July 3, 2026

Matthew & Garrett Weaver "Building a game with Baseball Cards" E395

Matthew & Garrett Weaver "Building a game with Baseball Cards" E395
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Matthew and Garrett Weaver invented a baseball card game that can be played with your own cards, build your own teams,etc. It's not just the run of the mill roll the dice type game. Yes there's dice but built on formulas that should bring similar results to real life matchups. Want Griffey jr to play along side Lou Gehrig. Now you can! We talk about it.


Talking Points may include:

*Hobby starts and what you enjoy

*Base cards matter!

*Inventing a game with Baseball cards

*Getting through 20 versions to perfect it.


*Game play- How long per game. How it works.


*Long term goals


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Sports Guard Nations, Hobbies the People, Wheely News and Interviews.

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It's you on number one soul Sportscarnations hobby is the people, sports.

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Gar Nation, What is up?

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Everybody? Welcome the episode three ninety five of Sports Cardination.

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Done a little traveling recently went to Philadelphia to see

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my nephew who is a fighter fighter there, fire men there,

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easy for you to say, not for me. Went to

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a Phillies Mets game that was a fifteen to three

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blowout on the Phillies end, so Phillies fans were happy.

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Mets fans like me not so much. But saw Bryce

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Harper's first career cycle, saw Kyle Schwarber hit three home

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runs too were moonshots over my head and the third

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one was about five rolls in front of me in

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right and field. Had a great time with my nephew.

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We went to a FIFA World Cup FanFest which was

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like two blocks from his house, which was really cool.

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And I've gotten I've always I always watched the World

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Cup when it when it's on, but I think a

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little bit more with this year's edition. I don't know

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if it's because it's stateside and on North America, with

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the United States, Canada and Mexico hosting, but I've been

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watching more games. Obviously, the US has been successful so far,

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so that always helps as well. So h But I

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want to thank our sponsors as always, Iron Sports Cards,

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Sports Collectors, Digest, Hobby, Hotline, Upper Deck, Card Ladder, and CTCA.

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And for those that don't know who CTCA is, it's

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a Certified Trading Card Association. I'm a proud board member

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and what we're trying to do as an organization is

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make the hobby a safer place. So if you Google

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or you go to CTCA dot com, but your Google

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Certified Trade Card Association, you can become a member and

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see all the great things that we have in store

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for you to make the hobby a safer place. With

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that being said, i'd like to talk about our guest

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this week, make that two guests this week, father and son,

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Matthew and Garrett Weaver, and they've invented a baseball card

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game called the Baseball Card GM and it's like straight

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o matic, but I think it's better now. I know

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it's better because you use real baseball cards of your

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choice and it uses scenarios and player stats and on

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the pitching side and the hitting side, and so you

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can recreate series. You can play with older guys, so

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you can have a game with Ken Griffey Junior is

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batting after Luke Gerrick. The options are endless. And these

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this father and young young man came up with this game,

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and you know, through twenty versions till they got it right.

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And so we're gonna learn about this game.

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I do own it now.

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I'm going to put it to the test and my

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plan is to bring it to my school. I'm a

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teaching assistant as some of you know, and try to

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get the kids to play it. And it's great because

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it has statistics, deals with numbers, mathematics, scenarios. I think

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I think it'll be well received and IM gonna play

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it even here at home with my son. So check

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that game out. I'll put all the the pertinent info

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in the show note, so we'll have them on this

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episode and next episode. So with that being said, let's

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talk to Matt and Garrett. All right, real happy to

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be joined by the next two gentlemen on the Sports

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Cardination guest line. Father and son from the Philadelphia area,

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and they've created a baseball card board game. You know

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using baseball card. It's it's called the Baseball Card g

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General Manager Board Game. And I'm pleasing to welcome Matthew

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and Garrett Weaver.

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Hey, how are you good?

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All right, I'm gonna ask this to you Matthew Fir

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you know obviously being older like for you know with

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baseball cards are just sports cards or any you know,

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trading cards in general. You know, what, what's your first

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memory did you collect as a kid? What was it?

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I know you're in the Philly area.

