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Sports guard Nations Hobby, It's the people, Wheely News and Interviews,

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It's your number one song, Sportscarnations hobby is the people.

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Sports Guarnation. What is up?

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Everybody? Welcome to Episode three of Sports Cardination Podcast. A

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little bit of a treat, at least I think so

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every year, been blessed to do a main stage performance

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at the National for the last I think five years,

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and each year I try to bring up different folks

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to be a part of it and so keep it fresh,

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and this year was no exception. I brought up two

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gentlemen named Tony Tony Leebrick Southern Collector fourteen and Tony

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DiMarzio tj is Online, and we talked about strategies buying

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before the National, not buying before the National, raising capital

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before the National or at the National to fund our

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passion and our hobby. We talked about vintage cards and

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some again some tips and strategies, exit strategies, and so

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it was a fun fifty so minutes on stage with

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both tonys and I got the audio here, so part

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one will be today and part two will be on

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episode three fifty, So again I hope you enjoy it.

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It was a blast being up there with Tony. And

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Tony want to give a shout out to all our

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great sponsors, Iron Sports, Cards, Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby, Hotline,

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and Upper Deck. And today featured sponsor is Upper Debt.

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And here is part one. All right, if you were

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here for the previous show, you might remember my name

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is Sean Newman Sports Carnation Podcast, and that's what this

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segment of the on stage is going to be. I'm

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joined by two better looking gentlemen than me, so that

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that part's good, both named Tony and I'm gonna introduce

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him in alphabetical order to be fair that way. There

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are no fights up here, and we avoid that. But

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I'm kidding. They both like each other. But they're actually

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in alphabetical order. To my left, first, Tony DiMarzio. There

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is I sometimes forget, but there's a space between the

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E and the M, and he yells at me when

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I forget, so I won't do I won't do it anymore. U.

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TJ is online is where you can find him on

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the UH on the interwebs. And to his left, H

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Southern Collector, UH, mister Tony Leebrick and UH producing some

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great content and uh, we're gonna talk some National, We're

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gonna talk some vintage. I don't know if there's people

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here for either one of those, but that's what we're

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gonna we're gonna tackle on today's program. I'm gonna start out, guys.

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You know, for me, I can only speak for myself here.

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I have a limited you know, like a lot of people,

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or most people have a limited budget. One of the

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things I've done before the National, uh, is like three

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months before, sometimes two months before, I really stop buying.

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Any cards of significance.

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I'm not saying I don't buy any cards, but anything

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of real big you know, lots of money, if you will,

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or significant money, and I kind of save up to

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bring it to this event, knowing a with a list

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of five eight cards. What's your does your approach change

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for a show like this in comparison to maybe a

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local show or a show you're doing or attending on

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a local level.

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That's great, that's a great question. So this is my

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third National. Second I attendant with my son Anthony, who's

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sitting in the first row. My first National was a

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nineteen eighty eight one. It was in Atlantic City and

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that's really my father started talking about, you know, saving

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money for the Baseball Greats, but I was too busy

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buying eighty seven flare of rack packs and grabbing Wally

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Joyner and those other types of cards. But with that

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and remembering how that was and how last year went,

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I always try to save up my budget for the hobby,

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especially for the National. But it's hard because you have

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wonderful regional shows like the Philly Show. You have to

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share Antilly Show and the Boston Shriners, so it's difficult,

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but you do try to change your approach. But every

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now and then you get the occasional auction or a

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friend recommends a card that you can find prior to

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the National, and before you know it, your National budget's gone.

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So it's it's just something that we have that.

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We have to be a card. Uh Tony Squared. I

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guess we'll yeah.

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So this is only my second National.

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Now I've gone to some pretty I'm in Nashville and

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we have a pretty good show there that has a

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lot of the National dealers that I go to. But

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I'm more budget my money towards when a big auction.

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When I get word that there's a big card that

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I want that fits in my lane, that doesn't come

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up very often. That's what I kind of saved my

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budget towards the National is more of a buying opportunity.

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But I don't come here of searching for big cards

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because even though there's some here, I don't want to

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carry that much cash on me. And also sometimes this

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can be sensory overload for me. And then on days

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like today when it's so crowded, you can't even get

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to a table to see what's there. So when I

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know there's an auction coming, and if any of you

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guys watch me, you know what my lanes are and

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there's different ones. But when I see a certain card

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it's gonna be a big dollar card, I'll kind of pause.

