Dec. 15, 2025

'What do I look for in a Vintage Card?(and also modern too) Hobby Quick Hits E218

'What do I look for in a Vintage Card?(and also modern too) Hobby Quick Hits E218
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I love buying vintage but when buying a single card what do I look for, what aspect of the card's condition is the most important and what can I give a pass on. What aspect is a deal breaker...


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Hobby, not Quick Hits, delivering that breaking hobby newstarloaders.

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You want to know those hot Josh card shopshop.

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You've got your copy, your host John new name name, Hello, everybody,

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Welcome to Episode to eighteen of Hobby Quick Hits. Today's

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episode deals with what do I look for when I

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buy a vintage card? And I get asked out a

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lot because I, you know, doing the SGC folks subbing,

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I often get asked that, like, what do you look

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for when you're buying a card, whether you're grading it

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or not? Like, what, uh, what are the first things

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you noticed? What can you give a pass on? What

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can you not give a pass on? What's the deal breaker?

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So I'll be talking about that today because it's again

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it's a question I get quite often, and beauty's in

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the eevy beholder right that different people may answer that

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in different ways. Centering might be bigger to one than

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the corners to another. Surface may be a huge deal

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to one and not a big deal to somebody else.

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So again, there's no right answers here. I'm only sharing

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sort of my approach when buying vintage cards and even

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even graded ones. Right when I look at a graded card.

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Sure it's got a grade, right, but no, no, two

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graded cards look exactly alike. So where do I put

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the emphasis?

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Right?

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So that's what the show is going to be talking

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about the topic, and we're gonna I'll get into a

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little bit even with modern and ultra modern there, you know,

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kind of my theory on the difference between a nine

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and a ten, which is not as much as you

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would think the prices are, but maybe the appearance isn't.

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So that's what we're tackling today, going over some news

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product release schedule as well. So with that being said,

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let's hear from our great sponsor, the Sports Card Shop

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at Moco, and then we'll get the show started.

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Okay, Now, a quick word from our great sponsor, followed

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by the new product release schedule. Then we'll go around

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the hobby verse to tell you all the latest hobby

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happenings and news. Then we'll tackle today's topic of discussion.

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All right, let's get into the new product release schedule

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for the next couple weeks. It's the Christmas season as well,

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so maybe some of these products will be under your

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tree or someone else's treated that you were nice enough

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to have Santa bring it to them. Let's start with

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the seventeenth These are all December seventeenth releases. Twenty twenty five.

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Pinnini National Treasures Racing twenty twenty six, Sage Football Low Series,

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Blaster and Hobbies twenty twenty five, Tops Cosmic Chrome Baseball

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twenty twenty five, Tops Chrome Update Series Baseball, Megas twenty

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twenty five, Tops Heritage High Number Baseball twenty twenty four,

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twenty five Upper deck ingrained ke In Icons Hockey. Let's

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go to the following day, the eighteenth of December twenty

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twenty five, twenty six Tops Chrome, Basketball, Blasters, Breakers, Delight, Hobby,

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Jumbos and Megas. Same day, the eighteenth, twenty twenty five

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Tops Chrome Let Boo Boo tenth Anniversary. Don't ask Me,

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I Have No Idea twenty twenty four, twenty five Tops

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HUIFA Champions League, Definitive Soccer. Let's go to the nineteenth

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now twenty twenty five Metal Authentics Volume two, twenty twenty five,

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Panini National Treasures Collegiate Football twenty twenty four, twenty five

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Tops YUWIFA Club Competitions, Merlin Chrome Soccer, Hobby and Breakers, Delight, Yugi, Oh,

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Phantom Revenge twenty twenty five, Panini Rookie and Stars Football

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Moving now to the twenty third of December twenty twenty five.

