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your number one source. Sports Car Nation. The hobby is the people. [Music] Sports Car Nation. What is up everybody? Welcome to episode 352 of Sports Card Nation podcast and part two of our great conversation with Dustin from Sports Card Dad. Hopefully you enjoyed last week's first part. Uh part two continues on this episode. Again, for those that are maybe new, uh we used to do longer episodes, but now we do our interviews in two parts. and um to keep them a little bit more consumable. So, uh Dustin returns this week. Uh we chop up some more hobby. So, without further ado, let's get to that. All right, here is part two of our conversation with Dustin from Sports Card Dad. And we're going to start off here talking about what he PCs, how he moves cards, and that sort of thing. Uh you talk about uh you know, buying and selling. We both do that kind of uh for for those that don't know like what do you PC and you know what how do you sell your cards like for me you know all the all the major platforms your eBay comps even sport lots and obviously I do about two shows a month on on average so 24 shows a year um you know IPC vintage hall of fame I don't want to say vintage hall of fame graded rookies of of the four sports and Jackie sort of my my guy Even modern wise, I'm a big Bobby. Um, so I try to eat, you know, even though I'm he I'm heavy vintage. I'm a sports fan. I still watch current sports. So I try to still, you know, collect along those lines. For you, where do where do you fall in there? Yeah. So I am a longtime New Orleans Saints fan. So I'm a we're season ticket holders. My wife, when I was dating her, so this is kind of funny. I started dating her in 2009, January. the Saints won the Super Bowl in January 2010. So, she like our our like love story is wrapped around the only Saints Super Bowl winning season. And I told her, I'm like, "This is never this is probably never going to happen like this again." You know, like, and so she was like the lucky charm and all that sort of a thing. But we got on the waiting list for season tickets in 2009 during the season because she's like, "Oh, let's like there's a waiting list. We'll get on the waiting list." Well, two years ago, we got the call like after Shawn Payeyton and Drew Brees left. like we're literally on the wait list for like 15 years. We finally get the call. So, we buy tickets and we're season ticket holders. So, I'm a huge Drew Brees is the best Saint that ever played. So, he's my main PC guy. And then I also have I have got a pretty solid Tom Brady collection as well, but with Tom Brady, you know, you could spend a lot on Tom Brady stuff, but he's kind of more of like my goat, you know, I like the football goat, you know. So, but I've got, you know, I would say football cards in general are kind of where if I go back to my hobby roots, 89 pro set, trying to find Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State rookies, and Troy Aman and Dion Sanders. Um, you know, so football cards is really kind of my first love and basketball with Michael Jordan coming up. I'm a junk wax era kid. So, uh, my dad was an officer in the Air Force. I was actually born in in Germany. We lived in England for 5 years and I moved to the US for the first time. I was a US citizen obviously because of my dad, but um I was seven years old. We moved to Panama City, Florida. And then that's where I start, you know, there's there's local card shops and all that, but football, basketball, that's when the Beckets first came out was 1990 for both of those. You probably remember all of that. And so that kind of, you know, I'm eight, nine years old. That kind of like kickstarted everything. You're checking the Beckets. So I'm I'm I fell right in line with that Junkwax era. Um so I've got a lot of I've got a Johnny Unitas rookie. I've got Bart Star rookie. Actually, I've just got it right here on my desk. Um, you know, so I've got a lot of variety. Um, I also have a on the non-sports side, I've got, you know, like the only Stephen King packulled autograph is this. You can't really see it. I can't get a good like lock on it. Um, I'm a big Stranger Things card collector. I've got a bunch of rare Stranger Things cards because it's inexpensive and my whole family watches the show. We got season five coming up. But I'm also just like an 80s9s nostalgia nerd. So I'm also one of these weirdos that yes, I have a lot of sports cards. I've got non-sports. Um I've got a 84 star Jordan five uh PSA 55. That's my best card. Um but I've also got graded comic books. I've got graded action figures. I've got graded video I've got like graded, you know, original Nintendo games. So there's a lot of like, you know, 80s 90s nostalgia collectibles as a whole. Not just I've got a lot of sports cards, but