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directly to your earlo. You want to know those hot drops from the car shop? We've got you covered with your host Hello everyone. Welcome to the latest episode of Hobby Quick Hits, a special edition, if you will. We have no, we cut out the news segment and the product release segment only to make room for a rare guest appearance, uh, an interview, which we normally don't always do on this episode. Not the first time we've done it, uh, but we're doing it on this episode. Ray Fonio, Ray from Philly is our guest today. You may know him from the sports cards uh hall of fame. Baseball and football to be exact, but uh not to be exact, there's a third sports card hall of fame. Uh they are launching the basketball hall of fame. Basketball card hall of fame. Voting is open now. We're going to talk about the new entity and I'm going to do something I've never done before. I always vote on these, but on this episode, I'm actually going to tell you which cards I actually voted for. I usually keep that close to the vest, but uh on this episode, I am going to to share that information. So, uh we're going to get right to that. Ray Fonio uh in the Basketball Card Hall of Fame. All right. We don't always have uh interviews as part of Hobby Quickits, but made an exception. not the first time, but made an exception uh in this case because of the timeliness of the entity and something that's uh uh brand new and we're we're going to talk about it and um uh it's a gentleman that's been on Sports Card Nation uh numerous times uh uh but I'm going to have him on KBY quick hits just to to get this show out in time so some voting can happen. And so uh I'm joined once again with uh Ray Fonio. Ray from Philly. Welcome. Hey, John. How you doing? Thanks for having me on once again. I really appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah, no problem. Well, you know, I I believe in what you're doing. Uh for those that don't know, let me you know, you do sports card hall of fames. You you've got uh baseball already uh for numerous years, football uh as well as well for numerous years. And tonight we're going to talk about uh the third entrant into the uh sports card hall of fame and that's uh going to be the the basketball side of things. Before before we get into that, Ray, just kind of talk about the launch uh you know, for those that don't know, how did the sports card hall of fames where where did that all start? Uh it started in 2018. Um, I always was wondering why the uh actual baseball hall of fame didn't have cards representing into their hall of fame in Coopertown, which years later now they finally do have a wing for that. So, I came up with the idea of just trying to honor and preserve the hobby excellence of baseball cards throughout the history. So, in 2018, I started the Baseball Card Hall of Fame and we just finished uh the fourth year, I'm sorry, eighth year of that now, eight years in a row of doing the Baseball Card Hall of Fame. And as the years went on after I started the Baseball Card Hall of Fame, uh I started uh thinking and pondering about getting other cards from other sports involved. So, uh, with the help of, uh, two gentlemen, Bart of Bart's Cars and Scott of Scotty Tradition, um, they head up for me the football card hall of fame, which, uh, the three of us just finished our third year, uh, for that. So, I always wanted to just try and expand as much as time will allow me to do uh, and try and get at least the big four sports in there. So, uh, I've been working on, uh, putting together the basketball card hall of fame for the past year or two and trying to come up with the best way to do it. And, um, the fellow YouTuber I'm working with is, uh, Tony, whose YouTube channel is, uh, TJ is online. Uh, him and I are representing the Basketball Card Hall of Fame. Tony couldn't make it tonight, but uh just wanted to, you know, spread the word out there for that the sports car hall of fame network is really what I run uh that's on YouTube. Um to do the baseball card hall of fame, uh I've been doing the football card for three years and now this year is the first year spreading the hall of fame into a third sport and basketball card is uh is up to bat now, so to speak. Very very cool to I know Tony uh very well and uh very smart guy. Yes. And and talk a little bit about that. Like each of these sports card Hall of Fames you have you have different people involved. How how how much has that I mean again it's it's it's a labor of love. It's not easy but how much easier does that make your life when you have some folks that are helping out? Yeah, it's definitely a a a a burden lifted and plus not only that, it gives uh it gives more ideas into the pot. You know, when I added Bart and Scott for a football card Hall of Fame, it was definitely a joy because those guys knowledge in football cards is is overwhelming. They're fantastic. And Tony, the same thing, has been a big big basketball card collector for years and years. And uh there were some cars, especially in the modern era. I mean, I know vintage basketball, but uh Tony was definitely well more equipped uh to help out and give great ideas and suggestions to what cards should go in into the modern ballot, which we'll get into, you know, about the two different ballots. But, you know, it it's definitely helpful when you