Gary Vaynerchuk Special E335A Sports Card Nation

Sports Guardinations Hobby is the people weekly news and interviews. It's your number one soul. Sports Garnation Hobby is the people sports guard Nation. What is up? Everybody? Welcome to Sports Cardination Podcast again on a Monday.

Release on a Monday, yep, exactly that. Let me explain. We're calling this episode three thirty five A, three thirty five and three thirty six A. Sports Cardination is a great guest Lou Vigliotti, but an opportunity presented itself to have the gentlemen we have on today's show on the show, and I already had locked in the numbering.

So we're gonna call this three thirty five A and release it in a place where Hobby quickens would normally be. And so today's guests you may know him if you've been in the hobby, or even if you haven't. Gary Vaynerchuk, more affectionately known as Gary Vee, He's got a new product, the Tops Chrome V Friends Edition, but we're gonna chop up a little hobby as well as talk about that. So we're gonna release it today Monday and going commercially interrupt them.

There may be pre and post rolls done by my podcast platform on their own record, but there'll be no commercials in the audio itself unless they added in. I won't be putting any and like I normally would with this podcast. So without further ado, let's bring on Gary V. Very happy to speak with my next guest on the Sports Cardination Podcast.

If you're watching this on video, he doesn't need an introduction, but for for audio purposes. He's an uber successful entrepreneur, entrepreneur, businessman, creator. He's obviously a card collector like many of us listening to this program. He's got a new product.

It's not really new, but a new iteration of the product that he already has, which is V Friends now going to be in with with tops Chrome. And I probably missed a tag there, Gary uh for you, but Gary V, thank you for gracing us with your president. I should be thanking you, John, thank you for having me on the podcast. I'm thrilled that you mentioned anything, let alone miss something.

So I'm thrilled to be here. And I'm really a fan of the content you've been creating. I think these card podcasts matter. I'm envious of all the fifteen year olds that have all these I would have been a much happier boy in nineteen ninety if all these if all these shows existed, because I'd be listening to them twenty four to seven.

I'm thrilled to be here. So thank you. Yeah, no problem again, thank you as well. You know, we're both for New York City products.

In New York City. We have actually similar card starts as well. I started doing flea markets as a very young man. Man, I'm older than you, so I got my start a little older just by being born earlier.

Then went at the shows, opened my card store up at twenty did that for six seven years, and then the online card world real exploded and blew up. But you've been in the hobby a while, like me, We've seen this thing just explode right in the front of our eyes and both our cases part of that. And I mean, does anything does that surprise you? I mean, just talking about the years you're involved in this thing, just some of your thoughts looking back from you know, that flea market start and then doing those shows as a young man to where we are today in the hobby. Yeah, I mean I think so for me, you know, in eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, when I'm chasing Don Mattingly's and Dave Winfield's and Mike Paguilar Rulos and Dave Brighetti cards.

You know, you know, I'm a kid. I'm not really thinking in macro business terms or the concept of the hobby. You know, what year were you born? Brother? Seventy two so older? So you know this. Eighty seven Tops was out of control, like that was the apex, Like you know, eighty seven Tops is just a watershed moment in card history.

That Christmas season, even the kids in my grade that weren't into cards got a full set of eighty seven Tops. I can't even imagine how much eighty seven Tops was produced. You know, I think the press is just shut up. Yeah, exactly, So you know I think, you know, eighty seven Tops was when I think it was in sixth grade Baseball Card Club opened in my school.

Eighty seven was the first time I went to a card show. Eighty seven was when I realized there was the Beckett Baseball Card Guide. Prior to that, I'm just kind of collecting. Now I'm like, wait a minute, these things are worth money.

And I was an entrepreneur from the get right. I'm doing lemonade stands. I'm doing baseball cards. Excuse me, I'm doing shoveling snow.

I'm like, I'm like car washing anything. You know, I grew up pretty humbly and so anything for a buck because my parents were not in the business of buying me toys. So if I wanted stuff, I needed to buy it. When I realized cards were worth money, that was insane.

And so, you know, I think from eighty seven to now, over all these decades, you know, I'll be honest with you, I'm not overtly surprised, as I said today as a forty nine year old businessman, because I believe that trends change. You know, for our grandparents, John like collecting antiques from Europe, or stamps or coins where their flavor of choice. For you and I as we go into this chapter of midlife in our fifties, right go into that chapter. You know, if you and I have disposable income, we want to buy a Mantle, Rookie, we want to buy a Jordan, Like these are our antiques, these are our stamps, these are our collectibles.