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So I'm not spending a lot of money here. Well,

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in my terms, you know, it's all relevant. But when

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I you know, if I've I've pretty much spent my

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wallet on this already, and I'm just gonna hang out

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with buddies. But I'm saving my money for this card

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that's coming up, that I got word that's gonna be

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out there and I'm gonna make a good.

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Run at it. I might not get it, but I'm

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at least putting myself in the ball game.

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Yeah, you know, even it's it's good points there, right,

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and we forget about that. I mean I bet on

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stuff on the auction house too. It's a good opportunity

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and sometimes even even save a few bucks from the

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national sticker shock in some cases as well. Things I do.

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You know, I'm a dealer, so I do shows. I

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do about two shows every month. So if I have

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a really good show, obviously I put my sales tax.

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I know the I R S is here, So I

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put some of my sales tax to the side in

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an envelope, and then I put some extra money that's

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basically for to for this week, right for the National.

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A buddy of mine was always going to Vegas a lot,

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and I'm, you know, middle class, not rich, and I'm like,

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how are you going to Vegas so much? And He's like, hey,

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I do what's called a dollar envelope John, And I said, well,

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what is what Explain that to me? He says, every

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day I get home and I know I'm not going

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back out.

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I'm in for the night.

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Whatever ones are in my pocket, I just throw them

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an envelope and forget about him. And I do that

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every day and he goes at the end of that year.

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Some years I have like four figures, you know, one

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you know, like eleven hundred bucks, twelve hundred bucks, and

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I don't even like I saved that without even really

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realizing it.

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He goes, you ought to do it. So I've done

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it for like eight year.

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I actually did that before the National, before my first national.

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And the first year I did it, I think I

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had eleven hundred bucks in the envelope. It didn't feel

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like I was like putting eleven hundred bucks aside. Right,

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that's a nice card. And so I've done it. I've

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done it every year since then. And my lowist has

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been like four hundred bad one year apparently that year,

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and then my highest had been sixteen hundred wow. So

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and you don't even notice it. And that's just extra

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card money, right and obviously my contact creation full disclosure,

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I don't do it for this reason, but it does

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generate some fun. So that goes right back in the hobby,

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whether it be for the show or for cards that

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I buy that I could talk about on the show.

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And so it's just a cycle like that. As well,

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so those are just some things how you could save.

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I'll throw that out there. I know we're early in

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the show here, guys, kind of your early thoughts on

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what you've seen so far here.

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Like you, I also have an envelope where I save

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money every month. But what happens is I keep a

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top fifteen list on my phone using iOS notes about

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the cards I like. And the challenge maybe for the

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both of you also is when a car comes up

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at auction or you see it online, and then you

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have to dig into that envelope, which is your national money,

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because then if you don't, then you're taking money out

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of out of an account that you don't want to.

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So what do you do in those shows?

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I think I might be the stupid guy up here

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because I just don't buy anything for three months. When

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I say anything, I mean anything of like big time cards.

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So so I and now I think of it, I'm

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kind of sad because like that means I can only

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buy these really nice cards nine of the twelve months.

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But it's so I can come here and and so

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what you know for me, Tony, I come.

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In here and you know this.

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But for those listening, and this will come out in

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audio later on too. Is I come into this show

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with a list of like five to eight I'll say items,

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because they're not always all.

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Cards, like one of the items on.

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This year Wantless If you Will is it Jackie Robinson Auto,

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So it's not necessarily a card. But so I come

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into the show with five to eight items. I'm not

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going to get every item. I know that, and the

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budget doesn't wouldn't allow that if I if I found

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them all, or found them all even at a decent price.

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So I come in with the target of getting two

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or three of them. If I can get two or

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three of them for me, that's a successful No, it's

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not that it's a Nazi like if you come here,

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don't have fun, no matter what you did something wrong.

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But from the card aspect, if I can pick off

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two or three out of that list of five to eight,

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I look at that as a successful venture, at least

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in the card earning portion of it. Some years I've

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done better than others. Some years I found it. I

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found a decent card early. Most years it seems like

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it's there Saturday before I find or may pull the

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trigger on something. Even this year, I'm purchasing a thirty

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three Goudy Jimmy Fox. It's a pre arranged deal. I

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have to yet to meet up with the gentleman I'm

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buying it from, so it's a done deal. I just

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we just gotta make the exchange of card and money.