have, you know, more than one set of eyes or more mind going to it that it gives you better ideas and it's uh alleviates some pressure as well. Definitely a big help. Yeah. Uh no doubt. Talk about from the first year you did this with the baseball to where you are now just with uh the two sports and now with with basketball entering the freight at the third one. Talk about how this has gained momentum and and got some traction from that first day when no one knew what the heck was going on to to where we are today here in in yeah know late 2025. Yeah. I mean in 2018 I think I got 40 votes in 2019 maybe 44 votes and but it started to grow around I I'm going to say 21 or 22 and it's been with the help of people such as yourself with and other YouTube channels you know wanting to get involved and wanting to pitch in and help out which I've been internally grateful for. Uh the word has just finally spread. It takes time, you know, every new new idea out there doesn't really get off, you know, guns ablazing, so to speak. So, it took a a few years for the Baseball Card Hall of Fame to really start to take off. And like I said, with the help of a lot of fellow YouTubers chipping in and uh spreading the word and me going their channel or they're coming on my channel, it's been a tremendous help. And now, um, you know, I passed over 1,300 votes on the last baseball card Hall of Fame election, which is just mind-boggling to me that I got,300 votes. Uh, my goal, like last year, I think uh it was about 900 votes. So, my goal this year was to crack a,000 and it was totally surpassed with well over,300. So, now I'm like, should I aim for 2,000 next year? I'm not trying to be greedy or anything, but it's it's just done really well. Uh again, with a lot of help of a lot of fellow YouTubers, so been very proud of the the growth over the past eight years. Well, kudos to you and the guys on on your different teams with the different sports. Someone had to do this, right? I remember talking to you early on uh when you when you really first started and thinking, man, I was a little surprised no one had done this uh yet. And uh you know and the other nice thing the way you do it right you know sometimes a lot of these like lists and and it'll be just someone that says here's my picks for this year's or this is my list. You're letting the the the hobby community vote. They're they're vote what they say counts and and that's what determines what cards get in. And I think that's power to the people right as they say. And uh uh they have it right. and and you know, was that always the way you knew you were going to do it when you decided to Yeah, I wanted this to be a community event. Um, not just something that I'm show throwing out there and saying this is what I think. I wanted this to be something that everybody got involved with and had fun with it. Um it it sparks uh friendly debates over certain cards and that's what I wanted you know and uh the first year I mean the first couple years it was and especially with the baseball card hall of fame it was uh it wasn't real streamline I had everyone voting for what they wanted but there was no ballot there was no suggestions of what it what would be on a ballot so the first year first two or three years I was getting couple hundred different cards everybody thought it was voting for anything in any any kind of baseball card. So, I'm like, this is just get this is crazy. I couldn't even keep up with it. Even though I was only getting about 40 to 50 votes per year, the first couple years, I was getting a couple hundred different cards. So, in 2021, um, I had a couple other YouTubers help me at that time, uh, Mike and Victor, and we all decided that there should be a ballot that, you know, at least for the first year, we picked the cards for the ballot and stream it a little bit because you didn't want having votes coming in of hundreds of different cards. It was just crazy. kind of run it more like the actual hall of fame, especially in the veterans committee where there's a committee that came up with the ballot and then the people vote on what what players get in from that ballot. So, I tried to emulate a little bit more what the actual Hall of Fame does. Um, and the past few years now that it's done really well. So, when cards get voted in and new cards have to be put on, I'll do a pre-pole ballot asking people what cards would they like to see be at least put on the ballot. This year was actually the first year I did a pre-pole ballot. So, and it was uh ran over really well. I mean, because rather than me just saying this is what I think, I I took the pe it's it's a community event. I took people's advice and their opinions and their ideas. So, and that's what I'm trying to emulate with football and also with basketball. Yeah. And you do a great job. And again, you you're getting Thanks. uh people involved, right? And people love and listen, you you've been in the hobby long time. I've been in the hobby long time. And we probably can include both of ourselves in the comment I'm about to make. Right. People in the hobby like to debate. Yeah. about things whether who's the best player uh you know who's overrated, who's underrated. Uh and same thing with cards, right? And um some people do it tactfully and some people maybe not as much and that's fine too, right? To to to each their own. with the people