Breaking Cardboard E3 w/ Iowa Dave Schwartz "Favs from the 80's"

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Check them out at www dot go SGC dot com experience quality. All right, So now to bring on my guests. Happy he agreed to join us today, was looking forward to this episode and a fan of a show The Shallow End, really collector based show which I tend to enjoy more than any It's not always about the dollar signs, which is, you know, kind of how I try to be. But you know, I'm a dealer.

I wear different hats. So without further ado, I'd like to welcome out on Iowa, Dave Schwartz. Welcome Dave Hey, John thanks for having me. This is the perfect way to spend a Friday night, just talking baseball cards, opening baseball cards, no drama.

I cannot wait. Yeap Lukie, says I game intow York. John. Yeah, I've been called that before or not not the first time.

And we're gonna we're gonna tonight's kind of theme is our favorite cards from the eighties. Guys, and again, this chat room's usually great. Put yours when we're going through each year here by all means put your favorites in there. I'll put your comments on the screen as well.

We're gonna go from nineteen eighty to eighty nine. That's ten years. Uh, you know, we we and we discussed me and they've discussed you know we're you're not gonna see the eighty nine upper Deck Griffy. Not that it's not a great card.

It's iconic, but it's it's almost too chalk. So you know you're gonna see two different cards when we get to nineteen eighty nine. Along the way, we're both gonna rip open a packs while we're live on the air. I got to stay with the eighties theme and and Dave did as well.

I got an eighty five down Us and an eighty seven Clear. There's some bet we might pull something we picked at these out of these packs potentially, And I know Dave's got a couple. I don't know if he wants surprise you. I kind of mentioned them on one of my social media.

You want to share what you're going to open, David. I'll share one, but I'm also going to keep one. Okay, one. The first one here is I just picked this up at the local sporting good store.

Eighty seven Fleer. I ripped a lot of this back when it when it came out. I love the bright blue color. It's probably my favorite fluir design of the eighties.

I like the way that we're doing this tonight too. We're going eighty through eighty nine. One favorite card per year, not just Tops, not just Doner, It's not just Fleur or whatever, but whatever one that we like. And yeah, it's not the most conic otherwise would have the exact same ones.

It's just the ones that we like the most or identify something. Yeah, and we're you know, there's one year I'm going to cheat a little bit on and I'll explain it when we when we get there, I'll leave it a tease right there as well. Again, guys, it's not about value, although some of these cards will obviously have some value to them. We'll do it snake draft wise, Dave.

So as a guest, I'm gonna let you go first for nineteen eighty, and I'll do one, and then i'll do eighty one, and then we'll come back and you'll have two picks in a row, and now almost like fantasy draft, snake draft type, and again in the chat room, share your favorites from each year as we go through, I'll post them on the screen as well. We'll do a couple, we'll do two or three years. Then we'll rip a pack open, and then we'll cover some more ground and get to our last pack toward the back, the back nine, if you will. So let's start with nineteen eighty, Dave, and your pick for nineteen eighty.

Sure, so we just said we weren't going with the most iconic cards, but I did exactly that with nineteen eighty, right. So eighty one, of course is when Don Russ begins and Flear returns. But an eighty it was just tops, and so I just went with the nineteen eighty tops Ricky Henderson. I owned it as a kid.

I held on to it for decades, and when I got back into the hobby, I grated it. I pulled it out of a screw down and somehow got an eight on it. I ended up selling it later on picked up another one, a six that looked just as good as the eight. It is just a beautiful card.

That yellow, that yellow jersey of the oplan A's, the green and yellow helmet. Everything about this card to me is perfect. I love this card. I'm not picking it because of its value.

I'm picking it because it is by far my favorite card. From Yeah, you'll get no arguments from me. I kind of without knowing, I had a feeling you might go there, so I picked a different one, you know, before the card I picked obviously not as valuable, but in you know, in nineteen eighty, Ricky Henderson wasn't Ricky Henderson yet. And while I was a Yankee fan, unfortunately I was a third Munthston fan and at that point he was gone tragically as we all know.

So I wasn't necessarily a Reds fan. But I had to pick this card because I remember opening, you know, nineteen eighties tops backs and just enjoyed getting this card when I pulled it. Right, it's the Pete Rose, Right, he's either around the batting cage or at the top of the dugout watching what's going on, whether it was batting practice or the game itself. I mean, right here you can see like just you know, he's just a gamer, right, He's just always entrenched into to what's going on on the field.

And you know, even eight year old me at the time knew how great of a player Pete Rose was and great hitter, and so while a Yankee fan, this card was pretty cool to pull. You know, Reggie Jackson I thought about as well, but I wasn't a huge Reggie guy, I believe it or not. And so Pete Rose. You know, I think every kid that played literal League right at this error.

I'm not saying it now so much kind of wanted to sort of be Pete Rose as a hitter. Just get I love this card. It reminds me of just of my childhood. I was when I was born, like like a lot of us, Pete Rose was playing for the Reds, but the first time I started collecting cards, he was a Philly and so I thought of him as a Philly first, and then as I learned the history of baseball, I thought, oh, he came from the Reds and the Phillies.

So when I think of my earliest memories of Pete Rose, that's what he looks like in that eighty topscu. Yeah. Just if you know me, Dave and anyone that's listened to my content, I have a thing. It's weird, and maybe it's not as weird as I make it out to be.

I had a thing for close facial facial shots on base before Don Rosh Maddenly and another card we might see later here a few picks, So, uh, I guess we're to eighty one. The eighty one card I have, I had nearby, so rather than put up a picture, although it would cover my ugly mug up and be disappointed in that respect. Uh. The Tim Rains rookie, I know we got a little glare here, but you know, I know some people don't like the you know, the three player cards and the three player versions.

Tim Rains. We didn't necessarily know, uh, you know, he's going to be a Hall of Famer, but we knew he was pretty good early on and that was a card. Uh you know, Fernando was in the mix there for for me as well. But uh you know, I actually went to some Montreal Expo games, even though I was in New York City.

My my grandfather, who was raised by my grandparents, for some reason, we went. We made three or four trips to to Montreal for for expo games as well. And I remember seeing as a young player, you know, not what he turned out to be, but uh, you know, in the early stages. So that card, again, it's not about value.

You can pick up that card. That's a nice thing. You can pick up a Hall of Fame rookie of Tim Rains for probably ten bucks twenty bucks, depend on what kind of grade you want on it. So a couple of comments here, How about the nineteen eighty Burger king Nolan Ryan with the orange chat.

Yeah, that's the type. I stayed mostly with the mainstream stuff, which I know that's sort of like tops. But uh, you know, I know my Mets guys are gonna grill me for not picking enough Mets eighty one. Mookie was in Rookie.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It was this in Balezuela. Mookie Wilson at that. Point was John, John, you might be breaking up a little bit.

Okay, all right, well listen, it's your it's your pick now. So well, I don't know if he can hear me, but I'll let you I'll let you go. Okay. So my second pick, this is from the nineteen eighty one season.

