Brandon Edwards/Bobbles and Ballcards returns! E346

Sports guard Nations hobby is the people Wheely News and Interviews. It's your number one song. Sportscarnations hobby is the people. Spawns guar Nation.

What is up? Everybody? Welcome to another edition of Sports Carnation three forty six to be exact, and just a few days here away from the National I am obviously getting ready. I'm all packed up. I've recorded some stuff in advance, including this episode and the next couple as well. Like to just sort of get to that event and not feel like I forgot something.

I venture guests, many of you feel the same way, even with you know all the stuff you have to button up before you make the trip to Chicago this year and in the next couple of years. So hope to meet a lot of you there again or for the first time. Either way, If you see me and know who I happen to be by, all means say hello, shake a hand, well, you know, talk a little hobby, See what you picked up, see what I picked up, or how successful or unsuccessful I was in scratching some things off my target list. While we're talking about the Nationals, some programming notes on the Thursday, the first Thursday of the Nationals.

Second day of the National Hobby Hotline will be live on the Mike Burkis Main stage from noon to one pm, and immediately following that, Sports Carnation will be from one pm to two pm local Chicago time. That Sports Cardination Live will feature myself, Tony Demarzio, and Tony Leebrick Southern Collector fourteen. Tony Demarzio's TJ is online and we're gonna definitely be talking some vintage talking to National. It's gonna be fun and that hour will go quick, So I hope to see you some from the main stage basically from twelve to two, well you know, Hobby Hotline with many of your favorite hosts from twelve to one and followed by Sports Cardination Live with Me and Tony and Tony Tony Squared live from the main stage.

So a lot of live on stage fun. Always a privilege and honor that I get to do that, it seems every year, and I don't take that for granted. But today we have the conclusion of our interview with Brandon Edwards of Bobble's Ballcards and really great guy and have a lot again, a lot of similarities with h both of us be in SVC bulk suburbs, and we're gonna definitely chop up some of that SGC rumors in innuendo. But I want to thank all our sponsors, Iron Sports Cards, Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby, Hotline, and Upper Deck.

But with that being said, let's get the show started. Time for our conclusion of our conversation with Brandon Edwards of Bobbles and Ballcards, and we're going to start off here getting into the nitty gritty of what's going on with SGC. Let's get into SGC. Let's get deep, sort of into the woods here.

We both shared a commonality. We both were bulk suburbs for SGC up until June eleventh, and on the same day and I know we we've obviously talked before recording this, we both received a call from our reps on June eleventh letting us know that the boat breaks for SGC were going away on June twentieth, over and done with now at the time of recording, and you know, we both caught like it was a disappointing call to not only receive, but both of our reps were very you know, they were just a messenger and We're not happy to make the call. We've seen other people's content right sort of say you know the end is near for SGC. Nat Turner was just on with Leyton Shelting on you know, Sports Card Therapy.

I think he calls his show. I know Layton, so he'll forgive me if like they're wrong. But that went on there and said, hey, we're not killing SGC. Wasn't I think we both can agree.

Wasn't enthusiastic, let's say, or how do you want to warn it? Like? It wasn't. I wasn't over the top convincing. But he did go on on uh, you know a show and say, hey, we're we're doing some different stuff, but we're we're not killing the brand SGC. We like SGC.

You know, we've brought some people over from SGC that wanted to come over the p s A. So that came out, which was sort of alleged until it kind of not confirmed it. Like you, I'm a I'm a huge fan of the brand and what they do. I don't want to see SGC go away.

I know getting ahead and I'll let you I'm kind of rambling on here. I'm going to continue to do the bulks of it. Obviously, I've got to adjust prices to higher than you know I'd like to, but you have to. That's either do it or you don't and and not do it.

That's what you've decided to do. And I get that. I understand that. Just kind of your thoughts on you know, It's funny because when I heard the content now about five or six weeks, six weeks ago, saying like SGC is going to be phased out, I'm like, this is crazy.