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Panini Impeccable w NBA twenty twenty five, Tops, Marvel Studios, Chrome,

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Blasters and Breakers, Delights, Christmasy Brings You a Few Products

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twenty twenty five, Panini Flawless Baseball twenty twenty five, Panini

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Prism Racing twenty twenty five posts, Stratos Baseball Hobby heat Seekers,

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Day After Christmas twenty twenty five Leaf Eclectic Signature series

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Football Hobby and Mythical versions Same Day twenty six, twenty

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twenty five Leaf Red Carpet d twenty ninth brings you

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twenty twenty five Tops five Star Baseball. The thirtieth will

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bring you twenty twenty five on ex Vintage football, Hobbies

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and Megas, twenty twenty five Tops Star Wars Hyperspace, twenty

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twenty four, twenty five Tops YUIFA Club Competitions, Merlin Chrome

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Soccer Blaster also same product but museum collection, hat trick

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and Hobby and last couple here closing out the last

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day of December to thirty first, twenty twenty five Historic

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Autographs President of the United States, the White House in

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twenty twenty four to twenty five Tops UIFA Club Competition, Inceptions,

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Soccer Lots of products. There are almost thirty to be

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exact for your ripping pleasures. They choose wisely. Happy ripping.

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Let's go round the hobby verse and catch up on

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this week's hobby news.

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And find out all right.

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Let's start with a big sale of a single car.

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The twenty of twenty the two thousand and three Exquisite

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Emblems of Endorsements Kobe Bryant PSA eight number to fifteen,

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but numbered eight to fifteen his jersey number just sold

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with buyer's premium for one point two two million dollars,

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a record for that car. Speaking of record sales, there's

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a new babblehead Champion of twenty twenty five. It was

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the New Pope, hailing from Chicago. But move over, hope.

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Another person from the Midwest, the National Bibblehead Hall of Fame,

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who produces a lot of these bibbleheads, released a Indiana

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football coach Kurt Signetti, sold out quicker than the Pope,

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which sold out pretty fast in its own right, and

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so much so they actually did something they normally don't do.

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They made a second printing a second edition. Another reason

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they made that second edition is coach Signetti has putting

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all his proceeds from the Bibblehead donating him to the

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Riley's Children's Hospital I believe of Indiana. So very cool

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on coach Signetti. Right, we just got some crazy coach

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Midwest coach news. Right, let's talk about a good story.

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So good on you, coach signetti, all proceeds going to

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the Riley's Children's Hospital on his bibblehead those available from

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the National bibble Ahead Hall of Fame. Let's talk about

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some exclusive signings. Starting in F one F one Superstar

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Max for staffing signing a e commerce global deal with Fanatics.

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He'll have his own run website run by Fanatics, which

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will feature his autos, relics, race gear, inscriptions and things

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of those. Ilk exclusive deal with Fanatics.

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Another one another one.

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Ikon Shop Limited of the UK is extending their longtime

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twenty plus year deal with Lino Messi. They're just extending

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it his exclusive autograph deal. But they announced that they'll

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be using something called triple lock technology, and this is

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pretty cool. I read up on it. It's like your

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name says, triple lock. Three verifications right the item itself

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and the co we'll have matching tamper proof holograms. There'll

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be an actual photo of each item that's being signed

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that will correspond with the item you purchase. And every

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item will have an NFC chip embedded it inside it

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which can be scanned by a phone and give all

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the pertinent information. So maybe we'll see more deck technology,

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especially with all the scandals that's coming out with with

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forgeries and autographed items. Another one one more signing. Upper Deck,

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as we know, does mainly hockey, not only hockey, but

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mainly hockey, had a deal with the Canadian you know,

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a hockey team juniors. Now it extends. For the first

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time ever, they've signed a long term deal with the

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USA Hockey Young junior juniors. So we'll start seeing products

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with the USA junior hockey team pretty quickly. Here no

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details given, but just phrased as a long term deal.

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And I just think that good on Upper Deck right

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there at American Company. And now they have the USA

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Hockey under contract. Speaking of new deals, right there's gonna

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be a new show on the Major League Baseball Network,

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a channel I watch quite a bit of Sundays every Sunday,

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a thirty minute program with longtime hosts Greg Amsinger. It's

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gonna be called Pack in Time. Now. It's not really

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a hobby show per se, and it's sort of a

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manufactured hobby show. But each episode he will have a

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stack of cards and he will pick a card from

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that stack to reveal who he is interviewing on that

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week's episode. So it's not random. That would been cool

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if that could have been done some way, But there

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is a baseball card tie in. One of the things

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with the show is no Hall of famers. These will

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all be non Hall of Fame players, kind of a

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where are they now and checking back in with them.

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I know Shewan Dunstan is one of the first ones

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they are doing. Congratulations to one of our show guests,

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alumnus Ray Shutte, has a new title formerly of the

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National Fame and others. He did stop before the National.

