Hobby Quick Hits Ep.171 Football Card HOF Preview w/ Ray,Bart & Scott

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SPEAKER 1: Hello, everyone. Welcome to episode 171 of Hobby Quick hits another sort of impromptu episode. But I wanted to get some guests on today's show. Today's show, I'll warn, you will be a little bit longer than what you traditionally expect on a Monday release of Hobby Quick. Its, I have three gentlemen joining me, Bart Scott and Ray from the Sports Card Hall Of Fame Network.

SPEAKER 1: And they're gonna be talking about the second annual Football Card Hall Of Fame Induction and you can still vote, go into the show notes and click on the link to vote for the 10 cards you should, you believe should be in the 2024 class and that's what this show is gonna be all about.

SPEAKER 1: They're gonna join me s shortly here and we're gonna talk about, we're gonna mention all 45 cards and then talk about, you know, 16 to 18 of them, specifically, in the process, these guys do their due diligence. They're very dedicated to this. So, we get the fun part. We get to vote. And that's, that's the easy part.

SPEAKER 1: So we're gonna break it down, on today's show again a little bit longer. We're gonna cut out the news and the release portion of this episode to keep it even a little bit shorter than it could have been. So, we're gonna get right into, the interviews, and conversation right after we hear from our great sponsor Sports Card shop.

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SPEAKER 1: All right, good morning everyone. A special edition of Hobby Quick. It's our Monday podcast that, usually is audio only and comes out obviously, as I said on Mondays, but we're doing a live Sunday morning special edition today. This will also air, you may be listening to this on Monday morning.

SPEAKER 1: We, but we did, we're doing this live today Sunday and joined by three great guys Ray from Philly, Scott from Scotty tradition and Bart's Cards from the Sports Card Hall Of Fame Network. And this, we did this last year on Sports Car Nation side of the house with their first annual Football Card Hall Of Fame Induction.

SPEAKER 1: And obviously that would make this the second annual Hall Of Fame Card induction 45 cards for you guys to, to vote on for this year's class. And I'm gonna, I'll kick it up morning everybody. I'll kick it over to Ray to kind of you know, intro what you guys are doing and how it works in the process where to go. Obviously to vote on your favorite cards for, for this year's class.

SPEAKER 4: Well, thanks John, thanks for having us on again this year.

SPEAKER 4: We myself and Victor, the rookie card specialists and Mike this baseball card life. We started the Sports Card Hall Of Fame Network a few years ago, with the intentions of having a, a Sports Card Hall Of Fame for each sport. And we started with just the baseball card Hall Of Fame a few years back.

SPEAKER 4: And last year we finally got started on the second sport and, we brought in, Scott of Scott's Cards, Scott of Scotty tradition of Bart of Bart's Cards, to, lead the way as the commissioners for the Football Card Hall Of Fame. And last year was a, a big success. We had a nice, really nice turnout for people voting for the first year.

SPEAKER 4: So we're hoping, to keep this thing going and let it grow and bring in other sports and eventually basketball and hockey and so forth. So, yeah, Scott and Bart did a fabulous job last year with picking cards, to be on the ballot and this year, it's gonna be another fun year. So I'm looking forward to, seeing everyone's reactions and seeing a big turnout this year.

SPEAKER 1: Like I said, last year, guys, this is, is, you know, people probably think this is easier than it, than it looks. You guys probably make it look more seamless, you know, like any sort of Hall Of Fame induction, right?

SPEAKER 1: You've got to narrow down a list where you could probably, you make 100 card list if, if you, if you wanted to or, or needed to or had to and now you have 45 and, you know, only 10 are, are getting in with that being said too.

SPEAKER 1: I, I wanna name the 10 that are in from last year's induction.

SPEAKER 1: But in order by year. 1933 Sport Kings, Jim Thorpe, 1933 Sports Kings Red Grange, 1935 National Chico Bronco Nury.

SPEAKER 1: The 57 tops. Bart starr. 57 tops. Unit 58 tops, Jim Brown, 65 tops. Joe Namath, 1976 tops, Walter Payton in 1981 tops Montana in 1986 tops. Jerry Rice. So that's the inaugural class will forever will forever be in. But I don't know if you guys, there's 45 cards on the ballot.

SPEAKER 1: We're gonna, we're gonna put graphics and talk about some more in depth, but in fairness to all 45 cards, if someone wants to just read them kind of in the manner I did with the 10 that are in just the 45 up for in potential induction if you wanna just kinda just to be fair to all 45 if you want to, I don't know who wants to do it, but kind of go through those.

SPEAKER 4: Well, let's see. I, I guess Bart or Scott will probably lead the way in that.

SPEAKER 4: I think Bart said he's lost. Sound.

SPEAKER 1: Ok.

SPEAKER 1: All right. Let me, I'll, I'll read them. I got them here. Again and, and I believe these are by the year 1888 and 162 Goodwins champion Harry Beacher, 35 Chico Clark Henkel, 35 Chicle Newt Rothney. 48 Bowman, Kenny Washington, 48 Leaf Bobby lane, 48 Leaf Chuck Bear.

SPEAKER 1: 48 Leaf Jimmy Baugh. 48 leaps. Sid Luckman. 50 Bowman, Elroy, crazy legs. Hirsch. 50 Bowman. Otto Graham. 50 Bowman Y A tittle. 50 tops Felt backs. Joe Paterno. 51 Bowman Emly Tel, 51. Bowman Norm, Van Brocklin, 51. Bowman, Tom Landry, rookie 5152. Bowman, large Frank Gifford. A lot of these are rookies. I like say rookie.

SPEAKER 1: After everyone, 55 tops, all-American Don Hudson, 55 tops, all-American to four Horsemen, 55 tops, all-American, Jim Thorpe, 57 tops, Paul Horning, 62 tops, Ernie Davis, 62 tops, Fran Taton, 62 tops DCA 63 Fleer Len Dawson, 63 tops, Bob Lilly, 63 tops, Ray Nitschke, 66 Philadelphia Dick Bucket 66 Philadelphia Gale Sayers, 68 tops, Bob Greasy, 70 tops OJ Simpson, 71 tops Terry Bradshaw, 72 tops, Roger Staubach, 79 tops, Earl Campbell, 82 tops Lawrence Taylor from 84 tops, Marino and Elway from the 84 US FL set both Reggie White, Steve Young, 89 score Barry Sanders, the incredibly tough 1990 Pro Vince Lombardi Trophy hologram, the 90 score supplemental Emmett the 98 Sp authentic Peyton Manning, 2000, both 2000 playoff contenders and Sp authentic Tom Brady and last but not least, the 2017 Panini Prism, Patrick Mahome.

SPEAKER 1: So a pretty eclectic group from, from, o to, to Young there.

SPEAKER 1: And, it, it, you know, We'Ll bring Bart, I think he's, you. All right. Everything good back in the game. All right. All right.

SPEAKER 1: We'Ll talk a little bit about, obviously some of the cards on the ballot are ones that didn't get in, last year and then you have some new ones, talk about the process.

SPEAKER 1: And while I, like I said in the intro, guys, you make it look seamless. It's not as easy. As, as, as you make it, look, talk about the process and some of the difficulties, the, you know, with that and, and how much, how much are you hearing feedback from other people? Like, hey, this cards, you gotta have this on the ballot this year. You get a lot of that.

SPEAKER 1: Well, we started.

SPEAKER 5: Thinking it was gonna be 50 cards, for that inaugural class and then just with the back and forth of me and Scott, we realized we didn't want to water down the ballot too much and we didn't want to have. There were just certain cards that we didn't think should compete for the first ballot.

SPEAKER 5: And so we only kind of had 45 strong candidates that, we thought was that way. So kind of, that's how the, the, the number of the ballot is. And then, we just want to keep the ballot fresh. So, you know, bottom couple come and go out and then, 15 new ones come in to keep the ballot at 45. And so we kind of just, me and Scott went on our own. Hey, you come up with about 15 that you think.

SPEAKER 5: And then, and then we just got together and collaborated, I think about seven or eight of those were pretty easy. We either had them or, you know. Yeah, I agree with you on that one. And then, so it was just a little bit of hanging back and forth for the last couple to, you know, kind of round out the ballot and make some diversity, make sure it was, you know, kind of a appeal to a broad.

