July 13, 2026

"Current State of Card Shows" Hobby Quick Hits E233

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There are more card shows than ever before and I attend as both a dealer and consumer. On this episode I share my observations and thoughts about the current state of card shows.


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Hobby Quick Hits, delivering that breaking hobby news direct your earloaders.

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You want to know those hot.

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John new name name, Hello, everybody, Welcome to episode two

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thirty three of Hobby Quick Hits, our every other Monday

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podcast where we usually tackle one subject, one topic. Uh

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and uh you know, I just weigh in on it.

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No guests, just me about twenty minutes. So here we are,

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and today's topic is card shows. And I am a

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veteran of card shows. Did my first card show as

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a fifteen year old kid in nineteen eighty seven and

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have done him ever since. So I'm on my thirty

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ninth year. That's crazy even to say, but my thirty

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ninth year of setting up as a dealer at card shows.

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I also go to card shows as a consumer and

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not setting up as well. So I've been on both

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sides of the table. And we've talked about card shows before,

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but it's been a bit and so we're going to

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weigh in on kind of the current landscape, my thoughts,

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what we're seeing, the good, the bad, and the ugly

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of it all. So that's what today's podcast or topic

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is on Hobby quick Kits. So with that being said,

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let's get into it.

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happenings and news. Then we'll tackle today's topic of discussion.

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Here serving off on the fifteenth, we have twenty twenty

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six Panini Immaculate Baseball, twenty twenty six Pannie Ring Royalty

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Major League Wrestling, twenty twenty five, twenty six Upper Deck

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Parkers Hockey, and on the sixteenth we have twenty twenty

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five twenty six Tops Pristine Premier League Soccer. On the

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seventeenth we have twenty twenty six Leaf Metal Ring Kings.

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On the twenty second we have twenty twenty six Pennie

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down Ross WNBA Basketball, twenty twenty five, twenty six Select

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Road Panini World Road to FIFA World Cup twenty twenty

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six soccer. On the twenty second also we have Topscombe

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Baseball twenty twenty six including tops Chrome Baseball Jumbo and

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twenty twenty six Chrome Disney Sapphire. Also on the twenty

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second we have Upper Deck All Elite Wrestling and Upper

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Deck Artifacts Golf, both for the twenty twenty six release versions,

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and then we also have on the twenty third twenty

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twenty five twenty six tops Inception Basketball. On the twenty fourth,

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we have twenty twenty five Pennine Court Kings basketball in

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twenty twenty five to twenty six Pennini City in soccer.

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Thank you guys for tuning in and enjoy the rest

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of the show.

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Let's go round the hobby verse and catch up on

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this week's hobby news.

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And find out all right, pretty decent news week if

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you ask me, especially comparably speaking to some quiet news

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as we ramp up towards the national Let's start out

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what I considered the big story for the week, or

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one of them anyway, Opinions may vary. Michael jo Jordan

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and Upper Deck are continuing their longtime relationship, making Michael

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a legacy partner, which was almost like a lifetime contract.

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We don't have all the details, but I don't think

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Michael will be leaving Upper Deck anytime soon. So what

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does this mean? Well, the twenty twenty six Goodwin's Champions

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just got a little more interesting. Upper Deck bought twenty

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three nineteen eighty six eighty seven Fleer Basketball sealed packs,

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famous for having the Michael Jordan Fleer Rookie. They had

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them in case. Well before they did that, Michael Jordan

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signed all twenty three packs. On the front of the packs,

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he signed one of them denoting it as a one

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or one, and then they were in case redemptions will

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be in all forms of the twenty twenty six Goodwin

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champions including on the retail level, which I think think,

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uh is really cool. Again, one of those packs will

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be signal uh, you know, signaled or certified as a

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one of one if you will UH. And there's some

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other autos and some other things going on. They bought

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a sealed box UH and they're gonna auction that off

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at eBay and some of the money is going to

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uh be go to the boys and Girls clubs. That

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sealed box that they're gonna auction off, I believe on

