July 31, 2026

Joe Hollywood "Doing Big Things" E399

Joe Hollywood "Doing Big Things" E399
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Joe Hollywood has made a name for himself in the hobby but he also is very philantrophic as well. I enjoyed getting to know more about him through our conversations for the pod. I hope you do as well.


Talking Points may include:

*Growing up in NYC & the hobby influence.


*Where the "Hollywood" moniker came from.


*Hustling as a young kid.

*Working on Wall Street and the hobby comparisons.


*Topps controlling 75%+ of the major sports.


*Doing 24 live streams. The how and why.

*Hobby Pet Peeves.




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out all right, I am safely in Chicago enjoining the

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show today. In this week. If you're listening to this

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on the show day itself, join me tonight Friday, August thirty,

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first f five pm local time here in Chicago. I

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will be on the Mike Burkers main stage with Nick

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Jarmin from CTCA none other on CTCA. We're gonna talk

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about what they do, what what it entailsent future plans.

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I'm I'm excited to be on the advisory board committee

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and really looking you know, anything that can benefit the hobby, right,

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I'm going to be all about that, and that's what

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they strive to do, all right, Well, not at the

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house cleaning's done. Let's talk about the guests for this

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week's show and next week show on episode four hundred

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and I didn't know this gentleman until talking to him.

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I had heard of him, I didn't know a lot

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about him and didn't know what to expect before you know,

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doing having a conversation with him for the podcast, and

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I went in. You know, you always try to be

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open minded, but I will say this, after we were done,

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I had a newfound perspective of them. I liked him.

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I think he's very sincere and genuine. You know, it

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does help. He's from New York City like me. He's

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from Queens where I'm from Brooklyn. But I'm talking about

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Joe Hollywood and it's made quite a name for himself

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in the hobby and doing very well. We're gonna talk.

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I'm going to talk all about that on this in

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next week's episode. So with that being said, and I

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know the intro went a little bit longer because all

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those announcements, but let's get the show started. If you

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see me at the National be sure to track me down,

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tap me on the shoulder and love to meet you,

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shake your hand, talk a little hobby, talk a little life, whatever,

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whatever the case may be. So with that being said,

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let's get the show rolling, all right, real happy to

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chat up the next guest on the Sports Cardination guests.

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We are both New York City kids, so we have

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that in common. Look forward to kind of diving into

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the little bit of that. But he's made quite a

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name for himself in the hobby itself, and first time

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on the program. Happy to have him. Without further ado,

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welcome Joe Hollywood.

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John, It's great to be here.

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I'm excited to speak on the on the podcast and

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looking forward to talking about old times together.

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Yeah, so, you know, I know we talked before I

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hit record and stuff. You're from Queens, I'm from Brooklyn.

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We bo that's New York City for you know, we're

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one big, happy family. You know, I have a you know,

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I always am proud of where I'm from. I know

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you're probably like that too. Like I said, I'm a

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little bit older, but around the same time frame. Just

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talk about you know, I've already spoke about it. People

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don't want to hear they've heard my stories. But you know,

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growing up in New York, you know, during there's all

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always a sports heyday in New York, but especially you

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know in that time period right that that you know,

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New York was a lightning rod for sports, and then

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that how that factored into your how you got into

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the hobby as well.

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Yeah, so it was a lightning rod. It was always

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a lightning rod. Still is still is a lightning rod.

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I don't think that's never going to change in New York.

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But man, oh man, it's hard to be a kid

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growing up in New York and not being a I mean,

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we live it, we breathe it by the newspaper, especially

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back in the eighties, and it just it just immersed

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you with everything that was going on and with the

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with the renaissance of sports radio back in the eighties.

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I remember growing up and w f a N was

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just getting off the ground, if you remember that, and

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Mike and the Mad Dog and Keep Franklin and yeah,

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it was, it was. It was pretty wild seeing how

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it all just kind of captured me as a kid.

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And that was you know, right, it happened exactly as

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they fell in love with sports cards, right, so about

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eight years old, seven years old, this is old like

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becoming really exciting for me, and then nine ten years old,

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as I was just like I just you know, one

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hundred percent committed into loving sports and watching it as

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much as I could.

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You know, growing up, we couldn't afford cable.