SPEAKER 1: Base of, of voters and I gotta meet my, my, Scott, how much, I, like, like Bart just said, some of them are kind of almost no brainers and then you have some of those where they can be some debate.

SPEAKER 1: I, I guess my question to you is how spirited, does that debate get at all? And is there, like, is there, let's put this card in this year and, and We'Ll, We'Ll revisit that. Is there sort of, you know, agreements or compromises along those kind of lines? Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER 6: There are, there's some definitely compromises we came up with, you know, two different lists of about 15 and, you know, there was some overlap but there was some others that we had not in common.

SPEAKER 6: And, I think that some of once we heard the other person's list, we were able to, for me there was some on Bart's list. I was like, oh, yeah, I, I hadn't considered that one and he may have Felt the same about my list and we eventually just arrived at 15.

SPEAKER 6: And there was also some that, last year we had comments on that people, you know, really Felt strongly about being on the list. The 1888 Beacher was one of those cards that we had definitely got comments on last year that that should have been included on the ballot.

SPEAKER 6: And so that was one of the reasons we had that one.

SPEAKER 6: Of course, there are two Davis, Ernie Davis. I got a few, at least one comment, but possibly a few to be on the list from last year as well. So that got included and we just made up a list of 15. We think they're all great cards and cards that probably eventually all make in into the Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I, I'm gonna stick up for you guys just to keep in mind, Joe dimaggio didn't get into the baseball Hall Of Fame till his third ballot and I, I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone will argue that he's a third ballot Hall Of Famer probably. Definitely. I don't know what happened there. Just timing and whoever was in, you know, in that class.

SPEAKER 1: So, but, so, you know, you, you miss things and, you know, 1888 we're talking, you know, 100 35 years ago with, with some quick math. So, you get a pass, you get a pass for me there. I'm not gonna beat you up on that. What I'd like to do guys, we're not gonna go through all, we, we mentioned all 45 cards.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not gonna put all the 45 cards, graphics. I just took some screenshots of some that I thought would be interesting dialogue. I'll put those on the screen. So in some cases, there are usually two cards in the one slide and we can kind of talk about them.

SPEAKER 1: You guys can interject any of your co your comments, what you thought maybe behind the scenes part of the process, how these cards made it if they return cards from last year and you wanna you know, mention that as well. So these are in no full disclosure. These are in no particular order. These will not be in order by year or anything like that. So, let me, let me put the first slide up here.

SPEAKER 1: And it's the two Tom Brady rookie cards. And the authentic playoff contenders, obviously iconic cards, even though they're of the more recent variety. But even then, you know, we, we forget how long to break these cards are now 24 years old or, or almost 24 years old. We think of them as sort of pretty new, but 24 years is a long time. I'm married 25.

SPEAKER 1: So I, I know exactly what a long time, is guys. And so, a lot of other people will at first thought was, oh, new car. You know, these are new, I guess they're new compared to some of the, the vintage ride. But, you know, Tom Brady's, been retired a couple of seasons now, thoughts here on Brady, I'm gonna pull the slide off the screen, and then we can kind of discuss, these cards.

SPEAKER 5: Well, I was never a fan obviously but, it's the goat and there's no question about it. And then as far as his hobby stature, it's, it's tremendous, especially for the modern football era.

SPEAKER 5: The 2000 contenders is, well, it's tough to see the auto, which, is, is tough.

SPEAKER 5: You know, contenders came out in 98 and Randy Moss and Peyton Manning kind of carried it.

SPEAKER 5: But they kind of just carried all the product of that year. And so contenders didn't really make his niche just yet. And then that 2000 contenders made it a, a set to stay and that we all, you know, look forward to each year and then the, the Sp authentic, nice and clean a high end product of its day and obviously still very expensive, and a number of product as well out of 2000.

SPEAKER 5: So, kind of need kind of a, you know, Chase issue based card and, and still tough to get, you know, the boxes cost you a couple of 100 bucks back then and now, you know, probably 100 couple 100 bucks for a pack. So, pretty cool cards. They put football on another atmosphere as far as the prices that get fetched for the, the hobby cards.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Scott, I'll ask you this question, or, or even Ray, whoever wants to answer it. How much, obviously those are, are two very expensive cards and a lot of these cards are gonna have value just because of their significance. How much does the value that one card may have over another one?

SPEAKER 1: How much does that come into play when, when coming down to that final, you know, candidate list?

SPEAKER 6: I think more, more than value on just the sort of hobby recognition of the card plays a big role. The Sp authentic card is, the card that the PS A set register users that Tom Brady's rookie card for almost every set. So that has a wide array of, likeability for a lot of collectors.

SPEAKER 6: And so that's why that one gets on the list. And then the auto card, certainly the value of that card in particular has a lot to do with why that card is on the list. It was really one of the first cards to fetch, six figures, in the football card world. So that's why that one gets on the list.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah. And I, I would argue that contenders card probably, you know, push the hobby to do things like grade auto separately and stuff like that because, you know, I could have had a beat up contenders.

SPEAKER 5: But if the auto is all the way on card, then I'm getting a, you know, a BGS seven with a 10 auto or a PS A seven with a 10 auto and that brought some validity to that type of grading too. So, a card like that can change a lot of things.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. All right guys. We'Ll go to the next, two cards here. One thing I wanna say, I've already cast my ballot. Full transparency and disclosure. I will try not to give away necessarily who I voted for.

SPEAKER 1: It'll probably go, you know, if you read, if you're good at reading between the lines, you probably could figure out here and there, maybe some of where my bo my ballot was cast. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to keep my cards close to the vest, pun intended there. But let's go to the, the next two cards for, for up for discussion again.

SPEAKER 1: These are no particular order. We have the, the 84 US FL set, with the Reggie, white and Steve Young, rookie cards. As, as, you know, it's their first appearance, on cardboard. I know they had, you know, tops cards later on, but anyone knows if you're looking for that first card.

SPEAKER 1: This is where it's at. You know, it's, it's a limited, brand, a limited release. And so you, you see a lot less of these, than you do of their first tops, counterparts.

SPEAKER 1: I know, I know, you know, Scott, you know, is probably, rooting for one, at least one of these cards, being AAA Packers fan. But you, any, any commentary with, with Us FL cards. And, I mean, these are two, obviously football Hall Of Famers and Reggie White, arguably one of the greatest defensive players in NFL history.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah. You know, it's just amazing. The US FL had some pretty great players there for a couple of years between like Reggie White, Steve Young, you know, Jim Kelly's of the world, there's others as well. And, you know, these cards are just kind of cool. They're like red, white and blue shape with the US FL.

SPEAKER 6: They're very tough for, for centering and tipping with the medi background. So finding them in good condition can be difficult and you know, Bart can probably speak more to the Young. But as far as the white goes, I just love that classic portrait pose.

SPEAKER 1: Just him. Yeah, my bad there too. I did, I, I did the whole white diatribe and, and there's Young. Both. I, I got a feeling I know you guys vote. I know, I know you, you voted for this, who voted for this card? At least two of you? So, but yeah, but, but go ahead Bart with, you know, take the other, the other card if you will. Well, I will.

SPEAKER 5: Give the caveat that neither Scotty or I, vote on the ballot. So we try not to go.

SPEAKER 1: All right. Well, you can always do it anonymously. I'll, I love it.

SPEAKER 5: They're kind of neat. They didn't come in packs, they came in a box. You know, so if you got the box, you got all of them. It's just whether they came in centered or anything like that and whether you worried about that back in 1984 as well.

SPEAKER 5: But 22 awesome players, you know, I'm partial to the Reggie White as far as the card goes itself and the, the caliber of player, you know, I'm a big fan of Steve Young. He'll get in maybe not this year, but in a year or two. Reggie, I push a little bit harder on that but, you know, just having showboats written across the front of that and stuff, just the, the names and everything like that.

SPEAKER 5: It just, you know, it's kind of an era that we don't want to forget, even though, you know, each year kind of slowly gets forgotten. So those cards kind of bring that.

SPEAKER 1: Back up and it's pretty neat. All right, guys, let me, let me pull up, the next, slide as we go through these, again, not in any kind of order. This is one card, a one card slide here, but a big one, the 17 Prism, Patrick Mahomes, rookie card.

