May 22, 2026

Nick Barton/MeanDaddy Cards "Giving Back to the Community" E389

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Sports guard Nations Hobbies, the People, Wheely News and Interviews.

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It's yon number one soul sports Gardations hobby is the people.

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Sports Gardation. What is up? Everybody?

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Welcome to episode three eighty nine of sports Card Nation.

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Happy to be back as always wanted. Right off the top,

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tank our sponsors, Iron sports Cards, Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby, Hotline,

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upper Deck and a new sponsor will be joining us

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very soon here so excited for that. Got a great guest.

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I read about this guest or heard about discussing what

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he was doing with some shows and kind of what

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he was about. Did not know him whatsoever. I've gotten

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to know him a little bit since having, you know,

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recording this conversation with him. But he's doing things, you know,

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if you know what I do before my nine to five,

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if you will, I work with special education as a

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teaching assistant, so you know, kids on the spectrum and

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that sort of thing I'm very familiar with. And this

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gentleman is doing a show and this is not all

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he's doing, but it's the one thing that stood out.

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He's doing a show believed to be the first show

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ever geared towards you know, folks, with disabilities and things

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that make it tough to go to a regular show,

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if you will. So his name is Nick Barton. He

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goes under the business name or DBA as Mean Daddy

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Sports Cards and he's the furthest thing from mean And

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if you listen to the episode, you'll find out where

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to Mean Daddy actually came from. But he's not mean.

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He's actually doing some great things in the hobby. And

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you know me, I always like to highlight and spotlight

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that as much as possible, So I reached out to Nick.

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He agreed to come on and this week and next

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episode we will have that those conversations, which I think

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you'll find enjoyable. So with that being said, let's get

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the show started, all.

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Right, real excited to have the guests on.

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In the Sportscard Nation guest line that I have, he's

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doing some big things, and he's doing some big things

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kids in mind, and that's really important to me as

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someone who got started in the hobby as a seven

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year old kid many many moons ago.

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Scary to say, but it is what it is.

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But I'm happy to be joined by Nick Barton, me

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and Daddy Carts.

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Welcome, sir, Hey, thanks for having me, John, appreciate it,

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looking forward to hanging out.

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Yeah, again, thank you. I know you're a busy guy

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making some time for us. And another thank you to

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I know you served this country in the military, so

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thank you for your service there as well.

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Hey, thank you for your support. I appreciate that. Thank you.

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So, you know, anytime someone first comes on the show,

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and you know, I have people back on, but the

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first time anyone's on, I know, it's kind of our

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standard startup podcast question, like when and how did the

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hobby start?

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All right, that's a great question. Yeah, So I started

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out as a collector really really young, probably four or five.

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My grandfather was big into collecting, as was his father,

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my great grandfather. So my grandfather used to bring me like, yeah,

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I don't know if you remember km Art or if

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there was a k art in your area, but there

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was a Camart near our house. My grandfather used to

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get blaster boxes from Kmart once in a while and

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bring them over and I always loved opening them and

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I loved looking for like Phillies players, Eagles players that

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we watched together on TV. And that was one of

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the many things we bonded over and then he started

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passing some stuff down to me. I have like an

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autograph football by the first Eagles team to ever go

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to a Super Bowl. I have a Peyton Manning football

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I think is behind me here from his draft days.

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This stuff like that. That that was really special and

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not only cemented that bond with my grandfather, but also

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just my love for collecting in the hobby and sports.

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And that's that's how I got started.

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Yeah, and I loved that. For me, it was my

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grandfather as well.

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I'm a New York City kid originally now in Syracuse,

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and you know, going to that corner store and I

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would like you, I was a sports ca and so

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I knew about sports.

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And then I learned like, hey, they make.

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These athletes and players on cardboards and cards and the

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rest is history. You know, as a seven year old

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kid in nineteen seventy nine with nineteen seventy nine tops pack,

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you know, I think the fourth or fifth card in

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was a Reggie and the rest is history. And so,

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you know, I love those family bonds and the nostalgia

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aspect of it. I know you have two young kids

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of your own, are they old enough to participate in

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the hobby at this point.