I've got a a big mix. Yeah. It sounds like you stayed kind of true to your roots, kind of what you grew up liking and enjoying and kind of now still doing it uh in this fashion, right? And uh you hear a lot of that, right? I try to do that uh as much as possible. I've even, you know, on the non-sports side, I've started to pick up cards of my favorite actors and actresses, musicians, and and that sort of thing. and the non-sports as you well know Dustin has really made strides in the in the last few years and have gotten more more even more mainstream and and uh more accepted. Not that it needed to be for for me like if I like it I just you know that's fine by me but even more people have started to dabble in it at least or go even maybe even more than dabbling. So uh you know it's fun and uh uh very few things that are not covered on cards. you know, we got pickle ball uh players, we've got bowlers, uh you know, with all the uh even even just celebrities now appearing uh whether it be Ginter or whatever else. Um it's just it covers so many different uh things and uh it's fun, right? You can buy what you like and if you don't like it, you don't have to to to to buy it. So, I I kind of alluded to it early on in the show, like you know, we like you said, we we both have shows that that generate uh some income. Uh for me, that comes through sponsors. Uh on my audio side, it comes from downloads. On the audio side, um I I often sometimes get I don't want to say often, but sometimes I will get criticized sometimes publicly, sometimes privately. Uh, I've noticed you got uh uh you get that too. Uh, I know we talked before we even started recording. Um, for me like I will never have like a sponsor during the show itself. I will never have a sponsor that it's not something that uh I don't use already or support or recommend you. Uh, I don't shill for anything just for the sake of a dollar. Uh and and I think it's similar for you and I think we're you know I'm biased but I think we're unfairly criticized when we do uh get some of that flak and uh you know I don't apologize for it. I have no problem explaining kind of my stance on it just so people are more aware. Um you know kind of your uh I can only speak for myself obviously uh but your your take when when you when you face a little bit of that that flack or criticism. Yeah, I mean I know how much time and effort it makes it takes to make content. And so, you know, anytime I ever see an any content creator, whether it's in cards or a golf channel or what any any YouTube um I'm always if they have a sponsorship, I'm thinking like good for them. That that's always my reaction. And it's just simply because, you know, it this isn't rocket science what we do. It's not like we're solving cancer, but it is it is work. It's really fun work. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I wouldn't be doing it. you wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't really fun. It's just an extension of our hobby. But, you know, if someone is able to make a few extra bucks, you know, with their channel, and again, as you mentioned earlier, it's just going right back into the hobby. It's going back into cards. It's helping to fund, you know, buys. Um, you know, it's it's helping to get new camera equipment or or whatever it is. So, you know, it's it's just part of the circle of life, you know, that helps people. It's it'd be it'd almost be like getting if if I was like irritated because someone bought a card for $100 and then sold it for $300 and like what what do you mean you you made $200? That's crazy. How why did you how why did you do that? You know, that's how they're funding their hobby. That's that's how our hobby works. You know, they that's like our entire hobby is literally buying, selling, trading, buying, grading, selling, you know, like take your pick on whatever that's going to look like. So for me like you know the channels and the proliferation really the expansion of of hobby content and more and more channels are now getting sponsorships. It's becoming more normal. I would say though maybe part of our issue is is that if you go back a few years there was not many channels that had any sort of sponsorship and so maybe that was kind of new in this in this space to some degree. Um as YouTube grew and viewership grew um you know and maybe that's part of it. Maybe it's just kind of like people weren't used to seeing it. Nowadays though, you know, there's a lot of channels that have different different agreements in place and like you said, you know, there's some uh you know, content creators that that decide not to have sponsorships and that's great. That's on them. If they don't want to do it, then that's that's perfectly fine. I guess I just don't have like a judgment one way or another. You know, if people