SPEAKER 1: Obviously, he's actually playing, today. I call him, one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play and I know it's early yet, but that's, to me that's how good he is guys, I think, you know, Bar an injury or something catastrophic.

SPEAKER 1: I think when his career does end, he's gonna be right there with the Montana Brady and Mon, you know, guys like that where we, we, we can debate who's the greatest quarterback in NFL history, I think.

SPEAKER 1: There's a, a at least a few more rings probably in the future whether it happens this year. But eventually, and, again, a newer card, you're looking at a card that's not quite seven years old yet, but it's already iconic, already important.

SPEAKER 1: And he's got, you know, a pretty good amount of years left to play, right? And if what I think is gonna happen, happens, like I just said, with a few more Rings and records and, and that sort of thing, that card's gonna even become more in the forefront.

SPEAKER 1: Obviously, you said you guys can't vote. I actually forgot about that from last year. So my b there, do you think the, the age of this card only being seven years old, an active player? How do you think that will affect the voting or, or not necessarily?

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, I'm kind of intrigued myself. It, it is a, a really cool card and obviously Mahomes has got two Super rules under his belt already. And so he does have a lot of luster out there already. But if you look at last year's ballot, it was definitely slanted more towards, the great vintage cards. You know, none of the Brady cards got in last year.

SPEAKER 6: Even though those are just amazing cards in the hobby. So, I'm interested to see where this year or two goes and to see if a card like Mahomes gets some consideration. We definitely wanted to cast a wide net this for this ballot.

SPEAKER 6: So that's why you have the 1888 feature on there and then you have a card from 2017. Just to kind of capture all of it and if you're gonna have a modern card on there, Mahomes was the guy, in our opinion.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah. Abs, absolutely.

SPEAKER 5: We both thought, you know, it should be represented on the ballot but, you know, we would expect that there's a good number of cards that didn't get in that first year that, you know, still are, you know, in the front of the line as far as that one goes, you know, we joked, talking about it on a previous video.

SPEAKER 5: I don't see anybody, at least in our age circles, you know, voting, that Mahomes card in over a Dick bucks or something like that, you know, and there's a whole host of other good cards on there. But, it is a tremendous card from a tremendous player. But, you know, in the hobby itself, it's significant. We lost, you know, tops chrome in 2015, 2016.

SPEAKER 5: We had, you know, prisons, but then we also had, you know, things like Don Russ Optic coming out and, you know, who's gonna be the next, what was gonna be the next big set? And then I think that card and then his performance, with all the rookies being just actual Prism cards like this refractor Chase cards of earlier, just brought a whole lot of popularity and solidified Prism as the go to product.

SPEAKER 5: Now, as far as, you know, key for set registries or just the mo most recognized cards. So, both parts there, the player and, and the card, we'd love to see, you know, the voting there and see, you know, if the younger demographic is, is jumping in on that, this one because they may not recognize some of these older cards, like they would this one. So that's kind of a neat piece of seeing the results.

SPEAKER 1: Do you think? So, you mentioned with Brady, being on the ballot last year we not getting in? Do you think almost like, you know, a regular player hall of, they wrote, like, depending on who's on the ballot will kind of determine what year you might get in or not get in. Do you think with the Bra the two Brady, do you think Mahomes will have to wait till those two get in or? No? Not necessarily, not necessarily.

SPEAKER 5: I think one of he, he's gonna have to wait for one of the Brady to get in, I think.

SPEAKER 5: And there was a pretty big disparity between the contenders and the Sp authentic last year. We'Ll see how that turns up this year. But, I would say if I can't imagine anybody voting for the Mahomes and not voting for the Brady, at least on the same ballot.

SPEAKER 5: And, and so there, there should be some waiting there, but probably not a ton. They're both pretty strong cards of the modern era. I agree.

SPEAKER 1: All right guys, let's go. We'Ll, We'Ll, We'Ll kind of move briskly. We'Ll go to the, the next slide here. Two cards again.

SPEAKER 1: You know, most people just have to see these and they know what they are right from the 84 top set. Marino, in L A, rookie cards this set as, as most know, you guys know, classically off centered cards. So you, when, when, when you find a centered version of these, it's most likely in a plastic slab with a, on it and a high one and a high price dig, but I kind of cards 22 great players, right?

SPEAKER 1: You know, when we're, we're breaking down the, the players Elway has a ring. Marino got to the Super Bowl in his rookie season, didn't win it and then, you know, everyone kind of was a foregone conclusion. Oh, he'll be back. It never, it never happened.

SPEAKER 1: You know, people who like to look at rings to greatness will point to that.

SPEAKER 1: I still feel like Dan Marino is one of the greatest quarterbacks to play the game and we can, we could probably say the greatest quarterback to play the game who doesn't have a Super Bowl ring. But these cards are, are, are iconic and condition sensitive cards.

SPEAKER 1: I guess you can speak to these but how much does the fact that they're, they're traditionally off center plays into whether someone votes for him or not. I would probably say not much if at all. Do you trying to take the same line or not? Necessarily?

SPEAKER 6: I just think these are two iconic cards from the mid eighties, you know, where a lot of collectors were growing up in that, that 19 eighties time period.

SPEAKER 6: And they can think back to these football cards and there are two kind of franchise quarterbacks for their specific teams that kind of pull that scent. So that's, I think plays a bigger role than the centering itself. But, I don't know if you would agree with that part. But that's just my take on it.

SPEAKER 5: I, I think it's a little of both. I think if you were looking for these cards and you were searching for these cards, whether it was on ebay or when you were younger at shows and stuff before ebay was around.

SPEAKER 5: I think some of that Chase probably built up some popularity and some recognize you go looking for a card and you, you find the one you want immediately upon looking for it. Maybe it's probably not as popular for you, right? You didn't have the thrill of the Chase or the thrill of the hunt there.

SPEAKER 5: But with those two cards and many others, you know, if you were doing that, then how many you've seen and sifted through builds up some, you know, mental muscle memory there that probably in the long term, create some popularity so that, that should help the voting. But they are just two awesome players as well from a well designed set regardless of quality control there.

SPEAKER 5: So they do do get some recognition just based on that.

SPEAKER 4: That's a good set. I, there's other Hall Of Famers too. Isn't Dickerson in that set as well. How long, how long?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a great set. It's, it's piggybacking off. What? Bart is just too bad to QC that year for, for whatever reason.

SPEAKER 1: You know, maybe they, they, they went on strike too. But yeah, just every time, you know, as a dealer I'm set up and someone like, hey, you're buying and they hand me those cards and they're just traditionally so off center sometimes it's frustrating.

SPEAKER 1: So, all right guys, let's We'Ll go to the next slide here.

SPEAKER 1: Again, another iconic card. 1966 Philadelphia. Gail Sayers, rookie, you know, Gail Sayers, I, I know his career was a little shorter due to injuries but obvious Hall Of Famer, iconic player. I would be shocked if this card didn't get in here on on the second year. But you know, that's why, that's why the voting takes place. But what say you guys, yeah, I, I.

SPEAKER 5: Don't think it got the popularity we probably expected to last year.

SPEAKER 5: You know, whether that's the Bears Bears fans didn't show out or, you know, five years in the league just doesn't do it for some folks. I think the card itself is, is absolutely beautiful.

SPEAKER 5: Maybe you, you know, the player depicted as far as his, I, you know, obviously had tremendous impact as a Hall Of Famer, but comparatively to some other people's careers, but beautiful pose, beautiful color contrast with the Bears uniform, nice white boarded card in the sixties. So it's pretty cool. I'm a fan. I don't know if it gets into the second class though.

SPEAKER 6: I actually think it probably might get into the second class.

SPEAKER 6: We'Ll, We'Ll see it's just such an iconic pose. Whether it gets towards the middle or bottom of the list, I think it has a shot at least to get into this class. I guess We'Ll see funny.

SPEAKER 1: That is a great pose, you know, like the NBA logo is, is Jerry West and you know, the NFL is the shield, but if they ever wanted to use like a player silhouette, that would be a candidate. One of the, to me, one of the final candidates for that logo if the NFL ever did something like that. But yeah, I kinda, I'm, I'm kind of with it.

SPEAKER 1: It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, but I'd be, I'd be surprised too, Scott if, if this didn't get in this year. But, you know, that's why, that's why you have the voting to see what the majority say. And it, it'll be interesting to see what, how that turns out. All right.