And then that phone call came and I'm not predicting this either, but I was less convinced after the phone call than before the phone call. Kind of your thoughts on a state of SGC and where your mindset is, you know, kind of like I just talked about. So the conversation or the piece that was shared with Nat Turner, it went back to something that I told my rep when he called, and I asked him, and he's always been really straightforward with me, you know, I never have had a reason to question what he's telling, but I asked him, I said, is this is this a step in the direction of collectors, you know, abolishing the brand or whatever? And he said, I'm confident that that isn't the case. And I said, well, do you not feel like that this is a step in the direction, maybe not forcefully shutting the company down, but moving it in a negative direction.

And it's actually. Sad as someone that's been there and seeing the growth and everything. You know, when I started bulk submitting with them, they had four employees, four and you can comprehend that a grading company with four employees. To see where they are today and then know that, Okay, Nat says, we love SGC.

They're not going. Away, but PSA has an issue and we're going to take staffing away from the brand that has had great momentum. They have a lot of support, they've grown, they've had awesome turnaround times also pricing. They've went from nobody wanting to buy their slabs at shows to now slabs being in like all the dealers showcases.

But we need help. But they get right. We've seen record setting auctions. Yeah, and SGC holders for sure, no doubt.

So the solution is, because PSA has a problem, we're going to take away from SGC. And my first thought was, Okay, I could understand if SUC was struggling getting cards or whatever. All right, let's adjust. But SGC currently has a backlog, and you're going to take away during the backlog, which then immediately tells me we're not worried about those five to ten day turnaround time, which was a huge selling point for people submitting to SGC.

Our solution to this is we're. Gonna cut, and that says it right in that little clip. We're going to cut the dealer bulk submits bulk rate discount to help support the demand coming into SGC. Now you can kind of read between the lines here.

We're not shutting SGC, we're not getting rid of the brand, but we also really aren't worried about whether or not they get a lot of cars. We're not worried about the direction. And there's some people with this take. You know, I heard Dustin and his video say it, and I actually messaged him about this, and this theory, this this statement has been out there.

You have people that submit to PSA that don't like SGC, and you have people with SGC that submit to them that don't like PSA. So if you shut SGC down, that doesn't mean that PSA gets all the business. However, there's also been the statement. Since the acquisition and the fear by the SGC folks, and there's been discussions will they turn into operating like PSA.

You start making these moves and you see these negative impacts that they're now doing. It's no longer two separate companies when they start operating like one, or you see one getting tugged on to help the other one and the users over here are the ones suffering. That's gonna put the taste, the bad taste in the SGC crowd, and they're not going to go to PSA. They're going to go elsewhere.

You know, we just came out of fanatics Fest and there was some pretty big buzz some sales. I don't know if it'll help them or at all, but Beckett got a couple of spotlights on a couple of sales. I mean, they're a well known brand in the space as well. You know, CGC I think was set up at at fanatics Fest.

You know, they they're pretty cheap. They they have everything that if they could put one foot in front of the other, they could take off. And so it's it's not basically saying we're not going to close SGC, but we're not really worried about affecting the SGC customer. That's the takeaway I got from I also am worried because we don't know what graters they took.

Did they take the experience for PSA and what is that going to do or or how will that affect the SGC grading. Yeah, great point. It's a great a bunch of great points, not just one, but that last one too, Like if you take the best graders, are you it's like taking the best players off a team, right, what's left? What's left for the team. They're probably not gonna be as good.

Uh, they're not gonna be competing, they're not gonna be winning as many games. Using a sports analogy, it's a great point. And you know, and hearing you say that, right and thinking about what Nat said, I agree with you. Like on one hand, he's like, hey, we love SGC, but we don't love them enough to really like fullheartedly support them, Like we're gonna take care of like our own house first, almost at the expense of the SGC brand.

Yeah, like you said, that's where said. Yeah, I don't want to say this in a gruesome way, but kind of the way I like when I was talking to my wife about it. We're not killing SGC, We're just gonna critically wound them. Yeah, they're gonna be in the hospital for a bit.

It's gonna be touching, and at times it might be touching. Go you know, here's here's the thing I think. And I said this even before before this happened Brandon, I said, man, you know, when we were pretty spoiled and getting those five to ten day turnarounds, if you well know, and I well knew, people were shocked on my like their the order's back ready, like it's back. I had one that was I said it on Monday, and it was it was back here on the following Wednesday or Thursday of the next week.