decide to do it, great. If they don't, then great. You know, I mean, I just I don't understand though getting worked up about it. I do try people will say like, "Oh man, you know, so much of the video is the sponsor talk and I literally try to I have it down to about 45 seconds of my video because I'm I'm cognizant of it, you know, to where it's at at max it's about a minute that I'm talking about a sponsor in like a 8 to 12 minute video. So my goal is to try to just kind of get it in there and you know, most people for the I mean the majority of people are like, "Hey, I don't mind it at all." you know, there's just some people that that don't, and that's okay. Yeah. Well said. And and and I agree across the board. Even and and I've done things even uh as the show has grown and increased, and you know, I used to run three or four like commercials uh during during an episode, you know, Dustin. And now what I do is I run one featured sponsor per episode and I thank the other, let's say three in in the intro. Hey, thank our all our sponsors. I know Dr. Jim does that on on his show and then run one commercial instead of three or four and that's kind of taken some of those ads out. Um, you know, Spreaker, which is the platform I'm on for audio, um, they sort of put their own at the at the front pre-roll and endro. I always tell people, Dustin, I'm sure you've said the same thing, like you like just hit the fast forward 30 second button and like the minute you hear like the promo. If you don't want to hear it, like the maybe a sponsor won't really want me to say that, but like if you're listening and you don't like you don't want to hear that, just hit that third. I've done it. I've done it while listening to other content myself. So, I can't knock someone for for doing it, too. And and that's the option you have. So you can just skip to the part when we're doing the show. We're talking about cards and and you know, no one's worse for the wear. But uh like like you said, you know, it's it's we're transacting, right? It's it a lot of those funds go right back into the hobby. And the hobby is where it is because all of us are are transacting. And I think sometimes that criticism comes from whether it be a jealous place or whatnot. And I've even had a content creator uh like say, "Hey, you know, how did he word it to to me?" He's like, "Oh, I don't I don't take sponsorship, so my opinion is more pure." And you know, I'm like, "Well, maybe it it is. I can't say it is or it isn't, but mine is just as well." Like SGC is one of the sponsors of the show, and I've been on this very show. When they when we agreed to that, I said, "Listen, I'm if if I don't agree with something you're doing, I'm I'm going to use tact and be respectful, but I'm going to talk into the mic and say, "Hey, man. I I don't like this or I don't like what's going on right now." And they're like, "No, by all means, if you keep it respectful and not personal, we we can't, you know, we're good with that." And so, I've been on this very show and have been critical uh in a respectful way of SEC. So, you know, that's not shilling. And and I wouldn't if they ever if if any spots said, "Oh, I you can't do that." Then I then our conversation's kind of over terms of like a working relationship. So, and I've never had I've never had that, by the way, too. And I'm sure you probably haven't either. I mean, I probably worked with a probably a dozen companies, maybe more, and no one has ever said, "Don't say this or don't say that." You're right. I more or less I was just giving a heads up like this is kind of you know they didn't they didn't open open that conversation. I just said here's how the show goes as long as you're comfortable with that. We we'll be fine. They're like yeah no problem. Just the only thing they said is is what I already said like I'll be tackful and respectful. It's not going to be personal. You know what I mean? And they're like yeah that's fine. And uh they've been on the program. Peter Steinberg's been on the program uh numerous times. I've asked them tough questions uh and that so so that's and and and I think that's so when that person said well I'm more pure I I point to that like hey you know uh and they're a listener of the show like have you didn't you hear me be critical of SG when they're sponsor so I'm you know I don't know if you're more pure we're tied or whatever but like you know it's that's like you said that's a personal choice on their content side that they're not going to take any spot and that's So the fallacy the fallacy there though is that it's making the case that if you're not sponsored then you're not biased which is not true. So the way that I've always I I was with SGC for for two years. Uh they sponsored the channel and now I'm a PSA partner and both companies have been