And it's gone beyond us right now, people collect sneakers and video games and you know, collectibles are inherently human. I'm cave men collected pretty rocks, you know. And and so this is a forever game. So I'm not surprised because sports has become a much bigger part of our culture.

You know, you may know this, John, but the kids that are listening don't. Athletes in the forties and fifties had jobs in the off season because they didn't get paid enough. Yeah, man, Sulvan shut like you know, you hit it right on the head. The contracts weren't what we see today.

And even and if you say that Gary, even some of the bigger names, you know, some would say, well some of the begger even some of the bigger names. A lot of those guys did like speaking engagements or went to no different. Era, worked in like a hardware store, and hoboken like it was time or whatever. Maybe eleven.

I don't even remember the number anymore. You know, my football knowledge is better than baseball. But like he's one of the great players, Hall of Famer, like these guys were. So what I'm getting at there is the business of sports has become much bigger, and that trickles down into our wonderful hobby, you know.

And so no I'm not overtly surprised as you might have saw. John, I started to get loud in twenty seventeen eighteen nineteen pre covid about cards at that point had a big social media presence, and it was because I went to seventeen's National or maybe eighteen in Cleveland, and I was like, something's happening here. Because my career went like this, John, I was in it from eighty four to eighty eight as a kid collector. Then from eighty eight to ninety four I was a deal, full pledge dealer.

While I was in high school and even late junior high I would spend many weekends selling base. Any weekend and I wasn't you know the four or five weekends my dad gave me that I didn't have to work in his store. I would do shows, I would sell at school, this pre internet. Then I was Then I went, you know, and went into my family business and took my passion of collecting cards into collecting wine.

And then it respuned for me, John during the Sosa Maguire summer because eBay was out and I was aware those cards got hot. So I had to go through all my comments to find all my Sosas. So I had to go back into all my five thousand countboxes, John and find all my Sosa rookies and not with flee uppernack all that. So I did that first summer on eBay with my brother when he was little kid.

Then I re got focused again when Lebron came out. I thought Lebron was gonna be the next short and shocking. You know, I lived through Brian Taylor and Harold Minor and you know, Todd Popping, Yeah, and Wally Joyner and Corey Snyder and Ellis Bergs and you know, I went through all those eras of like the next big thing, but Lebron hit. So I collected a little bit of O three and then you know, I fell in love, got married, my career took off, and then there was a big fifteen year gap for me coming back in like eighteen.

I collected a little on the side, random stuff I wanted to collect that I could afford. Now I couldn't afford Frank Thomas ninety leaf so easily as a kid, but I needed to get that and madding Lady four. And then obviously grating was not something we grew up with John, you know, that was. That was the biggest calibration of when I got back in the game, the grading and Beckett versus PSA, And then I like vintage, so SGC mattered to me and now and then I became very impatuated and I am now currently.

The current thing I'm collecting now John is fictional character Rookie Cards nineteen forty, Superman Gum Inc. Nineteen sixty six, Batman Tops sixty six, Don Russ, Spider Man, Iron Man, Hulk. You know, rookies, We've seen that, We've seen as you well know, we've seen that market make strides and explode as well. I would actually argue the biggest thing on my mind right now is the next wave of explosiveness, which I think is going to be the comic con community coming to the sports card community.

I think people I am starting to sniff that people want to collect SpongeBob and Harry Potter and Dug from Nickelodeon and Shrek rookie cards, and then guys and gals in our age group Bugs, Bunny, Betty Boop, Popeye, the Sailorman. I'm like very very much spending the last few years of my life in my side time on as a hobbyist, really doing research because I think the supply and demand this coming. John. There's there's no supplies you know, of these older cards vintage, and there's like there's one Wolverine PSA ten rookie card in the world.

One it's like a meaty sticker, yeah, from Venezuela or something like that. Like so, so I think, you know, I think that's going on. So I think the hobby's never been healthier. John, I think it was really good that the hobby's so hot right now where it went through a little bit of that COVID bubble.

A lot of people lost money, made money, fast money fast, losing money in that COVID bubble. And I think that's good because a lot of people in the hobby right now are not making the same mistakes. They're not like this NFL draft right now, Like I don't think you're going to see people pay for Jackson Dart one of ones what they paid for Mac Jones one of ones, because they've learned Daniel Jones one of ones, Like they've learned that speculating on rookies is lucrative if you're miraculously lucky. And Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen or you know, become your guy.