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I don't know about you, but we didn't have cable,

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so I was dependent upon WPIX Channel eleven for my

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Yankee And of course that brought the scooter with it,

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so that made me really really happy. I loved listening

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to his old stories, and you know, I think I

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even made the charm and my romance for baseball even stronger.

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You know, when you used to hear all that.

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Kind of stuff, it just made you your eyes open

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up right, so you know, it's just just a.

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Little bit of everything.

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It was really really cool not only watching it and

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getting to learn it. And I didn't get a chance

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to have anyone teach it to me, so I kind

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of learned it on my own.

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And whether it.

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Was baseball, basketball, football, and it was Wow, it was

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just just unbelievable growing up as a kid in New York.

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I don't think that's the better sport.

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No, And people ask me that too, some type Joe

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I say, I want you even though I'm not there currently,

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I obviously still a family there. I wouldn't change the thing,

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you know, just like you said, it's something that's in

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your blood. I always joke with my wife like if

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I was single, I probably still live in New York.

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It's on it's I. It's tongue in cheek, but like

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if it wasn't for you in New York, but it's

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I love going there, and and you know, visiting, whether

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it's you know, visit family or going to a game

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or a sporting event, or my son who's who's from here,

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he's twenty six now, he loves to go with, you know,

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with me, so sometimes we'll we'll take a weekend trip

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or whatnot.

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But uh uh, you know, it's I always feel like

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it's in your blood.

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And everyone I talk to that's from New York sort

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of agrees with that sentiment. So when we think about,

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like where did the hobby start for you? Obviously, like

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you said and I echo that, right, it's very hard

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to grow up in New.

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York and not be a sports fan. Right.

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I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's a huge sports

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town as most people. You don't have to from New

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York to know that. So I was a sports kid.

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Sounds like you were a sports kid. How did the

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hobby you know? I found sort of cards by accident, Joe,

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real quick, like nineteen seventy nine. I walked into a

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corner store with my grandpa. I was already a sports fan.

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I didn't know they made cards. I saw Jaws cards,

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but I didn't know they made baseball card until I

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saw him on the front counter, and then I knew

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what they were, but you know, from seeing other cards

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or nonsports, and then when I saw they had baseball cards,

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it was nineteen seventy nine, tops Baseball. I asked my grandfather,

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you know, could I get a few packs? And they

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let me get three packs. The first pack, like the

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fourth card in was Reggie and the rest is history.

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I was sort of hooked since then. And so here

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we are, you know, forty seven years later. For you,

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how did that? You know, how did the hobby start?

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Oh?

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I knew. I liked it for a reason, and actually

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pretty similar.

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I walked into you know, we used to call them

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corner stores and used to be like candy stores.

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That's what they used to word.

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So I want to explain this to people because I'm

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not sure if everyone had the same experience.

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Like, we didn't have general stores.

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We had these little candy stores used to walk into

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and used to sell cards and like greeting cards and merchandise,

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and people used to go they pick up their newspapers,

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and that's where you used to go pick up your cards.

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We were very rare that you would have to go

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to a hobby store to pick up your cards. Went up, right,

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I mean there'd be a couple of hobby stores, but

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most of the time it was just a corner store.

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That's where they used to be delivered. And my granddad

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and my grandfather bought me a pack in nineteen eighty five.

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I was eight years old, and I'll never forget it.

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And that's where it really just blossoms and it started.

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And then I remember going to the corner stores and

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wanting to buy more cards. And in nineteen eighty seven,

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I was fully hooked, like especially with bo Jackson being

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a Future Stars card on that top set.

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I fell in love with that card. I really did.

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Knowing that in nineteen eighty six they didn't meet those cards,

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they didn't have the Future Stars cards in eighty six,

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and then they did it in eighty seven, I'm like,

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oh my god, it was the greatest thing. And just

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totally fell in love with those cards in eighty seven

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and so on and so forth. It just became just

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a oh my god. I became an addiction. Actually, I

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remember collegging those I remember buying a pack of eighty

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six fol year basketball. I remember pulling out Isaiah Thomas's

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rookie So, I mean, was it a bad pack with

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whether Michael Jordan? So I wish I would have bought

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more than one pack at the kid They weren't that expensive.

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I remember I went to this place called Terry Sports

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Cards on with Haven Boulevard and that's where we bought it.