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Yeah, so my son's four and he has started they

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start out Pokemon, so I'm learning. I guess I collected

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them when I was a kid too, because I was

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a kid in nineties, early two thousands. Yeah, so I

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collected him, and now I'm gonna do it again with him,

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which is really awesome because I get to see the

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joy in his face.

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He loves up in packs.

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He just he's funny to chase. Charmander and chars are

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those are his two favorites. So it's a lot of

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fun just getting to see him kind of live that.

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And I'm getting to live it now as the as

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the father. You know, I already lived as a kid obviously.

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And then my daughter is nine months old. She's not

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quite ready yet, but she does like chew on cards

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occasionally so she can get her hand on.

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Yeah, my dog likes to do that. My son's twenty six,

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so he doesn't do that anymore.

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But no, that's that's funny.

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But uh yeah, and again you know those stories of

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right sharing the hobby with loved ones, whether it be

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sons or daughters.

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Grandson, uncles.

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Really you know, maybe maybe stories are similar, but they're

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not always exactly alike, so you can correct.

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Me if you're wrong. I know you kind of touched

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down it already kind of when you started.

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When you are kid, you were pretty much like heavy

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into like the local, like your Philly heroes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead, No, I was just I

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always yeah, I always collected like local Philly guys. I

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actually so, my grandfather is kind of like bad from

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a kid from Philly. But like my grandfather loved Derek Jeter,

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so I grew up loving to watch Derek Jeter. Just

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that him and Chase Eltley were my two favorite baseball players,

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and I just I loved how hard they played. There

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was never they never took a day off. They played

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every game. They put their bodies in the line. They

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you know, I just I loved how they played the game,

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and I always tried to emulate that as a kid,

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and for as long as I could play sports. Obviously

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I was not a pro athlete, so I didn't quite

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make it there. But but yeah, I used to collect

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like Jeter cards, Mickey Moore and Deani was one of

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our favorite players. I love Brian Dawkins. Uh yeah, so

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a lot a lot of Philly heavy players with a

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couple other guys mixed in that we just we loved

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to watch, whether they were you know, a lot of

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them just hard, those guys not necessarily Hall of famers, But.

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Yeah, I take it chose you know, probably a little

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bit of your own personal work, that work ethic that

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you you gravit taate towards guys like that who you know, hustle,

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play in, play out, don't take days off, maybe even

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play hurt where others wouldn't.

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Right, I'm I feel that I'm like that myself.

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And you know it's a different error now, right, especially

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when we look at like the NBA with with load management,

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and I think, you know what with like someone buying tickets,

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you know, a dad buying tickets let's say, to take

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his son to a Lakers game to see like.

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Lebron before he retires.

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Here, and and he took a night off, right, and

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for what that night might cost with tickets and travel

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and and all that that goes along with it. Right,

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we didn't have to worry too much during our error,

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even though I'm a little older than you, but even

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during your error coming after mine, Right, these guys, a

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lot of them, or most of them played as long as,

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you know, as long as they could get on the

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field or the court they played, and that era.

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Sort of getting that era.

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And that mentality is sort of kind of we're seeing

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less of it in today's day and age. It is

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what it is, but you know, I appreciate kind of

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the era I grew up with where that wasn't so much.

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The case as we see it now.

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So I get the Jeter thing, even, like you said,

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being a Philly guy, and even even me being a

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New York City kid, you know, I had players that

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weren't Mets or Yankees. Let's say that I was fans of,

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you know, even even growing up, like you know, a

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guy like Ken Griffy Junior was a guy I followed

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a lot, just not necessarily Mariners fan, but just a

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guy would run through a wall, play defense and could

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hit right five tool, could run especially pre injuries.

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And just had fun playing the game right hat backwards.

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Blowing bubble gum bubbles, and you know, just you could

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tell like he probably would have did it free if

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there wasn't a paycheck involved. And you know, as we

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both know, you know, played during an error where steroids

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and you know, performance enhancing drugs became an issue, but

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yet his name was never mentioned. He was never in

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any allegations. And when you look up his numbers, nick

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for what he did during that era, all naturalmo. You know,

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like even all the more impressive to me. So to

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this day, Like even as a show dealer, you know,

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I always try to pick up Griffy cards that have available.