I went with the nineteen eighty one Fleer card number three forty six of Harold Bains. Harold Bain's is Fleer Rookie. I love this card, not because of its value, but it just makes me laugh. This car is so plain.

He's it's the He's got the white warm up jersey on, the white pants, the pea green background, the pea green bench. This card is so vanilla, so plain, so forgettable, which makes it the perfect representation of Harold Bain. He gets a lot of flack as being the least one of the least worthy Hall of Famers, and it's probably true, but he was friends with Jerry Reinstorfin so you know they pushed him through. But this car just makes me chuckle every time that I see it.

You know, Flear, after so many years of trying and the court cases and everything else, they finally got the okay to go ahead and make baseball cards. Uh, and you know they had they tried their best, and this is what they came up with for Harold Beans. But it is a rookie card of a Hall of Famer. But man, that card is a could not be planner if they try.

Yeah. Yeah, it's funny, you know, even seeing the designs to this day, it's like, yikes, but you know that's part of the history of the hobby. They they took him a few years. They kind of figured out, uh, you know, card designs eventually, but like you said, pretty plain even even the uniform.

Uh, you don't seem the logo there, but uh, a Hall of Famer and uh, you know this is your pick, so I'm not gonna argue with it. You know, eighty one is not when you really look at the year itself, it's not a great rookie kind of card year for the rookie class. I know, Milk, I know Mookie's you know, gonna put a picture of me on his dartboard for not m Wilson. Rookies already kind of said that, but you know, it was a little bit of a tougher year to pick like the field was wide open, so you really can't you can't argue with any of the picks because they're just it was that kind of year.

You could have went so many different directions, right, So you know, it is, it is what it is. What it is there, all right, you get to go again with eighty two. Okay, eighty two, I'm going back to top. So I'm going with card number ninety Nolan Ryan nineteen ninety two.

No, sorry, nineteen eighty two is probably I'm not gonna say it's the worst because everything is subjective, right, but it is probably my my least favorite year overall of cards across the brands. But when you have this picture of the Ryan Express rearing back, just throwing gas, you know you can tell he's gonna throw about one hundred at somebody right now, you know, probably going to strike somebody out. I think this is a great image of Nolan Ryan. I love the colors.

You know, you've got that fantastic stick early eighties Houston uniform. You've got the orange cap, the cream. Yeah, you got Nolan Ryan. I just rad a fire.

You know. The Tops did a Tops tried. They did a really nice job of trying to match the colors of the card itself and the fonts to the team uniforms, and so for the effort and for the really fantastic photography that this, to me is the card I think of when I think of the eighty two set. I almost went with the eighty two tops traded Ozzie Smith his first his first card and a cardinal's uniform.

But I think we'll see Ozzie come up later. Yeah, and hang on, I'll get to a comment. Uh So, Brendon Ryan says, did anyone know the original of a rule of a regional who can't be? Pre Victor? I if it comes out to me, you know, and again at different errors, right, we only had one if it comes out in the same year as what the regular cards are rookies in my book, you know, not Victor's book, or I'm not sure what I will say. You know it's a rookie card.

Now, we didn't necessarily when we made this list, Dave, Just so everyone know, they don't necessarily being rookie cards are like a prerequisite. Now some of our picks are rookie cards that just comes with the territory, but they don't necessarily have to be. And obviously an eighty Tops Ryan is not as rookie, but a great card nonetheless. All right, So for me, and I've talked about this too in my content, you know, in eighty two, you know, you got to remember for me, I'm a New York City kid, Brooklyn, New York and in nineteen eighty two, and I somehow did not put or limits how many picks I can put up.

So I don't see this pick that I uploaded, but I'll talk about it just the same. I kind of cheated here, Dave. I didn't pick one card. But where I'm going with this grown up in Brooklyn with Tops in my backyard, I was a TOPS kid, and I really flearing donors.

Even though they were now out and releasing cards. Their designs were so bad that they didn't really register. I didn't open a ton of it. I don't want to say didn't register, but I didn't open a ton with a ton of it.

And I kind of stayed true to Tops. But it was in nineteen eighty two when these cards came out that made me turn my head and think about someone other than Tops. And that's the nineteen eighty two donors to Diamond Kings, the first iteration of the Diamond Kings with Dick Perez, and I didn't want to just pick one of them, so I'm gonna cheat and just say the whole series of eighty two donors Diamond Kings. That was the first time that ten year old me said, oh, there's something really other than tops that I kind of got caught my eye, and it was those Diamond Kings.

And I've talked to Dick and he's been on the show, and I told him that's story. It's not lip service, it's a true story. And you know, Shameless plugged it this Friday, Dick President and Mark Evans, the director of the new movie The Diamond King, will be my guest on the show. But it was that nineteen eighty two releases of those Diamond Kings in the eighty two down Ruth set that did it for me, that said, hey, there's something other than tops out here in the hobby, and I maybe should pay attention to other companies producing cards.

So I had thought I put the thing on the screen, but I think it limits what I can so I don't see it in my overlays. But that's such a great I'm so glad you picked Diamond Kings. That's the perfect selection. Yeah, And I didn't do that because they were on the show.

It's just coincidence, but the story is true like that. I really had blown off as the rug. But I really didn't take donroth Flear seriously that that first year. And it was those Diamond Kings that made me say, oh my god, look it's artwork of some of my favorite players, and and what is this something different we haven't seen ever? And that was that's what got me to consider other brands other than Tops, and so I went with I went with that.

Let me see my eighty three pick is up here? Yeah, I think so we It's like you said, same player, but I went with the eighty three Nolan Ryan. I could have went, you know, I thought saying you got at Sandberg Bogs, you know, rookie year. But the Ryan, you know, even eleven year old me knew. You know, how many seen Ryan was, you know, nowadays one hundred miles an hour from a picture.

While it's still impressive, not as impressive as it was in nineteen eighty three. He was really one of the few throwing that kind of gas and people were scared to get in in the box. And I just I remember this card because just the the intent on his face. He's he's he looks like he's kind of communicated with the catcher to get ready and he's about to rear back.

And of course still with those Astros uniforms with the the you know, multi color and the arm sleeve, and I mean even the inset photo Dave, like the little round photo in the bottom right, even Natty looks like he he wants to take your head off or on the inside of the plate. So, you know, as a young little leaguer at the time who was a pitcher at eleven, I wasn't thrown as obviously as hard as NOA. Ryan. I kind of wanted to, and this card kind of stood out.

I kind of you know, obviously Bog's rookie, Sandberg rookie year, you can't go wrong. But I didn't want to always just take rookie cards, so I want with the eighty three Ryan. So we did pick Ryan's. We just we skipped the year each, you know, we picked him in different years, So all right, it's you for eighty three.

Yeah. I SA also saw the comment Mook, I actually didn't pick Hi McGee card here, but I do have a Cardinal coming up here with eighty three and in nineteen eighty three with card number five forty, which is Ozzie Smith. This is Look how hard he's swinging, and you know he's probably just trying to get the ball out of the infield. If this is Ozzie Smith in the early it is not much power at all.