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He is now working with the Front Row Card Show

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to kind of build that juggernaut up as they expand

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their operations. So congrats to Ray. I'll reach out to

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him to personally do that, but I wanted to announce

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that here. Speaking of the National, let's finish with a

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little National news. They announced there'll be one hundred and

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fifty more dealer tables at this year's National. Some will

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be on the main floor and others will be If

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you remember from last year on that second floor expansion,

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it was pretty tight in there last year. When I

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think they are going to open that up a little

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bit more, or at least we can only hope. So

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that's the news and let's get back to the program.

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And now, all right, let's get into the topic at hand, Right,

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what do I look for when I buy cards, you know,

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especially PC, right vintage cards for my PC, whether it

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be a Jackie you know, I collect Hall of Fame

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rookie cards.

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I tend to buy them.

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Already graded, truth be told, but that's not one hundred

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percent across the board. I do buy cards raw that

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are going into my PC, and then grade in myself

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as well. So I do I do both. I buy

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them already graded. I buy them raw and then get

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them graded. And that's interesting too, buying them raw, because

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I'm trying to obviously buy the best looking raw cards

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to get the best potential grade. And obviously there's a

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budget involved, right, I don't have a a endless amount

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of bank account, right, So I got to be I

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don't want to say strategic, but I got to be

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smart about how I go about that, right.

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And whenever you.

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Buy a raw card, especially you know, with the intent

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to grade it, right, there's you can lose potentially there. Now, generally,

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when I buy a raw card degrade, it's usually for

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my PC. So that loss is what it is, right,

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I don't want to say I'm not worried about it,

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but it's a little bit different than if I was

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buying it to resale and be upside down.

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And so you kind of.

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You know, when you look at a rack car to

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what I do is I always try to you know,

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I'm not a grader, but I've done grading enough doing

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the bulk something.

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I've kind of got a knack for looking at.

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A raw card and maybe sort of assessing it with

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what grade I think it is around right, and then,

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knowing what that would go for already graded, try to,

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you know, bargain the price based on that. Again, there's

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no guarantees. I may say, man, that looks like a

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four or five, purchase it and it gets a three

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right or three and a half or you know, again

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there's no guarantees in this hobby, as we all know.

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So you've got to, you know, you got to put

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your own assessments on it. I'm fairly accurate, but no

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one's perfect. And again grading is sub subjective to begin with.

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So how many times, right do someone crack a four

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out and it comes back a five right, or someone

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crack out of five? I think it's even high and

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then it comes back before and they lose. Right, it's

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all subjective. It's hate to say like this. It's almost

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like a game. It's almost like a lottery ticket. But

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if you do it long enough, you sort of can

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assess a card in your own mind at least sort

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of get a little target range of what grade you

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think it does fall into. And you know, it's funny

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doing the bolk selling. People will come up to my

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table and ask me, you know, what do you think

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this will get when I sub it with and I said, listen,

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I'll give you my opinion, but it's not it's not

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the NLB all. I'm not the greater, and don't hold

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me to it. If it grades lower, don't hate me.

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And if it grades higher, good for you, right, And

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so I usually will give my opinion, and a lot

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of times it's funny when they come back. I've always

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forget I'm dealing with so many cards, But that person

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a lot of times will say, John, you're pretty spot on,

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are pretty close. So again comes with experience and just

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kind of knowing what they look for when it comes

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to grade folks too. And I don't want to make

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this whole topic about grading because it's not. But remember

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they're looking under minimum ten ten times magnification, so you

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should be doing really the same. All right, let's so

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what do I look for? You know, what are my

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You know, we all hear I appeal, right, and that

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goes almost goes without saying, right, A card can look

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better than its actual grade. And I have a Jackie

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Robinson rookie that fits that bill. I have a Hank

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Aaron Rookie that fits that bill that you know, the

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Jackies one and a half the Aaron's three and a half.

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They both look if you've seen them, and maybe you

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know you're one of the folks that have. But anyone

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that sees them said, man, those you should resubmit them

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because we think those would get higher grades. Right, not

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going to do it, most likely, But that's what I appeal.

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Kind of that epitomizes what I is about. Some that

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looks better than the grade is.

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And I appeal. I'm in with grading, right.

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I appeal is not so much a raw card because

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it's not graded yet, and it is what it is. Right,

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So when I look at a card, right, what do

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I when I look at a raw card, what, what's

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kind of a deal break I get. I asked that, like,

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what do you look at and say that's I'm out right?