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Was it was it Phillies cards or Philly teen just

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kind of your background where the hobby started.

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I mean, I'm I'm a kid of the junk wax era,

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you know, like a lot of people those those eighties,

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early eighties, mid eighties cards that were just everywhere, like

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it felt like at that time you any story went

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into there were rats just all the time. And my

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collecting started because I was really desert of a baseball fan,

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right I mean, and for me and in that time,

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the the stats on the back were the thing that

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I really sort of love, you know, and there's so

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much there, there's so much information on those cards. And

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when I was thank you, thank you, when I was collecting.

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That was sort of that was the thing that I

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really got, you know, and when and port over that

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and that's sort of almost when I got out of

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sort of the card collecting part of it, I was

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always still really into the stats and still continue to

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be and all the other things that people are doing

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when they're getting into the stats and baseball because it's

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such a it's such a statistical heavy fandom, you know

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that that is really where that game is what I love.

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Yeah, I think about it when we think of all

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the like, let's see even just narrow it down to

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the four major sports guys, right, Baseball of them, all

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I think is I mean, people who aren't even necessarily

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baseball fans can name certain things, you know, like the

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you know, Hank Aaron's home run totals or even Barry Bonds,

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or the fifty six game hitting streak of Damaggio or

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Ripkins iron Man number right, Omousie really died in the wool.

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Baseball fans can can rattle off a lot of that.

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But even even sort of casual fans know some of

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that stuff as well. So it always is a sort

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of a of all the sports, it's probably number one

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when it comes to stats in a game, a sport

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that really sort of honors those stats and has those

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that record book, right, I know every sport has it.

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But you know, if you tell someone who's the all

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time baseball hit leader, most even even a casual baseball

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fans gonna say Pete Rose. Right, If you ask someone

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the NFL rushing record holder, you might get three different

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running backs, right.

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Garrett, I see you got you go ahead.

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Japanese you no listen?

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I think when if you add to his Japanese league stats,

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I think you might be right.

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So you're technically not wrong.

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So uh and and he just got into uh the

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Hall of Fame, so uh, congrats to him.

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An incredible player.

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Just think, you know, when you take him, guys, think

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of like what he did, you know when he played

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a good portion of his career in Japan before he

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came uh state side. So this just tells you his

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durability and his his athleticism. Right for you, Garrett, let

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me ask you, you know, did you do you collect cards?

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As the game and we'll get into the game and

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more specifics. You know, do you collect cards, whether it

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be Pokemon or sports or not necessarily?

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Well, I usually I do collect basebook cards, but like

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a lot of my friends do, like Pokemon. So I've

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sort of seen some maybe not collect them myself, but

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like I see them and I understand them. They collect them.

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Yeah, you know what you tell you.

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And I'm only when I say this, just ask him

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how many home runs the Chargers?

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What Pokemon?

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It's not real life. It's not real life. Yeah, I get, and.

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I'm I'm not knocking, but like, uh, like you know,

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I do shows as a dealer still, and that's a

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huge part of the hobby, whether you collected or not yourself. Uh,

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it's really made a lot of shrides and it's it's

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right there with with sports cards, uh.

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You know, by the numbers and grading and all that stuff.

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So before we get into this game, I got to

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ask you, have you done any previous games or was

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this year first foray into designing the.

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Game number one one?

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Yeah, So what let's let's kind of start from like

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the ground level, like what when did the light bulb?

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What was it? And when did the light bulb go off?

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There?

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Like, hey, let's do let's do a game based with

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these cards. Him to have the cards be a part

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of the game.

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Well, I mean I was always even before I created

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the game, I was always making like just like lineups

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basically with my cards, just figuring out like every making

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sure you have every position and like where the bat where?

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And then yeah, so and then the idea came when

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this trashy old game.

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Yeah so I know, if you know a lot of

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people have something like this where it's you sort of

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roll dice and then you put little gasterwards around and it. Yeah,

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but all the you know, so you could sort of

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the concepts sort of the same, right, but it's terrible.

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But it's terrible because everyone has.

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The everyone's equal everyone, it's just what you roll.

