you know, baseball on
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the field, Like even in the big leagues. Right in
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the clubhouse, they're playing poker or card games or what
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have you, Right, and they're building that sort of uh
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rapport with each other in chemistry.
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Right.
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So I think this is another thing right you mentioned
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like families playing this together. Right, doesn't have to just
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be Little League baseball teams or high school but that's great.
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I love that aspect. So there's just so many different
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positives to it. Guy, that guys that you probably weren't
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thinking about all of them at the time when you
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were when you were designing this actually curve.
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Right, That's exactly what happened, you know, That's exactly right.
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We were just trying. We had a very simple question, how
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do I play by baseball cards? And we and we
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solved it. And what's happened now is people have taken
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onto it and realized these other things, right the nostalgia
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element and opening old packs and rediscovery. Or man, I'm
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spending time with my kids again and I'm getting them
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off TV and I'll video games and I'm playing games
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with them again. Or man, I'm doing this as a
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unity thing for teammates, or I'm taking them to schools.
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A school right here in our in our area bought
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a few games TPS. They bought they bought a few
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games and they're doing there for middle school and they're
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doing they're doing a little class on it because they're
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learning learning statistics. It just it just it fits into
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so many different worlds and any joby is like any
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joy we can give is great.
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You know whatever that check you go for it, Yeah,
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checks a lot of boxes, guys. It just has so
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many positives and really zero negatives as far as I'm
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I'm concerned. And like you mentioned statistics, like you can
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go to college and get a PhD in statistics. Uh,
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you know, the hobby has someone who's very famous for
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that and doctor James Beckett, so you know, so there's
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there's just so many different great things with it, right,
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And so kudos to you guys for again you know
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it's easy. Like I don't want to say it's not easy,
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but you could have made one version and said hey,
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here's our here's our game, right, but you cared enough
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to say, hey, we want to we want to make
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the best game we can make, and if it takes
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twenty versions of twenty drafts, then so be it. And
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then here here it is. Right, and you know, you're
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at a little league game and the rains come and
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you gotta get underneath the you know, the awning right,
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break out, the break out the game and until the
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rain delay is over. The rain won't stop that game
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unless it's really windy. But so like how it I mean,
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I can even see this like you know, you see
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like some of the who know we've talked about Pokemon
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earlier or Magic together, they have like tournaments. Is that
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something maybe you hope to see what this game is,
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maybe have some like tournament level.
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but like competitively, I wouldn't say enough.
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No, you don't know yet.
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I think what it because it does feel so much
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like a TCG because you are on a play Man
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and you're playing out your cards and you're bringing your
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collections or you're cracking new packs, you're drafting. It's really
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right for that kind of competitive environment where people really
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do you know, you pay in and you grab some
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packs and maybe you anti up your best card.
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You know, whoever wins gets that card. But it would
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be great to have that world where you own you
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owned a card shop. Maybe not in you know, back
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in your day maybe Pokemon and Magic gathering work white
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coming on now, but now you go to a card
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shop it's always the sports card folks in the front
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counters and then all the people to play magic or football,
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and you throw a look over and go, I know
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what they're into.
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I have no idea what their world is like, what's
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going on with them, But the world's could collide because
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card shops they have them both.
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And they want to have both.
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If you have the room, if you're a card shop
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and you have the room to make both sides of
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the isle happy happy, right, have a have a whatever
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uh uh, you know, nonsports trading card game tournament, and
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have the you know, the general manager baseball tournament. Have
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them at the same time, right, Yeah, And it really
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shows both sides, like, hey, there's room for everybody that
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you're that sort of of camaraderie. Well listen, well let
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me ask you that one more question before we kind
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of you know, and I know you guys are baseball
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at heart. Has has doing this? Has a light bulb
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come on? Maybe to make a football version, a basketball
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hockey or something.
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You know, it has came up, But it's the stats
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are not physically well, it's possible because it's like really
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difficult to them do actions.
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Right, Yeah, out of baseball so literal. The stat is literal.
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It's like, oh, I hit a triple and what happens
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He goes the third and that guy moves it over.
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Whereas basketball cars it's like you shot a shot, or
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you shot a shot and.
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How do you work like passing in there they know what?
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Or hockey yeah yeah, again it's.
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You know, it's like it does not conducive.
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It's not condesive to how you would do how specifically
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how the game works.
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But maybe it makes baseball so unique.
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It's like all those stats on the car earlier and
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you very specific things that you can almost picture your head.
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And believe me, people ask all the time. You're not
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the first people say, oh man, you should make this
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for hockey cards, and maybe we do.
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I don't know the way I think.