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And I only afford one pack, and with the pack

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that I bought, so it brings back some of the

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best of memories and they, you know, starting my collection off,

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and it sounds like we have some pretty similar memories.

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And that's one of the reasons why we do this,

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is so we can build that connection between dads and grandfathers,

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or moms and grandmas with their kids or maybe with

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their nephews or their nieces, and build that kind of

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connection with the hobby because I got to tell you,

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it's something really special, and there's something special about people

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building their PCs, finding cards and the rarest of places

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and the stories that you hear. It's unbelievable.

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Yeah, and it's funny.

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A lot of the collectors that I talked to that

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are and I don't think it's just a New York

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City thing, but a lot of them that I talk

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to that are from New York City, they have a

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similar you know, a parent, a grandparent, a brother, a

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cousin or someone that sort of introduced them to the

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hobby and then it goes it goes from there. And again,

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it's not a New York City thing only, but I

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think even maybe a little bit more just because of

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you know, I don't know the area, like you said,

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big sports city, and you're probably already a sports fan

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before you even were a card collector. That was the graduation,

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if you will, I read, you know, just as some

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people know. I know the backstory with your name. You

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appeared in the Woody Allen film and so you got

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the moniker Joe Hollywood kind of tongue in cheat. Was

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that something as a young as a young kid that

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did you want to do that? It just kind of happened.

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Was it something you were looking to do long term

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and it just you know, didn't fall that way? Or

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you know, how did that even happen?

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it a handful of us, just literally in the school.

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thought we got in trouble. I don't know why. I mean,

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I think I treated half of my sandwich that day

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and I was like, oh my god, if I do

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something wrong, I remember this. And then I remember going

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to the principal's office and it was so nice that like, hey,

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you got you got chosen to uh possibly be part

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of a movie. And you know, we were to go

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home and bring this paperwork home to our parents and

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I remember bringing it to my mom and she didn't

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understand it, and then it game like a whole thing,

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and and uh, you know, my mom didn't drive of

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the time and didn't have a we didn't have a

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car that worked, and so we had a we were

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dependent upon someone to drive us to New York City

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and the middle of the night, and you know, they

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started filming, and you know that's what nobody understands, like

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they used to start the filming on these things really

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really early in the morning. So I remember getting in

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the car of a four four point thirty in the

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morning and driving to Manhattan, driving to the New York City,

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and my god, it was just one thing after another

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where I just started to really over the next few days,

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like going there, meeting Woody Allen as the kid, and

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I didn't really know much about him, but my family

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made sure I knew way too much. So they painstakingly

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made me watch like several of his movies. And when

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I got to tell you, I am nine years old,

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I didn't want to watch any of his movies. I

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wanted to watch sports, I wanted to watch I want

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to watch the Yankees, John, I wanted to watch the Yankees.

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And those Listen, I'm not you know, Woody Allen. We

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could go all sorts of directions A great director, right,

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no one too much yet, but not for a nine

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year old kid.

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He's not.

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He's you know, those kind of movies he's making are

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not We're going to interest me at nine, and probably

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not you at all as well.

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It was awful, it was.

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It was tremendously awful, and look very talented, incredible and

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incredible when it comes to movies. But listen, when you're

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nine years old and your family is like, hey, you

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can't watch the Yankees today, even though they have a

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free game on wpix. Instead, you're gonna put on this

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movie from nineteen seventy two and you're gonna watch it

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so you can learn about him. I didn't want to

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learn about him. I just I didn't understand. I was

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just like, just let me go there and do my thing.

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And I don't know. They must have chosen me for

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a reason. I don't think anything I'm gonna watch in

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this movie, is really going to help me out. But

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they were determined that I would get to know him.

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And I could tell you nothing. None of these movies

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helped me for anything. It probably actually made it worse.

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It probably made it worse, all right, I'm telling it.

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I recalled.

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It made me actually start to hate it because they

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I mean, they were just.

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So just so over the top. And you've got to

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do this, you gotta.