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I think he's one of those guys that still transcends.

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I can go from one error to the next, and

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even even kids today, even though most of them still

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know who Ken Griffey Jr. Is, even though they may

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not have been alive during his active year.

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So I appreciate guys like that. So I get it.

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You can go off your favorite team if if you

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admire a player for whatever reason. You know, I kind

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of mentioned Griffy, but for there's really no wrong reason.

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If it moves, it moves your meaner. So I get that.

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You know, to talk about the nostalgia factory, right, you

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talked about you know, with your you know, grand your

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grandfather and now with your own kids and doing shows. Right,

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we'll get into that even a little bit more. But

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sometimes I think you know, the older the older folks

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in the hobby. We most likely were introduced to the

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hobby by someone older, whether it be a relative, a friend,

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whatever the case may be.

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Uh, And I still think that happens.

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I don't think that's a long start, but I think

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it's less prevalent now because of some dollar signs and

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maybe people in there for different reasons. But I love

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that nostalgia part of the hobby where you know, I

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remember were in nineteen seventy nine, in those first three

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packs of seventy nine baseball kind of talk about you know,

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with your own family and then now as a dad yourself,

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you know the importance of that.

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Yeah, definitely, I mean I think that actually, know, I

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want to say one thing first. You mentioned Rafy, just

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to touch back on that real quick. You know, like

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obviously I grew up in Philly, and you know what,

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we were all still running around with our hats on backwards,

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trying to emulate his beautiful, perfect swing and you know,

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blowing bubble like he affected kids across the country. Yeah,

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and I think that's that ties in with the nostalgia

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and some of these guys. You know, all those guys

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are my age now, you know, we have kids and

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they have their you know, they have their favorite players

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and stuff like that. But I think that it's it's

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really cool, how you know, people don't realize that these

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athletes can really change people's lives. And then as far

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as the nostalgia with the collecting goes, I mean, that's

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one of the big reasons I started this. I've always

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loved collecting. I knew that when my obviously my son's older,

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my daughter and my son got old enough, hopefully he'd

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like it too, and I would introduce him to that.

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But I also had a lot of other friends and

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people are my age that are having kids and neighbors

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and their kids were you know, interested in Pokemon or whatever.

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And some some people collected as a kid and stop.

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Some people opened Pokemon cards they're a kid and then

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never touched them again, mom threw them out or whatever.

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And I was getting a lot of questions because people

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knew that I've always collected and stuff like that. And

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you know, the first thing you do if you go

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on Instagram and Google, you know, sports cars or card collecting,

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You're going to see twenty thousand dollars deals, forty thousand

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dollar deals, and the average person is going to look

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at that and say, yeah, this isn't I can't find it,

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Like I don't have that kind of extra money laning around,

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and it's just not the case in my opinion. You

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don't have to, you know, there's I don't even like.

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That's not my leane. I like to collect guys that

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I like and car like. For example, I love Stadium Club.

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I think they're some of the best looking baseball cards,

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and I know they're not worth the most, but I

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don't care. I think they're The photography is great.

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And yeah, you're we're really cut from the same clock.

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Not to cut you off, neck like, Stadium Club is

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one of my favorite brands of all time too, just

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like you said, with the photography and the gloss, and

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it's just you know, much like the name implies, right,

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Stadium Club. You feel like with that photography, you feel like,

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you know, you're at the game with a lot of

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the action shots and the close ups and that sort

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of thing. So yeah, I echo, I echo that Stadium

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Club sentiment. But sorry to cut you off, but I

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definitely wanted to wave that pennant to with with you.

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No, I am glad there's there's there's other Stadium clubers

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out there that nothing there's nothing like hitting like the

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members only or something so fun to hit.

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Yeah, first day issues like it's it's well put and

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I'm glad it's still around, right and in the time

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where we're seeing some brands, you know, be discontinued and now,

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you know, with with the licenseeing and all that, Stadium

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Clubs has kind of stood the test of time and

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I'm glad to see and they you know, they may

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it's a minor change, it changes with it, Nick, but

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it's really pretty similar to the Stadium club we grew

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up on.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely, Yeah, I'm a huge fan of that particular like set,

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I just I really love everything about it. And some

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of the photography is amazing, like the specifically, one of

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the newer ones people might have seen is the Vladig

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Guerrero Junior with the Toronto like space needle in the background.