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I think it's just sort of that, you know, you
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don't really well, it's just like, doesn't it's not the
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way those sports work. You know, where you lay up
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the lineup and you have sort of that one on
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one nature of it.
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Yeah, baseball really is more designed for this kind of
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game than some of the other sports. I'd probably put
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football as probably the the next thing if you were
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to do another one. Football maybe could be done because
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you if you're the quarterback, if you're you could say, hey,
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I'm going to hand it off to this running back
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and then see what the outcome is or I'm going
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to pass and then you know that sort of.
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Thing, you see, right, how far it goes?
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Yeah, and baseball. But baseball, even though it's it's nine
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v nine, it's really one versus one in the moment
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that picture is the better. And then what depending on
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what where the balls and play, that's when everyone else
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comes into focus. So it makes more sense to you
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know what I mean to do it with baseball play
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it plays a lot easier, smoother, and that's right, I
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get it. But something that think about maybe a football
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I would if I'm ranking them in terms of like
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what would be a different sport that could be possible?
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I probably football as number two after that because you
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you are as the quarterback or the coach in the
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sense you determine like, hey we're gonna pass on this plate.
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Second and nine, we're passing, it's third and one we're running,
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you know, and that sort of thing. So but again
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you know, to to come up with it, come up
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with that guys, and to do it to that level
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with that attention etails. Uh, kudos to you guys for
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for putting in the work and UH love to see it.
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Love the fact that you know, in this digital age
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right wherever you know, and I get it, but that
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kids are on their their game systems a lot or
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their phones, right, that we can still have things like
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this and and keep our attention. And then again, you know,
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be educational at the same time as fun. Right, A
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lot of times we a state education in fun are
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like two separate things, but they can they can be
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both and I think this game will checks off both boxes.
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So congrats guys. As always, I give out, I give
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the guests sort of the final word. Where people can
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pick up the game, websites, social media, anything you want
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you want to direct people to take your time and
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get that inforation to buy.
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To get to our website, it's www dot baseball, CARGN
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dot com.
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That simple. That's where you can buy it online and
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we ship.
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We've shipped all over America literally, yes, we've We've sold
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to not only every state in the United States, we've
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also sold online. We've also sold to Australia, Canada, England
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were Yeah, and you know, I guess there's baseball fans
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in Australia. I know there's something because they they got
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the World Baseball Plastic Team.
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So I think baseball is becoming and I mean already
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ads a national game, we got to WBC, but as
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we see more of these players right make an impact
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here and become Hall of Famers or All Stars, I
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think it's becoming even more so. Right even in countries
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like you said, obviously Dominican Republic, Cuba, Latin America. But
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even and there's been many, there's been double digit pros
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from Australia and other countries, right, So I think it's growing, right. Uh.
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And as as baseball grows, I think the demand for
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your game will will grow right along with it. So uh,
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if for anyone that miss where you can get the game,
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it'll be in the episode notes as well. So if
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you miss that, just click click there and it'll take
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you to to the game site.
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Uh.
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And it sounds like a great game, guys, And again,
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kudos to you and thanks for making some time for
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us here. And uh, uh you know it's it's you know,
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it's part of the hobby because we're using real baseball cards.
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So you're it's the game is is a hopefully becomes
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a hobby staple and part of the.
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That would be such a delight for us to think
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that we made some sort of impact on it.
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And if just in a little.
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Way being you know, taking a new joy out of
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something you already owned and a little extra something out
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of it would be awesome like that that would really
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bring a lot of joy to our arts. That people
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could use baseball cards in a new joys way.
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You know, it gives them a second life, like we
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talk about some of those It gives them a second life, right,
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and that's always always good. Well, thanks guys, thank you.
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All right, once again, thank you to Matthew and Garrett Weaver,
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creators of Baseball Card General Manager, thirty five Bucks. The
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websites in the show notes. If you want to grab
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yourself a game, it can be played you know, on
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the road, at home. You know, at a card show.
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Doesn't take up a ton of space, just a small
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table and you know, if you're a baseball fan or
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car collector, you can use your cards. It's how cool
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is that? So check out what they're doing. The game's
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already won a few awards already and I think it's great.
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So check out their creation, which I think will provide
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some family entertainment.
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Time for all the people.
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Announcer of the Weege.
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This is Rob Patroso from rally Ormind you that the
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hobby is the people. It's not any corporations or breaks,
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it's not even fractional companies, it's not any of that.
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It's people and the people that make collecting great and
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make it what it is.
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If you'd like to be the hobby is the people
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announcer of the week, do a one or MP three
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file and send it to Sportscard Nation PC at gmail
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dot com.
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Sega Night Kane
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