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So for me, I hope to come out of here

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with two or three cards and then after the show,

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you know, all everything sort of back to no. I

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take that that three months, you know, sabbatical is off

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and away we go again. But for you, how what's

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your approach like coming into the show. Do you have

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like you, like Tony, you said you have a you know,

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sort of a list of things you're looking for? Do

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you Sometimes I've been told like it's better to almost

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not have a list and just whatever hits your eye.

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How do you approach your buying at the National?

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Tony?

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So I don't really have a physical list. I just

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kind of know what I need. Now, I do have

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a list, Like I look at the National like this

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is an opportunity to pick up cards. It's a buying opportunity.

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I'm building the nineteen fifteen Crackerjack set right now in

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the commons.

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Just don't come up all the time.

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You can pick up the Hall of Famers and auctions

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and things like that, but the common cracker jacks, you know,

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and they're gonna run you two to three hundred bucks

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a pop, but you just can't find them. And so

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this is an opportunity to have some really good dealers

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with a great collection of cracker jacks. So I've actually

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already I've made it. Sure, I did it early before

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they got gone, but I bought eleven and so I've

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got those eleven. I've already put them in the safe

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in the room, and so that's that's what I looked

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at this.

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The main thing for the National to me is is

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the opportunity to hang out with buddies.

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It's a social thing.

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We have the YouTube event tonight and you get to

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see all the guys that you talk to on a

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regular basis and hang out and have a good time

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and and so it's things like that, we going I'm

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going to a dinner tomorrow night and hanging out with

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a bunch of buds. So it's just a buying opportunity.

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So I budget a certain amount every month that I'm

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willing to spend, and I bet I have a slush

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fund at the same time. So if something comes up

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that doesn't come up all the time and it's right

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for the national, I'll grab it.

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So, uh, this is an example of one.

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That's a terrible card.

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It's a Rookie Hank Aaron, which obviously you can see

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it from eight rows back. But what's really I'm one

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of my lanes is autograph vintage, and so I love.

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Autograph vintage cards.

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Uh, it's this one has been JSA certified, it just

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hasn't been slapped. But what's really special about this one

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is it's an ink pen Rookie year autograph. Because like

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Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron's autograph changed over time and there's

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only maybe three of these that fit.

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Into that category.

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So when this one came up, I grabbed it because

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it fits in my lane and I'm not ever gonna

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see it again. So when things like that happen, I'm

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blessing enough to own my own business, so sometimes I

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can dip into the business kitty bonus a little money out.

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Not everybody has that opportunity, so I know that.

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So you know, I'm very blessed in that standpoint, but

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I will do that. But going into this. I sold

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some cards, so I sold some cards. We're having the

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Vintage Trade night Saturday night. I got a stack of

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Goudys that I'm gonna sell that are gonna fund those

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Crackerjacks that I bought today and last night.

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So I do that too.

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I use my cards as a way to fund my buying,

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so that's important to me.

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And just a quick correction, there is no common card

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in the nineteen fourteen or fifteen cracker Jack set.

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I'm working on the nineteen eighty two. Uh karting.

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I'm kidding, No, that's an obviously, that's a great set

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echoes without saying.

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And once this complete, Tony.

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Let's go.

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You are listening to the sportscard Nation podcast.

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That's the thing sometimes we forget about, right, the journey

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to completion or the journey of an acquisition, right, the

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stories along the way to the people, like Tony Liebrick said, right,

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the people we get to meet and become friends with

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and share.

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You know, while we.

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Share this common bond of card collecting, we get to

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know them. I get to know people, and I'm sure

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I speak for these two gentlemen. I've gotten to know

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people on a deeper level than just the cards. Right,

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that's only the surface, But you get to know them

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the person and their even families and things they do

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besides cards. And you know, sometimes something bad might happen

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and you're maybe you can be there for him in

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those times as well.

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And so and John let me break in real quick.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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A perfect example of that was Orlando exactly and him

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going through his diagnosis and it's so scary, and the

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YouTube community just banded together. Everybody, we did a video.

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I kind of rounded people up. I think we ended

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up with like forty people saying good, good best wishes

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to Orlando that he was they were he was being

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prayed for, and that was a positive thing for Orlando

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to get through it.

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I wouldn't have known Orlando without this.

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There's a couple of guys in this audience right now,

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Nate in Cardboard Verities and Matthew nineteen fifty six types

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got and there's Jonathan.