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Yeah, that's just that's cool.

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There's so many cool, cool ones with that. But yeah,

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I mean a lot, like I said, I grew up

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to never had anything to do with the value of

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the cards, Like I wanted to collect players that I liked,

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and like Halftime, I didn't even know if it was

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a rookie card or like I was just excited if

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I got a Mickey Morindini card or you know whatever.

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And I want people to be able to experience that,

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both parents and children. And I don't want people to

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be discouraged because they feel like they can't afford it.

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And that's, like I said, that's one of the reasons

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why I started Me and Daddy Cards. I just figured

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it could be a good place to hopefully encourage others

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to kind of join this awesome community that has done

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a lot for me in my life. Topletely honest and yeah,

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I just I wanted to let people know have a

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place to go to when they go out on Instagram

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or whatever to see that like you can, you know,

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go to a card show for if we give away

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a lot of tickets to card shows, like sometimes you

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can go for free and then you can take a

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twenty dollars bill to a card show and have a

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blast hunting value bins and stuff like that. It's not

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it's not about the monetary value of the card. Find

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people that you and your child like to watch on

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TV in real life, or you know, maybe someone that

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was special to you growing up as a kid like

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a Kangriffy Junior, and that could be the way that

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you introduce your child to who Kangricky Junior is. There's

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just there's endless possibilities with that.

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Yeah, no doubt. We're very well said neck too right.

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For every expensive Can Griffy Junior garden and there are

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expensive Kendrick and I'm using him as example because we're

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both talking about him. You can buy Ken Griffy Junior

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cards for a dollar. Ken Griffy in your cards, as

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you just said, in value boxes and dollar boxes. So

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not every Ken Griffy Junior card is unobtainable, and you

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could get even you know, everyone thinks about the eighty

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nine upper deck right, his eighty nine fleeers eighty nine dollars.

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Radio Rookie can be had for between three and seven.

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Bucks at some shows.

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So even even a young kid who getting into Griffy

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or learning about them or through a relative or a

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friend that's let them know about him, even they could

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still get a rookie card in this particular case with

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this particular athlete.

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You know, I know that's a big topic in the

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hobby that you know, the pricing and what things are

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going for are sort of pricing kids out of the hobby.

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Now I agree it doesn't. I think there's some truth

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to that. But still, if a kid really wants to

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to enjoy the hobby, there's ways to do it. Much

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like you said, you know, bargain bins, dollar bins. I

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know myself as a dealer, Nick, I usually have free

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packs with me. At every show a kid comes up

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to my table, I try to give them a free

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pack when I have them available, and so there's.

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Always I never and I hope it never happens.

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But the hobby, I think can be enjoyed by everyone.

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It's just different ways to do it. I'm kind of touch.

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I know you talked a little bit about it already

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with the bargain boxes and things. But you know, as

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a dad, like you said, a nine year old and

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doing shows, you know, what are ways where a kid

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can still participate be active in the hobby? And you know,

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and you know, we talk about those five figure deals

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and six figure deals, you know, and people like to

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talk about them, But like you said earlier, it's really

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a small percentage of the overall hobby, right, might make

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it might make.

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More news and more and more noise in.

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The kitchen, but it's probably you know, ten percent of

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the hobby, maybe even less.

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We just hear about it a lot.

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So for someone like yourself and as a dealer, as

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a dad of a kid that collects, what are you

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know if someone asked you, hey, what advice would you

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give more for myself on her daughter is still participating

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in the hobby. You know, we're on a we don't

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have a ton of discussionary income, So how can we

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do it? Like, how how would you answer the question?

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I know we mentioned bargain bins and stuff like that.

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But even in addition to that.