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It has no there's no strategy.

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And part of what he said he was he was

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so he was always creating these lineups and these mythical

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and he couldn't get tested. You can't get well was

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I was it a good one? Was it a bad one?

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How do I play against someone else else?

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You know?

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And when we sort of had this game on the side,

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which he sort of was angered by because everything was

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the same, Well, why aren't we making the dice rolls

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relative to how good that person is at that stat

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It's just sort of mostly obvious idea in the world, right,

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It's sort of like, yeah, the people hit more home

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runs should be more likely to hit home runs.

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People.

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Basically in this game, you're saying that Tyrone Taylor and

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Pete a Lonzo or completely.

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Right, yeah, which we as we both know and as

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a MET fan, even though one of them is no

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longer a Met, we both know that's not that's not exactly.

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Yeah, so it it as I was sort of going on,

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and this was twenty twenty four, I guess, and Use

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seven at the time, said well, how do I just

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how can I just play with my cards?

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Like? What is nothing?

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And I started looking like any other person we do.

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I just start googling and I spent a long time

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a lot of different sites saying is there anything anything

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that exists? Or you just play with your actual baseball

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cards and you stat in the back This thing was like.

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This game where it just gave you the cards to

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play with, right, And that's like, yeah, exactly, you just

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had like cards that were given in the.

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Stratamatic right, stratamatic dratamatic.

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There was another game too, guys. I got it. I

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know I had it. Oh, I think it was called

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Talking Baseball or Starting line I think it was Starting

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line Up Baseball. And the cards were a little squared.

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They weren't like the full two and a half by

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thirty a half. They were like a little kind of

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the old gouty size. But again, they were the cards

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that came with the game, and you needed to have

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those to play, and you were limited, like you guys

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are saying, you were limited to only what cards were

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produced by the game manufacturer only, right, this the way

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you guys you know, have designed this. You're sort of

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opening it, which I love. Right, It really opens the

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platform up to anybody's cards, is it, you know, getting

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ahead of ourselves? Is there rules like you can't stack

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your life? Like can you like you, if you're, if you're,

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if I'm playing versus you, Garrett, Could I just bring

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all my best cards? Or is that sort of what

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it's designed to do? Where you bring your best and

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I bring my best and then we let the chips

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fall where they may.

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So I mean, yeah, but just best.

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Cards, like you know, like let's use the example, like

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I'm obviously not gonna bring nine Tyrone Taylor cards, right,

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but I could bring like nine, Uh, you know Juan

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Soto cards and again you I'm sure the rule means

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you have to have you know, you can't have nine

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of the same time. But what if I brought like

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the nine best players you know in in baseball, or

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arguably the nine best players?

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Is there?

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You have rules right where they have to play a

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certain position.

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You can't have ten, right, yeah, go ahead.

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They have to play the position that is their.

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Position on the card.

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So you couldn't play one Soto at second base.

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He doesn't.

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He doesn't never, right, so you had so the I mean,

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so there's a lot of ways that in some ways

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it's really there's because you're you, you can literally use

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and you should say and we're going to have the

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game sort of works. But basically any card from the

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nineteen eighties to today, you write because they all have

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to because we use universal stats that are on all

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baseball cards since the since the tops Fleer lawsuit in

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nineteen eighty one, right, all the same, all the stats

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that are on there, all the basic hitting stats. And

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you you can pick, uh, you pick the best year

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of stats you went on your card, so you could

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pick so you could have an older you know, you

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pick a specific year or not, so you can create

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just superstar lineup. You can mix it, which is fun.

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I think it's fun. Is a fantasy is you can

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take your sho Hao Tani and you could play them

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with Don Mattingly. You could play him with Jimmy Fox

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if you have a recreation the Conlin set. I have

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you heard of the Conlin the forty news set. So

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you could have a Hank Greenberg and a Babe Ruth

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play with your Elie day La Cruz. You could do

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and all the stats are gonna work because they're all

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the same stats, you know. And in the home fifty

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home runs then with fifty home runs now. But and

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that is fun to do. But really, what we're finding

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the ways that we don't dictate how you play, but

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what a lot of people are playing. The two ways

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we found that people are brilliant is cracking packs and

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just playing with what you get.