But nine out of ten guy like you know, Malie Willis and Levis and Zach Wilson and you know, like on not Josh Rose. Like, I think people are learning, Like the speculating rookie thing, They're starting to be a little bit more thoughtful. The numbers are still high. There's still a lot of gambling, impact breaking and speculating rookies.

But I'm you know, you've been around it forever, John, you know this. People are a little more thoughtful this time around. And I actually think we're in the new water mark of the hobby. I think this is now the base Pokemon's red hot, as you know, hotter than ever, and the sports stuff and then you see the alternative w NBA UFC some of these products come out.

So and you also have a real owner at the top of fanatics. Michael Rubin's a real businessman, like a real businessman, and so I think. Yeah, I appreciate that he goes out there and talks to folks rather than sit behind closed doors. You do the same with your stuff as well.

That that says something about a person, right, that's Willin. Also he's a sports enthusiast like Rubiny. I know him well enough to know like he loves sports, like going to a card show and debating if Tyron Maxy Tyres Maxy is going to be better than you know Zion will like he likes that banter. And but again what I know, and I've known him a long time from Afar and I got to know him over the last decade closer like that's a real businessman who like wants the hobby to get very big.

You've got Pokemon red hot and then and then you've got characters like me who fell in love and were affected by this hobby. Who are you know? Now, I'm taking my stab at trying to build a Disney of Marvel of Pokemon. And I'll be honest with you, I hope the friends inspires other entrepreneurs to make you know, music cards, or build their own universe or you know. And it's a very good time for the hobby.

Yeah, no doubt. You mentioned, you know, the Covid bubble, which I called it like the Midas touch. You really could do no wrong almost as a buyer and seller during that period. But it's a great point by you, Gary.

We're now in a type of hobby's still very strong, as he said, but you have to be smarter to be successful. It's it's just doesn't It's not gonna happen on its own. You're gonna have to do the dude, put in the work, the research, and do all this during cod Yeah, go. Ahead, Yeah no, No, I'm stortying through it.

Please. Yeah. So I just I say, now you really have to do your due diligence. We're during COVID.

It was like everybody was doing well. Now you've got to put it. That's right. And by the way, it's why I'm so obsessed with vintage, Like you know, Will Chamberlain's Will Chamberlain forever, you know.

What I mean. Like I'm not guessing when I buy a Jordan Rookie. I'm not speculating when I think eighty six eighty seventh Fleeer might be underpriced now post bubble on Barkley, you know, or a chem Elijah one. I'm not hoping and praying for Dan Marino to be good.

He is good, and so I think, you know, I think a lot of the kids are learning. I think vintage will continue to matter. Notice how I just talked about fictional cards. I didn't talk about the new Disney chrome, the new Marvo chrome, not even talking about I'm talking about the rookie cards from the sixties and forties and seventies that there's no supply of.

So I think kids or new entries into this. The real business logic of supply and demand continues. I remember when I said, so I bought no So I on the record, I thought Zion was going to be a very good pro, John, But I bought. You weren't the only one.

But John, is that the books that closed yet either? But you're right, it's the. Time, John, I bought no Zions. I bought no Zions because I knew production for Panini was going to be through the root, because the hobby was red hot. And I knew that Zion's one vulnerability was injury, given how he played and the weight and everything.

And so you know, as a kid, I bought every John Olarude, every Todd Van Poppol, every Brian Taylor, every Harold Minor, every single Browning Nagel. I mean, I speculated because it's fun, right, you get the rookie car and but the problem is, John, you know this in the nineties when you and I were doing it. A hot card, Greg Jefferies was eight bucks. Now, Greg Jefferies guy, that was my dude.

When I was speculating on him, when all that was going out. Those cards were if somebody got to ten dollars a card, that was insanity. I remember Sheffield Upper Deck, Sheffield's Upper Deck after like twelve bucks. I thought it was like a billion dollars.

Now you get you get an insert of a kid who has got a three percent chance to be a Hall of Famer as a first round pick, and they're going for eight thousand dollars. Like the stakes are higher now, John. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane.

Speaking of Greg Jefferies, I still got three binders of Greg Jefferies' Rookie's sitting in my garage and my wife wanted me to throw him out. We did like a little spring cleaning, and I couldn't. I couldn't pull the trigger. I'm like, no, that's got a states, this can go, this can go.

The three Greg Jefferies binder's stead Jeffrey Stay I had. I had some bookie cards. Oh, the one that really hit for me was Kenny Lofton. I was such a big college basketball fan.