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Yeah, I think there's a lot of ways. One of

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the things you mentioned. As a vendor, I do the

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same thing. I have packs that I that I give

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away for free when I can. I also I started

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to give away like just individual cards to people as

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the kids as they come up, which was like their

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first card show whatever. And the hobby community, some people

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have been buying my table at my table to overhear that,

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and I have people just donate card and say, hey,

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give this to the next kid that comes up. And

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I literally now have a huge stack of cards. And

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when kids come up and say, hey, you know what

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team do you like or you know, take a look

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at these cards and pick a card so you can

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remember your first show.

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Stuff like that.

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I think that that all of us as a whole

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can can help these kids and and give, you know,

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give cards to them just to help start their collection.

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You bins obviously are a good option. One thing I

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would tell parents specifically is, you know, when kids are

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getting it, don't make it be about value. Make it

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be about the card. I like the photography. I like

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the special jersey they're wearing. You know, they're wearing a

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city Connect Jersey. Is that a regular run or whatever

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find cards that are in your budget but also meaningful

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and maybe even rare, because there are rare cards that

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are not that expensive of players, great players and not

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so great players, and really like the the hunt to

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me is fun. It really means a lot more when

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like you really had to put in a lot of

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work to track down a certain card at a certain price,

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you know, you go and get it. And I would

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also say, don't worry about greeting. You know, obviously a

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PSA ten is worth more than anything anything else, pretty

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much having like a black label. But I don't like,

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you don't have to get pristine. Just because somebody says

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this card is pristine doesn't mean that that's gospel or

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that's law, you know what I mean. So I think

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like those things are are definitely a good way. I

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think that the one thing where people that say kids

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are getting priced out is tough, as with just the

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prices of the car, like the packs on open sealed

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wax and and but part of that is too is

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that they do make sets that are that are cheaper

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to acquire, like Score Football for example. So it just depends.

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I mean, I think if you make it less about

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what the value of the cards are and more about

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the player or some special reason that you know, like

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some some cards have celebrities in the backgroundstures and stands

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or whatever. So you know, just find find something that's meaningful.

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And if you collect things that are meaningful, you'll never

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get tired of them, and you don't have to worry

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about what the value is because they mean something.

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To Yeah, no doubt and well said. And you know,

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even hearing you talk about that, I've done that too, right.

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A kid will uh uh, We'll come with a parent

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and you know they're looking and I'll be like, uh,

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you know, who are you looking for anything in particular?

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And the kid might, hey, my favorite player so and so,

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and you know, I'll find a card somewhere in my

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inventory and hand it to them, and you know, sometimes

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it'd be like how much is it? I'll being like, no,

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I'm that's that's my gift to you today, and you know,

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enjoy the hobby and that sort of thing. And it

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doesn't let like you like, you know, I know I'm

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preaching an a choir here, Nick, It doesn't obviously hurt me.

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And that could be the difference. Not to be dramatic,

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but those kind of moments can be the difference whether

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that young person like stays in the hobby or doesn't

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right and pays it forward as they get older and

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stay in the hobby and have more discretionary income as

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as they get older and they can pay that forward

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as well. I love to do that as much as

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I can. I think we're seeing more of that. I

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think some of that is contagious. Another point you made,

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which I think is a good one. I think it's

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on the card manufacturers and especially tops and fanatics now

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with holding three of the four or major sport license

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right to still make products that are affordable, uh to

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the younger collectors that may not have the money of

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an older person who has a job. And you know,

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even even even those folks are having sometimes purchasing some

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of these these wax products as they go past four

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figures or even in some cases five figures with some

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of your higher brands like Transcendent and and.

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Those those sort of things.

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So I hope they keep making those products where kids

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not only making them known that too, is making sure

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that they're not going to that secondary as much as

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they can control that not going to that secondary market,

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uh and keeping them affordable even on that level, you know,

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almost like SRP And really we don't want to see this.

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Selling for more than this. And you know, I know.

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Breaking is a big thing in the industry. Off I've

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said it numerous times for many years. Right, it's probably

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saved the wax industry, for there was a point where

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wax was not selling like we know it today and

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some things were collecting dust. Those that doesn't even occur

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anymore because anyone will people buying the brakes for bowling

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cards or corner like nothing does it like really not

481
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.759
sell along as the price point makes sense.

482
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.599
So you know, I like to see even maybe more breaks.