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eBay UH is also signed by Michael Jordan and he wrote,

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you know, basically this is my rookie card box, which

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I think is pretty cool, and that's gonna that's gonna

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fetch a hefty price tag, so really cool the relationship

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between Upper Deck and mj. He's also gonna sign some

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memorabilia that can just be bought uh direct uh from

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Upper Deck as well, and some of that going to

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charity as well, to boot Let's go to another card

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manufacturer not named Upper Deck, but Fanatics Slash Tops. They're

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doing something for the first time with the twenty twenty

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five Slash twenty six Tops Chrome Update Basketball megaboxes. They're

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removing the shrink wrap. For those that bought it, they

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were moving the shrink wrap, and before sending you the product,

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they are not touching or opening the box itself, so

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the original packs will remain intact. And this is a

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move to prevent price gouging on the secondary level, and

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I support that, right, no one likes price gouging on

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the next level, if you will, but this rings a

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little hollow to me. And here's why I say that.

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I may import my opinion here. You know, there's this

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isn't nothing new as far as price gouging on the

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secondary market, and some of fanatics previous policies sort of

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supported it or they turned a blind eye to it.

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So now all of a sudden they want to be

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the good guy air quotes and prevent this from happening.

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And I just I guess, I'm like, why now and

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why not before? Right? I guess better late than never.

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We'll see if it works, and we'll see this is

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a test run of an idea, and it'll be interesting

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to see if they continue that threat that trend. I

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don't know how it's gonna work, because if you're a breaker,

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you can still buy these boxes without the seal. Everyone

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knows that they're not coming sealed, so it's not a secret.

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No one really will say, well, they tampered with it,

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that's how they came. So I think breakers are still

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going to buy them and potentially drive up the prices

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will be more difficult, Yeah, I do, but I just

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you know, it's just the timing's weird, and it's like

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where were you before? Right, I'll just leave it at that.

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Another huge news store. We all know the iconic T

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two o six Honus Wagner card well a die cut.

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It's known as the die Cut. It's a restored T

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two o six Wagner is headed for Legends of the

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Game auctions. This card can be seen at the Fanatics

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vest that's coming up. It's greated CGC authentic, restored and

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the owner or will be former owner is former ESPN

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announcer uh in current you know TV host Keith Oberman.

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Uh you know, very well known collector and you know

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this is his card. He has two other non restored

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houses and does decided to move this a little backstory

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on this card. The auction will run to August eighth,

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uh so get just about when the national is over

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and a few days after we'll end. This card was

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bought not by Oberman, but was bought at a New

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Jersey card shop during the seventies for a dollar. It's

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basically just Honus's bust. All the background card was cut out,

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but it was restored. They took another background and made

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it look like the original, so it's really two cards.

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And at one point, you know, Keith Oberman bought it

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not really knowing the backstory with it. It was sold

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in the nineties for ten thousand dollars and then sort

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of disappeared and no one had seen or heard from

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it again until Kurt Keith Obermin. Keith Oberman announced that

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he will be selling the card and talked a little

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bit about how he got it restored, but he didn't

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think they it was original, or he didn't know all

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the providence of it. So you can own the Keith

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Oberman die cut restored CG SE T two O six

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Honus Wagner go to Legends of the game auctions. This

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auction will end on August eighth and can be seen

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at Fanatics Fest. Cause Kaws, the Brooklyn artist known as

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Brian Donnelly, and Tops are collaborating on some Dodgers and

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Yankees rivalry MLB cards and apparel. This isn't just cards

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with apparel, but we're gonna talk about the cards it

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will debut. These items will debut at Fanatics Fest. There's

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gonna be parallels and autos and one on ones like

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you would normally see in most products. Just would cause

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Brian Donnelly, artists from Brooklyn, put in his own personal

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touch to it, if you will, and this story struck me.