He has about seven home runs right over his first something like seven or eight seasons, but has that great early eighties pullover cardinal white pajama uniform. He's got the chains bouncing. He's just hit the ball the switch hitter. This time he's from It was at the left side.

He's following through. It's his first regular, non traded, not update card in a cardinal's uniform still has the birds on each end of the bat. Just a beautiful card. And you had the Nolan Ryan up before I have the Aussie Smith here.

I just want to take a moment to appreciate eighty three tops. I think that was the year they realized they were being pushed a little bit. Yeah, and they upped their game. Eighty was okay and had me had the Henderson which saved a lot of things, but eighty one was kind of Yeah.

An eighty two I mentioned, wasn't my personal favorite, but eighty three was the year that I took note of that. Again, Tops is doing something different. The colors were more vibrant. You could see it in the Aussie picture, exceed it in you Nolan Ryan.

They just you know, competition is a good thing, and you know Don Russen Fleer. They didn't really hit their stride until eighty four, but you can see Tops was being pushed and in eighty three they they up their game a little bit. I love that, Auntie. Yeah, that's a great point.

That was. I think that when I think, I don't want to speak for Tops, but I think internally like I think you nailed it, Dave. I think that was the year Tops said, hey, there's some new kids on the block. Their first couple releases didn't scare us, but it's time to get serious because they're not going away.

You know, it's like a fight and they're not knocked out and there's still trading blows and they're like, we better, we better train a little harder for this fight. So the eighty three reminds me, for you vintage guys like myself remind brought me back to the sixty three top with that circle inset. Well, they did it again in three and twenty three, so they bring it around their twenty Yeah. Yeah, and I liked I kind of like that.

So I'm a little fond of those circle insects as long as they're done right. So eighty three, uh, you know, was, like you said, compared to eighty one and eighty two tops. They kind of stepped up their game in eighty three. And while it's sort of similar to sixty three, you know, it's its own design as well, and it signaled like, hey, we better get serious here because there's a couple other companies and cards and pushing us to be better.

And so Ozzie Smith, that's a great inaction shot and of a Hall of Famer. You know, again, they don't have to be rookie cards. I think sometimes you appreciate it's easy. The rookie cards is sort of the low hanging through of the pick.

All right, let's go to eighty four. Well we'll make our picks for eighty four and then we'll open a pack, so you're up again with eighty four. Okay, so I wanted. I almost went.

I didn't go with but I wanted to go with the eighty four Fleer Glenn Hubbard just for the comedy effect of it. That's the one where he's got the bow constrict around his necks and something happened with the Philly fanatick in the background. He wouldn't sign that card for years, but now he's got a censured hum around. But instead I went with an update card.

I went with the nineteen eighty four Fleer Update U one O two of Pete Rose. Just yeah, it's just a great card. That's a great card. I'm to say one thing.

I'll tell the story after you. I'll let you speak. This set brings up bad, but not for a reason to think, but but go ahead this it's just weird seeing Pete in an Expos uniform exactly. That's exactly what what my notes were.

It looks so weird. I like that. That's how I remember Pete Rose hitting rights a little slap hit or a bunt right you think you can get on base. And he actually got his four thousandth hit while he was in an Expos uniform before he went back to the Reds to finish his career.

But I love eighty four Fleer. I think I found. We didn't have a whole lot of it at the seven eleven by our house where we would ride our bikes, but found I think, found one cello or cello pack, whatever you call it, and you know, got a few cards, nothing special out of it. But I really loved the design and between the design and this was Fleer's arrival in eighty four, right, this is where they announced themselves as being a legit player plus him were in the expo's uniform, being in such a memorable pose.

That's why I went, yeah, this is a great card. Well, it's weird seeing him in exposed uniform again. The history there he got the four thousand and you know it set brings back bad memories for me. Not so much in eighty four, but I had this set and obviously it's a great set.

Clemens and Pucket first cards. When in my store years, I think it was around ninety three, I had this set in the back of the store and I had a silent we had I had a partner in my store and we had another guy wasn't necessary partner, but we had him where he would take some of our stuff and he would sell it at shows that he was going to and that sort of thing. So he was allowed access to the back of the store and I had my eighty four foot update set back there. David.

One day, I said, Man, you know, I'm gonna check out the stars in the set. And when I opened my set to look at the card the star cards, they were gone. And it wound up being I'll make this story shorter than it actually is, it wound up being this other gentleman who had taken him out. Of course he denied it, but it was me and my partner in the store full time.

He didn't do it, and so I found out it was him later on. For sure. I was pretty sure it was when it when when I discovered it, and it was kind of confirmed later on. So it's kind of on my to get list again to add back to my PC.

But it just brings up it just brings up at a great set, but brings up a bad memory from my store days. Uh, if you will so, uh, But I won't argue that Pete Rose is a great card and there really is no bad Pete Rose cards. When you when you think about it, you know, I know he's you know, rest in peace and you know all the betting on baseball and a little bit of the arrogance, But you can't argue the greatness of a player that, you know. I definitely that way that that one.

It's funny when I was writing some candidates down that was that made the list that less for eighty four was a long one too, so you could have went in all sorts of different directions. I went with this one. I know I've talked about this card before. You know, people will follow my content.

Know, I got a thing for you know, big face cards, rookies or even not. This is not a rookie, this is a second year. But the eighty four donors Tony Quinn Again I apologize for de Claire, but yeah, it is in this set. Like when you think about the three eighty one, eighty three Donorus releases before eighty four, they were bad.

They were bad, and so you didn't expect much from them. In eighty four, I mean we had the Diamond Kings. Look, the Diamond King kind of became more of the driving force behind doners than the design because the designs of the base cards were poor. It was the diamond kings that were saving the set.

Eighty four was the first time in my book that the donner stood alone besides the diamond kings. That this design, and to this day, I think this is one of the best looking cards. It holds up. Here we are forty one years later, Dave, and this design still holds up well to me.

And even the backs right when we forget about the backs, but that teal blue with the white stat box back, you know, think about the eighties, we just had that gray kind of cardboard stock or that sort of dull pink cardboard. This was really one of the first kind of dual colored backs. And I went broke open. I've said this many times.

I went broke open a lot of different eighties packs, but eighty four down was real, like I was stealing money to try to open it. I'm kidding. I don't want to be because klepto at twelve years old. But I was like, you're doing fine, Yeah I was, But I was doing all, Hey, you know, my grandpa, can I do you know when you need anything done? Can I make a few bucks? I was really, you know, scripting to the eighty four donors made me.

It made me broke in that card. Obviously the manly the man in Lee was really what I was chasing. But it was manly in Gwenn anytime I could if like, I didn't hit a manly, but I hit a Gwinn. I was okay with that.

So get some of the comments here and then we'll get well, how just says get the video, like, hey everyone, Brendan Ryan says, eighty four Donors is in my heart, great man and great sets of the eighty four Donors to this day. You know, when we talk about my favorite design, it's still it's still right there for him forty one years later, and I love it, so, you know, and I get that Tony Gwen. I don't know how many I've got. That's one of them, but probably doubled.