483
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.759
You know, I know some people might say this is sacrileges,

484
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.039
but really cheap ones where a kid can sort of

485
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:40.160
get that same you know, adrenaline rush and not break

486
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.559
the bank. But again, nothing beats opening the pack right

487
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.920
yourself and seeing those cards in your own hand. I

488
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.640
don't I don't think anything will replicate that. So I

489
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:52.759
think some of that, as you pointed out, is on

490
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.640
the card manufacturer to try to maintain that.

491
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.480
Yeah, definitely, I mean I agree with about like just

492
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:02.680
having the cards. There's something having the cards in your hand,

493
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.480
open the packs. I remember doing it as a kid,

494
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.839
even with like buddies. We get a couple dollars to

495
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.559
get in a ride to the you know, the car

496
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.799
local card shop and get a couple of packs, and

497
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.960
that was always a blast. I think that's an important thing.

498
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.400
You know, go go to your local card shops and

499
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.480
so you just talk to the guys that are in there,

500
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:24.279
and look, most card shops have you know, dollar box

501
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.559
in there as well as sealed wax from every level

502
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.240
and price point pretty much, and you can get what

503
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.240
works for you and get to open some packs. I mean,

504
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.200
the joy of opening a pack is up up there

505
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.000
for me for sure.

506
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.799
Yeah, I've said it, you know. To me, it's it's

507
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.000
how I got started again in nineteen seventy nine with

508
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.839
three seventy nine tops baseball packs and right just never

509
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.559
knowing what might come out of that pack. And listen,

510
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.759
I'm old enough where I started when there was no

511
00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:01.960
parallels and colored cards and beam teams and booms and downtowns. Right,

512
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:06.480
it was just base cards and rookie cards. And you know,

513
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.319
growing up in New York at that time. Reggie Jackson

514
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.400
was like the toast of New York, mister October, and

515
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.119
you know, pulling that card into first pack, like the

516
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.480
fourth or fifth card in and I was hooked.

517
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.359
The rest is the history.

518
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.519
You know, every if I got, you know, any allowance

519
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.119
I got, I went to that store and bought those packs.

520
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.680
And you know there's something to be said to you know. Yeah,

521
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.359
you can buy stuff online, you never have to leave

522
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.319
your house at eBay and other selling platforms, but nothing

523
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.480
can replace the inper I always say this, and I

524
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:44.359
think you'll agree, Nick, Nothing can replace that in person transaction,

525
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:47.920
whether that be at an LCS or a card show,

526
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.440
right where you have those conversations where you can learn

527
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.279
something from somebody.

528
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.079
And that's both ways. I learned stuff from somebody, and.

529
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.920
Then I may be be able to teach someone something

530
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.279
they didn't know, right, And we're always learning, right, And

531
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.359
I don't care how long you've been in the hobby,

532
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:09.279
and in my case, over forty years, I learned.

533
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.799
Something about the hobby every day. And much like you said, I.

534
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.640
Don't I don't deal with Pokemon Pokemon cards, but just

535
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.640
from being at the shows and talking to the kids,

536
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.960
and not even just kids, but even older people. I've

537
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.920
learned a lot about Pokemon cards. You know, nowhere is

538
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.000
knowledgeable as people who collect them. But I know more

539
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.119
today than I did two, three years ago or further back.

540
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.240
So you know, you don't get that, but you know

541
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.279
at home, behind the computer necessarily, there's something about that

542
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.400
in person, right, And if you're buying a card right,

543
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.119
seeing it right there in front of you to look

544
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.759
at it, and not looking at a picture and the

545
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.799
screen and hope that's the same card you get, and

546
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.559
there's no funny business going on, so nothing will to me,

547
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:58.880
nothing will ever replace, you know, if I have a

548
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.400
choice of buying this card or opening the same pack,

549
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.920
you know, in person or online, it's going to be

550
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.680
in person all the time, right.

551
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:10.799
You just can't.

552
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:18.000
You can't replace those social interactions and in person, you know, socialization,

553
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.240
And I think I think it's important that we don't

554
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.920
lose sight of that. Maybe I'm the old man on

555
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.599
the porch because that's all we had when I started.