love lists, people love debates, people love when when the results come in, people like to point out where, hey, I think we dropped the ball here or as a, you know, as a voting uh consensus, I think we missed this guy or this card and that sort of thing or how did this how did this card get that many votes and this one didn't? Makes no sense. And that's always I'm sure that happens. That happens. It definitely happens. Uh people some a lot quite a few people take it you know pretty serious and but not serious in a negative way. They take it serious because they you know they they are collectors. They're hobbyists. So they have an opinion on well wow I can't believe this car got in over that and or this car didn't even make it through the first year ballot and how did that happen? sound like the people have spoken, you know, so but you have a voice in this because you can you can vote for this on a pre-pole vet ballot to at least get put back on the ballot and it can, you know, the card just because it got knocked off doesn't mean that it's forever done. Uh I've had two cards in the baseball card Hall of Fame that the first year they were on the ballot didn't even be they weren't even able to continue on the next year's ballot if they got below 5%. And that was uh the 1990 Upper Deck Reggie Jackson autograph card and the 49 Bowman Roy Campanella rookie. They were off the battle for about two years. They got back on I think last year and not only did they get back on, they actually made it. So anything can happen because people look at things and they'll say, you know what, we need to take a different look or different approach at this. Same thing with the Veterans Committee. You know, there's been guys that on the BBWA ballot got booted off on their first year on the ballot and then they got transferred over to the veterans committee and got another second look and actually made it in. So, it's it's I try and emulate as close to the Hall of Fame as possible. No, I love it and I think people appreciate that and and you know, people like to be part of something and when their cards that they voted for get in, they feel sort of some pride in that, right? that process. If I didn't vote and no one else voted, uh, that card wouldn't have have made it. So, you take some personal pride. Now, again, like I mentioned in the intro, we we've done this before. You've been on to talk about each year sort of uh we're going to do it a little bit different this year. We're not going to go for time sake, we're not going to uh list all the cards on the ballot, but also for the first time uh I've always vote uh Ray, but I always always kind of keep my my votes to myself. Not that it's not that it's top secret, right? Um but I just never gave disclosing it. But I was talking to Tony earlier today. He's like, you got to say who you voted for. And I know Dr. Jim Dr. Jim does that. So, uh, I'm today for the first time I'm going to talk about the 10 cards I voted for. Five on the on the vintage and five on the modern side for for basketball. Before we get into before we get into that though, uh, give out where people can cast their uh, 10 votes. Five for modern, five for where can people do that? Well, uh, me and Tony did a video on my channel that was released yesterday. So the two links for the two ballots are in the description of that video. So they can either do one of two ways they can do it. They can either click on the link and the ballot will come up or in that video uh we posted a picture of a barcode where people can just scan the barcode like pause the uh p pause the video and use their phone and scan the barcode and it'll bring up an bring up the uh actual ballot. So there's two ways to do that where I mean there is a website for the baseball card hall of fame thanks to Adam from Splendid Sports. He's working on doing the football card hall of fame and the basketball card hall of fame. Uh so eventually uh you know there's going to be two two more websites added so that in future years uh for football card and basketball card they'll be able to go right to the website and there'll be a ballot on there. But for this year, uh, for basketball card, on the bottom of my video, there would be two links for one for the modern error and one for the vintage error. Or they can scan the barcode, and I'll put it in the show notes as well. So, if you didn't catch it while you're listening to this, or you're just lazy, and I get it because I can be that way, too. Just go to the show notes and and click on that link, and that'll that'll take you uh to it. real quick before I get into uh who I voted for. Um this is the first time you're doing like two ballots in a sense, a modern side, right? And a vintage side. Just kind of explain to people why that is and might we see that in some of these other uh hobby sports. It's possible. It's possible. Well, Tony and I were talking about um you know, when we were first figuring this out back in the spring, how did we want to create and present this ballot for basketball cards? And we figured out since basketball doesn't go as far back as baseball. I mean, baseball cards, you can get cards in the 1800s, um we didn't want to cross over too much of the vintage basketball cards with a lot of the modern cards, say from the 90s and 2000s. So we figured out let's try it this year and separate errors. So we have a