And you know, anytime I'm at a show and I see one and it's cheap, I buy them. I don't need it. I just love it. And it's one of those cards.

It's not expensive, you know, it's not You're not buying it because it's going up. It's just I love the card enough, like you can't have too many, so I always pick them up, all right, Dave, so uh I'm gonna I'm gonna open eighty seven first. Uh here, let me see this one was always tricky when I've done this a prior to episodes. But I'll try to get it as bad.

So eighty seventh Fleer obviously, you know Bonds is probably the big car. We all remember that, right, the old team sticker with the team back. We got the Orioles on the on the full back, and the White Sox and the Twins. There.

Good, I'll try to I'll go through them. Royalley Jackson, Melhall from Port Byron, New York. Hall a local hero until he got into some trouble. That's again generously.

Yeah. Yeah, Tim Wallach, there we go. Really good player. I think he had two thousand hits in it.

Yeah. Yeah, he's underrated. Rookie card Ralph Bryant and Jose Gonzales, Bob Starter, Rick Manning another underrated pictures not a Hall of Famer, but he was. He was good back in the day.

Dave Steve from the Blue Jays. Oh, Dave Steve, one of the hardest. Lettres of the eighties. Yeah, he was.

I used to play in micro league baseball, which was a precursor too. Yeah. I remember that, and Dave. Steve was always one of the first pitchers off.

Yeah yeah, Marianna Duncan the Dodgers. Yeah, Eric Plunk the other side of the eighty six Fleer Rookie with Conseco in eighty seven. There's a mat short stop held it down for a few years. Kevin Elster, she's gonna kill me for sannas.

But my wife had a crush on him when she was a child. There you go, Well listen, you can. It could be worse. Angel Angel Salas are Gary Pettis, Yeah, Spanky before the you know the pirates here with the cards.

Michael Yeah, part of the Tony penetrade that brought the painted of the Cardinals. Yeah. Uh. Not a lot of star power here, but that's all right.

Mike Brown down the home stretch here, Dave, Darren Dahland, Philly's legend. Oh yeah, Raylingford once near the capitated him at a home plate collision. They were back when you back when you could do that, Mark Thurman and finishing up. This was not a great eighty seven Flear pack as far as what you want to pull.

But ron Rennicky, who had a long time people don't realize how longness to play major league. Based broadcaster, didn't. I think so. I think so, not positive, but believe so.

So there was my eighty seventh Flear pack. Nothing the right home about ut fun still fun to go back and open a pack that's thirty seven years old. All right, your your turn. Here's mine.

And and by sheer coincidence, we didn't plan this, but my first pack is also eighty seven flair. I think, listen, if this is pack wars, you don't have much. The bar is really low to beat my pack here. Okay, so I'll rip it and all this my lightning is okay, I'll just hold up one at a time.

Okay. First sticker Detroit Tigers, Well stickers with on the back. I thought this guy was going to be fantastic, but he was fine. Bruce ruffin Philly's pitcher.

This guy ended up having a kid that was a pretty good player. He's got Ken, Griffy. Yeah, I think you're won right there. I think think it has won.

I got Ken. Oh no, now I won. Now I won USA Olympic eighty four Team stud of all studs. Odob McDowell.

I love you know. I had a I had a. I watched them. For whatever reason, I watched a lot of a ranger.

I always liked Odin. I don't know if it was the name or just the style of play to. Be up next Hall of Fame nickname oil canboyd. Yeah, Dennis and he was how he wasn't more injured than he was just with his thin frame.

You know who reminds me of him today? For the Indian's Trysted, the modern day Dennis oil Can. Okay, I'm definitely winning this packwards by the way, up next Hall of Famer, Jim Rice. Here you go. Yeah, I'm I'm You're four or five cards in and I'm crushed up.

Another Hall of Famer, Tony Gwynn. Yeah. Yeah, that that did for sure. Another great card you're gonna find now I realize how bad my eighty seventh Flair pack really was.

I knew it was, but that was that. Was so about an hour after we go off the air. Today you can find my e Bay store and I'll be putting all these up. Neil Allen.

Okay, so Neil Allen. You don't know Neil Neil Allen Saint Louis Cardinal, but he was in the trade that sent Keith Hernandez to the Mets the Cardinals. He played on quite a bit of teams. Yeah.

In return, the Cardinals got Neil Allen and Rick owenby Otis Nixon, who would go on to have a pretty good career with the Braves. Yeah. He was to Ronnique sorry, Juan Beniquez. Good utility guy.

Outfielder. Rick Mayler, yeah he was. He was in Atlanta for a while. You could hear the photographer saying, Okay, Rick, don't move, I'm going a picture of you looking bored.

Just will move. Chris Brown good outfielder for a while. Yeah. Yeah, he and Chilie Davis combined for a pretty couple of good years together in the same outfield.

Ken Herbeck, Yeah, a lot of braves not braves are Braves fans. Not a fan of his. Dan Petree Pitcher. Yep, I remember him.

He was. He wasn't too bad. For no memory of Barry Jones, but I love the old Pirates hat. Yeah, the three line like Paintnur's cap.

They'd be sure he got his his jersey never in there. Nice and prominent. Jim Travor two more. Oh yeah, he had some moonshots.

Yeah, Yeah, Matt Young had some good years as a pitcher, reliable innings either and finishing up with the third Hall of Famer. Out of this pack. Smith there you go, Yeah that pack man. My pack was really I think my pack was resealed.

That's how bad my pack was. I think someone resealed by eighty seven pack. Hey, Ruben, you got it right on your talkboard. Will not be late one hundred times that you're punished.

So, uh what we got a comment about Dan Petrie had a son who aged played in the played a few seasons. Depends I know that fun fast there you go, not know that he is all right? So I think you're up for eighty five and then I jumped to eighty five, eighty six finish. Okay, let me let me pull up my eighty five pick. You find it, make sure I got it.

Some of them? Oh yeah, this card again, it's not always about dollar signs. He could have won a whole different way. Eighty five donors again. You know, those two years of donors eighty four and eighty five day for me were really a sweet spot for donors and me and took a lot of my money out of my young thirteen year old and twelve year old wallet and eighty five Donors is a great set.

Again that I'm a fan of the design. You have to obviously the Pucket and Clemens Rookie amongst other Eric Davis for sure. But again at this point I had started, I became a Mets fan, but you know, i'd like I given up my Yankee fandom. Steinbrenner was ruining it for me.

People have heard that story a million times, rehash it. But I had moved over to being a Mets fan, but I would still a Don Maddenly fan. Well, I wasn't a Yankee fan, per se. I had a thing in my heart for Don Manly, for the way you play hard nose.

Quiet didn't do a lot of trash talk. And if you remember the eighty four season, him and this another hall of famer. Manley's not a Hall of Famer, but him in a Hall of Famer and Dave Dave Winfield had a batting title race that to this day is still kind of talked about, and went down to the final game and Manly had to go four four for five to win the eighty four batting crown. And so when I opened eighty five Doners.