Insane and unheard of with any brand, like even the little guys who don't get us many cards. And people got spoiled by that. And this was obviously after the acquisition. And I remember thinking quietly right in this office, like, man, if i'm PSA, I'm like, here's our little brother.

Our parent company just bought them, so they're under us and they're out shining us at a surprise level. Uh Like it makes us look bad. And I said to myself, like what are they going to do something to whether it's them getting faster or are they going to do something to make SGC slower so they don't look as bad. And I think we have we have our answer now.

Uh, PSA isn't really getting any faster, So it's not the former, it's it's the latter of what I just said. Unfortunately for us, and and and this isn't coming from a bias point of view, but getting rid of the boat sub rates, right. You didn't necessarily have to do that, you know what I mean. They could have left that and just had to turn around times be sort of what they are like.

Why it's almost like they don't want as many cards going to SGC. Where. I don't know if you were, because I know I've subved a bit longer than you on the books. Yeah, yeah, you don't know if.

You were doing it when they raised it to fifty dollars a card back when they were like two months turnaround time or three month whatever it was. Yes, I've done it for now for about twenty seven, twenty eight. Months okay this was this was an early twenty twenty one. Yeah, yeah, no, I hadn't done I was a suburb, but I wasn't a folk suburb.

So I get a call one day from my rep and he calls to tell me that, and they had been like tweaking prices, you know, here and there and trying to find a comfort zone because the pandemic and everything. It was kind of crazy. And then I get a call and he says, we got to raise the price to fifty dollars a card. And as soon as he said it, I said, I'm done.

I'm like, there was no thought because in my mind, I'm like, there's no way I'm telling my people fifty bucks card, Like there's no chance. And so Pete calls me and he explains it to me, is like, we're just trying to get things in control. We're way behind, you know. I'm like, all right, you know, ununderstandable, but this is crazy fifty bucks.

I'm not doing that. Let me know when you guys are going to adjust the price back, and I'll start back. And I did, but it feels almost it's not quite as extreme, but it's like this feels like a price change without actually changing the price because they know the submitters that stay doing it have. To be above their level.

But here's the part that doesn't make as much sense. Okay, you're saying that you're taking away the bulk discount to try to control the volume, but people can still send themselves and get the fifteen dollars rate. Now, most people are aware that one of the biggest benefits, and one of the reasons that they give bulk discount is because it's more efficient to do one large order then it is one hundred smaller orders. So what if this doesn't change It might affect the volume a little, but what if it doesn't actually overall change the volume.

Well, now you're getting the same amount of volume, you're going to take longer because you can't process them this quickly and you have less staff. Then what are you going to do? Yeah, well, here, that's a great point. I don't we're about to find out. I've appeared to be honest with you.

Let me ask you this. Let me throw this out there and see her thoughts on it. There's a prevailing thought, or there's a theory. There's a theory that PSA doesn't really want to kill SGC, but they want SGC just to be known as a vintage grading brand.

Where PSA becomes more of a modern ultra minor and vintage too. They're not turning away vintage, but make just as she said, but has always kind of been how as she's been labeled, although that will start the change reason, so maybe they sort of wanted the revert back to that. You know, what do you think about that theory? Well, I was trying to pull gym rate up here real quick to see I thought they gave a breakdown of years. I think they do that once.

Like they come up with different reports, so it's not always. Yeah, I don't see it on the may report there right on their things. But okay, so my question goes back to, and this is the most disappointing part, why crush the effort? Why crush the momentum? Why crush the growth? Why crush the support of the past five years? SGC has their only sports cards, like, they get very little tc The backlog of a company like PSA and CGC is being driven by the TCG market, So why make these change. It to crush the momentum of a company or attempt to throttle the intake, Which, okay, let's say that works.