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Yeah.

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I like that, and it's so much it's ransom and

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no one can say, hey, you stacked the deck, stack

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the deck.

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Yeah, you just get you get two fat packs, those

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fat packs with the forty forty.

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Cars, every position cover you're gonna have.

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Yeah, you're gonna and you get Look you they get

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cal rally and you may not. You may get someone else,

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but it was just ram plumping the draw and you

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crack it open. We get a lot of people. And

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what we do when we send the games to reviewers,

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especially bour game reviewers, people who were collectors but maybe

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aren't necessarily today. We send them old junk wax era

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packs from the eighties and nineties.

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You can get cheap.

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You can go get a whole lot of them, and

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you crack them open and you just throw out the

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gum and you go, look, I got these these I

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remember these cards as a kid, and I'm open these.

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Pleasant first time. It's great.

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And it's great because it's great because it utilizes these

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cards again where people are throwing them out or burning

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them and that sort of thing.

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So I love that.

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Right, So let me ask you this, because I haven't

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obviously played the game. If I have a card, let's

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let's use Albert Poolholes, right, And it's a late in

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his career card, so it maybe has ten or twelve

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seats listed on the back of that. Are you are

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you using a specific season or just the sort of

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the the average, like how what determines what player like

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with the dice and all that.

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You hit a little bit.

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Are you talking about the year?

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I mean, yeah, you have to pick an individual year.

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And for Alverapolos, I have him on a lot of

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my teams because he's good.

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He's very good.

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I usually twelve twenty twelve. It has home runs, he's

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the home runs. He edges out for the home runs,

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the doubles in like hits.

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All right, so yeah, that's a good year, so we

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should play well. I guess we'll walk through sort of

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how the game works, and it's fundamental.

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Yeah, there's seven there's seven stack categories, right that you're

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gonna look that that that's on the play Matt, we'll

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look it's you got home.

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Runs, triples, doubles, nine average hits, walks and RBIs. I

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think that's also an average, right, And every time you

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roll two dice, so you get so you can have

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your card. Whatever is Andre Dawson. Right, you look it

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over and you say, all right, I'm playing Andre Dawson.

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I'm gonna use the year he was the MVP or

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was yet forty eight home runs that year forty nine

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and you say eighty seven cups, roll the dice and

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it's gonna fall in one of those seven columns of

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categories RBIs doubles. Wherever that dice roll lamps and say

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it's home runs, you're gonna look on it's gonna tell you.

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If he has over so many home runs, he gets

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a home run, and if it's under that, it's gonna

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be a fly ball, so people are fly or whatever.

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So or if it's over so many walks, he's gonna

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get a walk. If it's under that, it's a pop up.

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Or if he has so many hits, it's a strikeout,

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and if he or a ground out, and if not,

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it's so. What it's done is it's taking that whole

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number stat and saying like, if it's really high, you're

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hitting that, and if it's really low, you're not. And

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it keeps progressing. So what's cool about it is if

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you think about a number of dice rolls, say of

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plate appearance, each dice rolls a plate appearance. You know,

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so you're gonna do all nine innings and run through it.

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So a guy who has six hundred and fifty, say

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plate appearance is an ear right, Like, that's usually a

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pretty normal number for a card. If you roll the

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dice six hundred and fifty times, you will get that

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that outcome will happen as much as it actually happened

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on the card. And that's sort of what cracked the

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secret sauce here, which is sort of what Strautumatic sort

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of does, but they hide it behind their cards and

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their roles.

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But we just sort of transmitted it.

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So if you have over twenty home runs, but under

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say fifty, you are going to roll about twenty five

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home runs over six hundred and fifty rolls over a

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season of plate appearance, if you hit over fifty one runs,

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you have two chances to hit that home run, so

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you actually will roll fifty or sixty home run, say,

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with walks and doubles and triples. So it actually it's

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not just using the numbers of the cars. It's actually

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replicating the numbers on the cars with the same probability.