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We'll finish up with this one, and this story struck

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me as different, if you will. We remember that Peter

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Steinberg stepped down as CEO of SGC sometime back. I

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know Peter, great guy, really like him. Well, there's a

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new CEO installed by Collectors Holdings and his name is

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Steinberg too. This is Jesse Steinberg. This is Peter's brother

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who was a long was a longtime SGC employee along

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with Peter, then after the acquisition went to PSA and

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worked with them. Well, he's going back to the SGC

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side of the house as the next CEO, succeeding his

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brother Peter, which I mean, the whole thing strikes me

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kind of. I don't know. I know Peter, I don't

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know Jesse, but it's it's interesting to say the least.

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And you know, so we'll see how this all shakes out.

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One of Jesse was quoted as saying saying, one of

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his goals and we're taking the reins now at SGC,

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is to get the turnaround times quicker again. And believe

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me knowing no, that's music to my ears as an

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SGC folk suburb. So we'll see if any progress is made,

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you know, along along those lines. But the headline reads,

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you know, Jesse Steinberg succeeds brother Peter as new SGC CEO.

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And no, all right, let's talk about the current state

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of card shows. And I love card shows. I'm a dealer,

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I'm a consumer. Like I said in the intro, them

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on both sides of the table when it comes to

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card shows. And you've always heard me say, right, nothing

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beats an in person transaction, right, Buying cards online is fine.

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I do it, not a hypocrite about it, But nothing

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beats an in person transaction where you can see the card,

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hold the card, look at the card up close before

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purchasing it or trading for it. You can also you know,

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haggle and barter to maybe get it at a lower

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price if need be. And you know, a card show,

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are you going to see stuff? Maybe you don't always

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see online too as well. I mean some people aren't

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going to put certain things online, but they may put

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it in their showcases. I can attest to that myself,

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especially maybe if it's a more expensive card, I'd rather

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sell in an in person deal. Again, just speaking for myself,

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So I'm a huge fan. But the question that you know,

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we're going to tackle some questions right that come up

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when it pertains to card shows, And one question is

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are we getting too many? Are there too many? And

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I guess the the easy, low hanging fruit answer is

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that you know, the market will determine that if no

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one attends a show or no one maybe the attendance

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isn't terrible, but spending is down and the dealers are

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hey to show. You know, traffic was okay, but people

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you know didn't pull their wallets or open their purses.

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That will determine whether a show survives or not. But

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one thing we all noticed, right is, you know, obviously

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we have our super Bowl of shows, the National. Now

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we have Fanatics Fest, which is a pseudo card show

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but more of almost like a comic con most will

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tell you, but it's starting to add some more card

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show elements. And how can it not? It says Fanatics

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right on it. Right, they own that, and they also

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owned three fourths of the major licensing, so why would

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they not use that to their advantage? So that's you know,

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then we have a lot of the big regional shows, right,

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you got uh you know, the you know White Plane show,

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Uh with the you got the Northeast, the Massachusetts which

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was a thousand tables burd Bank front row. We just

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had Dan Bliss on Sportscard Nation. He's in six or

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seven cities across the nation and growing and uh, you

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know to the point like his his brand someone you

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know where someone tried to buy it, right, but he

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didn't sell it. And Dan knows how to put on

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a show. Anyone that talked about front row card shows,

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uh will attest to that. And uh so we're seeing

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them in big cities. We're even seeing them in smaller towns.

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As far as if there's too many, I guess that

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will be up to us, right the consumers, to determine.

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You know. When I think of too many, I just think,

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you know, if you can, if you live in a

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city and you can go to a card show every weekend.

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In my again I'm only speaking for myself here, folks,

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that's a little bit too much. If you ask me,

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as much as I like a card show, you know,

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every weekend to be in driving distance. When I say

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driving distance, you know, I know people really do drive

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five or six hours. For me, driving distance through card

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shows like an hour or less. When i'm I'm talking

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on a local level, not the national or big regional,

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but your your average run of the mill shows. And

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I hate to say them like that, but you're your

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you know, your lower level, smaller shows in comparison to

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the big boys or the you know, the big shows.