Let's say they do get less and you're processing a few more over here, I mean how many I don't I don't know how many graders that shec had on hand or how many was taken. But you have to think, like, what is the balance going to be? Is it gonna make any sense? And on the on the terms of just a vintage grader. Well, yes, I've been adamant that more and more collections will be found, more and more raw vintage cards will be found, but that Spickett also will trickle and become less and less, you know, So how long is that going to keep them afloat? You know they talk about, well Beckett does what fifty thousand or whatever they do a month, is that she's gonna get twenty thousand vintage cards a month? I mean, And your every move that you make like this, you're adding more question You're adding more concerns for the people that support the company. You know, I have been heavy vocal.

I have been heavily supportive of SGC, Like I said when I started using them. They have four employees. There's probably other people. That's been there way longer than I have, that have been using But you have to start questioning what is the what is the moves they're gonna make what is the purpose? How long will this survive? And I think Nat is trying to protect his image and his brand, and also it doesn't make sense to kill the company with momentum.

But at the same time, I think he also knows it's easier to let it fade out than to just shut it down. You know, even if you're making one hundred grand a month, that's better than zero, So just keep letting it trickle. Right. So here's the thing though, and I agree with you, but even doing that, so even like doing that, whether they do that or an announcement comes a week later from the show and says, SGC, we're going to shut SGC down in a great run.

It was a business decity whatever however they worded. Right, it doesn't make any sense because here's why. Because for people who love SGC, like me or you and many others for that matter, right, people submit that SGC because they don't want to submit to PSA. So now you take them off the board, You take that piece off the board.

Those people are gonna sub the PSA. They're gonna now go to CGC, Beckett and other grading companies. You've actually fed and helped your competition by the decisions you made. Listen, CGC is number two when you fact when you add in TCG.

I'm not a TCG guy, so to me, SGC is number two in sports cards. But these decisions, right, these decisions are going to open that door. Cgc's got some momentum. You mentioned Beckett a fanatics fest got a little bumb right.

You may not even own the number two sports card company anymore. You might own the one or the one in the three or the one in the four. And why not why not want to keep the one in two? Right, if you're burger king and your own McDonald's, and you can keep both in play, and why not try to do things do that rather than make a decision where now Wendy's slides up the number two and McDonald's goes to three or four. Like, I think there's ways to do.

I think they're and again they're smart people there. I'm not calling them dumb. I don't think that's fair. But there's ways to do some things and still maybe accomplish what you're trying to do and sort of stiff arming the competition.

I think this this helps the competition, which I I if your business Why would you Why would you want to do that unless you know, maybe they are trying to get rid of SHEC, which you got, man, I hope that's not so. It's kind of like this this scenario where no matter how you look at it, it kind of doesn't make sense, right because PSA, to my understanding, as of a couple of weeks ago, had a four million card backlack. Okay, so you take away a few graders from SGC to try to help this, well, I don't know how much of a dent that they're going to really do. When SGC as a whole is only doing what maybe one hundred and twenty ish one hundred and let's call it one hundred and fifty tops a month, one hundred and fifty thousand, that's not putting a big dent.

You know. Let's say they take a third of them away and they can push through one hundred thousand. That's not a big dent in four million. On the flip side, if you're trying to take demand away from SGC and you're hoping it comes to PSA, well then you're just increasing your demand even higher.

Over there, someone's at my door. I've got to get that be right back. Iron Sports Guards is your number one source all your PSA and other grading submissions. Their elite status improves turnaround times.

Heck, they even provide the card savers. Their chap rooms provide updates on all your submissions. They also offer wax options and single cards to cover all the bases. Check them out on Facebook at Iron Sportscards Group or on the web at Ironsportscards dot com, or even give them a call at one eight seven seven Iron PSA.

Rob's got you covered. Sports Cognation has resons. To your point about maybe maybe keeping them floating because of the vintage. They have an advantage there versus Beckett and CGC because you really don't see a lot of vintage like BVEG.

Beckett vintage has like never really been a thing, and CGC you see some here and there pop up, but it's really not vintagey as well. So they have a bit of a benefit there and I think they could sustain. But the real question is what is the volume of vintage that's going to come through the door each month? And you have to keep like I know, like I've read comments on some different videos or from my video, people think that this is all just about a conversation of the world's and a bunch of drama, and that's not necessarily the case. I'm trying to look at it a more realistic picture.