This card really had a centimal sentimental place in my heart. It's the Dave Winfield and Died Manningly two for the title card. Not an insert or parallel or anything like that. It was a base card.

But you know, had I followed that race intently, and you know, two great players, one Hall of Famer one we should be in it. That is it. That's a whole show in itself. But you know, again not a crazy at the time.

I think this card was more expensive in eighty five than it might be today because people love this card then. But obviously it's come down in price. But this was a card I didn't mind getting. If I didn't get that Pucket or the other big cards in there, I didn't mind when this was in in that pack.

So eighty five Donars and I didn't go to that last game in eighty four day, but I know I showed you before we kind of went live. I do have a ticket stub from that last Yankees game. I believe it's versus the Tigers. Yeah, versus Tigers, and Manly went four for five to win the batting title.

So this is on my list to get kind of PSA graded ticket wise I just haven't done it. Yeah, I did not attend the game. I just had acquired the tickets. I want to be you know, full transparent.

Twelve year old me was not there, but twelve year old me watched the game from my living room. So have the ticket stub to someone who was in in the stadium watching watching the game. So, uh, probably a little bit of a weird one. Not a weird one, but kind of different there with that pick.

But I tried to I didn't. I tried not to be chalk all the time, and so that one definitely probably not chalk. Yeah, I definitely went chalk with my eighty five card. So for my eighty five, the nineteen eighty five was the first year I went crazy buying cards.

I mean I was always collecting them as I could with a lot once money. But as I started mowing long and having my own income, that was around eighty five, And I can remember my parents looking at me like I would get back from seven eleven and they would say, you bought more, and I did, and it was eighty five tops. I liked eighty five don rest, but we couldn't get a lot of those in Saint Louis and five three was just okay, But eighty five Tops was the one and the and it was the hunt for card number six, which was Dwight Goodin's you know. Yeah, and and at this point that was at this point I was a Mets fan.

Yeah, and I love this card and I love pulling this card, and but I like the eighty five Donors design better. So, like, you know, I whenever cards came out, I I tried to open them all day, but I always opened more of whatever design I thought one, you know what I mean in my mind, and to each their own, right, So Donors beat, and I do like the eighty five Tops, and I don't get me wrong, I opened plenty of it, but the Donorus I probably opened a little bit more. But yeah, I'm not gonna as a Mets fan, you know, and anyone that knows you don't have to be a Mets fan to remember when he first came up, he was just lights out and dominating. And uh, you know, any base, any collector, you didn't have to be a Mets fan.

You were happy if you pulled this card. Oh this was the card, right, I mean, this this was the card any kid had the chance to pull and I think I pulled you know, two, three or four of them. It was. It was wonderful just to fan.

Beautiful card, good memory. Yeah, no doubt. And you know it's funny even seeing the design again. I really I don't know if I gave eighty five tops maybe a fair shake.

I think I fell in love with with with the Don Russ and and didn't even like give it a fair shot. But eighty five, you know, even the eighty five Flair set wasn't wasn't too badly designed. That wasn't a bad design year overall across the three companies that were producing cards at at that time. Yeah, all right, who's is it your turn again? I'm losing my parent.

This is this is my back end of my snake picket. So eighty six, this guy was a rookie card, and this guy had Rookie cards in a few different sets for this year, and I went with an updates that is the eighty six Flair Update U fourteen of Barry Bonds. And I'll tell you why I like this card. It's love this card.

I know that if you were an investor type person, that you would want to get the eighty six Tiffany Tops traded, right. But I look at this card and I think, okay, so the frame is modern, but the photo itself this could have this could be a nineteen fifty seven Tops card. The way this image looks, it's just a throwback image of what was then a modern player and it's you know, you have the pullover jersey, the batting practice jersey. He's got the wristbands on that that great yellow helmet with the black bill.

This is my favorite Barry Bonds Rookie card. It's the only PSA ten that I own is this car because I just wanted to have it centered and clean. And you know, the eighty six is Tops is fine. The eighty six Don Russ.

The Rookies not my favorite design, but this one just seems like the timeless Barry Bonds. Yeah, no doubt. And you know, regards what you think. You know what I hate to say it that one of the first things I think and I see this car is like, look how skinny he was? Yeah, I know, Like listen, I'm just gonna be honest, but let's.

Well before he started really exercising and hitting the weights and just eating lots of protein. Yeah, working out hard. Listen. I've said this, I don't like people whose performance enhancing, but Barry Bondes was a Hall of Famer before hgh that you know, I got to give credit where credit's due.

I don't know. I don't think very few people can can argue that. It's kind of sad that he went that route because that's kind of the first thing we think of. And this is kind of an under the radar card.

Like you said, everyone thinks about the eighty six tops traded and the Tiffany version of it, and this card to have it in a ten, dave this card looking you look at the color. I know it's not black borders, but these borders chip too, like just because they're not black, you know, So to get a ten in this probably not I don't have the pop reform for me. But still a nice card, and listen, regardless of the history, Barry bonds was a great player that you can't maybe not a great guy, but a great player. And I won't argue with this card my mind.

I really felt guilty. Figure out you break it up pretty good there again, body cheepers. I don't know what's going on. I don't know.

Bad audio today but so this card, I really felt guilty picking, but I almost felt like I had to because this thing was you know, in eighty six, people were like trying to kill each other to get this card. And now fourteen years old, I'm starting to amass my collection and this card was kind of big. And I'm not a Kinseko fan, So don't take me picking this card as an endorsement that I'm in the holes they Canseco fan club. But if you were collecting in eighty six, you know I could just over up the name in the rated Rookie Love and you still know what this card is.

That you could cover up the design and you just see this card and that like just barely on their mustache, Edie was rocking, right. This this card is classic. It is iconic. I know, you know, we tried to not necessarily pick just iconic cards.

Has been shocked, but this just card in eighty six, even more than the bonds, really Conseko was sort of getting more buzz at that point and this card was just a big deal. And again, this design, I liked it more in eighty six than I kind of do now. But that eighty four, eighty five and eighty six dollars. Design wise, weren't too bad so for me, and I was just starting to I did my first show a year later, and so this was a card and I was kind of just trying to get to sort of get ready to be a dealer at fifteen years because that might sound even all these Yes, maybe.

Maybe can you maybe try taking the cart off the screen and then see if that's better? Yeah? How about now? Yeah? All right, well let's listen. Can you try taking the off the screen? See if that helps? Yeah? I did, I did. I might be froze. All right, we lost Dave.

I don't know. Maybe it's I don't know if it's me or Dave. Those out there listening, is it is my sound bad to you too? I'll get to all right, I just I just says I. Unfortunately, it might be Dave.

Here, let's bring it back, all right? How did it saying it's front? It might be? Yeah? All right, well that's all right. Great shame. No, Well, that's the thing. I usually I can tell sometimes when my wire my internet's back because the bars will be at top, like kind of warning.

So I didn't see that, so I'm like, oh, it must be I I'm not gonna lie. I thought it might be the glasses doing run interference. So but all right now I'm is it me coming back down? Yes? You for eighty seven? All right, so eighty seven. Well we both I'll let the cat out of the bank.