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And when you talk to him, make sure you look

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them in the eyes and stare at his eyeballs and

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know I'm one hundred percent Italian, and you can only

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imagine the Italian guilt that was coming out, and especially

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talking to my family and then them all giving me

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advice and I'm nine years old and they're all flooding

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me with his advice. Oh my god. It was just

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like it was. It was way too much. So I

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don't think they realized that they did it. But it

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was fun. It was a great experience. I'm glad I

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had to do it. And then you know, it just

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it's unbelievable. Forty years later and I just started a

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movie on Amazon Prime and Apple TV. Could signed Sealed

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and Delivered with Kevin O'Leary and Gary Vee and you know,

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I'm in a majority of the movie and it's about

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the Hobby and it was awesome. So, you know, talk

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about going from one experience in and.

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Now the movie to signed, sealed and deliver. Is that

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is it? Is it like.

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Accurate or is it like as a script or is

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it just.

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The two years? It was a two hour documentary.

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They came in, they came into my executive offices in

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my studio and you know, they filmed and you know,

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they showed you some of the you know, behind the

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scenes over what goes on when it comes to the

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Hobby and you know, and how the show works, and

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you know a little bit of the roots of how

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we started, but mainly asking opinions of where it's going.

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And I think it was very cool. Gave people some

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insight on what really goes into not only building a business,

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but how far the business has come from where we were.

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And I know that we had a chance to, you know,

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off air, just you know, talk a little bit about

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you know, the business where it was to where it

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is now. And I mean, and it's just absolutely night

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and day from.

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I always tell the people, Joe like it's always been

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the hobby, but it's almost it's like a different hobby.

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The evil of it.

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It's like, you know, you see the charts right where

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you see like the Neanderthal man and then the evolution

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to modern day man. That's kind of like where the

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high has kind of went. You know, we grew up

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again around the same time. Again, I'm a little older.

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But you know, when we think about breaking today even

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and I've said this on the show numerous times, right,

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if you would have told the younger version of me

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that someday you'll pay to buy in what's called a

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break and someone will actually open the packs for you

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and you won't be opening your own packs, I would

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have thought your nuts.

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Like I even went.

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With my friends, right They're like, hey, I opened mind

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let me open one of yours too, And I'm like, no,

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you open yours too quick.

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I'm opening my own. Non't touch it, you know.

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And you go from that sort of uh, you know,

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mindset to like you know and everyone knows playing it.

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But if you would have told the younger version of

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me then that that would be a thing. I would

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have thought, you're nuts. And it's a it's a huge thing,

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as we both know, so it's a different hobby.

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They're the reason for it, and it's the same thing

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that was you know from when it started that it

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brings people together. And so the reason it's so it's

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so prevalent and that people enjoy to do it is

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that they're not doing it by themselves. They're doing it

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with other people. And that is the reason where you

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make the sacrifices. Okay, I'm not opening this by myself.

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I'm opening this with a group of other people. And

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you get a chance to share the joy of getting

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that big hit or opening up something that is very unique.

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I mean, we just did that in my show on

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Friday night Saturday early Saturday morning. We were opening up

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the under Wraps products, right fanatics, and let me tell you,

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they make an incredible product. I'm not sure if you

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had a chance to open it. So we're opening up

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their brand new baseball Journey and lo and behold, we

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open up a one out of five show. Hey, Otani,

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there was a special collaboration with Nike, and oh my god,

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we ended up finding out the heresy is worth fifty

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thousand dollars and the person paid less than five hundred

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dollars for me and it's just it's just simply unbelievas.

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So when you get a chance to have those kind

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of moments and then he celebrating with three thousand people

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in my room that are watching concurrently, it just brings

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like a different kind of extent. And I think that's

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that's the difference. I think that people they're a trade

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off that, Yeah, I like to open up my own

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packs too if I'm in that kind of mood. But

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I love going to a room and maybe gifting a

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card or a box of cards two people, because that's

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trying to know that the hobby grows and we need

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more people in this hobby. But the more people that

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we get in, the further that this is going to grow,

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and the more people that are going to enjoy it

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and pass it around to their kids and talk about

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how exciting it is. And without that and we've seen

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what that looks like. Nobody wants to talk about that, but.

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Someone's at my door. I've got to get that be

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right back.

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Sports Combination has reasons.

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You know, we're seeing shows like you just said in

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China and Germany and other countries that have never had

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card shows in London, and the list goes on and on,

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and you know, I like to see that. I'm you know,

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as someone to start it in nineteen seventy nine as

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a seven.

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Year old kid. I like the act that.