vintage error which is from 1900 to 1979 and a modern era ballot which is 1980 to present day. Now when we say present day there isn't um current players on the ballot. The player has to be a retired player. So LeBron James or Stefon Curry's cards aren't on the modern era ballot. But you would see someone like Kobe Kobe Bryant or Dirk Noitzky uh on the ballot. So, uh we're trying it out, see how it works with that and if that that seems to be doing well. I mean, who knows? It could it could present itself or spread over to other sports as well. But since there isn't a really long history with basketball cards, you know, maybe back as far as the 30s, um we wanted to do more of the vintage separate from a modern. And we didn't want to just have people voting for a Kobe and then a George Mike. It was two totally different errors and cards could get missed out. So figured, you know what, let's have the vintage have their own wing and the modern era have their own wing and just see how it goes from there. It's kind of like a trial run for this year, but I think it's going to work pretty well. Yeah. All right. So, let me get into I'm going to go through my votes here. Uh Ray, this was tougher than I thought it was going to be. It always is. And when I opened it up, I'm like, like I was already without even seeing the ballot, I had cards what I thought would be on the ballot. And sure enough, those cards I was thinking about are on the ballot. But then there's cards you forget about. And then you see them on the ballot, you're like, man, this is not as easy. This is not as chalk uh as I initially thought. Now, I did sort of vote what I consider sort of of chalk. And and you know, uh I'll start with the vintage Um, and you know, the the first one that I voted for, I mean, it's it's iconic, and no one will argue with this. I I I venture a safe bet this might get in on the first ballot. Let me put it this way. I'd be I'd be surprised if it didn't. That's the the 48 Bowman uh George Mike. I mean, that's just the one of the most iconic card. You know, we talk about like the the 52 tops, man. This is sort of that for basketball. So, like I I couldn't not vote for it, you know? I just that's how I kind of weighed in on on my vote. Like, is there any way I cannot vote for this card? And that one, right, that one just there was no way I couldn't vote uh for it. Um the other one, you know, I'm a rookie card guy, so my votes tend to slant that way. Full disclosure. And again, folks, I'm sharing who I voted for, but I want to stress um you know, vote for who you want. I'm just saying who I voted for. I'm not politicking for these. I might say why I voted for them, but I'm not telling you who to vote for. That's the beauty of voting. You get to pick who you want to vote. I'm just sharing some of my thoughts on why I did uh vote this way. So, um 52nd one, and I I'm not even saying these in a particular order, per se, but uh 57 tops Bill Russell. Uh this guy's got more, you know, championship rings. Uh he's right there at the top. I think for as much credit as Bill Russell gets, I think sometimes maybe not even enough. I don't think people know uh the greatness of Bill Russell. This is just a great card. Again, I I looked at it, I'm like, I cannot vote uh for this card. So, um and my last three, I hate to do this, but the last three are all from the same set, and it's the 61 Fleer, and they're just Oh, wow. iconic rookie cards. And so I'll kind of lump them all together here. Ray, I went with the the Jerry all 61 Fleer, Jerry West, Oscar Robinson. And when we talk about underrated players of all time, Oscar Robinson, this guy averaged a triple double for like average like, you know, guy gets a triple double nowadays. It's like leads off the, you know, Sports Center. Yeah. This guy averaged a triple double. And we don't when we talk about the greats of the NBA, he gets mentioned but not as fa not as early on as he should, right? Um he's overshadowed by by a lot of other guys. Maybe because he's like, you know, being a guard and the smaller type, but this guy was tremendous. Um it's actually a card. Speaking of card, it's on my to get list uh for my PC. Nice. Um, and I'm thinking maybe next year, uh, at the national will be when I kind of try to hone in on it. Going back to the Jerry West, you know, he's the logo, right? He's the logo. Yep. We just lost him recently. And like, you know, even regardless whether he was the logo or not, you can't argue uh with the greatness of of the player that Jerry, he's a logo because he was a a great player. They didn't just put anyone on there. So, um, and the last one, Will Chamberlain. I mean, the legend of Will, even though he's been gone and hasn't, it seems to grow every year for some new stat or new thing that comes up about him, but off the court or on the court, uh, he's he's he's known as a legend. So, he changed the game. That 60 he did. And that 61 set is just iconic in in its own right. So, those were my five on the V side. that and there was others Ray anytime you do this you're gonna there's others you don't vote for and you're like I could have and I you know and other people are going um and and that's what makes it so fun. Um and many of the ones that I didn't vote for um you know we may get in or we'll get in pretty quickly whether it be this year or soon after. So, right. Um, but those five