great. You know I know they're under the same you know umbrella now. Um, you know, but the the way that I always manage grading is first off, I'm a huge believer in thirdparty grading authentication because you and I both I mean we were there in in the late 80s 90s when there was no grading and it was a total it was a free-for-all. It was real, you know, people are like, "Oh, it's the wild west now." No, no, no. It was the wild west in 1990. That's when it was the wild west. You know, we had this that that that autograph, you know, that the um you know, the guy coming out with the autograph stuff. We won't go into all that now, but like that was the norm in 1990. There were it was like handwritten COAs. I remember at the mall like it was like a disaster, you know, back then. So, I'm a huge and the way that I kind of navigate grading partners is I think we have four very strong companies in the space. We do. We have four great grading companies. So, even though I might be partnered with with SGC or it might be PSA, you know, if you decide to go to CGC, that's great. Or if you decide to go to Beckett for certain cards, that's great. you know, I mean like we have great four great companies. In 1990, we had zero great company. We had nothing, you know, so I mean, yes, there's mistakes made, you know, whatever, but I mean like we are in such a great spot with thirdparty grading authentication now. And that's how so yes, you know, I might have a bias towards PSA or I might have a bias towards SGC, but I'm a believer as a whole in thirdparty grading. And just because someone is not sponsored by any of those grading companies, they still have their own biases. they still have their own grading biases. They grade with whoever they grade with and they're still going to give an opinion. So, I never understood that that argument. Yeah. No, it's a great point. And and they might not get they might not be getting financially compensated, but they're you know, anytime you do content, you're giving your opinion unless you're really vanilla and you you literally drive down the middle of the road and uh either way. So, we're all we're all given our opinions. It's just sometimes we're compensated or not. But neither one makes us less more or less, you know, honest. It's just how we we feel, right? Like I've again I've been critical of SG uh even as even as they sponsor the program and I was upfront right from from day one with them and I've never had an issue and uh you know it's I don't know how many years now it's been four. old. So, um, but you're right. Whether someone's get has a sponsor or not, they're still giving, oh, I don't use this so and so company and I use this 100%. And I, you like you said, I agree. There's four uh companies. So, I use, you know, full transparency myself. I use SGC and PSA. I used to use Becket back in in the in the heyday. They've kind of, for me, I've kind of fallen off that pedestal. Can they come back? I'm not rooting against them, you know, Dustin, but you know, they're just not an option for me now. Um, but if you look at my show inventory, I'm sure there's a some Beckets a couple Becket slabs in the inventory there. And same thing with CDC and I'll buy like I'll buy cards that are in those slabs, I'm not like while I may not send, you know, again, it's buy the card, right? Not the not the the slab or the slab company, right? If I want to buy a card and it's a good deal, it could be in a becket slab, it could be in a C. I have a lot of CD uh cards. So, um while I may not send all four, I have all four of those represented in my in. So, like you said, to me, they're the four major players. Uh you know, uh whatever way you rank them in your own mind, that's up to you. But, um you know, I think that's where we are. And I think it's it's going to be hard to crack into that uh top four if if you're not if you're on the outside uh looking in because there's a lot of history there. You know, you are listening to the Sports Card Nation podcast. We'll be right back after this break. For nearly 50 years, Sports Collectors Digest has been the voice of the hobby, bringing you comprehensive coverage of the sports collectible industry. From industry news, auction results, market analysis, and in-depth stories about collectors and their collections. Sports Collectors Digest has everything you need to know about the hobby. SCD is also your leading source for listings of sports collectible dealers, card shops, card shows, and the latest from the industry's top companies. To check out all the latest news or to subscribe to The Hobby's oldest magazine, visit sportscollectorsdigest.com or call 1-8008295561. [Music] Everyone even thinks CGC is new. Um, they're not. They've been around a while, but they've really uh gotten more so into the the card aspect in the last uh