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I don't want to think that someone won't can't enjoy

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the hobby because of where they live, right, And that's

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a disqualifier. So I enjoy. I enjoy seeing the growth

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if it's good growth, right. You know that's a double

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edged sword. You know, we won't go down that rabbit hole,

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but I do enjoy seeing the growth. It's interesting to

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hear you say, like in your opinion, like you you

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think they still not only do you think they still

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hold those companies and you even mentioned maybe even acquire

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another one that would surprise me with some of the

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h To answer my own question, Mike, I don't know,

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like they're already getting heat for what they own now

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to add another one, whoever that may be, Like, I'd

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be surprised if they did that. But you know, nothing

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really should surprise us anymore. What we've seen in the

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in the last decade in the hobby, well, you.

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Keep pushing until you find out where you can't push anymore.

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Right, Yeah, So you know if they were if they

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were to do something like that and some said no, okay,

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well we know the oven's hot now, we won't touch it.

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So but if someone says the oven open for business,

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and then why.

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Not you know, no, that's a great point.

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And listen, I do that, you know when I still

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play met's competitive softball, and I coached varsity high school

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baseball and football, and I would put you know, I

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pushed the umpster the refs right until they tell.

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Me like none. You know, I don't want to hear

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another word out of your.

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Your gun and I know that, all right, I gotta

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I gotta keep my mouth quiet now, so it makes

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it makes sense. So yeah, maybe that's what it'll be

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right where until they're told like, hey, you have to

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sell at least one or you can't do that. But uh, yeah,

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it'll be interesting, uh to see you know my big fear.

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And I'll just like close this segment with you know

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my big fear. You know, people asked me because I

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was bulk subbing as an SGC folk subbert at the

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time of the acquisition, and a.

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Lot of people were asking me, Hey, what does this mean?

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What is this going to look like? And honestly, I

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can only give an opinion. I'm not in those meetings

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or those outlook plans, so you know, I gave my opinion.

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But the one thing I was glad about my big fear,

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and I'll get your take on this too, Mike.

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My big fear was that Fanatics was going to.

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Buy a grading card company and I don't want to

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see that. And again, I think it's a conflict of

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interest when you're producing cards and grading them and not

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only grading your own cards per se, but you're also

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a sensebile be cards for all reports very well.

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And you know, I don't think they need a grading

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card company. As someone who's.

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Very experiencing the gricks, let's say, acquired SGC or even

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someone else and became got into the grading space.

473
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You broke up there a little bit, John, So I'll

474
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.960
just grab what I could make out of the stuff

475
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.039
that the Internet connection. Don't know what happened there, but

476
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.559
give me a quick snapshot of what. As you were

477
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.839
talking about Fanatics owning a grading company.

478
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:10.359
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad Fanatics did it.

479
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.279
And again, everything can still happen, but at this point Fanatics,

480
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.640
you know, there was rumors they tried to acquire STC

481
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:20.559
and others grading companies. I don't want to see. I

482
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.559
don't want to see Fanatics own a grading company. I

483
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.519
just think it's a coplict of interest with grading their

484
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.039
own cards grading competitors cards. I think it just said

485
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.119
it's a bad sort of precedent. As someone again of

486
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:38.720
your expertise in the space, do you agree disagree something

487
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:40.559
You're glad it's not the case now.

488
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.880
Well, ideally there would be guardrails for companies that have

489
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.359
access to production, sales and everything else. But you know,

490
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.440
in this market, over the last couple of years, we've

491
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:54.880
seen a lot of chains. We've seen what you've mentioned about,

492
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.559
you know, PSA doing or collectors, you know, other things

493
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:01.839
that have kind of gone on that I would have thought,

494
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.640
you know, years ago, would have absolutely not happened, and

495
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:07.079
now they are and there hasn't been durs and up war.

496
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.920
But it seems like our news cycle is so the

497
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.079
velocity is so fast that there's no like traction of something.