556
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.920
There was no Internet in nineteen seventy nine, and obviously

557
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:36.799
no social media and no online platforms like we see today.

558
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:37.960
And I'm glad I kind.

559
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.799
Of got my I appreciate what we have now, but

560
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.039
I'm glad that I didn't start in there because I

561
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.039
think you appreciate it more because of that. So I

562
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.519
mean as a show guy, and you know, talk about

563
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.079
sort of that in person versus you know, kind of

564
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:57.240
much of what I just talked to touchdown.

565
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.400
Yeah, definitely, I mean may so I got to catch

566
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.200
the tail end of the no Internet era, you know,

567
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.880
obviously the nineties and stuff like that, so I have

568
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.799
some memory of it, but not nothing beats the in part,

569
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.000
and like that. The community is part of this, right,

570
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.839
getting to meet new people. I mean, I've met so

571
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.640
many awesome people just like that. Were randomly assigned a

572
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:18.640
table next to me and we just hit it off,

573
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.319
started talking, and that's been amazing. We had a guy

574
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.759
that we gave he won one of our contests for

575
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.480
giving away tickets to a show, and he ended up

576
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.119
coming to the show and come up to my table

577
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.000
and we were talking and he said, yeah, you know,

578
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.000
I've I always wanted to come to a show, but

579
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:36.960
this many people are you know, I feel overwhelmed and anxious.

580
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.640
But I figured that, like, hey, you know, I got

581
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.200
these tickets for free, Like let me go try it

582
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.799
down if I don't like it and nothing nothing lost,

583
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:44.759
And he's like, I'm having the best time, Like this

584
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.279
is gonna be something that I do regularly now, and that,

585
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.079
to me, that's so important. I never want to be

586
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.839
the readon that any person, a kid or an adult says,

587
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:55.880
you know what, that guy was a bad because I'd

588
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.599
never want to come to a card show. I want

589
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.880
to be the complete opposite of that. I want people

590
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.079
to have a good time and enjoy it and see

591
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:03.960
that there are good people. There's plenty of good people

592
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.920
in the hobby and everywhere, right, there's good and bad

593
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.640
people everywhere. But I want to try to be someone

594
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.039
that uh, you know, props up the hobby in this

595
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.240
community and wants more people to join it feel welcomed

596
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:16.599
and enjoy the ride.

597
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.599
That yeah, well said, and I agree. And there is

598
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.160
just some right being. And it's not even just applies

599
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.640
to the hobby that but no matter what different hobbies

600
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.759
you're in, or even even in work forces, right, being

601
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.359
in the room with people who kind of share the

602
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:38.920
same passions or likes that you have, right, it's you

603
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.680
feel like you're in the same fraternity.

604
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.480
You can't get that when you're in you can a

605
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:44.640
little bit. I don't want to.

606
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.160
Fully throw it out there out but being you know,

607
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.319
being in that same room at a card show, being

608
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:57.400
in that LCS with fellow customers and the proprietor right again,

609
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.359
loving having people on doan you know, I'll say it,

610
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.039
extraordinary things in the hobby. We didn't touch much on

611
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.680
that during this half of the conversation, but next week,

612
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.079
part two, we're gonna talk about the special show that

613
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.680
Nick and me and Daddy Sports Cards are putting on

614
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.640
and it's, you know, gonna be the first one of

615
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:24.119
its kind. I'll tease you with that. But a great guy,

616
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.079
glad he made some time. He's a busy, busy man

617
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.960
doing a lot of different things too. So Nick Barton

618
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.000
will have part two next week. Let's get our hobbies

619
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.359
are People Announcer of the week and come down the

620
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.400
home stretch and wrap up this week's episode.

621
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.079
Time for all.

622
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.119
Hobby is the people Announcer of the week.

623
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.839
Hey, it's Chris Carlin formerly from Upper Deck now with Collectors.

624
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.119
Remember the hobby is the people.

625
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.240
If you'd like to be the Hobby is the people

626
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.480
announcer of a week. To have one or MP three

627
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:09.000
file and send it to Sportscardination PC at gmail dot com.

628
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.079
Sega Naight, Kane h.