I remember when Kenny Lofton was the point guard on a Final four Arizona team. I realized he was a prospect in baseball. I went crazy. That one worked out for me.

Yeah, he's not. He's a borderline Hall of famer. If you look at it's not. I'm actually I'm actually kissed.

He's not. He should be a Hall of famer. John, Yeah, I think you know people, you know, like they say, chicks dig the long ball, and that wasn't his game and he never played you know, it wasn't from the start. But when you look at everything else, you know he was.

He was. He was a four tool player minus minus the so. During that Juice era he dinged out some couples. Well yeah, all right, so listen, let's talk some some be friends.

This thing, you launched it in twenty twenty one. Like I said the intro, this isn't new, but you have a new iteration of it coming with tops Chrome. What kind of the start off? And this thing has the life of its own there it is. Well well, John, it has a life of its own, and it's well said for everyone who's listening to your podcast.

Since I'm a fan of it. I know that ninety nine percent of people here don't know about it. I'm aware that ninety percent of the people. No, that's a high number.

I know. Fair enough, fear enough, fair enough. I'm maybe playing a little too much of a humble card because obviously the National has been good to us. I see, Yeah, I was gonna say, I see your booth at the National, and that's like, that's obviously, as you know the number.

A better way to say it, A better way to say is, I'm empathetic that ninety five percent of the people listening right now think it might come and go a meta zoo you remember sports flicks when you and I were in the in the nineties. Or there's probably somewhere around here. So so I'm empathetic that people think it may come and go. But I will say this, given how educated and thoughtful your community is, if people went to eBay and went to completed items and typed in V friends, vee friends, one word, I think they'd be flabbergasted on what's happened over the last four years in a very separate part of the universe.

To your point, not dead in the hobby, but over here to the left, slightly touching the hobby has been this four year journey of a you know, two decades successful entrepreneur. That's me putting in a lot of work building out this universe that's grounded in really cool dynamics. On the facade, it's Pokemon, it's very collectible, it's about competition. But then underneath it's a little bit Jim Henson, a little Sesame Street, a lot of good.

You know, I'm trying to teach kids and parents, you know, focused falcon my focus matters or ambitious angel or accountable ant or you know, you know, considerate cowboy like you know, you know, talking about being considerate person that's got some nobleness behind it, like the noble Numbat another character in our world. So I'm building this world. We've done really well with comic books. There's cartoons.

If someone listening has a kid between four and nine years old, if you go to v friends dot com slash cartoons, I think you'd be really pleasantly surprised in the quality of the cartoon. And this Tops Chrome launch John has been on fire. You know, Tops pre sold it a couple of weeks ago for ninety nine dollars a box. The secondary market has taken off, and it's caught a lot of people in the hobby off guard because there's just been a lot more demand.

As you said, we've done two other card releases. They were done by zero Cool, which was a startup company that Tops bought. Josh Lubert, a founder of stock x, created. We did Series one, we did Series two.

They've done extremely well. Series one was made more like a flawless National Treasure's only one thousand bucks high end. Series two was made a TCG which you would only get you if you bought the NFT because we do NFTs as well digital collectibles, which I'm sure you've seen John and others. The Panini NFTs are hot right now over there, if that's caught your attention.

But this is obviously this is the mothership, you know, super fractors. I made an insert in here called Erupt, which is like a Kaboom. There's only one in every thirteen cases. It's actually drawn by the original artist of Kaboom twenty thirteen basketball.

There's a Y two K insert which is a hat tip to Pokemon's only year with Tops Chrome in two thousand and they had a y two K insert, so there's a manga variant. It's all it's got your number to five reds, so it's a pure play chrome card. There's a Superfractors of Michael Rubin Superfractor because one of the inserts is the entrepreneur Elf is a big character in my world. The Entrepreneur ELF's Favorite Entrepreneurs insert which has Ruben and Dana White and Me and Ariana Huffington Stephen Bartlett.

So it's a well thought out checklist. The boxes are loaded because the production run was a little limited, so there's a lot of great inserts. And I've put in a lot of work, John, I've you know, I'm doing a lot of outreach to local card stores. I went to Atlanta for the national event with card stores and like was on, you know, spent a lot of hours mingling.

As you know, for the last four years I've been mingling at the National with the dealers, and so I'm excited about where we're at right now. And we're early. Look, I've got twenty years of perfect execution to get in striking distance of Pokemon. So it's not lost on me how big my ambitions are.