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And to me, centering is one of the first things

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I noticed. If something's really not centered very well, you know,

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that's that's gonna. I don't want to say, turn me off.

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I guess maybe that is the best way to say it.

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I'm sort of gonna be already sort of down. Uh

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you know, more so obviously on the front, but even

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even the back, right, especially if the back is really

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off center, that's that's a deal breaker. Now does that

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mean I won't buy it? Uh No, not necessarily. It

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just means what I might pay for it. That that

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number just got a lot lower. But there are cards

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that the centering has. Like I was interested, I got

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a closer look, and then I'm like, I don't think

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I want to do it. So centering is probably the

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first one, you know. Number two surface for me too.

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I don't like missing paper, you know, I like to

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be able to you know, when it comes to card backs,

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especially on the vintage card, I like to read that

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bio or the words on the back. Right, I don't

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want to even though we may know who the player is, right,

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I don't want a missing name on the back. You know,

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I really don't like paper loss unless it's a really fine,

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little small piece, maybe on the corners, around the edges,

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but if it's in the middle of the card, especially

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on the front and even the back, right where it

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affects the wording and you can't read it read the

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whole thing, that's that one hurts too for me. So surface,

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you know, will go centering surface creases, right, I don't mind,

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especially obviously on vintage cards, but I don't mind a

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small crease. I'd rather have a surface wrinkle in case

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for those that don't know. And I do get asked this,

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so I know not everyone does know. I apologize if

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you know, and you're like, John, thanks for telling me something.

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I know. But what's the difference between a surface wrinkle

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and a crease. It's pretty simple. A crease goes through

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the front and back. It's parallel. So wherever the crease

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is you turn it over, you can see it on

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the back. A surface wrinkle, you'll see it on one side.

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And not the other.

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And that could be on the back too. You could

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have a surface wrinkle on the back. It doesn't go

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through the front. And vice versa. Could be on the front,

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doesn't go through the back. Obviously, the lesser of two

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evils the surface wrinkle. Rather have that than a crease.

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A crease is not a deal breaker unless it's just

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a bunch of them. Also, where the crease piers right,

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especially if there's just one.

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Where is it?

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Is it right in the middle of the card, like

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the card was like almost folded in half. Is it

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towards the edges the border? That has a lot to

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do it. Obviously, the more in focus the decrease is,

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like the main part of the card, the more of

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a deal breaker it might be for me. If it's

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towards the edges or bottoms. You know, you may not

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like it, but I might be able to say, you

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know what, I'm okay with that. That's not a deal

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breaker for me. And probably my last one that is

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my least bother some is corners. Right with vintage cards,

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obviously we all want the sharpest corners we can get, right,

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but you're gonna pay for those as well. Right corners

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don't bother me too much. And it's probably when I

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talk about my Jackie Rookie, which was my rail card,

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it's it's probably what brought.

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The grade down. Right.

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The corners are not sharp, they're not crushed either, not terrible,

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but they're not They're not very good either. But the

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rest of the card presents very well. So that's you know,

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Sometimes you got to decide what the trade offs you're

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willing to make. It's like buying a card, like I

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need the heated seats, but I don't need the sunroof, right,

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I need the sunroof. I'm not worried about the heated seats.

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I live in Florida, you know, not me, but you

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know so whatever, you know, whatever you deem is is

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something you can't ignore or you need. It works like

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that in cards as well, not just cards. I know,

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I gave you a car analogy there, so for corners,

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for me, is probably my least deal breaker. Now, if

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it looks like a wheel that you could put on

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your car and use as a spare until you get

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a regular tire, you know that that would obviously be

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a deal break.

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But if it's just.

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A little rounding, a little frayed, and it doesn't really

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affect the provenance of the rest of the card or

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the main you know, picture, then I can sort of

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give it a pass. Right, color we're talking about you're

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going back to the surface, right, color is huge, But

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you know many of these cards are over one hundred

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years old, eighty years old, sixty years old. When we're

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talking vintage, right, I don't mind a little fading, right,

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It's going to happen. It's going to continue to happen.

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Quite frankly, the cards are always deteriorating in some form

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of fashion. Obviously, if it's encased in a slab as

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a graded specimen, that the deterioration is going to be

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slower than something that's raw and out taking you know,

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sunlight and other forms of light that might break down

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some of those materials. But a little fadie, don't bother me.