And as submitters, both of us sitting here, we talk to a lot of people that are submitting cards and that have had questions. Many of them have been big support. Many of them have moved from using a different company to actually see and now there's questions. So it's not just us sitting here.

You know, I'm perfectly fine with you know, Okay, if SUC doesn't it would you know, they get shut down. It would suck, But I would just go to another company and you know, continue on as normal. It's not that the world is falling. It's that there is a lot of questions that people are having and you have to have these because the further it goes along the turnaround time.

We both know that was a huge incentive for people to use SGC. If it's going to take two plus months, what benefit do you have then outside if you like the tuxedo, you know or you know, you're you're flipping them. They hold a better market than some of the other companies. But you've taken that advantage away.

So you have to hope that there is enough true SGC support there from the collectors that want to spend the money to have their cards and capsule and that won't mind it taking a little while longer, you know, the two three months, whatever. It gets to. Because every time PSA or Collector's Universe makes a move like this is the key point here. I love it, you see, I don't want them to go to way.

I don't think that they would shut them down. But every time that a move is made that is negatively impacting the company and the volume starts to diminish. You're taking the relevancy. You're devaluating the brand.

SCC cards didn't sell worth a crap five years ago. Nobody wanted to buy them. If you start chinking that armor and dropping it back down the scale, you are then devaluing the brand that works so hard to put itself in that number two position the value. Yeah, I don't disagree it.

Hence the other let's let's let's just put the card ahead of the horse. Let's say PSA or Collectors that say decides to do away with SG and I know we both holk that's not what happens. Well, let's just say it does. You know, that's what we do in the hobby.

Sometimes we spect them that's gonna that like, that's gonna hurt PSA because that's just gonna open up up the door for CDCDC back at who knows who else, maybe even a new company to move up. Like that's not I don't think that's going to help ps you know, I really don't. And so I get they want to try to help themselves, but I close it. SGC is not the answer.

I don't think, well yet, but I think a lot of people. A lot of people don't don't even like recognize the history of the grading companies, and they look at CGC as being a new company. They actually used to own SGC. SGC was under certified collectible who owns CGC.

So they've been in the card game dating back to the early nineties. They abolish SGC, and that's when Dave Foreman took over the company and created it as new SGC. So CGC is not you know, they're not a new kid on the block. They have Beckett employees that came over.

Andy Broom helped start up the when it was CESG, So there's experience there. They have a nice holder. They're the cheapest of the four main companies to grade with. Their turnaround time isn't great.

They came into they came out of the blocks like people were submitting a ton to them. That actually hurt them a little bit because they got behind, and then that green ugly label they changed the grading scale and then they just kind of lost momentum. But I don't think it would be that hard for them or Beckett if they see an opening, if they see an opportunity, and if the hand is forced for other people to go elsewhere, it wouldn't take much to bump some of them back up. You know that.

It's not like they're new kids. They're not new graders. There is a lot of history and experience there. I'll tell you I've sent stuff to CG see because there's stuff they can do that SGC can.

They have. They can slab like up to three hundred and sixty point cards. SGC can't, So I've sent stuff to them just for that. They have JSA, it's another positive on their belt.

You know, SCC doesn't. Have autograph grading. They also have Blackstone, a massive financial you know they have money that that can be. They're worldwide.

They just I think opened the shop or a facility in Dubai. I believe they're they're worldwide. So I have Blackstone too, Brandon, and I love cooking at it. But that's that's another no.

I mean, yeah, you're right, truly right. Inside feeling is SGC is I don't think that, but it's still. I think the reason that I point out all of this is it really sucks being there when they were the. Little kid, you know, they were the little guy.

They weren't, you know, people all the tuxedos, ugly SGC blah blah blah, and experiencing the growth and seeing all of the people change their mind, you know, seeing the dealers that shows actually using SGC, Seeing all of the submitters. I mean there is how many book submitters now I don't even know, like. Their shops and everything. Seeing all of that, to know that they're basically intentionally trying to turn the table to an opposite route, I think it's disheartening for me to see that.