498
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.119
It just like everyone kind of gets up in arms

499
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.519
about it, whatever it may be, and then it kind

500
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.039
of burns its shelf life off in forty eight to

501
00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.519
forty eight hours to a week and then it's onto

502
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.480
the next you know, butterfly to catch. And so, however

503
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:29.880
it works out with Fanatics doing anything or whatever other company,

504
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.720
it'll be what it'll be. And people, again, the market's

505
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.079
gonna go back and decide what they want to do

506
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:38.079
business with or not. I mean, ultimately, if the if

507
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.400
the prevailing thought is that Fanatic shouldn't do that, then

508
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.680
the only way to counter it if they were to

509
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:46.079
do it, is for people to not do business with them,

510
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:49.200
to make it so they get, but ultimately there's ways

511
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.720
to gamify everything and kind of make the friction not

512
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.960
be so frictionalbule or whatever the word is, to use

513
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.559
them as a service hypothetically. So I don't know, we

514
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.759
could go on and on about the debate of the

515
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:04.519
the what ifs and stuff. They're gonna do what they're

516
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:06.920
gonna do, and PSA did what they were going to do,

517
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.400
and they left it like, hey, we did it, now

518
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.160
what you know? And so, and everyone's still submitting to

519
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:12.880
the point where they had to shut down services.

520
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.039
So you know, if it was that big of a deal,

521
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.200
I think it.

522
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.440
Would have you would notice it more in submissions because

523
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.759
you know, even if you can't stand what whatever you

524
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.119
hate about a service or the service, you know, ultimately

525
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.920
the three letters command a lot of liquidity, and people

526
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.000
are entrenched in certain brands for that liquidity, and and

527
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.279
they're and some of them, you know, are so OCD

528
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.640
they can't found them using another grading service to you know,

529
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.839
kind of mess up their ecosystem. And then they're collectible,

530
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.000
so they want all the same holders. They want everything

531
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:44.920
to look this way, and you know, everything's going to

532
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.519
be this color or that color, so you know, I

533
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.039
don't know. I think it's up for each individual to

534
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:50.599
figure out.

535
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.559
Look, we if you have one hundred dollars bill.

536
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.559
Right now and you could spend it on anything, why

537
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.920
why this market, why that grading service?

538
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:58.200
Why? Whatever? Right?

539
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.599
So, ultimately it's going to be up to you and

540
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.240
the other people in the world to to sort where

541
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.200
they want to spend their money, and for whatever reason,

542
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.880
even if it's putting your nose up in the air saying,

543
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.240
you know, I hate to do this, but I have to.

544
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:12.920
My client won only buy it if it's in this

545
00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.160
grading services holder, you're going to look the other way.

546
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.599
Most people do, you know, conviction In our world, in

547
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.400
the business world, you know, you can't put your personal opinion.

548
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.319
You have to do business and business. Business is business.

549
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:25.799
It's cliche for a reason.

550
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.359
Yeah, now you're right, you're right. All right, Let's enough

551
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.680
talking about other three letters. Let's talk about NBA. Right,

552
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.240
we gave them some free pub not that they need it,

553
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:38.799
but we gave it to them.

554
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:44.160
Anyway. Let's talk about your company, NBA bankerupt.

555
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.759
And kind of like, wait, you know how you you know,

556
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.319
why you started it, how you started it, where you

557
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.920
are today and all that good.

558
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:54.119
Yeah.

559
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:57.640
Uh, the why was there's a you know, uh just

560
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.599
heard PSA celebrated or the celebration of one hundred and

561
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.599
fifty million shirt being bought out on the market thirty

562
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.799
five years. So let's say the numbers one hundred and

563
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.000
fifty ish with a PSA overall market, you've got to

564
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.799
probably talk of the two hundred million plus range, you know,

565
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.079
of units of plastics that are out there. Over twenty

566
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.839
thirty plus years, the green services have changed their standards,

567
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.039
They've included new things within their standard. They've tightened up

568
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.559
their standard with centering. There's a lot a little here

569
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:32.599
and there and everywhere where I thought a sticker could be.

570
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:31.839
A good idea.

571
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.680
It was proven to be a good idea in coins

572
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:38.319
with John Albani's doing the CAAC sticker, much so to

573
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:44.759
everyone's opinion that PCGS actually included this their sticker into

574
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.839
their waiting of the ECGs coin register, so it included

575
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.720
a lot more gamification. So a sticker had a higher

576
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.400
weight or has a higher weight than a nonstick coin,

577
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.920
so it has a track record of highlighting better copies.

578
00:28:58.119 --> 00:28:59.400
So I did not invent that.