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But if it looks whitewashed, yeah, that's going to be

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you know, a deal breaker as well. Well. To me,

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it doesn't have to be perfect color, but it's it's

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it can't be too bad as well. What about snow, right,

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Prince snow. I know I have a buddy of mine

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that hates that he won't look at any card that

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has any print snow, and I always have this little

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I don't want to say argument, but a little debate

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with him, like it's so hard some some partcipit cards.

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It's hard to find cards without that prince snow right

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or those pixel dots. Like one of the first ones

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that I think of is the sixty ass rookie. Right,

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great card, not a crazy expensive card, but you know,

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a lot of them have those black dots and almost,

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you know, almost kind of is part of the card, right.

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Every once in a while you see one that doesn't.

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But with my buddy's theory, he won't even look at

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that card. If it has that, you're eliminating about eighty

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percent of the as rookies by doing them. Obviously, if

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it's excessive, yes, but most of them have it. It's

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just to what degree. So a little bit of that

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isn't a deal breaker for me. Maybe a lot is.

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I guess it depends on the card. Where that Prince

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snow form, you know, is on the card. Again, you know,

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when we look at a card, right, where do our

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eyes just naturally go, as humans, right to the picture

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on the front of the card. So that's the first

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thing we're going to look at, and then we're going

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to work out from there. And again I'm just talking

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about the front here first, right, We're going to look

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at that main body of the card, and then we're

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going to work out from there. So the less defects

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or flaws in that main body of the card, the

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more I'm obviously going to be entered. Again, that's just me.

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There's some people that you know, might say otherwise they're different.

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Right.

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Again, there's no right answers here. I'm just kind of

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sharing my takes on what I look for when it

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comes to buying vintage cards. So Prince Snow not a

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huge deal breaker to me unless it's really bad. You know,

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paper loss is corners. I probably give the biggest pass

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on centering is one of the first things I look at.

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I don't like a real off centered card or even

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you know, I don't want to say real. Not too

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many people like a real off centered card. But I'm

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a little more of a stickler, I would say, on

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the centering than some of the other things characteristics that

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we talked about. So, you know, I get asked a

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lot do you ever buy graded cards? And then with

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the purpose like that's undergraded and break them out, And

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the answer is really no. I've done grading or been

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involved in some facet of grading, whether it's grading my

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own cards or being a bolkesover for thirty years. They've

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been a bulksiver now working on three years. But I

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graded my first card thirty years ago, and maybe longer.

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I don't even know anymore.

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But you know, when it comes to break, I've broken

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out two cards in my whole life. Maybe that makes

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me on the lower end of the spectrum. I don't know,

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but it's only been two cards. Could that number be higher?

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For sure?

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I've been told some you know, some of my personal collection. John,

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I'd resend that doesn't mean I'll do it, but I've

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heard that on more than one occasion. So I've only

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actually done it twice. And frankly, the two cards I

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did it too weren't even PC cards. They were actually

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cards for my show inventory that I really thought were undergraded.

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And you know, full disclosure, I was right on one

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and I was wrong on one. So the two times

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I've done it, one time I got a higher grade,

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one time I got the same grade. So again, nobody

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is you know, going to be one hundred percent myself

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obviously included how about modern cards, right, modern ultramartin right?

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Obviously most of these are coming out of packs. That

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doesn't mean they're coming out of the packs. J meant

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we all know that this quality control can be a

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lost art sometimes. You know, when I buy modern and

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ultramodern card, I'm not looking at him with a fine

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tooth comb or even magnification. I'm looking at him with

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the naked eye. If something you know to me, if

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you can see something with the naked eye on a

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modern ultramodern card, right, there's your answer, right, probably not

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purchase that because you know I'm fine with a nine

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or ten on a modern card. I know that people

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will turn on their mic and tell you it's ten

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or bus right. I'm not that guy. An eight and

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eight is definitely hurts.

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Right on a modern ultramont card.

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But nine, even an eight and a half I don't hate.

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I don't love either, but a nine or ten is

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what I strive for on a modern ultra modern card.