couple years. So, to to be in that top four, you got to sort of have uh some uh some track record and I think uh those four as you pointed out uh check those boxes. So, but again, right to to every to each their own. you know, some people uh I used to use toploaders to to put my now I'm a semi- rigid guy. Someday maybe I switch back and uh you know, so you can always pivot and change your opinion uh as need be or if something happened and that's the beauty of the hobby. I always tell people, right, you're the CEO of your own hobby company and how you collect what you buy. You don't have to go to a board of directors and approve uh maybe your wife if you're married, but that's why I have that separate account. So, I don't even She's not on my board of hobby directors, Dustin. But I say that in a in a in a not mean-spirited way, but a funny way. So, so we're all kind of, you know, we're in control of how we want a hobby. And that's that's the fun part uh of it. Yeah. No, absolutely. And it's funny, too, because we've had these conversations what cards we're buying and that sort of a thing. and she's kind of more along the line of hey look you know like you've got your ch like the channel money pay you know it buys the cards buys the collectibles but there's always thought around yes you know like because I get a lot of joy out of low-end we talked about 89 pro set Barry Sanders stuff you can get those for a few bucks so she her take is more of you know make sure it's a strong store value if you're going to put some significant money into it so like cards I'm targeting today's video I know this will come out later on but going back couple weeks when this going, you know, back to the future or whatever. Um, you know, the video I made today was three cards I'm targeting at the national. They're all vintage baseball cards because I have no vintage baseball cards in my collection. So, you know, I'm trying to just balance things out a little bit to where I feel good like it's awesome stuff that I love, but also what I feel is a pretty strong store of value, you know? So, that's really kind of where I like everyone's happy. Yeah. Yeah. And it it it makes sense if you're going to spend a significant amount of money on a card. Uh it makes sense to to you know purchase a card that uh if if and when the time comes and like you have to like sell it or move on from it like you don't want to necessarily lose. Now we don't control that but with some research and and using our heads and experience right we we we didn't just get in the hobby yesterday. We can make uh some smart buying choices. I approach um and I didn't do I usually do and I didn't this year. I might do it kind of after or just uh I'll kind of preload it, but I always go in with a list of five cards that I I'd like to get knowing I'm not number one I couldn't afford all five even if I wanted to. Um but like I always try to get two of the five. Not sure in which two for sure. Uh two of the five. You know, I don't want to go in with just two because if you miss out on one, you you almost feel like it's not a failure, but you sort of feel you're setting yourself up for a little disappointment. So, I go in with a target list of five with hoping to check two of those. A great show would be three. Two is what you're hoping for. One is like, what happened? You know, did I not do due diligence? And the problem the problem with vintage baseball is, so I made this video today and my comment section is now full of like, oh well, you know, think about this one, think about that one. And that's the problem with vintage baseball cards is it's like this endless rabbit hole. And that's part of the reason why I've kind of avoided it a little bit because I'm like, damn it, you know, I'm going end up spending like my entire collection will end up being like vintage baseball, you know, because once you kind of get into it, then you're and I don't want to be the guy that's necessarily just buying like all Hall of Famers or something. I want to be kind of more of a player collector. I'm really focused on um Willie Mays, Barry Bonds, and um what was the other one that uh the other player? I'm just drawing a blank on the the Red Sox, the the hitter. I'm drawing a blank on um the you're talking on the vintage side. Yeah, pre-wared Ted Williams. Ted Ted Williams and then Roberto Clemente. So like those are like the four guys. And then but like Jackie Robinson, if there's a if there's a great Jackie Robinson card, like that would be tough to like if the price is right, if it's like, you know, a great looking copy, that's the problem for me with vintage baseball is it could just turn into like that's my whole focus, you know, for a while, which is good. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. And and we both know and and people out there listening know as well, Dustin, too. There are certain players, right, that are just known for holding their value if not increasing where, you know, like, yeah, it's going to cost me a little bit here, but like, you know, down the line, I'm not going to have trouble. If I have to get out of the card, if that's if that day comes, I'm I'll be okay. Uh, Jackie Leaf rookie, you know, when I explain that to my wife, that checks that sort of buys. And that's not and again, that's not that's my point. That's not the only card. there are a lot of cards that that fit that description and bill. So, uh that's important to note uh you know and and making those smarter purchases, right? Uh that you know like yeah this is it's just it's just money in a different form whenever it's like putting it in the bank and but instead of sitting in the vault, it's sitting on your desk or wherever you store uh your cards or maybe it is in the bank in a safety uh deposit box potentially, but it's still it's just in a different form. And I think sometimes we forget about that or or lose sight of that. And uh uh you know we got again we're recording this before the nationals. So I I kind of go in with five hoping to get two. Three would be uh like a a real success. Two is kind of the goal and if I get one, you know, something happened, did something wrong or just a a tough show. But even then, right, it's still it's not even just the cards, right? It's it's it's talking. I'm looking forward to to seeing you there and shaking your hand. It's it's the events after the show. Uh you know, I'm going to White Sox Phillies game. I got a couple dinners, the PSA registry, but it's it's more than the cards. Like the cards is the common thread, but it's everything. Uh you know, I could probably I know a guy, we'll mention his name, he said he spent his card budget even before the national. he's still going to the national uh with that budget just to see everybody have dinners, enjoy the the camaraderie and that sort of thing. So the cards is a big part of the story, but it's not uh the only part of the story. And so whether I get one card, zero cards, two, three, it's still going to be a fun five days. I know you'll uh you'll probably feel the same way and and you know, looking forward to to seeing you here. uh you know few uh a little over a week so when we're recording this. Yeah, absolutely. It's going to be fun. And that that that is kind of the fun of it. Every year there will be new whether it be viewers or content creators that I've connected with because I' I feel like I've known you for a long time but I've never met you because I've been watching you for a you know obviously for years and but every year there's always like people like that where it's like oh yeah you know and and you know you're able to connect and you know that that's a lot of fun. For sure. Yeah. And it's funny cuz, you know, someone will say, you know, and I've seen you and I'm like, I don't want to bug him. Like the times I' I've seen you like you're looking at something or talking and I'm like, I'll catch him when he's not in like mid-con conversation. I don't want to interrupt the potential transaction. Then I don't then I don't see again. But I'll make a point for sure this year to even if it's interrupting the transaction, maybe I'll be I'll talk you into buying something that we talked about earlier in the show. Um, but I've had people say, "Oh, I saw you, man. I I didn't want to bug you. I'm like, "No, I'm I'm a talkative guy. Like, don't don't you know, sometimes I got to be careful because you get in all these conversations and it's like three or four hours and like I haven't even looked at any cards yet or any tables yet." You sort of got to balance uh balance that time out. So, um but uh I always tell people I'm a I'm very approachable. Don't hesitate. Um uh you know, that's that's that's you know, like the tagline of the show, right? The hobby uh is to people. The cards are obviously uh the common thread, why we're we're passionate about, but it's the people and the stories, you know, uh that go along with it that that make up uh the hobby and and why it's so enjoyable, right? We could sit at home behind a computer, never leave the house and buy cards. And that might be a little fun. I'm not going to, you know, we do that. Uh but the fun is going out there and having conversations, sharing, you know, what we pick up. uh and not even just about cards, but life and just having uh those great convers. So, uh that's at least how I look at it. I think too it's it's an interesting dynamic because really if we're if we're talking about collecting cards and looking at cards, whether it's in binders or top loaders or graded cards or whatever, usually you're kind of isolated when you're doing that. You're doing that by