SPEAKER 1: Next next slide here, two iconic cards for different for different reasons, the 89 score, Barry Sanders rookie and something, unfortunately, he never got to win or even play for the 1990 pro set Lombardi Trophy. I thought it was pretty funny. This kind of being on the same same slide, the Lions are hoping to, to change that this year.

SPEAKER 1: At the time of recording, We'Ll, We'Ll, We'Ll see if that plays out. But Barry Sanders, I always call him one of the most underrated players, even though he's revered. I, I sometimes think because he was playing pretty much parallel with Emmett, and Emmett breaking sort of the, the all-time Russian record. I thought he sort of didn't get the accolades.

SPEAKER 1: He also retired fairly Young as well. I think that didn't, you know, help him. But anyone that was a fan of football back then watched them play will not argue. The greatness of Barry and the pro set Lombardi Trophy card. I ordered a, I opened a lot of that product. I can tell you I never pulled that card and I'm trying to think, wreck my memory guys.

SPEAKER 1: I don't even think even in my store days and my dealer days, I don't think I've even ever owned a card. So very tough card to acquire, I'll get your thoughts on this. But I want to kind of start with the Lombardi Hologram card just because of how rare it actually is and short printed it is.

SPEAKER 1: Do you think that may even hurt its chances at induction? Like we all know the significance of the card? But there's probably people who will see that on the ballot, not everybody, but there'll be some people who see that card on the ballot and say, what is that? You know, probably younger people as, as well. Like what, what's it?

SPEAKER 1: They'll probably have to Google, you know, 1919 90 pro set Lombardi Trophy hologram to find out more about it. You know, I, I guess two prong question. Do you think that will hurt its chances at induction, at least for this year? And you know, might it not get in just because not enough people either own it or, or know about it?

SPEAKER 5: I don't know if we added it to the ballot expecting it to get in this year. But one, this was one that Scotty brought up on, on his list and I was like, oh, yeah, that's a good one to add.

SPEAKER 5: I just think it does a tremendous job and, and well rounding our ballot and then hopefully, you know, and this is part of the goal of the Sports Card Hall Of Fame Network and everything is to promote, you know, the, the hobby and get you aware of some things, remind you of some cards, whatever. So hopefully we build some momentum potentially for it.

SPEAKER 5: But I don't know if it'll, you know, show up on the ballot this year and race to the front. But it's, it's an awesome card. I opened a crap ton of 1990 pro set as a kid. I just didn't believe that this card existed because I had never seen it and because of the ballot and because, you know, Scotty reminded me of it and everything I, I bought this about a week ago in a PS A seven and I'm pretty excited about it.

SPEAKER 1: That's cool.

SPEAKER 1: I was not a kid. I was 18 in 1990. It was just as hard for an 18 year old kid if you will or Young adult to, like I said, I never pulled it. I don't remember ever even owning it as a dealer or during my shop day. So, congrats on, on the recent acquisition there you just don't see them that often.

SPEAKER 1: You know, Bart mentioned Scott that, that was your, your on your list that you brought to the table, talk a little bit about it. Like what may, what resonates, for you with, with that card.

SPEAKER 1: You know, it's.

SPEAKER 6: Just something different.

SPEAKER 6: You know, there's not a lot of cards with just a trophy on it that I can recall. And oddly enough, it's very hard to find. I think like there, I don't even think there's been like a PS A gem in 10 graded. So, like it's not that old, old of a card but it's very condition sensitive and 10,000 is not like a small number. I think that's the number that was inserted, but there was a lot of process.

SPEAKER 6: So that 10,000 number gets really diluted at the end of the day. So I just thought it was a good opportunity to kind of educate as well as put a unique card on there that it's got the trophy on it. So, I mean, I just think that's a cool potential card that might eventually get in. I don't think we're expecting it to be part mentioned, but kind of a unique card that we wanted to educate people on.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah, it was probably the of, you know, trying new things in the nineties, right? I don't think there was a hologram card before that.

SPEAKER 5: They, you know, upper deck had tiny little ones on the back of cards in 89 and stuff. But to have the full front of that card. That's why you see some surface issues and stuff and the grades are a little rough. But, yeah, I, I, it's, there was a trajectory into trying new things in the nineties as well. So it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I think it was the catalyst for upper deck eventually putting those team holograms, into their, their products. I think it, you know, that was the example that they said, hey, let's make some team one.

SPEAKER 1: I wonder how many people pulled that card and just thought, you know, it's a true, like how many are like when, regardless of how many they printed, how many like got thrown out or crumpled up or, you know, just tossed to the side and maybe sit somewhere and people don't even real, don't realize kind of what they're, they're sitting on, right. You know, it's kind of crazy when you, you think about the, the pro set.

SPEAKER 5: Checklists were huge and then there was, you know, random extra print runs that had extra cards and extra photos and there would be like, you know, card number 781 Alpha Bravo and Charlie, you know, like they had a bunch of different ones that would show up and errors and uncorrected errors.

SPEAKER 5: You didn't know what you were getting a lot of times and if you know, it was a cheaper product. So if you're a kid, absolutely, those types of things can happen even more so. Right. You're just looking for your favorite place, your favorite team.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And Pros set was really the first time. Really? It wasn't the first time, but the first time I really heard like the term master set cause with all these errors and variations, right? People were like, I gotta get one of every card, right?

SPEAKER 1: And so they're like, hey, I'm trying to do the pro set master set and get one of, of every different version variety, including the, the Lombardi Trophy card of the hologram card. So, that made pulling that master set together, the the degree of difficulty went up there.

SPEAKER 1: Guys, let's you know, I don't want to talk just about the Lombardi Trophy, but let's talk about the other guy on that slide, the 89 score, Barry, I, I, like I said, well, when I had to slide up, one of the greatest running backs ever to play the game, sort of like Marino, right? Viewed as like, hey, never, you know, one of the greatest as position, never to, to hold up to Lamb Trophy.

SPEAKER 1: I that card again that I'll be surprised that don't get in here, I think last year, you know, with the class it was on the outside looking in, you think this is the year for that card or you think it may even have to wait another year?

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, I think it may have to wait another year.

SPEAKER 6: I just think that there's a little bit of a slant towards more vintage cards getting in and I think it might be just a little too new. I do, I do like the card. It's a great portrait pose of Barry Sanders. And, he's just one of those mythical almost figures because he did leave so early. He just left us.

SPEAKER 6: He, he kind of pulled a George Costanza and went out on top and he left us wanting more. So, he has that little bit of mythical kind of nature to him. So, he, it's a great card and people definitely hold him in high regard, but whether it gets in this year, I, I think I would be surprised but I've been surprised before. So We'Ll see.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah, yeah, go ahead the cut line there.

SPEAKER 5: It's just, it's not a good pose, but everything else is awesome, right? Like Barry Sanders best running back I ever saw.

SPEAKER 5: You know, and Christian Mccaffrey read the led the league in rushing this year and Barry averaged that more than that for 10 consent years and then walked away and he and mccaffrey led it by a couple of 100 yards this year, which is just wild numbers. For what Barry Sanders would did 89 score. You know, we didn't have multiple sets through the eighties like baseball did.

SPEAKER 5: That was the first year we started seeing more and that was, that was the higher end product. So it was kind of a big deal colored borders and all those things. Wish they'd have picked a better picture. You know, if they have put his 90 tops, 89 tops picture on the 89 4, we might have a different ball game, but it is.

SPEAKER 1: I'm a sucker for a big club stops, especially in football because you, you know, a lot of times you don't, you know, they're wearing the helmet so much. So that doesn't bother me as much. Like I get it like, it's not like that.

SPEAKER 1: Can we just talk about the girl say 66? Philadelphia, right? And that great pose and that great shot. I like both. I guess it doesn't, it doesn't bother me as much, you know, as, as you would have liked to see a, a better pose, but I get it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 5: You just a little bit, it doesn't even if it's a portrait, like give me a little bit more of the jerseys, let me see some more Lions or stuff like that with that.

SPEAKER 1: I agree with that. Yeah, if you didn't know he played on the Lions, you would, you know, you wouldn't have known. Right. And so, yeah, I, I agree with you, that much and, you know, piggybacking off what Scott said, not only did he retire kind of early and he just went out of the limelight. He didn't do commercials.