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So you get very very real outcomes. You will get

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games that are you know, five to six, eight to two,

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whatever you know. And because we've said it to those

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whole numbers on the card, So when you pick a

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year two.

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Hundred and sixty one time, I mean six hundred and

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sixty one.

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Times, Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do it,

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and you can. When you do it. That means that

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it matters what year you're picking too, right, because some

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years guys are great and doubles, but they didn't hit

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a home run. Some years their home runs not doubles.

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Some years it's average, but they didn't get the triples

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or they had not as many walks. So you're looking

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through and you're building your lineup, going all right, well,

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this year, this year, I'm going to use him. I'm

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going to use him this year because he's my doubles guy.

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I'm going to buy him second. I'm gonna get him on.

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But my my fifty home run year guy, I'm gonna

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put it four because I know he's gonna ease more

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chances to know runs than someone else. So you're building

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all the stats out that way, and that's when you're

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really thinking about it. You're going in beforehand and thinking about, like,

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oh man, how am I going to build my life

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to take advantage of those stats to maximize what's going on.

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I love it.

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I love it because, like you said, it makes the

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players outcomes more realistic and based on your lineups.

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Right the game outcome realistic.

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Someone's at my door. I've got to get that be

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right back.

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Sports Cognation has returns.

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I'm assuming even before I asked this, well, I'll ask

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it anyway, like, is it the same way too with

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the pictures? In other words, it's Greg Maddox probably going

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to outperform Steve Traxel, both on the same rotation, but

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one is obviously an ACE in the others of three

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or four.

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Yeah, that's exactly right. Right, So you have your ACE

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pictures as long as your picture meets a certain meet

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in certain thresholds for eard runs and wins or saves,

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right or were seventeen sixteen under two.

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Under two point fifteen r and over third.

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Sixty s right? So those pictures, what they do is

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they change that cutoff line that batter has to so

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it makes it harder, right, so all of a sudden, Oh,

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you had to hit forty home runs, but now you

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have to hit forty six some runs because your picture

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of your facing is so much better and it goes

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lefty righty, So a lefty lefty matchup means you have

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to hit even the bar goes higher, but all lefty

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righty doesn't go quite as high because lefty righty is

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a better matchup than lefty lefty. So you're bringing in

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your You're you're not only thinking about your starter, but

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you're all thinking about, Man, what am I? What am

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I bullpennging? How am I going to bring in my

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Steve Beadrosian or John Franco, you know, because I know

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I got a lefty and I know he's got the

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save bonus, so I know I can put him up

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against you know, a lefty, because I got John Franco

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coming in. Like that's all built in the game too,

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along with all the stuff about double plays and sat

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flies and stealing bases and all the other little things

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you want to do in a baseball game. And you're

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moving the cards around the bases as they got, so

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all that stuff is all built in it.

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Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

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It's basically always lefty right or righty lefty.

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You can choot wherever you want.

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Fine, yes, below add on, but it's not as worse

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as it could be.

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Yeah, and obviously you want a righty righty or lefty

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lefty matchup because that that's harder to stay. That's a

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play out that it's it's it's harder to hit. I

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mean pun intended. Guys, it seemed like you really covered

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all the bases. But let's get back to like, so

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you had twenty renditions before you finally like were comfortable

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kind of talk about that process, Like what did you

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run into where you're like, hey, we gotta we gotta

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fix this or or tweak this or and this take

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this out.

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Some of the stuff that we did add in, like

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the later versions were the like pitcher and hitter like

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bonuses we like to call them, and like the double

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plays and stealing and sacrifice flies. Correct, but like not

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everything we've had since the start, and we've changed a

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bunch of cutoffs, and we've changed some of the outcomes

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because like if you have a lot of hits, you're

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to get out, you're least likely to hit like a

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fly ball or strike out. You're more like to ground

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out because like you make contact, if you don't really

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hit for power, she'd most likely hit it on the

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ground like a hit would normally be.

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Yeah, So you know, I think when we we just

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originally had we knew we had seven stats because we

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had we had my cards from the eighties and his

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cards from today and everything between, and we said, all right,

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what what stats are in all those cards, and we

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know what every outcome has to be?