We we both picked the same card here, so let me put it on this and we can both tend to chime in. And this to this day, people still love this card. It's one of those type of cards. And two sport player great in both sports, just you know, injuries took took their toll.

But again, this is a card. You know, even thirty seven years later, it's not crazy money. But the minute I seem to get one in my inventory at my shows, they don't last long. And that's the eighty seven bo Jackson Rady rookie, And I'll keep my spiel short and sweet, hear David, let you take over.

But just a classic shot. Looks like he's just following through on throwing the ball, Like you see the muscles, you know, Jane out of his arm sleeves, like you could tell by looking at this guy, like you didn't want to mess with bow, you know, and just an incredible talent and you know, definitely like a guy you paid to see play. And that's football too, but in this case we're talking about baseball cards. So eighty seven, you know, rated rookie again, eighty seven dollars.

Not my favorite, but not I didn't dislike it either, but just a great card of Bo Jackson. But kind of you're insight here. We picked the same cards, so. We did, and you mentioned some of the things.

The first, Sorry about the signal thing. For whatever reason, it's fixed now. But my computer was connecting through my hotspot on my phone instead of the Wi Fi. But it's better now.

It's happened to me too, so oh good god. Look at this. This is the way athletes look today when they've gone through like cross it and all this intense training. This is not how an athlete was sposed to look at nineteen eighty seven.

He was he was an elevated human physically, right, you know. But plus the way he's throwing the ball, it almost looks like he's just having a catch out there in the outfield, the field of dreams. He looks so young. Just a wonderful car to have the iconic rated rookie symbol was there as well, it's it's my favorite image by far, and they stowed that.

From raged Rabbi. I know. I don't think spin Rag got a single big royalty out. Of it either.

Yeah. Look, you know the one thing I never really thought about it until, like Bo Jackson, he didn't smile a lot, even like he'd hit a home run. He wasn't a big smiler. I read his biography was a great book, and he talked about his struggles with stuttering.

And he was actually a pretty shy guy and that kind of guy. So even when he made a great play, whether it be defensively or offensively, he wasn't very de Montra. I was probably more to Montra on the football field even then. Uh, he just he just went about his business and and kind of was kind of low key.

But you also knew how great he was and how strong he was. I mean, I think at the time when he struck out, he just broke the bat over his knee. If you ever, if you're familiar with would bats and have used him as I have. I tried to do that once like an idiot, right, I'm sure I didn't even put like a crack in it that to do and snap it like literally like a toothpick, just tells you how strong of a dude he was.

And just the intensity, right, he just struck out and he just broke the bat, like that's not working for me to try and get with a new bet a few innings later. But just an incredible talent. And I just you know, when I think of bo Jackson, I think of that, that that intensity, and then I think of, you know what could have been had he you know, not gotten hurt that he did, or you know what if he even concentrated on one sport. You know what if he had just stayed with football or just baseball, you know, and you know, you could have still got hurt.

I'm not saying that would have been the answer, but I think we wouldn't have looked at him as the legend he still is for not being a Hall of Famer in the NFL or the Major League. We almost feel like he is like until you say he's not, Like until you say he's not in those Hall of Fames, you don't really think about that, just because he could have been based on the talent. So, yeah, eighty seven Bawl that was that was the only one we both picked the same and probably good reason for that. So I think it's it's you on on eighty eight.

Coming back for eighty eight. When this set came out, I didn't know what it was, and I would read I had a subscription to Beckett just like so many others, but I wasn't plugged in. I wasn't a dealer. Obviously was a teenager.

But it's from the eighty eight Score set, which was the first score set card number six forty five. Greg Jeffrey, there we go. You mentioned creamsicle earlier for the Asos uniform. That's that's what I thought of with this card.

So his his eighty eight Flear and Donras cards were pretty similar in that they were just sort of these profile picks, but this was one that was actually was using the field. That looks like this might be a spring training shot. I'm not sure it could be. It could be.

That's when a lot of these pictures were taken. But when you have that plus the uh, just that bright orange border that nobody had ever seen anything like before it and it didn't really catch on, Like you know, when Score came out, it was a novelty and then you know, it wasn't until they rebranded to Pinnacle around what's in ninety three to ninety four that they kind of found that stride a little bit. But when I think of eighty eight, it was there wasn't a whole lot that stood out, and so I went with the brand and then I went with the player as well. That we were all hunting at that point.

You know, Mark Grace probably was one of the better rookies for that year in hindsight, but Greg Jeffries was. That's why this card. He was the cover boy. He was on the cover of back edds, he was on the cover of other like just sports magazines.

Like he was like the the great White Hypes to speak. And I tell you, as a sixteen year old kaid Greg and as a Mets fan Greg Jefferies, people will listen to my stuff. No, my fondness for Greg Jefferies. I told you had three to this day, I had three binders of Greg Jefferies rookies in my garage.

My wife tried me to have me throw them out and I couldn't make myself do it. It hurt and they're still there on the shelf collecting dust day. But I can't throw them out I can't that just that brings back too much nostalgia. And you know, we talked kind of about this before we went live.

Look at his like final numbers, Like I'm not saying Greg Jeffries hall of Famer, far far from it, but his numbers might surprise you to how how good they actually are and what kind of career he had. The problem was, and we talked about this, Dave, was the hype that that hype was so massive that there was just no way he could live up to it. It was impossibles. Yeah, he never could lived up to that.

It's there's nothing he could have done, short of having a Mantle like career for him to fulfill the sort of hype that was heaved upon him. Yeah, no doubt. It was just that the billing was too big. Eighty eight score was man still to this day, was, you know, really but ugly.

They had a lot of the purple, the maroon, like you could see him from a mile away, as plain Jane. The backs were better looking than the fronts. A lot of errors, though, I will say that one of the scores what saved that sort of set was all the errors. And in eighty nine there were some more errors.

Some of them have had to be intentional. Paul Gibson card comes to mind that they used that photo with the runner at second grabbing his crutch and so not a great release. And listen, I don't know if Ruben's still watching, but I usually say Greg Jeffries once for an episode. It wasn't me this time, Ruben, it was all.

It was all I gave. So he took one. He took one for the team. I didn't have to h to do it.

And the first card I ever the first time I attended a national, The first time I ever attended national. The first card I bought was at a trade night because I got there later in the day so the show was closed. I went straight to a trade night. It was an eighty nine tops.

Greg Jefferies that some some guy just had to sit. That's a great card. That's a great card. Shoot about And Tony's right.

TJ is online is right. That card should have been out in eighty eight, not eighty nine. Tops. Missed the book.

Yeah yeah. Uh. Stuke says uh that he was in the American Legion World series Fargo. In nineteen eighty three, Roger Maris came to town the event, and you know Tony's gonna go with Steve Jelts is a great eighty eight score card.

It's a great eighty eight score Greg Steve Jeltz card for sure. And so Ruben, I'm off the hook. I did not start the Greg Jeffries stuff. It was Dave's fault.