SPEAKER 1: He wasn't appearing on like, pregame shows or, you know, he didn't get into the, the media, he just kind of disappeared. Like you said, that factored into the mystique, Scott there as well. Now we're seeing more of them again with sort of the resurgence of the Lions and, and, and I'm kind of like that, that it, you know, it, it took the resurgence of the Lions to, we get to see Barry again and he's ad.

SPEAKER 4: There's a documentary that just came out on Barry Sanders. That was fantastic. It's really good. He explains why he just, he literally just poofed, walked away.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm glad to see him back getting and, and, and sort of getting some of that deserved recognition even a little bit after the fact. And, he's, you know, while he's quiet and kind of shy guy, he's a f he's got a dry sense of humor too.

SPEAKER 1: So, it's, it's good to see him back and, and hopefully, we see more of them. I think he's just sort of got a lot of that sort of charisma about him. Because we don't get an over, you know, I love Peyton Manning but every, you know, you, you, you change the channel just 22, you go up twice, you're gonna see him on some, whether it be a commercial or some kind of show you see him and he's, he's hilarious too.

SPEAKER 1: You don't get that with Barry. So when you do see him, you sort of, appreciate the fact, that, that you do. All right, let's go to the next slide here, guys.

SPEAKER 1: We'Ll kind of move, kinda quickly. 79 tops. Earl Campbell Rookie, 82 tops, LT rookie, Earl Campbell, another running back that, you know, as a Steeler fan, believe me, I saw him, up close and personal and, and we probably have a few more rings if it wasn't, for Earl Campbell.

SPEAKER 1: And, just, a great player that I don't, I don't think again, injuries kind of cut his career, short of just his running style. He was just a, a bruiser would, would, wouldn't really avoid contact, would just go to run, run you over and carry you.

SPEAKER 1: You know, so he, he doesn't get enough credit for the running back. He was LT arguably, one of the best, defensive players of all time, some off the field issues as we all know about. I guess We'Ll start there.

SPEAKER 1: How much is the off the field stuff you think? You know, I know it does sometimes play in, in, in the p, you know, the Real Hall Of Fame, whether they get inducted. How much of it do you think it plays on the card side of the house or not.

SPEAKER 5: I would say it depends on the, off the field. I don't for LT, you know, a little, recreational activity when he was younger, probably doesn't hurt him quite as much, you know, we kind of want our, you know, defensive people a little crazy and stuff like that.

SPEAKER 5: But, when he goes a little too far, potentially with like OJ Simpson, it's gonna hurt him significantly. So, but everybody kind of reads those differently, but it depends on the transgression off the field for sure.

SPEAKER 6: I agree with that.

SPEAKER 1: And, and again, you know, I wanna just touch on her like that card eventually will probably get in. I I don't know about you guys. I don't want to speak for you, but I, I'd be shocked if it got in with this year's class but much like sort of him as a player.

SPEAKER 1: A lot of people don't know how great he was. I think, same thing card wise here. So I'm glad to see it on your guys' ballot, but I'd be surprised if it was one of the 10 cards that, that does get in, but it's, it's, I'm glad it's getting the recognition to be on the ballot. Whether it gets in or not, We'Ll, We'Ll, We'Ll have to wait and find, find out there. All right, next slide guys.

SPEAKER 1: And one of these guys, I, I'm very familiar with the, the 71 tops, Bradshaw rookie and as forementioned, the 70 tops, OJ Simpson rookie, these guys, you know, are definitely characters.

SPEAKER 1: You know, Bradshaw is still in the limelight while doing pregame and, and in-game studio, analytics, just, just to ca you know, that's the first word that comes even as a Steeler fan, just a character. Right. He laughs at himself, we laugh at him sometimes he screws up names and teams and, and highlights. But four Super Bowl rings, right.

SPEAKER 1: OJ Simpson, we don't have to, you know, we know all about what happened off the field and, and again, I don't know I mean, two iconic cards for, for various reasons guys. Do you know I'll just would I, I won't even ask a line of credit, just some of your thoughts on these two particular cards? Well, I think.

SPEAKER 6: Bradshaw obviously was the leader of those Steelers teams as you know, John.

SPEAKER 6: I mean, how could you not put that card on there? Right.

SPEAKER 6: The Steelers have a great fan base in particular. So I'm kind of curious putting the question back to you. Is there any other card that's as desirable for a Steelers fan from that time period?

SPEAKER 1: Other than I'm a mean Joe Green guy like me, Joe Green is my guy, believe it or not. I'm not a huge, if we're being, this might sound sacrilegious like II I and he was Super Bowl MVP. A couple of times. Got the four rings. Probably wouldn't have got those without him. I'm not like an over the top Bradshaw guy.

SPEAKER 1: Just you look at some of the stats. I mean, he had some rough seasons too where through a lot of picks, it was a different game. So in, in fairness, it was a different game, than it is today. But me and Joe Green for me was my guy. So I would answer that, would mean Joe Jack Lambert, just firing Brimstone, is another one on, on many Steeler fans cardless, you know, to get a Lambert, rookie.

SPEAKER 1: But you can't argue with, with the, the resume, right? Like we just said four rings Super Bowl MVP kind of a, you know, just a AAA happy guy, like laugh at himself. And at other people not shy, makes some comments, you know, he, he's been critical of Mike Tomlin called him a cheerleader and not, not the greatest coaches man.

SPEAKER 1: So II I almost app whether even if I agree with him or don't agree with him, I appreciate that. He doesn't give that down the line vanilla, opinion he'll say what's on his mind. So I, I appreciate him. I think I appreciate them more. Now guys post career than I did watching them as a, as a Young kid.

SPEAKER 1: And, and that sort of thing. But mean, Joe, for me, it was me, Joe Green.

SPEAKER 6: So what you're saying, John then, in true Steelers fan fashion, you kind of talking back to some of the defensive greats a little bit more than the offensive players.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I mean, for me the, one of the reasons I'm a Steeler fan was Domingo Co commercial and that kid was my same age at the same time and we had a resemblance to each other and I, so I sort of because of that commercial, I'm a New York City kid. So it was sacrilegious, you know, you either be a Giants or Jets fan and you know, that commercial came out when I was five or six.

SPEAKER 1: I didn't want to be a Giants and Jets fan. So that was my, my craft to jump on and, and, and become a Steeler fan. Yes, they were successful in starting to build that, that dynasty at that time, but I also stayed on during those rough eighties too. So anyone that think, well, you know, you got on when the getting is good.

SPEAKER 1: I didn't jump ship in the eighties when they were one of the worst franchises in the league, but me and Joe Green, Jack Lambert, the receivers stalwart Swan, you know, I always sort of put them in my, in my rankings ahead of Bradshaw. Some other people say you're, you're crazy John, but to each to their own right, but you can't argue with the hardware. All right guys, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER 5: But they were on the 71 tops, right? The the card stock itself. You know, it's kind of for the set, you know, not white borders after a couple of years of those.

SPEAKER 5: And obviously in his picture there, he's got the golden locks flowing. So it is a pretty recognizable one.

SPEAKER 5: 70 tops is not necessarily too appealing, but you had the OJ on there, but I'm a big fan of, of O J's career, you know, and that light blue jersey, he wears a 1970. I don't really like the set, but then I come across that, that card and I'm like, oh, all right. Maybe the set's not so bad.

SPEAKER 5: But 2000 yards in a 14 game season is pretty legitimate. He was a monster, but we, we lose sight of that because we, we try not to bring attention to him. The media doesn't bring attention to him nowadays. So you don't remember all of those, the great things he did and then the Bills just didn't win a whole heck of a lot back then either.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's the thing about, you know, the, the, the after career stuff with OJ. That's the first thing you're gonna think of now. Right. I think everybody, even people, even Young people probably know more about the, the criminal stuff than, than OJ, the football player, you know. And that's, that's the, the tragic part, of that, going to the next slide here, two cards from the same set, 62 tops, Fran Taton and Mike Dick.

SPEAKER 1: You know, another guy, Tarkenton's another player that's probably doesn't get, he really was the first in my mind, one of the first guys to really kind of make scrambling quarterback, a thing and Mike Dick, you know, just all you gotta do say DCA, right?