It's sad. You know, you mentioned that I made the decision. I almost here's the thing, and we're kind of coming down the home stretch here, Brandon. If they're in tennis to phase out SGC or close, I'd rather see them sell them to someone else.

Let Dave have them back, you know what I mean. That that or wherever, let sell them to another entity that's going to keep them around rather than just phase mouth. I'd rather see that, just real quick kind of kind of wrapping up the episode. And I'd love to have you back.

And so let's put our kind four hats. I'm gonna let you. I just did an episode of Hobby quick Caick. I talked to him, what do you think? You know, however far ahead you want to go, what do you think ultimately happens? You know, it's all speculation.

Obviously we don't know what's certain. But if you had to guess, what do you where do you think this winds up? All? Right? So trying to be no Stredamisant predicted a year from now. Okay, well we'll go end of May, so June first, twenty twenty six, SCC I think will still be in business. But they did one hundred and forty five thousand cards in May of twenty twenty five.

I'm gonna say maybe fifty thousand June or for the for May of twenty twenty six. So one one third of the company in a sense of what they are. But I'm not even worried about the volume the demand. If they truly are taking like staff away, that's going to immediately.

Lower the capacity that they're able to do. So I'm not even like looking at it on a scale of Oh, people are gonna stop sending if the if the plan is to take people, they're not gonna be able to do as much. It's simple math. So I'm gonna say they're still in business.

I do think the demand will fall a little bit, but just by sheer number of you know PSA taking away you know staff, the capacity will drop. And so I'm gonna say maybe fifty thousand. Yeah, I won't argue that right that should it makes sense? Explain how you think that happens, and I don't disagree with you. Let me ask you one last question before we sort of wrap up.

Do you think they want that to happen like that or even worse? And then they can say, listen, you know, SUC is not financially viable for us anymore. We're actually sort of almost losing money or not making money with that brand now, and so it's that decision. It's that's the reason we didn't want to close them. But it's like any business, if they're not making you a profit or they're not you know, keeping you in the black, and they're starting to be the red, then we have to make a business decision.

You think they're trying to look like the good guy when they close SGC, rather than just be the bad guys they were closing. You think there's sort of that in play. I really can't answer that question because I don't know what enough to make it financially makes sense, because we don't know what they purchased them for. We don't know what the operation costs are.

Obviously, again, if they're taking staff away, your your business costs are lowering. I would assume that if some of this is to help PSA, they might you know, SGC just moved into that larger office space there. They might be planning to flip them back to where you know, they have the smaller space and PSA goes into the bigger space. I don't really know any of those plans that would make the most sense to me.

If you're trying to create more volume or more capacity to help you stay out give them the space to be able to do it. But I don't know what they're what the scenario is going to hold there. I mean, Beckett is still operating, and what do they do in May fifty nine, So I mean. I guess, I guess it would have to just it would.

Depend on what, like how many they're getting if it's enough that like they're barely if they're doing less than TAG, you know, and not throwing shade out there, but if they're doing less than a company like Tag or something, then yeah, you might want to consider shutting the doors. But I don't know what their their op you know, their OP costs are. I don't know what the purchase price was when the sale happened. Obviously, Nat, you know, he has to be a smart guy.

He's making moves that I guess he feels his best. Whether he truly believes this decision is the best for both companies. That part, I don't know, because I feel like it's a one way street right now, just by the way that was explained, So you know, I don't think he would just let them continue on just to be nice to the hobby. But I also don't know what the number would be to make it, you know, maintain.

I'm gonna just stick with my tinfoil of there's still gonna be around six, and they're going to be pushing somewhere in the vicinity of fifty zero. Yeah, well, listen, I think we can both end with the agreement. I think the the next three to six months and the gem rate report and seeing how this decision is being received by the collectors, by the hobbyists across the board, right, it's gonna be an interesting next three to six months. I think what happens in the next three to six months will set the tone for what will happen in the next year and obviously past that.

And I know that the company, you know, we we've discussed. I know they're a supporter of your podcasts and everything, and. I don't know want for the moment. Well, I want to make something clear because if they do listen, they obviously have been great to me and my wife and everybody that is.