So you can't, you can't. You can't grill me. John asked me to do it, and I'm kidding, well. I'm honestly I almost picked it for my eighty nine card, but I didn't do it.

One last comment about this Greg Jefferies was he was a great contact hitter and like he had a routine where he swung a bat underwater to increase bat speed. And at sixteen, I was playing high school baseball and I went into my high school swimming pool and was swinging a wood bat underwater and the Jim Key you're not the baseball coach came in and said, basically, what the hell are you doing, newman? And I had to explain to him I was trying to increase bat speed and He's like, I don't think this is a good idea. I can't let you do it, and he made me get out of the pool with the bat. So there you go.

That'll be the last Greg Jeffrees story I will tell at least tonight, if you will. But I was trying to be Greg Jeffries at sixteen years old in nineteen ninety eight, so or eighty eight, they should say, all right, this time we got one more pack to open. I opened first last time didn't do me any good. I got the worst eighty seven flearpack in the history of eighty seven Flear pack.

So I will let you do the honors on our last packs here. Okay, I'm really excited to share this pack with your audience, which is just terrific. I won this, did they? When they had what they call it National Baseball Cura Day or whatever you know a while back? Mycs had raffle. Everybody put their name a hat or signed up.

And I won this and I was waiting for a fun time to open it. I was going to bring it to the National But when you have invited me onto the show in want of open packs, I thought this is the perfect time to do it. I have never opened a pack of this before. I've bought some singles, but I've never had a pack.

So I'm about to open a pack of nineteen eighty four Don. Russ baseball, right, so that the pack the series that ten cards. Mattally there is the dream Gwyn would be great. Ricky Anderson cards are also.

I love the Henderson card out of this as well. This Ryan Sambrick has a nice card. M Gee, of. Course, would be a fantastic one.

You really can't go wrong with this. Maybe a Joe Carter or Sid Fernandez rated rod. I will say this, if you pull a Tony Gwinn, you gotta let me buy it from you. All right, sounds good, sounds good.

I like a four hundred twelve percent of comps. I'm wishing you psa ten manly. Okay, So I'm gonna open this now. First one, all right, well, first we have the puzzle.

Duke Snyder was the puzzle of this year. Of course. All right, here we go. I save that wrapper first.

Andre Thornton, Yeah, apparently the name of the night. Dan Petree, I'm gonna go for the whole. Dan doing the p s a Dan Peache. I don't know if anyone else is doing it, but you got the market.

Dave Beard, ironically without a beard, got a beard, Mark Hill, I love eighty four dollars hit. Let's appreciate the back here of the card. The full name Mark Kevin Hill, Oh Warren Warren Brewster Brustar is never quite sure how to pronounce his name. Oh here's a guy, pure eighties guy, Lenn Barker.

Yeah he was. Solid. He's solid. Mike Torres, I laughing because I just thought, what the next card is.

It's not a good one. It's a funny one. It's fine. It's fine.

Hall of Famer. And I deserved this from making fun of him earlier in the night. Harold Baines. There you go.

But you know, I didn't realize so like there's a lot of close facial that that's maybe that's why. Besides this, yeah, fun fact about this Harold Bands card. He is smiling. Yeah, baby knows he's getting in the hall.

This was this was This was Harold Banes when he was excited and when he was sad. He his face never changed. Chet Lemon, Yeah he's another guy, little scrappy guy, still stole bases. He was pretty good, Tony.

I'm going to send you this Harold Bands as a birthday game. Bring it in the national and you can give it to him. Another guy. You think you pulled him in your eighty seven pack.

Gary Pettis, Yeah, man, he's everywhere. He is, all right. Alan Banister, solid player. Yeah, I love to see on that old Cleveland helmet.

I remember him as a tech color. Odel Jones Texas Rangers. Yeah, I think we're. Striking out here on ex conception.

Ye oh, I spoke to one. This onement as bad as my Well you got Harold Bains. I just got another Hall of Famer here, Cal Ripken. Yeah, that's a great nicely centered too.

There you go. Here's a candidate. It's a candidate. There we go.

And lastly, solid solid pitcher, number of your Steve Rogers good player. Yeah he's uh, he's I think he had over two hundred win played. He played a while. He was like the ace there for many so.

Yeah, yeah, so totally worth it, just for the cow. Put that up one more time you go. There you go, that is a that is a nice car. All right.

So my last pack, different year, but a little a year later, eighty five donors. Maybe maybe I should hold it right set up. Maybe I'll pull that card that made my list that madly. That would be cool.

I'm not gonna lie if I pull that card. I haven't pulled that card since eighty five, somewhere in that range. That would be cool. Puzzle piece.

Uh, I forgot, I think or no, Lou Garrick Garrick, all right, let's see again, love the eighty five Donors. A'lbumer, longtime Orio, Larry Gurra, longtime royal. There's a cardinal. Ricky Horton, he's.

The broadcaster for them. Man, Yeah, Diamond King, we got Willie Upshaw, Astro, Terry Poole. There we go, Tiger legend, Lou Whittaker, Oh, sweet Lou, there we go. Any mcgaffagin, Red's pitcher, one of my favorite baseball names.

But the immature part of me will come out with this guy. But it does it to me every time. Russy cutts. It's my prerogative to pull of Bobby Brown, eighty five donor's car.

There's another cardinal. It's the cardinal pitching pack. Dave speaking of Dave Fellow, Dave, Dave LaPoint I remember this guy, Joe Cowley. Yeah, all right, I don't know if Mookie's still here there it is eighty five Donors.

Mookie Wilson. Yes, all right now, I think it was pulled early in one of the other packs, but I'm not sure really. O Lopez, this was another guy who you don't realize how great he was or good. He was bass stealer, leadoff man, had some pop.

Brett Butler, Brett Butler was never mind. I was going to say a trivia question, but I was wrong. Never mind, cut this. Party, that's all right.

And Ozzie Virgil, he was a guy here I saw at Syracuse. He back end of his career when he was trying to hang on. He's in the Blue Jays, and you'll played some games here at Syracuse at Triple A. Not a great star power pack, but still love, Still love eighty five.

You beat me on both packs. That's not a great showing on my end packwise here, I think I gotta do my eighty eight because I see I still have the picture. I won't spend a lot of time. We're working a little over eighty eight.

Barry Bonds, I love, you know. I kind of when the eighty eight player first came out to design, I wasn't sure what to make of it, but it grew on me and I kind of like it. It's got that patriotic feel to it with the red, white and blue kind of the stripes kind of being broken off by the photo itself and then continue on the other side. And this card was just you know, a young Barry Bonds early in his career then smiling.

His hat size was a little smaller than it eventually became. But I got to take my shots when Sorry, Barry, He's probably gonna come to my house and eat me up. But so I just I found that eighty eight. Eighty eight was a tough year.

I think. I don't know if you agreed, Daved, it wasn't a great rookie class. You know Mark Grace. That's when you know it's not the best year.

Yeah, I wasn't like Mark Grace was a great hitter. I just wasn't. I don't want to say it wasn't on my radar. I knew about it, but I went with the eighty eight flear By.