SPEAKER 1: And he gets, it gets some sort of, of reaction or a thought will, will enter somebody's mind and this is a, a great set again with the black, a lot of the black coloring and you know, condition sensitive set and, and cards.

SPEAKER 1: And so, you know, I, I'd be, you know, Dick, what do you, what do you think of the odds, you know, given as someone who doesn't vote, you know, what do you think of the odds of one or both of these cards may be getting in?

SPEAKER 6: Maybe, I think that, it's gonna be on the border of maybe next year's vote or this year or towards the bottom of this year, I would think.

SPEAKER 6: Obviously they both have some appeal dia to bear fans is synonymous with that team.

SPEAKER 6: And just a 62 set in general is just such a cool set. It's not just those two cards. You could have put the 62 units on there, which is also a popular card or the Jim Brown from that year. Obviously, there's the Ernie Davis as well that we haven't talked about yet, but just a great that tough borders. You have the action shot black and white on one side, the portrait shot on the other side.

SPEAKER 6: It's very condition sensitive. So, but yeah, both of those players are synonymous with their particular teams. T him with the Vikings and dip with the Bears and I don't, I would guess they're not going to make it this year. That's just my guess, but I think they're on the border of this year and next year kind of making it in.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah, I agree. I think that because top of Fran a little bit, he carries the 62 set. He's the, the kind of the headliner now.

SPEAKER 5: 62 set does, you know, deserve a lot of recognition, but I think he's kind of at the the cut off line. I don't think he's gonna quite make it probably. But that's one of those cards and one of those players where the voting will really come down to the affinities of that voter, right? We have some icons that, you know, just didn't quite make it, in the first year 10 could get in.

SPEAKER 5: So, you know, you know, people are always gonna have that's just a super recognizable card. But then you're gonna get into pulling the heartstrings on what you're a fan of and stuff. You could be a Bears fan and maybe Dick could get a chance you're Packers or something else fan and maybe not so much. Right. So We'Ll see.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, and you know, it's funny older guys like we are remember Dick a little bit more as as a player than some younger folks that just thought he was a fiery Chicago Bears coaching legend. Yeah, he was a Hall Of Famer before he ever even coach his first game in the NFL.

SPEAKER 1: But a lot of people don't even realize what kind of player he was before he and became a coach. And so that to me that even makes that card even more iconic when, when you have a, a person that could get in just as a coach and get in just as a player and they were great at both.

SPEAKER 1: You don't, you don't always see that that's not very common in, in not just football but in a lot of sports, I mean, you look at even baseball managers, most, most really great baseball man, managers were terrible players here. You have a great player and a great coach.

SPEAKER 1: And then he became, you know, an analyst and it was pretty good at that very opinionated and animated and, and said, what was out of his mind? So, you, you know, in a way he could have been a three time Hall Of Famer, he could have probably got in the media, and might get in the media Hall Of Fame too. So he's definitely moved the meter kind of a guy.

SPEAKER 1: And, like I said, with Carrington, he was one of those quarterbacks that, kind of overshadowed by his contemporaries and doesn't get, I think enough credit. But it might have to might that card might have to wait like, like Scott said, another year but you segued to it. I don't have a graphic cause I have the card right here, but you mentioned it.

SPEAKER 1: I will tell you this. Th this is the one card I will omit out of the 10 that I did, vote for. It's the 62 Ernie Davis, rookie and never played, never wound up playing in the NFL.

SPEAKER 1: You know, if you get a chance, watch the movie The Express, but I'll give it a cliff notes version for those that don't know the, the Ernie Da Davis backstory, first, first pick overall by the Brown and I already had Jim Brown, who recruited Ernie Davis to Syracuse where he had an all-American career.

SPEAKER 1: So that was gonna be, that was all set to be a two headed backfield, monster. And, and unfortunately, tragedy struck when, Ernie, was diagnosed with leukemia, fought hard, un, unfortunately, succumbed to the illness and never, played a, a down of NFL football, the, the foot the field here in Syracuse, the dome is, is called Ernie Davis Legends Field.

SPEAKER 1: And so, for, for those of us here locally in Syracuse, he's in icon and a legend and you know that, you know, we talked about heartstrings, Bart for me, you know, I voted for this card. I'm gonna politic a little bit. I think everyone should vote for this, this card. But it's an iconic, it's a sad story.

SPEAKER 1: I if you learn about Ernie Davis, he was a great, a great Young man that was taken too soon and it would have been just interesting what could have been right with Jim Brown and Ernie Davis in the same background, think about potentially, you know, I, I say the card is iconic now, unfortunately, for tragic reasons, this card could have been iconic for, for that reason and, and, and unfortunately, We'Ll, We'Ll never know that, right?

SPEAKER 1: We can only think about it. So this one's my sentiment, gets my, my vote. Sentimentally heartstrings. Like, like Barne pointed out. I don't know, I hope it gets in from, for those reasons. I, you know, if I'm, if I'm betting, I, I don't know if this is, will be the year, but I'm doing my part to try to make it, make it happen. Your thoughts, guys. Thanks.

SPEAKER 1: That's a cool thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't wanna make the whole show, you know, the day. But if you don't know about him already, learn about the, not just the player he was, but the, the person he took, you know, he took some racial abuse here in Syracuse during his time here.

SPEAKER 1: And you know, turn the other cheek as they say and, and you know, now that now that every su player that plays here, plays on Ernie Davis Legends Field, Jim Brown's Legends Field, it's Ernie Davis Legends Field.

SPEAKER 1: And Jim Brown came to that inauguration of the field and said that it should be Jim Brown himself said this field should be Ernie Davis Legends Field and have no problem with it not being Jim Brown. So that's the biggest endorsement You're gonna get and both of those guys are unfortunately now gone as, as well. So, all right. Let's go on to the next slide, guys.

SPEAKER 1: One card here, 1963 Fleer Len Dawson rookie. Nice to see Fleer, you know, cards getting a little love another quarterback that I think when you look at the, the body of work doesn't get probably the recognition that he does II I love the iconic picture of him on, on the bench smoking a cigarette during the game.

SPEAKER 1: But this guy was a great a great player then went on to do inside the NFL. Many people probably even just know him, from that side, of, of the fence. But, yeah, no, it's a one card here on this side. I'll have you, you know, guys, anything you want to add here.

SPEAKER 4: I love this card. I love that car. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah, again, 63 fear, a FL issue.

SPEAKER 5: We had another one on the ball last year all worth, but he got bounced in and on the bottom spot. We were kind of surprised by that.

SPEAKER 5: So, we, we, our right as commissioners to introduce it again at that in the future year.

SPEAKER 5: Beautiful card, you know, I guess, you know, he just doesn't quite get the love as a player sometimes, you know, the the sixties and early seventies statistically for quarterbacks was very sloppy and, and, but, you know, he still produced the wins and still was, you know, ahead of his peers at the time. Hence the Hall Of Fame induction, right?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt we gotta lend Dawson. Let's go from, from the chat room. So maybe that we, you know, We'Ll, We'Ll vote.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, We'Ll see. Do you think being a clear card guys? I wanna, you know, we, you know, do you think being a fla card hurts, hurts that, cards chances or, or not, maybe that's a little overstated.

SPEAKER 6: I, I don't necessarily think so. I think that that card is pretty held in pretty high regard by especially Chiefs fans early, a FL collectors, that kind of stuff. So, I don't think the fact that it's a flare card in particular, hurts it.

SPEAKER 6: But that's just, that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah, it's not the flare. It's just, we know through, you know, paying attention to the hobby and the sport itself. A FL just doesn't quite get the love that the NFL did at the time. And so the card is probably gonna, the votes are probably gonna suffer a little for that, but Great card. Great issued chip.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Comment here. From Ray, right. Remember watching them? Yeah. And with Nick Bonanni. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah, I remember when Bonne, I remember, when that was the, what the best incarnation of that show. I know it's, it's went on from there but that was, to me that was the, the original and, and the best version, I have, I have more slides or being uncooperative guy.

SPEAKER 1: So this is the last slide I'll have, I wanna mention some of the cards from the slides that won't upload for me for whatever stream yards being, being mean to me. So, this will be the last slide but won't, We'Ll have some other cards. We, we can, toss around but, let's put this up there.