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So an hour or less if you could go every weekend,

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I think, in my opinions, that's a little overkilled. I

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don't think we need a show every weekend in the

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same general region. The bloom comes off the roads that way,

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I've noticed when that's had happened. It doesn't happen all

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the time here, but when it's happened here, I think

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people spend a little less money. I think some people

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are trying to go to all four shows, let's say

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all four weekends, and budgeting accordingly, right. I think others

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might say, listen, I'm not going all four. I'm picking

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these two or this one. And so then you may

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not see them at a show that you're set up at.

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You know, maybe a regular or not a regular, but

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someone that would have been at the show you were at,

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but they chose another one. So I think the worst

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is when there shows near each other on the same day.

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Don't laugh, it happens. I know it happened in Pittsburgh,

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I think earlier. I think last year there was a

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show across the street from each other, dueling shows. Some

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may say, well, it's good for both shows. Someone's going

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to probably go to both most likely maybe, But now

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you just it's like putting a burger king in McDonald's

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across from each other. Well, they still do all right, sure,

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but you know someone, you get someone's gonna make a

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choice and not go to the other one. And I

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think that happened with card shows, so I guess the

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market will bear that out, you know, but let's uh,

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we'll see. So far, I don't think we really hit

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that point, but shows are not slowing down, so could

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we get there eventually? Maybe?

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You know, flippers, I know people say, man, I hate

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to go to the show the flippers are rude, you

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know the connotation flippers. I'm to each their own guy,

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and anybody can be rude right at any given time potentially,

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So I don't like to paint with that broadbrush. Is

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I like to use that expression. But one thing that

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does bother me, especially when I'm setting up as at

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a show as a dealer, is you know, every once

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in a while, there might be an empty table. Maybe

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someone had an emergency, couldn't make it, they couldn't sell

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the table at the last minute, and someone will set up,

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you know, someone will PLoP their their case down and

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kind of set up sort of illegally. If you will

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make it like a like a trade night in the show.

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There maybe not be they might not be behind the table,

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but they'll just throw some of their cards in their

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case on the table. I'm not a fan of that, right,

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Like if you're not if you didn't pay for a table,

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you know, and I know a lot of the promoters

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are right on top of that and will politely ask

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the person not to do that. But then what happens

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is they go into the hallway and a little mini

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trade night breaks out up there. If it's at the

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National and you have a lot of space, it's it's

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it's works better. But when you're at a smaller hotel venue,

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that can clog up some of the traffic coming in.

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So you know, I'm not trying to be the old

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man on the porch, but that that bothers me a

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little bit too. Is it a deal break for me?

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Not at all, But you know I'm not a fan

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of that. If you want to wheel and deal to me,

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you know, get a table, get a tax number. That's

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the other thing we can make it, you know, governmental

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and say, man, how many of these people are setting

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up at shows without a tax number? And I don't

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do this show anymore. But I was doing a show

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up north from here. I'm in Syracuse. I was doing

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a show in the northern City. It was a monthly show.

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I don't do it anymore. This isn't the reason I

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don't do it anymore. But you know that promoter, for

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whatever reason, and you know that's on him, doesn't even

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check sales tax numbers. So if you want a table

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and you got forty to fifty bucks, you can get

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a table. It's technically not legal, but as the saying goes,

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I guess it's not cheating until you get caught. So

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no tax number needed there. I again, for someone who

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pays sales tax it. You know, I'd be disingenuous if

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I said that didn't bother me. When it comes to

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card shows, I'm a pricer, so my cards are priced. Again,

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it's a starting point, right, so you know, and maybe

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I'm a little slow sometimes on recopying cards and repricing them.

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So I always tell people, especially people I know well enough, like, hey,

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if you see something, even if the price doesn't jive

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which you like, ask we can you know, Again, the

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price is a starting point, doesn't mean it's the firm

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price all the time, right. I actually price my cards

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that usually leave some wiggle room to begin with, So

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I always tell people or put a little sign out

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you know, if you're interested, let me know and we

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can go from there. So I'm a pricer, I don't.