They even went as far as making a custom label and submitting free submissions for a young boy that was battling cancer. Many people knowing Mason Farelli, uh he wound up losing his battle, but we were blessed enough to get to know Mason and his dad a bit and help them. We were submitted the cards for Mason and got all that done through the help over Fractor Jones. I just want to say Pete and on my Rep Brian Andy Raffa, who is my REP when I started, and he's now with JSA.

Like all of the people I've ever dealt with with the company, they have been absolutely amazing. And I do want to reiterate this isn't It's not being negative Nancy or Debbie Downer the sky is falling or anything else. It just sucks. It sucks seeing it sucks seeing Pete take that role and being so passionate and building that company to something people said it couldn't be, and know that the likelihood is it's going to just make a U turn.

And I kind of feel bad for him because he, you know, he didn't do everything he promised us. He didn't give us the podcast, he didn't you know, the app it got around to it. We never got a set rate, you know, he didn't he never updated the label, but he did give the collectors and the ones who supported SGC great service, awesome turnaround time, you know, for the most part, very consistent, fair, accurate grading, and price points that were usually really good. And so if they listen, I just want to make sure all of them, everybody with the company.

Yeah, I I've appreciated you guys. There's no hate, no bad blood for me. The only reason I bowed out was I have never since the start charged more than the company themselves charged, and I mostly did it just to help the folks out. And I've had people message and say, hey, I'll pay more, and it's just it's not something I want to do.

I don't I don't want to feel like I'm I'm making people pay, you know, especially with the economy and finances and everything, it's it's cheaper for them to do it on their own. So you know, that's the only reason I made to do. Well said, I echo that sentiment what you said about the staff and the people. It's a great point.

And you know, let's hope, Hey, let's hope it maybe just a blip on the radar. I don't know if it is or it is it. I have a gut feeling, but I sometimes my cup feelings can be wrong. To Brandon so maybe I'm sort of hoping Mike gout feelings wrong again.

My relationship with s SHEC has always been a good one. The people have been great to me. They've always answered my questions and responded back, come on the show. Blah blah blah.

I have nothing negative to say there, and I hope that you know that continues and they can. And I'll leave it at that. But I appreciate listen, number one. I appreciate your candor and your candidness.

That's how I try to be, you know, even like you said, they're a sponsored of the show, But even when they sponsored this started, I said, listen, I'm going to give my opinion. People are gonna come on the show. People are going to come on the show and give their opinion that may not always align with you. I keep it real.

And they're like, John, we want you to be like that, and we can't tell your guests what to say or not to say, so you do you And they've always been supportive, even even on that. So I appreciate you being the same way and we we think very similar. Let me just put it that way. Uh, but more about you here, kind of wrapping it up here, I always give the guests last where where people can find you on YouTube, any social anything you want to share where people can see what bobbles in ballcark.

Yeah, I have two YouTube channels. I don't put out like any kind of schedule. Uh you know, I kind of if something like if I want to get a while here and do a video or something, I do it. But bobbles and ball cards it's the card channel.

The other channel I haven't done in a while, but Instagram bobbles and ball cards. And then we do have a Facebook group that's been the place where the group submissions happen, where all these. Were laid and it's also bobbles and ballcard. Well, Brandon, thank you.

Will do this again, maybe not a whole year, but we'll we'll revisit and maybe we'll revisit also again in a year and kind of look at what look at how close you're you see? Prediction was, Yeah, So well thanks Brandon, take care, thank you. There you go. We uh you know, I want to thank Brandon for coming on last episode. This episode kind of deep dived a little bit what we think is going on at SGC and maybe what happens uh in the future would actually see.

We don't know for sure, we're only speculating, but it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out, how some of these decisions they're making. Maybe it's a part of a big picture thing. But uh, you know, Brandon loves the hobby. May not both submit anymore, but he's still going to be an important part of the hobby.

Time for all the people announce of the week. Hello, we are great Rory and we are xact collectible. Please remember the highest the people. If you'd like to be the hobby is the people announcer of the week.

Do a one or MP three file and send it to Sportscardination PC at gmail dot com.