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Right.

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You know, you can either get a single, double, triple,

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home run, strikeout, walk, pop out, fly out, or groundout.

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I mean that's literally all you can do with baseball.

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And then you have to do is just match We started,

476
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we started matching them up. So it's like, obviously, how

477
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.039
many home runs you have, de terms out any home

478
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.359
runs you hit. But some things were sort of like, well,

479
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:46.640
they stopped putting strikeouts on baseball cards back in twenty fourteen,

480
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.440
and they put on war because I think it was

481
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.680
all Mike Trout and Cabrera and the whole thing. So

482
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.000
they started You probably know more about that history than

483
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:56.559
I do. But when we look at that and we said,

484
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.119
oh man, how are we going to build strikeouts in

485
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.559
if we don't have a strike out stats. So you know,

486
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.559
we said, look, we'll sync it up to number of

487
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.039
hits you have and maybe how many triples, because triples

488
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.640
have been going way down so and straight has been

489
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.400
going way up. So we had to sort of we've

490
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.200
had to shoehorn some stuff in there. But it took

491
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.640
a lot of just honestly, there's a lot of Garrett

492
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.960
taking both sides, going upstairs, go upstairs. He'd play against

493
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:24.480
himself and just keep scoring.

494
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:24.680
Yeah.

495
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.440
I was scoring a bunch of games.

496
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:27.960
And we'd come back and go, oh man, there's too

497
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.079
many triples, you.

498
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.279
Know, like there shouldn't be. There was a lot of

499
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:33.680
trowl ere there.

500
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.920
It took. I mean it was probably six months or more.

501
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.720
I probably scored about sixteen.

502
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.440
Sixteen games himself, and we go, oh man, this isn't working.

503
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.200
We got to change this. Oh this isn't quite what

504
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.240
you know, And we would tweak, like you said, we

505
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.079
tweak a cutoff and say all right, well let's get

506
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.519
it to here, not there. Let's try to be fair

507
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.519
to certain eras of players, and that along with that

508
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.839
sort of statistical element of like, look, this is going

509
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.960
to be six hundred and fifty at bats and we

510
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.640
know by the odds of a dice roll that it's

511
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.400
gonna be a one in eighteen chance or one in

512
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.359
thirty six chance. We can work out what those cutuffs are.

513
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.559
But it really was just Garrett plod Away at it

514
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.400
and his younger brother, Simon Fought, who's now six. But

515
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.839
what's five would be our playtester too. He could roll dice,

516
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.319
he can look at a card. He didn't know all

517
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.839
the subtleties of it. But it's a game that in

518
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.400
its essence a little kid, a little kid can get

519
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.960
it because they know what the stat is and roll

520
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.559
the dice. But the sophistication is the adult level of like,

521
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.839
you know, draft to thinking about your history and you

522
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:36.759
know what kind of team build everything else.

523
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:43.240
I can't do it because as adults it's seven plus.

524
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:43.720
You're you know more than most, you know more than

525
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.799
most and that so yeah, that trial and error is

526
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:49.920
what build us out long enough to where we had

527
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.599
it basically on a piece of paper. But we never

528
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:53.519
decided we didn't want to invent a game. I mean,

529
00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:57.240
we wanted to the game, but it wasn't like, hey,

530
00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.920
we're gonna go invent something and goes. When we did

531
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.039
did say, we started playing with friends and stuff, and

532
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.559
when his friends would come over, that's when we realized, man,

533
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.880
people really liked them. You know, we put it enough

534
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.240
in and people are going, man, this is really good.

535
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.759
So we went and we hand Garrett's hand drew the

536
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.119
original play mat on a piece of paper so we

537
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.240
could have a place for the cards and the bases,

538
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.599
and we and we'd print out the rules and just

539
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.400
stick it on the path, stick it on the piece

540
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.759
of paper. And we played that for another couple of

541
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.440
months before we said, you know what, this is so

542
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.720
good and people are playing enough, let's go.

543
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.119
On like paper, good paper because before we drew it

544
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.079
out that then we like printed one when we made

545
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.400
it more official, and then we started neo preming neopre.