sort of it's it's funny go before I even opened up the ballot, those were like, you know, I was thinking of five to eight cards were definitely on the short list. So, um, it sort of I don't want to say it made my vote easier, but it it a lot of the debate was already in my own mind was sort of kind of sorted out. Uh, so those were my five on the vintage side. Now going to uh you know going to the modern side I feel a little bit guilty here because one player sort of dominated uh my votes and that's just because he dominated uh that error. But let's talk about the cards I voted for that he wasn't on. Uh and this one like you said this was at the cusp of the cuto off between what you considered vintage and modern. But it's an iconic card. I own it. Um it's the 198081 Yes. uh Cops Bird Magic rookie. And how many times can you get two guys of that stature whose rookie card is on the same piece of cardboard, right? When you think about all the baseball like rookies like the bench or the Ryan or other like Mo or the Siver that you and I don't mean any disrespect by this, but usually the whoever else is on the card didn't pan out, let's say. And so share that person sharing the card with the the Hall of Famer. Uh, but how many times it's very rare that you get, you know, you could get you could have Al, you know, Alan Traml and Lou Whitaker on the same card, but when you talk about Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, they're two and the rivalry and the rivalry between them as well. I mean, forget that they're both Hall of Famers, but the Lakers Celtics rivalries of that time period where it seemed like they were in the finals either every year or almost every other year. And um while they were friends, when the game was on, they weren't friends. They were trying to beat each other. And I grew up I I'm selfish. I grew up as a as a young kid during that era. And I wasn't necessarily a Celtics or or Lakers fan. Uh but uh you couldn't help but like these guys uh just because how great the players they were and how competitive uh they were. And that card is just you get two guys of that stature whose rookie card appear on the same piece of cardboard. I don't I there's nothing else I can really say. I think that that kind of sums it up. So, that one that one was one of my first votes. Um the other one that I voted for that wasn't of of the same player. Um and this one was this one was the one I debated back and forth before I finally kind of clicked a box and sent my ballot in. um the 96 97 Topps chrome uh refractor Kobe and um you know we all know the how great Kobe was in his own right um and that's just a great card right the the uh the the chrome set uh the refractor version and if you're a Kobe collector or Kobe fan this is one of the the cards you're trying to to add to your collection uh first and then you know the the other three or Michael Jordans's and uh you know as much as you try like man this is easy but you can't not vote for for two of these I I two of these I think are no-brainers and then someone can argue maybe the third right the two the two no-brainers for me Ray were the 84 85 star uh Jordan right and then obviously the 86 87 clear Jordan and we can you know I know there's a debate which one's true rookie um I think like I like to this the line like I say, I'm not kicking either one of those out of bed. I'll take either one of those uh any day, right? Um those two were kind of chalk and there's no way you sort of can't vote for them on the first ballot of of what's what you're calling the modern side. The third one is also a Jordan and my fifth card, if you will, on the modern side. on this one. Like the Kobe, I hemmed in hard a little bit more than the other uh three if you if you will. And that's the um EX. I'm a big fan of EX, the that brand from Fleer. Um but the John Ballayia uh Jordan, it's a card I've never owned. Um I've seen it a few times, more than a few times, but just a great card. And it's one of those inserts from the '9s um that you never realized how little existed and you could have bought them a lot cheaper back then had you had the foresight uh to see that and many of us didn't. Right. I don't even feel bad aditting that. It's just a really cool looking uh card with the round round corner. You know, it's a basically an oval type card and just lent tickler. I just that one that one's kind of a selfish vote. Uh that one's just like I like this card, I'm voting for it. All the other all the other ones like were more like to me like chalk or it's hard not to vote, right? That one was like, you know what I mean? I could have went either way, but that was just a personal I'm voting I'm voting for. So that's there's my 10 10 cars that I voted for. Five on the vintage side, five on the modern three. You know, I really tried. I know when I was looking over my modern vote, Ray, I'm like, I've got three Jordans here on the ballot and I feel sort of guilty, but I just I you know, I'm like, well, we're going to do this each year, right? So, right, I can maybe vote for now some less Jordans next year, but the first ballot, you know, you got to vote for the star in the year. The the one if I feel guilty about any of the Jordan votes, it's probably the Jambalaya, but that one I just did because I I love that. And that's the beauty of the vote, right? week. You can whoever's voting can can