SPEAKER 1: The 1955 cops, all American, the Don Hudson rookie in the Four Horsemen card, which is a short print there, short prints. I was shot one of the surprises I believe from last year for me was that the four Horsemen cart didn't get in. I know, you know, first year it's gonna be the toughest to get in because you no one's in yet and there's so many iconic cards.

SPEAKER 1: But that card is, is pretty iconic. I thought it would maybe crack the top 10. It, it didn't.

SPEAKER 1: So I guess my question to you is this the year for the the Horseman card?

SPEAKER 6: To be honest, I, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a couple of cards from that 55 tops all American step that made it in this year because I think that Jim Thorpe is still out there. There's another one there who, you know, I kind of card in it. Own right? So I won't be surprised if any of these made it in this year or early in next year's ballot.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah, I think if we were doing a Hall Of Fame for football sets, you know, 55 all Americans get on that first ballot.

SPEAKER 5: I, I just think with the Four Horsemen you kind of have to be a little bit more into the football, you gotta be a little bit more of a historian of, of the football game, to give it the appreciation.

SPEAKER 5: I just don't see it, you know, garnering as many votes as maybe some of us purists think it, it, it should get, you know, because I think that Hudson, you know, should get in first. I should think the, the Thorpe from 55 should get in there as well. So the fourth man might have to wait a little bit but an awesome card nonetheless.

SPEAKER 1: One of my favorite sets, in terms of design and, and look, and it's funny when someone brings like car that they're trying to sell to whether it be to my table or via phone call or text message and these are in it. Even some of the lesser players, I try to get them.

SPEAKER 1: I've even, you know, toyed with, I'm not a set guy anymore guys like a collector wise. And every once in a while, the thought pops in my mind about putting that set together. I've never done it. I probably won't, cause, my wallet talks myself, my, my head out of doing it.

SPEAKER 1: But it's one of my favorite, aesthetically pleasing sets to, to look at, the Thorpe card is they're all great cards that you mentioned. I thought Thorpe even had a chance, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Do you, without, you know, there's, there's a few cards on the ballot here from that set. Are you expecting at least one of them to, to, to get in this year or would you, would you be surprised if none of them got in?

SPEAKER 6: I think The Thorpe was pretty close last year. I think it was just outside the top 10. I think it was maybe number 11 or 12. So that one I would expect for sure to make a run this year to get in the other two. Maybe towards, but maybe towards the bottom of the list.

SPEAKER 5: I'd like, I'd like to see Hudson get in as well. I think he's as far as a player, you know, in the NFL, I think he's definitely, you know, top 20 which is what we're doing. 11 through 20 basically. Right.

SPEAKER 5: And I love 55 all American, so I'd love to see it get in as well if it doesn't, you know, it's gonna be pretty high on the list next year, for sure.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. All right. So, like I said, my slides, they're not letting me, you know, they let me put up, the, I think what, 11 and and I have 16. I'll, I'll mention the cards that are on the slide that it won't let me upload.

SPEAKER 1: We'Ll kind of go through these kind of in rapid fashion. The next slide I had would have been the 1950 tops Felt back. Joe Paterno during his Brown days, as a player, as someone who does shows who attend shows, you rarely see this item.

SPEAKER 1: At least I've, I in my travels, I have, I can count on one hand and probably on just a couple of fingers. How many times I've actually seen this card or, or, pennant if you will in person.

SPEAKER 1: Just kind of any thoughts on this.

SPEAKER 6: It's a tiny card. It's only 7/8 of an inch by like one and 716 or something like that. So it's very tiny, very condition sensitive.

SPEAKER 6: It has the, the Brown tenant on the back like where he went to college and I think the combined P SAS GC population is something more around 100 or so on this card, maybe a little bit more, but it's not super, available like you mentioned, but it is, a card of a basically a college football legend and of course he kind of, you know, towards the end of his career, fell out of bluster a little bit with some controversy as well.

SPEAKER 6: Well, which may have hurt that card a little bit as far as the value goes. But that's ever since I first got into the football side of the hobby that's been a card that's kind of been rever revered by long time collectors just because it's so hard to find and certainly in decent condition.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah. And it's kind of a neat set too. Right. We, we were excited to add this one to show some diversity in the hobby as well as opposed to just your traditional, you know, this is a vintage tops card of this year type of thing.

SPEAKER 5: So, the Felt backs and everything like that pretty neat. And then, you know, Joe Paterno, most winning coach in, in NCAA, all the awards, two time national champ. Pretty big deal. So it was, we were very excited to add this to the ballot.

SPEAKER 1: He no doubt, like I said, you, you don't see these, it's iconic, for that reason alone and you factor in the legend that is paternal regardless of, of not the pu the other stuff, but what he did as a, as a coach, at the college level is, you know, speaks for itself. So, the next slide would have been, the 1935 tickles, the Rodney in the 1948 Bowman, Kenny Washington.

SPEAKER 1: I'm familiar probably with Kenny Washington more than most just because of the connection with Jackie Robinson. I'm a huge Jackie Robinson guy. Not enough people. Know about, Kenny Washington. Glad to see him. Make, this list, for card induction. Roney, is obviously more known when you mentioned both of these, you know, people's names.

SPEAKER 1: Your, your thoughts on, on, on both of these, cards. Well, I, I.

SPEAKER 6: Think that Kenny Washington, we just wanted to add just again to educate and to, not as you mentioned, not a lot of people I heard of him, but he did play baseball with Jackie Robinson once upon a time, UCL A and he was a great player there.

SPEAKER 6: An all American at UCL A ended up not being able to go to the NFL right of the way right away after he graduated college because there was a, I believe it was a 12 year ban on African American players. And then, Kenny Washington was the first to reintegrate into the NFL back in 1946.

SPEAKER 6: So, very important card that number 13 is retired by UCL A. By that time, unfortunately, his knees were pretty shot from playing in that other league and, and playing through college. So he only played, I think it was three years or maybe it was four, something like that in the Pros.

SPEAKER 6: But still, one of those players that is just, more so than anything. This Hall Of Fame is a collection of stories. So you get people like Kenny Washington, Ernie Davis, like you mentioned earlier, they just have such great stories that, that's why they're in consideration for This Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 5: Yeah. Well, well said, you know, Canton is a, you know, a museum of the story of football, right? And so we're kind of hoping for, you know, the votes year after year to build up a, a collection that, that kind of does the same for the football card hobby.

SPEAKER 5: Kenny Washington means a lot. 48 Bowman is kind of a neat set as well. Kind of a cool picture. He was also rated better as, than Jackie Robinson who was on the team with him. So, he was a pretty, pretty legitimate baseball player.

SPEAKER 5: You know, we could have gone with his 48 leaf. I thought his and we both kind of agreed his 48 Bowman was a little bit more iconic.

SPEAKER 5: Although the color of 48 leaf is pretty cool as well and then the New Rocky, it's hard not to know that name, if you're a football fan at all because, you know, they still talk about it. Some Saturdays and, football casts and stuff like that.

SPEAKER 5: But, it is along the lines of that full Horseman a little bit too is, you know, you got to be able to reach back in the history of football and your memory banks and stuff and and so if you haven't lived through some of those things, it may not be quite as near and dear to you as some of the other cards.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, my next slide, like I said, I, I apologize. They're not uploading so, but I also did not wanna like not talk about them necessarily. So 1950 Bowman, O Graham, rookie, I, you know, Otto Graham is another quarterback, right? That doesn't, I think get as much love as he really should.

SPEAKER 1: This card to me, this card will get in. It's just when, right. I don't think there's any doubt. It's just. What year does it happen? Your thoughts is, could this be the year or might, might have to wait, to, another induction? I, I think this is the year.

SPEAKER 5: Probably for this 1.

SPEAKER 5: 50 Bowman is a pretty cool, he's a big time winner. I, you know, I don't know why he gets, he doesn't get full credit in the hobby. I don't wanna say discredited, but he doesn't quite get full credit in the hobby.

SPEAKER 5: Consistent NFL champion. Obviously, he had a whole host of stars around him because there's lots of Hall Of Famers from those Browns teams. But, big guy in the, in the trajectory of the game and the forward pass, et cetera. So I think it gets in this year.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, I would agree with Bart. I think he just finished outside the top 10 last year. Maybe he was top 15 overall, so he has a good shot to get in this time around.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. I agree.