546
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.599
Yeah, so it it was. It was on paper, and

547
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.039
we had it designed so it looked like a baseball

548
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.279
field and it was on paper, and it just didn't

549
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.559
want to be on paper. Yeah, it was tool. It

550
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:02.519
felt like a board game, and we didn't necessarily want

551
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.920
to make it feel like a board game. And Garrett's

552
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:11.039
Garrett's friends play Pokemon, he does or matches the gathering

553
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.319
and you know, they have these neoprem playmats that are

554
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.440
like those mouths pads substance, and we said, well, why

555
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.200
can't we make it out of that, Why can't we

556
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.599
have it? These are when it's really easy to pick

557
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:24.839
up those cards and it feels more like a trading

558
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.240
card game of TCG, And so we ended up making

559
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.079
it on a on a neopream surface, big sort of

560
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.640
a big neoprem playmat.

561
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.319
My question, what, on average, how long does one game take?

562
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.720
Obviously it varies by maybe the scoring, maybe how fast

563
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:46.000
of pace the individual person, uh you know plays, But

564
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.480
what would you say how long was would you say

565
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.240
the average game would take to play?

566
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:56.079
I mean we've done it, We've like learned the rules,

567
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.880
like I can basically memorize some of the stats. So

568
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:04.119
maybe takes me like thirty five does like twenty minutes?

569
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.279
Yeah, twenty minutes? I think it's like.

570
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:11.880
An average person, it would probably be a bit round. Maybe, well,

571
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.759
like somebody first trying the game, it may take an hour.

572
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:16.640
Once you sort of get the hang of it, it

573
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.240
starts getting shorter and shorter.

574
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.160
Oh yeah, well, the longest.

575
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.799
Part of the part of the game is finding what

576
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:24.519
the outcome.

577
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.839
Yeah, so you're Yeah, so if once you really learn

578
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.200
it and you've learned what stat you know, the shorthand stuff,

579
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.799
you could play in twenty minutes, but probably twenty and

580
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.359
thirty minutes you're playing a full game of nine innings

581
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.400
and depending how crazy you want to get with substitutions

582
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.720
in bullpen. But that what it's fun about is then

583
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.880
you can play a series at a time, you know,

584
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.200
you don't just one. And what we're talking about sort

585
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.519
of cracking packs and playing teams. But you what we've

586
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.680
also done and people have done, is we know people

587
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.400
reached out to us. You go out and we got,

588
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.960
for instance, someone gave us as a gift, the ninety

589
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.680
four top set. Yeah so you so you so you

590
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.279
go out and you we recreated the ninety three playoff

591
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:10.799
teams because we're Phillies fans and I was Phillies guy

592
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.839
ninety three. Yeah great, so we had we had the

593
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.880
ninety three Phillies and ninety three Braves and ninety three

594
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.480
White Sox, ninety three Blue Jays. Let's recreate the series

595
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.240
because the game is so take we can do it

596
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.599
in a weekend. We can play out the actual that

597
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:30.519
actual series with those stats and see and see what happened,

598
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.160
which is so cool. Like you can do that too.

599
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:35.440
You can say, like, we're gonna take the you know,

600
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:39.160
the ninety one Reds or something and the some and

601
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.599
the some A's team, and we're gonna see what the

602
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.559
Bash Brothers can do, you know, like that, and you

603
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.400
do it quick like it's it takes more time to

604
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.519
find the cards and build it than it does to

605
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.039
play the game. So you play a game series and

606
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.000
you go, Okay, that was cool. I I just recreated

607
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.119
the World series with the same starters.

608
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:57.400
It's yeah, you can.

609
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:58.359
It's really fun.

610
00:31:59.319 --> 00:31:59.519
Yeah.

611
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.359
You look back, you find the starting pictures and you say,

612
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.440
all right, well, Garrett, we're gonna make a rule that

613
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.440
the starting pitcher's going to work you know, every they

614
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.359
need four days rest. And you know, you can make

615
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.440
all the rules of real baseball. You're like, oh, your

616
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.599
your reliever can't do more than two games in a row,

617
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.400
and you rest the catcher every five days. You do

618
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:17.759
all that stuffy.