579
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.599
Will ABCC was doing their sticker well before NBA came

580
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.359
up with one for the trading card industry. There are

581
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:10.319
other stickers that auction houses use four shot corners as theirs.

582
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.920
Heritage has one. You know, there's been others here and

583
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.599
there that was the need. The need is, you know,

584
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.160
you've got all these great cards out there that are

585
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.319
in the same grade, but some cards are just better

586
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.519
within the grade. I always use as an example for

587
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.079
nines in particular, PSA doesn't have a nine point five.

588
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.799
So between a nine point zero and a nine point nine.

589
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.839
There's just better cards, just a fact they don't have

590
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.079
a pristine, they don't have a flawless or a black

591
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:34.920
label type thing.

592
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:36.519
So our sticker helps with that.

593
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.519
And over we'll be celebrating our six year anniversary coming

594
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.799
up here in August. And we finally got some really

595
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.160
great I think we had our our moment in time,

596
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.519
our tipping point last National in Chicago, and some.

597
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:50.400
Great sales happened.

598
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.599
Heritage got some great sales, Golden got some great sales.

599
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.960
Ria Fanatics and it just like was like this perfect

600
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:02.039
moment where they started advertising NBA within the catalog, describing

601
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:02.599
it properly.

602
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.880
There's more search, there's just more information. Also when we

603
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.000
first started.

604
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:09.400
A lot of the cards that we sticker were in

605
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.079
personal collection, you know, so it was no one wanted,

606
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.200
No one wants to sell PC cards, right, But this

607
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.200
hyperbolic market has drawn out a lot of colorful cards

608
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.920
that are stickered great cards, and they're selling for stratosphere

609
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.799
prices and it just keeps turning. So another loge's thrown

610
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.400
on the fire and it's still roaring and ripping. And

611
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.480
it's been it's been great, you know, I've it's been

612
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.079
a hard road, but getting out their COVID was a

613
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:35.759
big non starter for people wanting to send their cards.

614
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.559
We've been labeled grading the grads and all the other

615
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.559
you know, fun terms and whatnot. You know, ultimately, it's

616
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.720
a crossovers. The sticker means something to what we do

617
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.279
for our NBA graded product.

618
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:50.519
So if it's a silver sticker.

619
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.559
It's going to get the exact same grade, but you're

620
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.480
gonna get a silver sticker on our holder because it's

621
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.920
denoting superior iepil for that card in that grade. A

622
00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.920
gold sticker represents something that's a half point.

623
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.319
Yeah, I'm a little stubborn, I'm a little oak, and

624
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.759
so I always felt it was like you're paying twice

625
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.960
to have one card. So I've never done it again,

626
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.680
It's but again, it's a free country. It's America, right,

627
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:18.079
and obviously enough people wanted done. I guess my question

628
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.559
to you is not so much why you know, but

629
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.960
like when when a card gets a silver stick and

630
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:26.839
like it was a great point by you, right with

631
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.759
C I see that. I know they were called the

632
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:32.920
green bean yeah, in the coin and the track record

633
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:35.880
shows us right. I'm not a coin guy, but I

634
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.200
did enough research to know, and I have a coin

635
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.400
guy friend who said, hey, John, one knows with that

636
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.640
green bean sticker, those coins for more money on the

637
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.640
secondary like it or not? Those bringing more money on

638
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.720
the secondary market, right, So I guess my question to

639
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.400
you is between the silver and the gold and like

640
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.640
I've heard it worded like this is been you know

641
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:02.400
in the ten percent of the top of that grade.

642
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.880
How do you know that? I guess would be my

643
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.359
I know it's sort of a simple.

644
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.640
Maybe simplified, but how do you know that other than

645
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.720
you feel like it's sort of like I mean, grading

646
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.279
is subjective to begin with?

647
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:17.960
You know what I mean to say to how do

648
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:18.440
we know?

649
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:19.200
Well?