SPEAKER 1: All right, the last slide and the last two cards that were on that slide guys.

SPEAKER 1: 1951 Bowman, Tom Landry Rookie, 1952. Bowman large, Frank Gifford rookie, almost like the auto gram. I kind of look at, these guys, these cards are getting overshadowed by a great list that you guys put together like last year.

SPEAKER 1: No one will argue that these cards, eventually will wind up in the football card. Hall Of Fame, Landry known, you know, a lot of people don't even realize he played for the New York Giants.

SPEAKER 1: Just know him as the, you know, the fedora wearing, Cowboys, legendary coach, and Frank Gifford, one of the greatest players to, to do it and then game more known, I think, for the broadcasting and then, being Kathie Lee's husband, later on in, in life too, for, I don't think sometimes people lose sight that, how great they were, as, as players as well as for what they did post career.

SPEAKER 1: So I look at these sort of similar to the Otto Graham Carter. These are no doubters that will, will eventually be in, short of your odds, as, as nonvoters, to how you see this, this year.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, two great cards.

SPEAKER 5: It helps your hobby, staying power by playing in New York for sure. And then as you said, they stayed in relevancy through football for many, many years to come and that's very helpful as well. And then, you know, perk of the Giants uniforms but bold colors. And so 51 and 52 of those cards have very bold colors of the uniform, red, white and blue with the borders and everything else. So great looking cards, great poses.

SPEAKER 5: And so they do, they are strong candidates. I think the Landry is gonna be closer. I think the Giffords might be a little bit more distant but very good cards and I would not be upset if they got in.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I'd expect him in on this ballot, maybe towards the bottom or maybe in the next year.

SPEAKER 6: But I think I agree with Bart and that, I think the Landry maybe gets in before the Gifford. But just speaking about those early Bowman sets in general, they're just beautiful cards. Even the 50 Bowman, 5152. If you just want to look at some super artsy football cards. Those are the sets to look at. I'm just a big fan of all, all of those years there in the early fifties for Bowman Clip Judge.

SPEAKER 1: You men, you mentioned some of the cards that just missed last year that you sort of expect, to get in or have a good shot at getting in, this year. The reverse, of that, question is there some that just missed last year that you think o off the top of your head might have a little drop just based on some of the new cards and, and that sort of thing. Does anything stand out?

SPEAKER 5: I, I think those, you know, again, because we're only on the second class, I think that, you know, numbers 11 pretty strong. And so if they were strong in that first year's ballot, they're gonna, they're gonna stay that way. I think We'Ll have that issue in another year or two, where you'll see some larger fluctuations, you know, just based on the popularity of the time and, you know, whatever gets introduced.

SPEAKER 5: But I think for this year it'll probably stay pretty consistent.

SPEAKER 4: Just to, spin off of that guys. I, I have the list in front of me that were just missed out last year.

SPEAKER 4: For 11, it was the 50 Bowman, Otto Graham, 55 tops all-American Jim Thorpe, 89 score, Barry Sanders, 2000 playoff contenders, Tom Brady 48 Leaf Sammy Ball, Gal, Gail Sayers Rookie Bradshaw. These were just outside the cusp.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting too. Ray, it's a, a good point but to see how, you know, I don't think all the ones you mentioned will necessarily get in this year. But it'd be interesting to see what percentage of them, do, obviously when new candidates are on the board, that's gonna, that's gonna be a factor as well.

SPEAKER 1: So We'Ll see how that goes. Do you guys, do you, I kinda, I, I expect the answer to this but I'll still ask the question. Do you expect, you, you know, you guys have, have gained momentum with this piggybacking off, the baseball, version of it. Do you expect more voter turnout? Is, does this sound like a political show here? But do you expect, do you expect more voter turnout at the polls? In this second? Go around? Sure.

SPEAKER 5: We hope so. I'd like to think we did pretty well that first year. So, you know, we're not chasing numbers and things, but we do want enough votes to, you know, create the disparity where it's a, you know, a clear t, you know, number one through 10 for the given year and things like that.

SPEAKER 5: And, you know, while we're not counting votes, it shows that we are doing our part and, and getting the hobby out to votes and continuing, you know, to cultivate the community and stuff like that. So that's, we are looking for that piece of it and votes are kind of just the, the piece that shows us some of that.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I think it's gonna continue to grow. Last year we had 316 votes, which for a first year was really, really good. And, I haven't checked lately what we're at right now.

SPEAKER 4: But I, you know, I think with the, the sport, you know, with this hobby growing in all aspects, I think football and other sports are gonna continue to, for other people to look at, not just baseball cards. So, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to say, I'm hoping that it continues to grow. I think it will.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. No, it, I, I think it will too. You know, that's why I, I'll do this show and I gotta do a better job, like, just kind of baking it into schedule and, and, and connecting with you guys. So we can just have it scheduled weeks in advance and we can do a little bit more sort of prep promo.

SPEAKER 1: Jim, has been, instrumental too and, and in talking about it and, and, and, and having, some of you guys on. So that's definitely gonna, help as well. I think it'll, it'll slowly, like a snowball going downhill, it'll start to get, bigger and bigger and, and as, as you do these and, you know, and then add maybe other sports, like you mentioned, Ray, as Well, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER 4: Definitely.

SPEAKER 1: Well, guys, so listen, what these guys do, you know it while it's fun, I'm sure you guys are having fun with it. There's also some work involved, right? You've got to do your research and, and do your due diligence. So the best thing you can do for their, their, their hard work right is go to the ballot and cast your vote for your 10 favorite cards.

SPEAKER 1: I will tell you one of the cards. I did vote, you know, one of them is Ernie Davis. I won't tell you the other night but you, you know, you might be able to read, I will say this. I will tell you one card I didn't vote for and we talked about it. I did not vote for the Terry Bradshaw even the that.

SPEAKER 1: Oh yeah. And, and the reason I'm saying that is just that to show you, you know, I'm, I'm trying to vote with my head and, and not just cause or appears on a car. So, I, I didn't vote for Bradshaw. I voted for Ernie Davis and nine other cards as well.

SPEAKER 1: You should pick your 10, and reward these guys for, for their efforts and putting in the work, re I know you've put it in the chat but I'll put it on the episode notes as well. This will come out if you're watching us live. This will be out tomorrow morning in podcast only form if you're listening to us, in that respect, thank you as well. And you folks please go out and vote.

SPEAKER 4: And the voting ends on the, the November November February 6Th, is when the voting ends and the Bar and Scott will come out and do the, and the, to show who got elected on the day before the Super Bowl, which would be Saturday, February 9th.

SPEAKER 4: And yeah, make sure will go out to the sports Car Hall Of Fame Network, YouTube channel and you'll see the, the video there and the link there to vote, tell everybody and you know, stay tuned, voting ends on February 6th. So, and thanks to, you know, Mike this baseball card life.

SPEAKER 4: He does a lot of hard work and Victor the rookie card specialist for getting the word out. Bart and Scott, the five of us together, you know, are making this thing grow and we're having a lot of fun and get out and vote.

SPEAKER 1: Well, Bradshaw got at least one vote from Orlando.

SPEAKER 1: All right. But yeah, listen, I can't argue. Listen, he's a, he's a Hall Of Famer, you know, like we talked about.

SPEAKER 1: Well, thanks guys, man. Continued success. Thank you for, for the work you put in it. We get the fun part. We just get to vote for the 10 cards. We wanna see get in, we, we have the easy part of it but like I said, I hope to continue doing these shows and, and, and promoting this and getting the word out there. Being even a very small part of what you're doing. So thanks guys. Thank you. Thanks John.

SPEAKER 1: If you Yeah, you're welcome. If, if you're listening to this on the audio side only and you want to know where to go to vote. The link is in the show notes. Just click on that boom, you're there, pick your 10 cards and you, you, you know, you, like they say in real politics, you can't complain about the hobby if you don't participate. So if you don't vote, you can't complain. Then there you go.

SPEAKER 1: All right guys. Thanks and be interesting. You got about a week left to vote and We'Ll see, then we can debate who should have made it and who shouldn't have made it like we do with the Real Hall Of Fames, and all that fun stuff. So again, thanks guys.

SPEAKER 4: Thank you.

SPEAKER 6: Thank you.