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I'm not a fan of not pricing cards. If I'm

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at a show as a consumer and I'm walking around

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and there's a you know, a dealer, none of us

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stuffs price. I'm not saying I'll never buy or never ask,

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but I tend to look at all the priced cards first,

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and then if something's in a if an unpriced card,

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I didn't see it anywhere else and I need it

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or want it, then I might ask, like, hey, how

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much is you know this bow jack that is making

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up a player name, and then go from there. So

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I think you do better as a dealer if your

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stuff's priced, especially if it's reasonably priced or you have

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enough clientele. I feel this if it's my category where

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people know, like, hey, you know to barter or you

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know that I will move off a price. You know

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another thing that people complain about with card shows that

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I've heard or seen as someone again that wears both

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of those card show hats, Well, there's the promoter hat too.

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That's the third half. But I did that in the nineties,

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not recently. But you know, content on the show floor, right,

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we see people with like a film crew, two or

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three people you know, a phone on a selfie stick.

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They're walking around the show filming themselves, adding commentary, talking

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about deals or what they're seeing, you know, and think

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about it, right when you see like a news report

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outside on a street corner, Right, But that's inside, and

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there's a bunch of it, and sometimes it can get

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a little monotonous, and it doesn't really bother me. I've

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heard other people complain about it, but I think it's

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if it's too much, where it affects the the presentation

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of the show or the flow of the show, you know,

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getting from one part of the show to the other.

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I think that's where it becomes an issue for me.

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So I think most promoters sort of keep an eye

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on that, make sure it doesn't become an issue, and

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if it does, they're usually right on top of the

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top of that. I don't do this per se, but

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I know a lot of dealers actually film their tables

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throughout the day for content right too, in the deals

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they're making, the cards they're selling, trades they're making. I

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don't do that. I don't really have time, you know,

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I'm doing the SGC bulk submission table, so I'm just

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kind of sort of running around constantly. I don't think

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it would be good content for that for that netche

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if if you're will The other thing is some people,

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you know, I'm assuming whenever we see those videos permission

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was granted by the customer that is in the video,

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because you really can't. I feel like you can't use

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that without permission. If I'm making a deal with somebody

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as a customer and they're filming, I would hope they

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gave me the courtesy of asking, hey, do you mind

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if I post this on a YouTube channel or online.

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I'm probably gonna say fine nine times out of ten.

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But I think it's on the customer's option to give

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a thumbs up or come thumbs down to that. So

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that's that's my kind of stance on content during the show.

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I don't do it. I don't have a major problem

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with it as long as it doesn't become an issue

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to the enjoyment of the show. You know, too big?

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Can shows be too big? Too many tables? You know?

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I guess so, But I get again, I go to

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the first point, right, too many shows, our show's too big.

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The consumer in the end of the day is going

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to be the determining factor there, and you know, not

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if people stop coming through the doors, you know, that

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promoter has to pay that venue to rent it out,

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might have to rent tables and chairs. So they're gonna

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look at their you know, their overhead, their costs, their

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ROI and determinedly am I keep am I going to

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keep doing this venue and keep doing this show. If

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it's like a monthly show or a bi monthly show again,

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they'll have to where those numbers will bear that out,

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you know, trading inside the show. I kind of touched

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on this already. I'm not you know, it doesn't really

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bother me if it's kind of kept low key. I

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just don't like you know, you know, actually this just

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happened recently, maybe two months ago. Two gentlemen were talking,

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you know, right in front of my table, which is fine.

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They were talking about one said what he was looking for.

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The other guy said what he had or he had that,

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and the other guy said, well, can I see it?

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Are you selling it? Are you trying to move it?

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And the other guy said yeah, and they promptly, like

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on my showcases put down, so they're working a deal

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amongst themselves, and he put his showcase down or his

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card case down on my showcase, and you know, I

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said something to sir, you know, can you I know

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you're doing your own deal here, but you know, I

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appreciate if you wouldn't, you know, do it right at

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my table and put your Zion case which I love

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Zion cases, but not on my showcase where other people

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are trying to see my cards. The deal wasn't involving me, obviously.