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Yeah.

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So those guys I met through my Instagram family before

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I ever did YouTube, and this is the first time

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I've met them today in person. So you know, this

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is a fun thing, but it's a hobby inside a hobby,

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and you meet people who are really awesome people and

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they're really they're real friendships. So you know, that's that's

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the reason one of the big reasons I'm here.

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Yeah, go ahead, I was gonna say, And the friendships

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and the at least I think we all could say,

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everyone here like we could talk more about items and

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topics and conversations outside of the hobby, like nothing about

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baseball cards or you know, we end up talking about

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family and sports and what's going on with the kids

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and just you know, jobs, and I like that the

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best part of it.

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Yeah, And you know, speaking over Lando. He's doing better

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and doing well, right, and he did a video. I

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think a lot of people have seen it, and I

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joke with him now you.

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Know, I didn't tell him this before his surgery.

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But like not a lot of hobby content hits me

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where like tears.

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Are going down my face.

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I I don't want to make it out like I

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never cry, but I'm not a big cry But watching

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that video, it's scary, right, It's scary no matter who

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you are. And if you know Orlando, you know he

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speaks from the heart. You know he's a sincere guy.

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I know that video probably wasn't easy for him to make.

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I know he got emotional during it.

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And there in my.

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Office slash studio. Thank my wife didn't walk in say

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what the hell's going on in here? But I you know,

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I was crying because, uh, Orlando's a friend of mine

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and I was worried about him. And anytime you hear that,

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see word, right, I don't care what kind, it's a

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scary thing. And uh, when you care about people and

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you worry about people just as a human being, even

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maybe you don't know someone, and you hear that, right,

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you your your heart goes out to them, but when

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you know him, it's it's to a different level. And uh,

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you know, he was almost you know, I don't know

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about you guys, even watching it, like I almost thought

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there was like a goodbye just in case video and

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I'm like, man, I don't even even if I thought

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that was like, I don't think I could do that.

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And you know, but uh, you know, right now we

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have a happy ending. He's doing well, and uh so

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that that's good. But that's that's a great example, Tony,

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of just where these relationships go. But sides cards right,

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they go to deep personal levels, as they should, and

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that's the that's the fun part. And that's what makes

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the national uh so great, right, seeing people again or

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meeting people like for the first time. What U And

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either way it's fun. Doesn't matter right the events outside

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the show, whether it be a vintage trade night, a

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trade night, a dinner watching the White Sox. I'm still

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waiting for my check to watch and watching the White

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Sox play.

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I'm kidding.

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Unfortunately, Tony, to my left, here's Phillies lost. I brought

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him bad luck. But here's here's another thing. You can

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be adversario and be good friends. Right, I'm a Mets

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fan and he's a Phillies fan, and I think we

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get along pretty good being being the case right.

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Uh.

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And I was this White Sox fan last night because

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the Mets keep losing right now to the Padres. Uh

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so uh but okay, uh, you know we talked about buying.

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What are some straight Like Tony Leebrigg you said like

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I don't like to bring a lot of money. There's

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a lot of people that would probably echo that sentiment.

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I don't bring a Brinks truck, but I like to

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have cash. I think sometimes you know, it's a dealer myself.

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Right when I'm set up, I don't set up here

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to Nashville, and when I set up at the shows

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that I do, right, cash short of you know the

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old saying, right, cash is king. It's true, like mister

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mint Alan Rosen made a career out of bringing briefcase

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and got steals of deals because people could smell that

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and it was right in front of them.

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Well, that really is true.

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Like someone offers me cash at a show that sort

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of trumps an online payment form or whatnot. Maybe they're

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both the same, but seeing it and smelling it, there's

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something about that. Do you think, like not carrying as

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much CAD is it a disadvantager? Maybe not as much

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as I'm making it out to be.

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I like a combination of that approach. I'm here with

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my son for the second straight National and I don't

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feel too comfortable about having him carry large amounts of

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cash because you know, younger guys today, they like to

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wear you know, the mesh shorts with the pants pockets

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aren't that deep, and you're always just worried about, you know,

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backpack picking. But with the forms of payments with Zell

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and PayPal, friends and family and even goods and services,

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it's a nice option, but not a not especially with

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vintage dealers. They vothered deal in cash. When it comes

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to the dealers who I go see with Anthony, they're

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more into the Zell and the PayPal and the then

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the so it's kind of a mixed bag.