But John, i'd be lying to you if I didn't have confidence that I'm building something very real. Yeah, well you listen. You weren't born yesterday, you built stuff up before. This isn't your first rodeo, as they like to say.

And the fact that you're attending these things, and I'm again as a testament right to your passion, right you care. This is your base. The dirty little secret is I would pay to attend the National let alone. Don't good news.

They're in good shape. I'm coming. I have a corporate spot. I get plenty of our dollars.

But like to your point, I don't know if you know this, John. This is why I admire so many of you. My lifelong dream as a kid was town a baseballer. My dad had a liquor store.

I wanted to have a baseball card store. And when I was a teenager, I fell in love with wine collecting, so my destiny changed. But this is my favorite hobby I've ever This is my only hobby, collecting cards. And I also do a little comics and a little bit collectible toys.

So this is why V friends make so much sense. For my high school friends that know me, I was eighty percent trading cards, but I collected Star Wars figures. I collected comics. I was huge when Valiant I got killed on that.

That was the junk wax era of comics. I owned a shitload. Sorry, I don't know if cursing's loud on this, but I owned an ungodly amount of Valiant comics in the nineties. But you know, I like pop culture.

I like buying things at flea markets and selling on eBay, toys, puzzles, you know, games like this is my jam and I'm humbled and grateful to be a part of it deeply now. And v friends will keep me in it for the rest of my life, John, the rest of my life. There you go, and you mentioned Pokemon and and but you you know, Pokemon's already been done and this isn't Pokemon. You've made that very clear.

It's very different. But you know, kind of paying that, you've also paid homage to them. We listen, Well, the reason I pay a image is Pokemon in the Latin is one of the most successful intellectual properties of all time, and it's young. You know.

I wasn't there when Disney first hit the scene. I wasn't there when Hannah Barbera hit the scene. But I was there when my brother, who's eleven years younger than me, was begging me to go to the cartstore and buy a box of Pokemon for me. I'm working at this liquor store and I'm like, what is that? So I went to the local store.

I'm like, you got Pokemon and he's like, you mean Pokemon. I was like yeah. He's like, I'm like, what's going on. He's like, it's the hottest thing.

Now. I did collect and flip Magic the Gathering when it first came out, and so I was aware of the gen and again because I was who I was, a lot of my friends in grammar school played dungeons and dragons and so I was around nerd culture and liked it and believed in it. But when I saw Pokemon in you know, mid nineties, and my brother was so deep, that really caught my attention. And so, yeah, I have very big aspirations and we do have a lot of what's unique about b Friends is we have a lot of characters.

I mean, in top s Chrome twenty twenty five, there's one hundred characters in the set, but that still leaves out about one hundred and fifty plus other characters that will be in twenty twenty six, and so similar to Pokemon, there's a lot of characters. Similar to Pokemon. There's a collecting DNA in the IP different than not different than Pokemon, but more like Sesame Street. There's a real agenda for the v Friends to leave a positive impact on both kids and parents.

Well, even the names of the characters gary their trade you admire in people and yourself. Most people would admire the traits that you know, honesty, loyalty, along those lines, right, So it's a great lesson in there. You didn't have You didn't necessarily have to do that. No, you could have made a product that minus that part if you wanted to.

Yet that was important enough to you to include it as as the product, as the final edition. And I think that's I commend you for it because I think that's that's great. It's a great lesson for kids to learn. And what is loyalty? I mean maybe they've heard it.

I don't know what it is. I've already literally thank you for saying that. You just get I just got chills because I'm so excited. I just got a direct message on Instagram.

It's a thank you so you know I want to open it. You know, I see that and I click in the guys like I got my box yesterday. I opened it and my son is freaking out for the considerate cowboy. That's probably why I mentioned it earlier, and that gave me a fifteen minute conversation with my son about being considerate.

Like parents need help right now, John, The world's complex. There's a lot going on. Yeah, I'm really proud of it. But it's also Look, we have a comic book direct to consumer, comic book play right now.

And I would also say for people listening it also got like we put we're putting a mature label on comic number five. It's pretty grown up. It's more for the Walking Dead crowd. It's you know, like so it's fun to play.

The other thing I will tell you, John and leaving you is there's a lot of I'm gonna speak Look, there's a lot of moms and dads, a lot of boys and girls that collect. But I'm gonna speak to the dads right now because I am one. I feel like a lot of dads in the hobby John would love to have something to collect. With their daughter.

And by the way, again, I want a caveat it because I know people get sensitive. I'm aware that many girls like sports and all that, but I definitely am really excited. Even the packaging that for the people that are watching you can see there's a lot of packaging that you know, the fearless Ferry is on the packs, the ambitious angel. I'm excited.