yourself at your house. So when you go to a card show or you go to the national, it's kind of it's a unique experience in that you're around another 5,000 people or 100,000 people that are doing kind of that same isolated event that you do at home. And it's like it's having, you know, all those like-minded people together from all different backgrounds. And, you know, that's that's a really I think that's what kind of ties it all together is is that part of it because then you're you know, because I I don't know the best way to explain it. It's almost kind of like an introverted hobby in a way, you know. And then it's almost I'll say this. I just wrote an article, Dustin. It's almost and not to make it. It's almost religious, right? We go like if you're of certain belief, you go to church with people who believe the same thing, right? It's sort of that uh you know, you even uh talked about it earlier like you know, it's it's it's not Mecca, but it's the hobby mecca, right? It's it's the one week every year we circle on the calendar. You're not going to get more hobbyists in one building at the same time at this. I don't care uh what other show. This is the show. You called it the greatest show on on turf. I agree. It's the greatest card show every year. Regardless of what city, Chicago, Atlantic City, Cleveland, uh Detroit in in three years, Atlanta in three years, whatever it may be. Uh you know, we look forward to every every year we make plans. It's even more than the cards, right? It's the the stuff that happens once the show doors close. It's even before the show. Uh and it it's all that you're not going to get that many like-minded people in one place hobbywise anyway uh at one time. And so not not to like compare it to religion, but it has some parallels there almost like a pilgrimage, right? Every year we're we're pilgrimaging to, you know, insert city here. for for us it's going to be Chicago uh this year and the next two and we'll see after that but uh you know you mentioned Mecca and I wrote an article where I mentioned like Mecca and Jerusalem and not to not to bring really but it has that hobby the hobby equivalent uh to to those kind of places. Yeah, it's really that serious and and people outsiders probably think you guys are nuts but it it is that serious though you know I mean weird it's a weird bond that we all have. Yeah. Yep. But it's fun and that's why we do it and that's what it's about. And uh listen, I'm I'm glad you you came on. Probably uh should have had you on frankly sooner. Uh that's on that's on me. I I apologize and we'll have you on again. There were some things I did I had bullet points that we didn't even uh get to tackle uh tonight. So we'll save them for hopefully another appearance. And uh I look forward I know this will air again with the show be over and done, but look forward to to seeing you here uh in a little over a week as well. Same to you, John. I'm excited. Yeah. And I as always, listen, last word, share anything, your socials, where people can get your content, YouTube channel, uh take your time, get all that stuff out there. I don't have a lot. I mean, I would say kind of my my channel or kind of the platform of choice for me is has always been YouTube. It's the sports card dad. And then I'm on I'm on Twitter X as a sportscard dad and then also on IG at sportscard dad. But YouTube is really kind of where I live mostly. Um you know I and that's really I would say probably the best way to find me in the comment section or or you can email me. Um in the video description I've got my email address if you want to reach out in my videos. I'm I'm available. All right, there you go. Dustin, thanks again as always. Had a blast. Uh time flew right by so we'll have to do it again. Yeah, man. All right. Thanks, John. Appreciate it. Take care. All right. Awesome having Dustin on the program. That was part two. If you missed part one, just go back a week. It's right there. Uh take this moment to uh besides thanking Dustin, uh next week we have Brett McGrath from Stacking Slabs uh will be our distinguished guest on Sports Card Nation. Um I forgot to thank the sponsors in the intro, so I'll take that moment uh now to do that. Iron Sports Cards, SEDD, Sports Collectors Digest, who um privilege to write for uh Hobby Hotline as we make the move or made the move to four collectors and Upper Deck. So, uh thanks to all those entities for uh making this show possible and uh appreciate it. So, we're going to have our Hobby is the people announcer of the week and wrap up this week's episode. Time for our Hobby is the people announcer of the week. Hello, this is Mark Hy and remember the hobby is the people. If you'd like to be the hobby is the people announcer of the week, do a WAV or MP3 file and send it to sportscardationpc@gmail.com. [Music]