wherever your heart leads you to pick. That's I like all those picks. I mean, um I got three of the five in my own mind. I mean, I don't vote, but in my own mind, uh for the vintage, I had the three of the same of the five that you picked. And for the modern, uh yeah, I agree on the Magic Bird and Star Jordan and Fleer Jordan. And then the other two I was looking at was uh the uh star uh Barkley and uh and then it's tough after that, you know. I mean, yeah, maybe a star came just kind of rare, but yeah, that's an underrated card, too. He's an underrated guy sometimes. We don't talk enough about that's the it's tough. It is tough. I'm like I do feel I don't want to say guilty, but I'm like I probably I probably didn't have to vote for the jumbolaya and I could have went somewhere else. But again, you always you say, "Well, next year I'll vote for like the Barkley or the Elijah card that also looking at and that sort of." So, so that was my I don't want to say Homer pick, I guess, but that was my one pick that I probably could have went a different way, but I'm like now. Yeah. I mean, that's cool. So, so and that's again that's the fun uh that's the fun uh of the vote. Uh as we kind of come down the home stretch here, when does the voting close so people know like hey I I got this long to So the voting closes on opening day of the NBA season which is October 21st at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. So, October 21st and then the announcement video will be live on YouTube Friday, October 24th. You go. And it'll be interesting to see out of the 10 I picked how many how many get in. I'm going to venture safe. I'm going to venture guess that I'm batting at least 50. I feel confident in that. Again, folks, I'm not telling you to vote for um vote wherever your heart desires. But, you know, some of these were just they're so iconic. It's almost like a to use a basketball term for me, a slam dunk. Yeah. Slam dunk. Yeah. Pun intended. Or a layup, right? Easy layup. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh but that's the fun of it, right? And I think in subsequent years I think it will get tougher too as as those obvious choices get in right then it becomes less obvious the waters become more evenly matched with card that's when right yeah and I think that's you know when you look at even the traditional hall of fames like look at some of the early classes yeah you know it was like Ruth and Cobb and the and it was easy because they were just legend I think it's kind of like that with cards and then after those big guns get in, then it gets a little trickier because they're all there's more evenly worthy cards and like you can't vote for them all. So, you then you really have to really be diplomatic. So, uh I think it'll get tougher uh each year and uh and funner uh each year just kind of again coming down like uh you know is hockey next? I got to put you on the hot seat nasty. We'll see. I mean, you never know. I mean, it could be boxing. I mean, there you go. See, I like bo I'm a I'm a boxing guy more in the heyday, not the current, right? Uh state of the state of the sport, but but that's the been the big question. Everyone's like, "Oh, let me guess what for what's coming up after this. Hockey." I'm like, you never know. Yeah. Yeah. You never know. Non sport. You can go non-sports even. So, so there's a lot of different directions. People just have to stay stay tuned. Well, Ray, I appreciate it. Yeah, first time I've ever shared my picks. I almost feel I feel slightly guilty, but but not really. Um, again, I'm glad you did. Yeah, it was kind of fun. And maybe explaining sort of why and the economy of why I I went. I'm I'm always going to slant rookie cards over non- rookie cards. Now, again, that doesn't mean I I I voted uh in other sports as well. I voted for non- rookie card. They're just some cards that whether regardless of whether they're a rookie or not, that are still just icons of the hobby that you just you got to get them in there. So, u but that's sort of my where I lean first and then after that it opens it up for for everything. So, uh and other people might think in a different way. There's no there's no wrong answer there, right? Opinions I always tell people opinions aren't wrong. Um facts can be wrong. If you tell someone, you know, there's 83 states in the United States, you're wrong, right? But if you say if you say Pennsylvania is your favorite state, you're not wrong. That's your opinion, right? So that's I always say opinions aren't wrong, but facts can be. So when you're voting, you're never wrong, right? It's that's how you vote. So, uh you got about you got about a month and a half, folks, to get your votes in. Don't wait that long. Um and uh you know and it'll be fun to see how the first uh first ever uh ballot uh shakes out. And then like you said, Ray, what what sport or maybe not sport parentheses uh hall of fame uh card uh hall of fame. Um I appreciate you having me on, John. Thank Thank you so much. And let's let's see what maybe after the votes are are in, we can uh get you back and kind of talk about where where where everything's settled once all the smoke clears. Absolutely. Yep. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Take care. All right. Thank you for listening to another episode of Hobby Quicksits. 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