650
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.400
I think you know, if I showed you ten copies,

651
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.799
I think it would be pretty easy for you and

652
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.559
I to agree that the copy that's getting a sticker

653
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.519
is in within the percentage that's being you know, marketed. Ultimately, though,

654
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.720
you know, we started our graded product hold or hit

655
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.599
the market in January of twenty five. Now, you know,

656
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.799
it shifted from it being that conversation of you, if

657
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.359
you had ten or fifteen cards in front of you,

658
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.920
which ones would you what? Could we all agree that

659
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.880
that is the superior copy within that grade in that sample,

660
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.799
and now it's literally a crossover. So you know, we

661
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.839
look at it like it's got to adhere to NBA standards,

662
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.400
NBA grading standards, and the sticker goes to that. If

663
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.519
there's ever you know, a wobbler, you know, then maybe

664
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.440
the conversation kick into the ten percent. But by the

665
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.119
national or shortly thereafter, we'll have our bronze sticker that's

666
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.359
gonna come out and that's going to be the great equivalent.

667
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.519
So it's basically going to note bronzeticker will denote the

668
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.359
exact same grade going into an NBA holder, A silver

669
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.960
will denote supure ie pill for that grade. So you'd

670
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.000
have a silver gold half point or higher and black

671
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.799
strictly for tens for denoting a fallicity.

672
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:27.920
So that's how you know.

673
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.279
Yeah, you know, I hear black label and we have

674
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.920
you think about the old back controversy. That's a whole

675
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.559
show in itself. But that's again that's them and not you.

676
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.720
So what for those that are listening, like, what's the

677
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.240
difference between this? So is there gonna be no more gold?

678
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:47.440
Is there a gold label?

679
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.319
Yeah, there's there're are.

680
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:49.640
Yeah.

681
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.880
So basically third party, third party graded cards P S A,

682
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.000
S G, C G S CD TAG are the ones

683
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.160
that we do right now. Any any gold represents a

684
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.640
higher grade, any silver represents the same grade with superre

685
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.599
iepeal and when we do launch Bronze, it will reflect

686
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.239
the exact same grade going into an NBA graded holder.

687
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.960
Yeah, so if a card gets a gold sticker from

688
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:17.159
from MBA, you're basically saying that was undergraded, right in

689
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:17.840
your opinion?

690
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:18.320
Yes?

691
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.400
Do you ever not that you care? Do you like?

692
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.159
Do you do you ever get any pushback or feedback

693
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.199
from a grading card company that like, hey.

694
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:28.880
Why do you do that?

695
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.239
Or you're wrong or you know that doesn't make sense?

696
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:33.760
No? No, there's not.

697
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:38.239
I think it's I joked about it last week, and

698
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.599
it's kind of like Anchorman. The greatest services are kind

699
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.679
of like news stations, and it seems like there's not

700
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.880
a lot of you know, you know cohesion. Now I know,

701
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.679
you know, Scott at a great guy, knows.

702
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:50.800
This stuff, no doubt about it.

703
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.199
Can I call him up and ask him about a

704
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.559
card's nuances or if there's a question about something. Absolutely,

705
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.840
are we having, you know, a philosophical discussion about what

706
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:01.639
NBA is doing relative to a sticker.

707
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.599
No, And I bet if we did, he think it'd

708
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:03.920
be great.

709
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.800
Same with some of the guys that I hired and

710
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.920
trained that are still at p s A, you know,

711
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.280
leading the entire grating department.

712
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.639
I think they say that they're great.

713
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.559
They're happy that I'm I found a lane to you

714
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.559
know that I'm happy with, and I think the market

715
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.119
for the most part is has been acceptant of I

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know there's the naysayers out there, but like you said

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about the coin and the CAC the green bean sticker,

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whether you like me or you don't like me, it's

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not a personality thing. It's it's the data that that

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that comes from the sales and that builds.

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The business case.

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That's what should that's where the decision should lie from,

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not on all the other superfluous stuff that you can

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get caught up in in this you know, cause and

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effect mentality that a lot of people have in our hobby.

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Yeah, no, it's it's a good point. That concludes part

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one of our conversation with Joe Hollywood. Really enjoyed the

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whole conversation, which concludes next episode, Part two. This is

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a during National week. Hope to see some of you

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here if I haven't already, uh and with a couple

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main stage performances check the schedule there. So with that

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being said, let's wrap up this week's episode and we'll

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see you either here international or next week with part two.

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Time for our hobby is the people announcer of the week.

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You and already might here Baseball collector, and remember that

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the hobby is the people.

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If you'd like to be the hobby is the people

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announcer of the week, to have one or MP three

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file and send it to Sportscott Nation DC at gmail

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dot com.

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Hey John, you want to have a catch