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I would say, yeah, I mean I kind of have both,

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so I'll have some cash and then I obviously have

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obviously PayPal and Zell and other things, you know, credit cards.

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Worst case scenario, you know, I don't bring those. I

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use them at home though, But but you know, kids

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today Tony's don't know how to write any of those anymore.

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It's a lost, it's a lost.

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Yeah. So but you know there's a different combinations. Obviously,

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you trade cash and trade uh you know, pay money

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platforms and and that sort of thing. But you know,

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and I always say with credit cards, right, be careful.

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Sometimes it's easy to do, like I'll just pay it

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off or I pay it back, and you.

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Know, the next thing, you know, the bill comes into mail. Right.

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It's funny because.

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When you use your credit card, you get the item,

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whatever it is you're buying, and you don't feel like

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you spent anything because you didn't yet, and then the

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bill comes into your mail like, oh they didn't forget

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about when I bought that. So always the cautionary tale, right,

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it's it's a great tool to use, but know that

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just because you didn't plunk down any the commerce and

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coin that at the exchange, the day still comes when

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it's time to pay the piper. So I've had people

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on my show that were very honest and said I

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got in trouble John doing that. I ran up a

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five figure bill and really was stressing, like how am

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I going to pay this? Or even you know, my

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wife like sees it, I'm in the doghouse or worse,

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you know, a lawyer's house. But you know for me too.

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One of the things, you know, I did my first

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show as a dealer at fifteen years old in nineteen

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eighty seven in New York and I made fifteen hundred bucks,

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and fifteen hundred bucks in nineteen eighty seven is more

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than fifteen hundred bucks today, and fifteen hundred bucks today

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is still fifteen hundred bucks. And I was raised by

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my grandparents, and my grandma said, you know, you can't, Johnny,

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you can't walk around with that. You got to start

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a bank account and put it in the So that's

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what we did. And I've had the same it's switched banks,

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but I've literally had the same account, and it's where

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all my dealer money goes, my taxes and all and

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my content creation stuff goes. And when I was dating

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my wife, she wasn't my wife yet obviously we're actually

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she we were engaged, and she.

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She asked me.

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We're at dinner one night, she goes, what are john

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what are you doing with your business account? And I

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said to her, what do you mean?

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What am I doing with my business account.

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She said, well, marriage is a partnership, and I'm like,

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I agree with you, marriage, this is a partnership. I'm like,

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what are you bringing to the business of cards, And well,

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I don't know anything about that, and I could tell,

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you know, she actually was a little peeve, not like

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it wasn't a fight or nothing, but she was a

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little peeved. And you know, I said, you don't today,

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you may not get it, but someday you.

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Will make this longer story shorter.

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Year, many many moons later, I bought a Jackie Robinson

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leaf Rookie. That was my Grail card. It came she's

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not a card person, but I did show that car,

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and I like, hey, hone, I got my Grail card

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to Jackie Robinson Rookie showed it to her. She never

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really asks like, hey, how much did you make at

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the show or what did that card cast you? But

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she goes can I ask what that cost? And then

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I told her like seventy seven hundred bucks and her

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jaw hit the floor and she goes one card like

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she doesn't like many of us here understanding, she doesn't.

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She goes one piece of cardboard that much and I'm like, well,

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in this case, and I get you know, I did

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whle explaining that at any point you can sell that

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and liquidate at so it's just money in a different form,

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and she gets it now, but that moment she didn't.

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But I also said to her Tony and Tony, I'm like,

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now you're probably glad I have that business account because

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that seventy seven hundred did not come from our joint account.

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So then you know, even that approach as well for

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some if you can do that, even having a separate

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account where you don't upset your home life potentially, if

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you can do that and that sort of thing, All right,

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hope you enjoyed the first part of our on stage

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conversation Tony Liebrick, Tony DiMarzio.

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Great.

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You know, it's a great honor and privilege we get

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to do this each year, and again, I never take

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that for granted. And you know, no matter how many51200:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.559



times I go up there, I'm not just saying that51300:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.519



it's still you know, it's still cool, still cool and51400:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.000



really fun to do. So that was part one, Part two.51500:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.319



The conclusion of this conversation will be on next week's51600:29:00.839 --> 00:29:05.279



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We'll have some closing and partying words and wrap up51800:29:09.279 --> 00:29:10.240



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