I feel like I've made a product because you know this when when you have common interests with a child, your relationship's much deeper. So i'd be lying to you if I didn't say I'm excited about the notion of knowing I'm gonna get emails from dads in a couple of months saying, hey, thank you so much for making this product. Me and my daughter just completed our set. It gave us.

You know, I used to have to drag her to the hard store with me and my son or her herself. So yeah, I think there's a lot of good intent. I would say that this project for me, John is both selfless and selfish. On the selfish part, I'd like to build one of the biggest businesses of all time.

Why not. I'm a competitor. I'm an entrepreneur, and I'd like to build a big business, but on the selfless part. To your point, I could.

I didn't have to go down the route of altruism of bringing positivity to the world, but practicality and that is a big agenda of pr front. Yeah, and I appreciate it. You're going to see a lot of those people here in a few months at the end of July in person. That will you'll.

Get those thank yous, not only social media but directly as well. And I think, you know, kids are going to learn, like could you know when I was eight nine I saw the word loyalty, But I truthfully, if you asked me, hey, what does that mean to you? My definition might have been close, but not exactly. And so it's going to be a teaching thing as well. It's going to be a community, which it already is for that man, but a bigger community.

And uh, you know, it's it's gonna be fun to see each year in the iteration of it real quick. I know you're pressed with that, like how much how much cart block? I mean, this is your baby's top's good? What you letting you do kind of what you want? Like let this you know. Truthfully you want real yes and no. They were a great partner.

But look, I mean, I feel like they probably underestimated demand. So I'd be lying too if I didn't say I was pushing them to make more. And I was like, I get it, like, you know, you don't know if it's going to do well. It could be a flop.

I go, but look at all this information, look at all the eBay sales, look at all the people that visit the website, look at the national booth. So that was that. I would also say that that on the flip side, outside of probably making less product than I wanted, when I think about the sales team, Brennan, like, when I think about Clay and Mike Mayhan at the top, and then Ruben ultimately at the top, I I think that, you know, it's funny. I think that because they know me so well, they probably rightfully.

John were like, let's just make sure the first year goes well because maybe we're like, maybe we wanted for Gary too much, or maybe we're being delusional because he has had so much success in the past. So I'm empathetic to how we got there. So I would say overall, ninety percent yes, I'd be lying to John though if I didn't say I'm upset that the secondary price has gone to where it's gone so fast. You know it, you know, yeah, just you know we priced it.

It's hard to control that. I know that there are little things it's hard to John. I know that. Listen, I'm a market guy.

I've been around the block. But it was priced for ninety nine dollars for a reason, original right. I wanted this to get into more hands at three fifty a bucks, less hands than ninety nine. Luckily we did blasters.

Luckily it's going to be at all the game stops, or excuse me, half the game stops. Luckily they're selling it at twenty five bucks a blaster. John, I did something cool. I did a one of one in the blasters.

There's a one of one blaster in so called blast Off. I'm very proud of that. I feel like blaster boxes are always getting things that don't matter, so I was excited to do something very big in there. So I'm proud of that.

I would say this in my parting shot. If you came into this saying or not knowing, if you gave thirty minutes on Twitter on discord, on Instagram, on eBay or at the National If you give thirty minutes to V Friends, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised of how deep and real it is. And we'd love to have you on board because the community is incredible and we're putting out a lot of practical positivity. Yeah, no doubt.

You want to give out websites, socials, anything you want to share with you. Wrap it up. Yep. I think V Friends and it's everywhere V friends and V Friends cards.

So ve E Friends is the thing. It's not V it's vee Friends, and feel free to dm me. I'm Gary ve H and I thank you for your time and your audience and your graciousness. John, thank you, Thank you Gary, and continued success.

It's still being fun to much for sure. Okay. I've talked to Gary a Foot a few times in person, but this was the first time he's ever been on the show. Real appreciative.

He's a very busy guy and now especially with the release about the drop and out, So glad glad he made some time thought enough of us to come on and appreciate him. That's an interesting product and he's done a great job since twenty twenty one with v Friends, and now with it being in Tops CROB, I think it's gonna go to the next level. So check that out, check what he's doing out. He gave out all that stuff.

At the end, and hey, maybe we'll have him back. On at some point in the future. So all right, that's gonna wrap it up. Thank you for listening to this special episode of Sportscardination Podcast, and we'll see you real soon.