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And do yourself a favor. Think if you have a

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nine and a ten of the same card, put them

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next to each other, right, Or if you're at a

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show and the dealer has version of each of the

463
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same card, put them next to each other. And honestly

464
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.519
they're not gonna look and nine times out of ten,

465
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:13.160
no pun intended, those two versions are not going to

466
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:18.680
look that much difficult, much different from each other, with

467
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.480
the with the main exception at nine is probably gonna

468
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.880
cost you significantly less than the ten. And how you

469
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.359
know I know a guy not something I do, but

470
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.559
I have another acquaintance that I know he loves going

471
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.079
around and buying nines that you know he looks at

472
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.440
him first of cards. He's interested with the sole purpose

473
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.640
of cracking them and re sending them, hoping to make

474
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.599
them tens, right, And I asked him. I saw him

475
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:46.839
at the show a couple of weeks ago, and I

476
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.440
asked him, like, what is your you know, knowing what

477
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.880
he's doing, I'm like, what is your What is your

478
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.599
success rate with the nine you're buying that you turned

479
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.960
into tens? And he told me about sixty five percent?

480
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.480
So thirty five you know, I'm sure, I asked him.

481
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:04.799
He goes, yeah, I kind of keep track. It's not

482
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.319
exact science, but around that success rate. He goes, he

483
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.279
has to be around that rate to you know, be

484
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.119
profitable to come out ahead anything. He said, anything lower

485
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.839
than really sixty percent, it's not worth the money he's

486
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.799
spending to do it. So he says he's very picky,

487
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.759
like he doesn't buy obviously, every nine he asks to

488
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.160
see it, and he's looking at it, you know, he

489
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.559
tells me, and I've seen him do this. He has

490
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.920
a little pocket loop and he'll look at that nine,

491
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.039
even though it's already graded. Take out that pocket loop

492
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.039
magnification and look at that nine through the slab with

493
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.200
the intent like, hey, can I make this a tent?

494
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:50.240
I think most dealers who he buys from, myself included,

495
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.279
I know what he does, or pretty much even if

496
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.319
he doesn't tell him, they could probably figure it out.

497
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.640
You know, it's not rocket science.

498
00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.759
And here he.

499
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:04.039
Said, as he bats about sixty five percent turning those

500
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.799
in the tents, he's told me he's bought a couple

501
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.559
of my nines and where he was successful. And so

502
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.599
you know, someone would ask, does that make you feel

503
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.880
bad now? Because I don't. I don't really crack and resubmit.

504
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:21.200
I just told you I only do that with two cards. So, uh,

505
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.680
he puts in the work, he should reap the rewards,

506
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:26.839
right if I wanted to do that, I, frankly, I

507
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.160
don't have the time to really uh do that kind

508
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.160
of stuff, but he does, uh, and awesome for him

509
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.039
and glad, you know, glad he did well with with

510
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.839
a couple of purchases from me, and you know, hopefully

511
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.200
you come back knowing that's the case and buy some more.

512
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.240
And I, you know, I see him not necessarily every show,

513
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:51.519
but he does come back and sometimes we uh you know,

514
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:56.119
could make a sale. So he's not the only person

515
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.000
that does. I think we all know him. Maybe you

516
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.160
do that listening uh to this podcasts and not wrong

517
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.640
with that right to each their own. And he's done

518
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.480
well with it. And and he told me not every

519
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.960
card he does that with is for resale. Some of

520
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.200
it are just PC cards he likes as well, but

521
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.119
he wants him only in tens rather than nine, so

522
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.599
he kind of you know, it's like a lottery ticketing

523
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:23.960
and scratches it with that basis, uh in mind. So

524
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.200
so there you go. So uh, you know again, beauty

525
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.640
is in the eye of the beholder. What what might

526
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.200
be a deal breaker for you might not be a

527
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:35.039
deal breaker for someone else. You know, I say, corners

528
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.960
aren't a deal breaker for me, maybe for you listening

529
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.680
You're like man, I you know, corners is the first

530
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.079
thing I noticed, and I don't want I don't want

531
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.279
bad ones, right, and you're not wrong and I'm not wrong, right,

532
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.400
it's it's it's beauty's in the eye again of the beholder.

533
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.039
So uh so I thought i'd share kind of what

534
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.319
I do, my approach, uh and that sort of thing.

535
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.519
And again they're you know, card collecting, sort of like fingerprints,

536
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.480
and no two people do it exactly the same. So

537
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.839
I hope you enjoyed the episode. We're gonna wrap it up.

538
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.920
Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.