We got one more car, one more year. I think it's it's my turn to go kind of the snake wise, I won't spend Listen, everyone knows about this card. I haven't kind of in person here, so I'll put it up. This card is still talked about to this day, the eighty nine Fleer Billy Ripkin f Face card.

You know, people still open eighty nine Flear to try to get this car. People still anytime this is one in my PC. But anytime I have it in my show inventory, it doesn't last very long. Even the other versions, Dave, even like the Saft cards and the black Box and the Black Scribble, they always people like those too.

It's just an just talked about card all these years later. Listen, Billy Ripkin was no cal Ripkin, but he's like he's probably talked about more than cal Ripkin in some respect just because of that card. So I know it's got a bad word on it, and I don't necessary I don't swear on my shows, but you know, you just my wife probably know you want you know, that's a good way to put it. I showed that to my wife and she and she doesn't follow the hobby, she almost knows about that card.

So in eighty nine, that was my first year. I started doing shows at seven, and so it was almost every you know, ten times a show, someone would come up to my table and say, you got the Billy Ripken You know. That's all I had to hear was you got the book, and I knew what they were gonna say, that's just a classic card. Yeah.

I went to a show. I went to a show in Des Moines sometime late last year, late fall, and someone had that Billy Ripping card, you know, graded in the PSA nine or something like that, and I saw the price. I thought it was way over priced, and I just rolled my eyes and I walked away. And they walked by again a half hour later and someone had bought it.

You know that that card is just it's eternal. I just go forever. Yeah, I mean even the wax. Now, it's like under normals.

I mean you get Griffy's in it too, a Griffy's Griffy's rookie year. But very few things could overshadow a Griffy Rookie, and that card did it. And somehow because of the obvious reasons, not the eighty nine up or deck Griffy, but out of like how many times did you see someone you know, open an eighty nine fleer cello and full full of Griffy and said, man, I didn't get the Billy ripkin, you know. So that's saying that's saying something.

So it's just an icon of card. Whether you like bad words or you don't, you know, made history. And then again people that brought that brought interest from people not even directly in the hobby, that brought some out interest. And it was really in my wheelhouse of me first starting doing shows at seven and so that was a card I tried to get as many as I could to sell because I knew I was gonna get asked do you have do you have it? The problem was anyone that had them didn't really want to sell theirs, so I had to open listen.

Eighty nine Fleer is not a great looking card, but I opened quite a bit to try to pull the Ripken and obviously Griffy in Sheffield and others as well. But the Ripken was like the coup a toad if you could get one of them, all right, enough for enough Ram went on about that card home. So yep, all right, so my last card, my last card is eighty nine upper Deck. But it is not the Griffy.

It is the other rookie I was. I just kept opening packs trying to get the Griffy, but instead I kept getting this other card over and over to the point that I think I had between ten and fifteen of them. And it's card number thirteen. It's the Upper Deck Gary Sheffield eighty nine.

And it didn't upload. It didn't upload because I don't get put too many pictures. But that's a classic card in its own right. Most people are familiar with it.

There's the Air two Yeah down upside down SS and. I became a fan of his because out of necessity with how many cards of his I was pulling. He lived up to the hype talent wise, but of course he bounced around a lot to different teams because of his personality and whatnot. But you know, he's on the Brewers.

I really like pictures of cards that have players sitting in the dugout, whether it's the fifty three Bowman Stand Musual or there's a nice stadium club variation of Otani sitting on the dugout, the twenty fourteen Mookie Bets variation, he's in the dugout. And then there's this one, this eighty nine Upper Deck Sheffield, which is just a lovely card. And of course the photography in that whole set was revolutionary at the time. I just finished reading Card Sharks, that mid nineties book about Upper Deck, so I think I have it on the brain a little bit.

But that's the card that I think of after the Griffy when I think of that set. Yeah, and I'm glad of an eighty nine Upper Deck card made the list. It is that was really kind of opened up that door to premium cards. Later on we got the ninety three Finest Baseball and took off kind of from there.

But eighty nine was, you know, the the hot first high price back if you will. Obviously the Griffy. You know that that that release brought people into the hobby. People don't.

I don't know. I think most people realize that, but people eighty nine Upper Deck people came in to chase the Griffy and other rookie cards, and that was a kind of an iconic release. So car of course they then reprinted the set, right, kept putting out. More and yeah, there's the Griffy.

Uh. Contrary to popular believe, the Griffy is a short print. There's only a limited amount out there, so get him getting I'm kidding for most people know I'm kidding, but just in case, but you know, as crazy as it sounds like for as many, uh, for as many Griffies as there are, still a very demand. Another card that when I'm setting up at shows, I just can't keep them stock, and even lower grade one I've sold even six and sevens, you know, and people still ditch a lot cheaper.

So it's a nice way to pick it up and have it. And so I always I never have that. Anytime someone says are you buying and I look at this stuff and they haven't, I always try to acquire it for the inventory. I mean I have some for myself.

There's one behind me here at PSA nine that my big body's blocking, but I always try to pick it up for my show inventory. Uh, we're gonna get one more commercial in here. Guys pay the bills here and then some final thoughts and again I appreciate Dave coming on and spending some time with us and the stone back in nostalgia, So hanging on one second. Him a long time card.

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So that's always important. So uh, there you go. Well, Dave, this was a lot of fun, and uh, you know, you beat me on both of the packs. If this was pack waters and it beat me, I think you slaughtered me is more like it.

It was. It's fun to go through the years and not only talk about the cards we picked, but the cards even we didn't pick that we you know, brought up in the discussion. It was real fun, and I think we'll have to maybe we'll have to do this again. Uh you know, a couple of months down the line, maybe we'll do nineties the nineties.

Addition, I think it'll get a little tougher too, even in the nineties. So uh but uh, you know a little. We're both a little older than and I was definitely in my heyday and my store days and show days. So but h I appreciate you coming on.

I know it's been a bit, but uh, you know, go check out The Shallow End. Davis keeps it real. I love it. It's it's not always about dollars, which I think sometimes some time show so I'm probably guilty of it myself.

Sometimes we talk about the dollar aspects, sometimes too much, but you don't do that right. It's about what collecting, what you enjoy, the stories behind the cards and the journey and acquiring some of those cards and look forward here. Well we're getting close to the national here a couple couple months away, so uh, man, one every day we're one day closer. So I wasn't sure it was going until until about three weeks ago date, but am I am going, so I'll see you there maybe well maybe we'll have to buy some packs together.

I try to get save some face and get get some redemption because it didn't happen today. But fun, it's still fun, right, just opening those packs when you haven't opened them and long and like your case, you never opened an eighty four. Dollars pect yeah, never never even sewing. Yeah yeah.

I was kind of living through you and just remembering, you know, for you forty years, that's how old I am, Dave, as I remember opening so well, Thanks again, Dave, and you know you're gonna be on with Jeremy Lead tomorrow, so check that out as well. And thanks everybody in the chat. We'll be back with this show in two weeks. So two weeks from today, we'll be back with this show and seamless plug.

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