619
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.000
Yeah, we play the season and you some dialogue of

620
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.000
like who started in like your rotation, and who like

621
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.519
your catcher was for the game to make sure like

622
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:32.759
you actually rested them the Sunday. Like most MLB teams

623
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.880
do it, they put the backup in the backup catcher,

624
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.119
the backup catcher starts on the Sunday.

625
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.640
Yeah. I love that he does it multiple day.

626
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.279
And will Smith is taking a budget anyway.

627
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.839
You know what I love to guys, And I'm sure

628
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.759
you thought this is probably in some of the thinking too,

629
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.279
is it's a great opportunity. Like obviously Garrett wasn't around

630
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.799
in ninety three, like like we were, Matthew, But now

631
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.599
he's getting to know those players and what kind of

632
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.680
players they were.

633
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.599
Yeah, he's learning. He's learning sort of.

634
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.079
The history of baseball through the game itself and an

635
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.279
other I'm using him as an example because we're talking

636
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.039
to you, guys, when anyone else who's playing it that's

637
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.519
on the younger side, that's using a cards that are

638
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.319
players that played before they were even around, Right, They're

639
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.880
going to learn a lot of those things from those stats.

640
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:29.920
And I think that's great.

641
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.799
So we you know, it's not just hey, I'm gonna

642
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.200
beat you, it's you're getting the baseball education in the process, right.

643
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.599
And I love that aspect.

644
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.119
Was that something you were thinking about or just something

645
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:45.759
that naturally happened.

646
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:51.039
I mean for me, I I love showing him players

647
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.240
from that junk wax area that a mild collection and

648
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.319
comparing it to today's players, and him really realizing what

649
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.440
stats are relative to each other. And it's definitely a

650
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.920
byproducts that sort of nostalgia, that sort of hitting nostalgia

651
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.559
and him learning more about baseball. I think the idea

652
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.920
of learning more about the dynamics of double plays and

653
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.559
sacrifice flies and all that stuff came out of this too,

654
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.719
because he was like learning little league rules and everything

655
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:22.840
else left you already matchups. But you know, my joke

656
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.400
was he's like, he's say, oh, man eliea the Cruz.

657
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.400
He steals so many bases, and I go, let me

658
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.480
show you, Ricky Henderson, you know, let me show you

659
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.599
if it's Coleman one hundred and thirty, one hundred and

660
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:35.760
forty stolen bases. Here he goes, that can't be right.

661
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.559
I go, no, that's right, that's that's.

662
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.760
A different And back then too, Garrett.

663
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.280
You know they're stealing second, they're stealing third, and they're

664
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.280
always at risk to play if the picture catchers is

665
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.719
caught off guard. Those were you know, I know we

666
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.840
have some new rules today that make it a little

667
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.079
bit easier to steal. But those guys didn't have those

668
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.280
rules and put up those those kind of numbers. They

669
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.800
were just they were just that that good. Thank you

670
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:08.159
to Matthew and Garrett Weaver. And uh, that was part one.

671
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.440
Next week, in part two, we're gonna learn more about

672
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:18.159
how they settled on the final version materials products. You know,

673
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:23.079
the difficulties of getting a game out there, but check

674
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:29.079
out uh Baseball Card General Manager. Uh and uh, you know,

675
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.280
I think we've all, you know, for baseball collectors. I

676
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.519
think we've all played some sort of baseball related game,

677
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:42.239
whether it be Fantasy Leagues or tisseriy, you know, video

678
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.320
game versions like the show.

679
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:45.280
Uh.

680
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.320
In my case, I've played straight O Matic out of

681
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:54.920
This Park as well. And so you know, this is

682
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.079
cool because you can use your own cards and play

683
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.679
the game however you want to play it. So check

684
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.840
that out and check them out. Next week they'll be

685
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.360
back for part two. We're gonna wrap up this episode

686
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.280
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687
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.559
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688
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.960
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689
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.000
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690
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.639
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691
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.679
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692
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:35.480
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693
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.159
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694
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695
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696
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697
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