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If it was involving me, that that conversation wouldn't have happened.

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But you know, now they were using my table to

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try to consummate their deal, and I just asked them, like,

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can you find another place to do that please? I

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wasn't then yell. I just you know, politely asked them,

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and they did. But that stuff bout like that's to

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me even if I was to do that, if I

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wasn't behind the table as a dealer, I'm not going

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to put my stuff on another deal showcase because I'm

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standing in front of it. But you know, listen, there's

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an adicant hobby. We all know. Some people have it,

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some people don't. You know, it's easy to fly off

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the hand and yell at somebody. You know, I just

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politely asked, and they they they did, they did what

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I a y they you know, had that person said, hey,

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what's the big deal, It's only going to be ten

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minutes or you know, then you know, the conversation might

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be a different way.

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Now.

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I wish they had never he had never done that

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in the first place. But you know, when I asked them,

466
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hey can you can you not do that right here?

467
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They abblig. So I'm not going to complain too much.

468
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You know, trade night you know, at your one day shows,

469
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you know you don't have necessary to trade nights. I'm

470
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not a trade night guy. I usually don't really attend them.

471
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:39.039
I sort of a during card show hours kind of guy.

472
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You know, to me, when the card show's over, it's

473
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time for other events, like I'm done with card might

474
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be a dinner with an acquaintance or a card friend.

475
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.519
I'm I'm you know, we may talk cards, but I

476
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.359
don't really you know, it's like playing a three hour

477
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baseball game and you just want to like get away

478
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.519
from that and you know, just unwined. So I'm not

479
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a trade night guy. I get them. They're a huge

480
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part of the hobby. I'm not trying to outlaw. It's

481
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just not my forte. And I know I've talked about

482
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it before, so you know, card shows are a life

483
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butted hobby. If you ask me, you know, there's good things,

484
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there's bad things, fine, you know, but I can't stress

485
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.559
more if you can attend the card show. There's nothing again,

486
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.880
nothing beats in track, in person transactions, and even beyond

487
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:37.039
the transaction, folks, it's not even just about the transaction, right,

488
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it's the conversations we have with people who share the

489
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:45.000
same passion as we do. I've said this also before too.

490
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Is you know, making money as a dealer is great,

491
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and obviously that's what we're striving to do when we

492
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.680
set up, right, But it's more than just the dollar signs. Right,

493
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.279
it's maybe buying some stuff, right, buy some inventory, maybe

494
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.880
it's trading, but also the conversations. It doesn't even have

495
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to be a transaction. But you know, I have people

496
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I know, I see it shows. Maybe they bought from

497
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.039
me before, maybe they happened it doesn't even matter, doesn't

498
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.119
even matter. But maybe I just have a great conversation

499
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.279
with them or their family, right, or son or daughter

500
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that's with them, or whatever the case may be. Like that.

501
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.160
So just those conversations that you have at a card show,

502
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.000
you know, I've even said some of my fondest memories

503
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:35.319
and best card shows aren't driven financially. Just I met

504
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:39.000
somebody you know for the first time, or I got

505
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.559
to know somebody, or it's someone I know, Well, we

506
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.039
just had a great conversation, maybe they shared some good

507
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.319
news or whatnot. So it does. It's not just transaction,

508
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.640
and that's a transaction too, right. Conversation is an exchange

509
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:59.839
as well. So all those transactions financial non financial, make

510
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:05.440
shows as great as they are. So I'm a supporter

511
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:10.119
of them. I'm an active participant again on both sides,

512
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and never want to see a day where car shows

513
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are not available to somebody. And at this point there

514
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.759
are so many that there should be one that almost

515
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.480
no matter where you live, there should be one that

516
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.480
should be accessible to you. And we're even seeing them

517
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.680
now in a lot of countries overseas, which is great

518
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.000
to see as well. As the hobby grows not to

519
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.960
be an American hobby, but to be a national and

520
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.119
worldwide hobby, which it obviously is.